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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-manhunt-los-angeles_n_2638023.html?ncid=webmail2
LOS ANGELES — An ex-Los Angeles police officer who authorities say went on a deadly shooting rampage to punish those he blamed for his firing killed three people, setting off a manhunt that stirred fear across several states and Mexico.
The search for Christopher Dorner focused late Thursday on Big Bear Lake, about 80 miles east of Los Angeles, where police found a burned-out pickup truck that belonged to Christopher Dorner. San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said officers were going door to door looking for him.
Throughout the day, thousands of heavily armed officers patrolled highways in the state, while some stood guard outside the homes of people police say Dorner vowed to attack in an angry rant posted online. Electronic billboards that usually alert motorists about the commute urged them to call 911 if they saw him.
"I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" to Los Angeles Police Department officers, on or off duty, said the manifesto. It also asserted: "Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That's what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name."
Dorner, 33, had multiple weapons including an assault rifle, said Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck, who urged him to surrender at an unusual press conference in an underground room at police headquarters where there was more security than normal.
"Of course he knows what he's doing, we trained him. He was also a member of the Armed Forces," he said. "It is extremely worrisome and scary."
The nearly 10,000-member LAPD dispatched some of its officers to protect more than 40 potential targets across the region on Thursday. The department also pulled officers from motorcycle duty, fearing they would make for easy targets.
"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours," the manifesto said.
At one point, officers guarding one location mistakenly opened fire on a pickup truck believing it matched the description of Dorner's dark colored 2005 Nissan Titan, injuring two innocent occupants.
The chief said there had been a "night of extreme tragedy in the Los Angeles area" and that the department was taking measures to ensure the safety of officers and their families.
The search for Dorner, who was fired from the LAPD in 2008 for making false statements, began after he was linked to a weekend killing in which one of the victims was the daughter of a former police captain who had represented him during the disciplinary hearing.
Monica Quan and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, were found shot in their car at a parking structure at their condominium on Sunday in Irvine. Quan, 28, was an assistant women's basketball coach at Cal State Fullerton. Lawrence, 27, was a public safety officer at the University of Southern California.
Police said Dorner implicated himself in the couple's killings in the manifesto posted on Facebook. They believe he wrote it because there were details in it only he would know.
In the post, Dorner wrote that he knew he would be vilified by the LAPD and the news media, but that "unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."
Dorner was with the LAPD from 2005 until 2008, when he was fired for making false statements.
Quan's father, a former LAPD captain who became a lawyer in retirement, represented Dorner in front of the Board of Rights, a tribunal that ruled against Dorner, police said. Randal Quan retired in 2002 and later served as chief of police at Cal Poly Pomona before he started practicing law. Quan did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
According to documents from a court of appeals hearing in October 2011, Dorner was fired from the LAPD after he made a complaint against his field training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans. Dorner said that in the course of an arrest, Evans kicked suspect Christopher Gettler, a schizophrenic with severe dementia.
Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice in the chest by a police officer.
After his dismissal, Dorner said in his online rant that he lost everything, including his relationships with his mother, sister and close friends.
"Self-preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago," the manifesto. "I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that."
Dorner said he would use all of his training to avoid capture and track his targets.
In addition to police work, Dorner served in the Naval Reserves, earning a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal. He served in a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, according to military records, and took a leave from the LAPD and deployed to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007.
"I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordinance and survival training I've been given," the manifesto read. "You have misjudged a sleeping giant."
As officers searched for Dorner, there was a report of a shooting in Corona that involved two LAPD officers working a security detail, police said. A resident pointed out Dorner to the officers who followed until his pickup stopped and the driver got out and fired a rifle at them. A bullet grazed an officer's head.
Later, two officers on routine patrol in neighboring Riverside were ambushed at a stop light by a motorist who drove up next to them and opened fire with a rifle. One died and the other was seriously wounded but was expected to survive, Riverside police Chief Sergio Diaz said.
Diaz said news organizations should withhold the officers' names because the suspect had made clear that he considers police and their families "fair game."
The hunt for Dorner led to two errant shootings in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday.
LAPD officers guarding a "target" named in the posting shot and wounded two women in suburban Torrance who were in a pickup but were not involved, authorities said. Beck said one woman was in stable condition with two gunshot wounds and the other was being released after treatment.
"Tragically we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers," Beck said.
Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner's, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.
In San Diego, where police say Dorner tied up an elderly man and unsuccessfully tried to steal his boat Wednesday night, Naval Base Point Loma was locked down Thursday after a Navy worker reported seeing someone who resembled Dorner.
Navy Cmdr. Brad Fagan said officials don't believe he was on base Thursday but had checked into a base hotel on Tuesday and left the next day without checking out. Numerous agencies guarded the base. Fagan said Dorner was honorably discharged and that his last day in the Navy was last Friday.
Nevada authorities also looked for Dorner because he owns a house nine miles from the Las Vegas Strip, according to authorities and property records.
Chances this'll be made into a "Loosely based on a true story" movie 10 years from now?
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Saw this earlier today. Freaky as hell. Hope they catch him before he does any (further) damage.
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Just learned about this tonight. Fucking crazy! This dude is very clearly unstable and I hope they catch him before he does even more damage to anyone.
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When the guy who's responsible for such acts of murder and violence thinks he's one of the "good people"... Yep... he's insane.
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My grandparents live up in Big Bear, where police found his car. They've been told to stay inside and lock their doors.
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Chances are he's already in a bolt hole and only an act of god will get him out.
Ironbite-man what a mess.
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My grandparents live up in Big Bear, where police found his car. They've been told to stay inside and lock their doors.
My guess is, he had another car up there and he's long gone now, leaving the police on a wild goose chase in the worst possible conditions: nighttime, uneven terrain, tons of trees, snowstorm on the way.
In other news, a couple cops saw a pickup that kinda sorta looked like the suspect's, so they opened fire. Turned out to be two ladies delivering newspapers. They both survived.
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This is a mess and a half... the cops need to quit being so twitchy with the trigger, but at the same time, they know there's a dude out there gunning for them.
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This is a mess and a half... the cops need to quit being so twitchy with the trigger, but at the same time, they know there's a dude out there gunning for them.
Still, you'd expect them to at least remember their training well enough not to open fire based on something as vague as "Dark colored pickup." I see about 20 of those just going to work.
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This is a mess and a half... the cops need to quit being so twitchy with the trigger, but at the same time, they know there's a dude out there gunning for them.
Still, you'd expect them to at least remember their training well enough not to open fire based on something as vague as "Dark colored pickup." I see about 20 of those just going to work.
Then again, it's the fucking L.A.P.D. we're talking about, so who knows?
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My grandparents live up in Big Bear, where police found his car. They've been told to stay inside and lock their doors.
My guess is, he had another car up there and he's long gone now, leaving the police on a wild goose chase in the worst possible conditions: nighttime, uneven terrain, tons of trees, snowstorm on the way.
In other news, a couple cops saw a pickup that kinda sorta looked like the suspect's, so they opened fire. Turned out to be two ladies delivering newspapers. They both survived.
.....there's a snowstorm on it's way to California and the Northeast?
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Actually I can't help but wonder if part of this bastard's plan is to cause so much chaos that innocent people end up dying in the crossfire--like people driving in similar vehicles being shot at. Maybe he's not only trying to kill cops but also trying to spark some horrible police brutality incident to further damage the reputation of the L.A.P.D.
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It looks like he is specifically seeking and killing the family of people involved in his dismissal hearing, but specifically not the officers and people directly involved. This is really sad. Enacting violent vengeance on innocents that have nothing to do with the whole situation.
This is a well trained and dangerous man. I hope they manage to catch him, but I doubt things will go that well, especially with trigger happy cops shooting at innocents.
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Actually I can't help but wonder if part of this bastard's plan is to cause so much chaos that innocent people end up dying in the crossfire--like people driving in similar vehicles being shot at. Maybe he's not only trying to kill cops but also trying to spark some horrible police brutality incident to further damage the reputation of the L.A.P.D.
Not quite sure WHAT his motivations are, but it seems like he has some specific targets he's trying to hit.
I wasn't kidding when I suggested making the story into a movie. You could build an entire thriller off of it: cop gets fired for an unjust reason and his good name slandered by corrupt officers and bureaucrats. Driven mad by rage, he begins systematically murdering those who wronged him and leading the police on a manhunt to stop him before he drives the country into chaos and reveals their secret evils.
Just grab Liam Neeson or Clive Owen and you're set.
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You know, this guy should have watched Falling Down before doing this. I think he'd have a clearer idea of what he should be doing.
That said, LA needs to stop being so trigger happy. It's understandable to a degree since this guy ambushed two groups of cops as is, but it just looks awful when the cops go around shooting at innocent bystanders. You're on a higher pedestal than a mad man, act like it.
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He's also said goodbye (http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/07/lapd-cop-killer-christopher-dorner-tim-tebow-charlie-sheen-larry-david/) to his favorite, and least favorite, celebrities.
EDIT: Oh boy, he shows some pro-gay views and says he watched Django Unchained. Brace yourselves, the right is about to grasp at straws.
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Wow, he put WBC on there. That almost feels strange to hear, coming from someone on a killing spree.
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Wow, he put WBC on there. That almost feels strange to hear, coming from someone on a killing spree.
We can only hope that Fred Phelps is on his list.
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He's also said goodbye (http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/07/lapd-cop-killer-christopher-dorner-tim-tebow-charlie-sheen-larry-david/) to his favorite, and least favorite, celebrities.
EDIT: Oh boy, he shows some pro-gay views and says he watched Django Unchained. Brace yourselves, the right is about to grasp at straws.
Oh boy, don't read the comments. I read made the mistake of reading the first five or so. Here's the first:
Wow, this guy loved Jews, blacks, "gays" and pretty much every sub-group of people who hate white people and Western civilization. Its kind of scary that these kinds of anti-white/anti-Christian bigots are on police forces in America. Whites and Christian Americans need to stand up to (1) protect our gun rights so we can shoot back at racists like Dorner and (2) protect OUR culture from the hollywood filth this guy extols.
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They lost his trail. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/christopher-dorner-manhunt_n_2644294.html?ncid=webmail4)
With bloodhounds in tow, officers went door to door as snow fell, aware to the reality they could be walking into a trap set by the well-trained former Navy reservist who knows their tactics and strategies as well as they do.
"The bad guy is out there, he has a certain time on you, and a distance. How do you close that?" asked T. Gregory Hall, a retired tactical supervisor for a special emergency response team for the Pennsylvania State Police.
"The bottom line is, when he decides that he is going to make a stand, the operators are in great jeopardy," Hall said.
I think they'll be lucky if he decides to just shoot himself off on the wilderness instead of continuing his fight and assassinations to the death.
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They never had his trail to begin with.
I was thinking about this idiot and it really really pains me that he could be seen as the good guy in this. I mean the first thing he did, the very first thing he did, was kill the daughter of the man who defended him at his hearing. This is not a well man and I hope they catch him alive.
Ironbite-be interesting to know why he did this.
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They never had his trail to begin with.
I was thinking about this idiot and it really really pains me that he could be seen as the good guy in this. I mean the first thing he did, the very first thing he did, was kill the daughter of the man who defended him at his hearing. This is not a well man and I hope they catch him alive.
Ironbite-be interesting to know why he did this.
Right now all we can gather is that he thinks he was unjustly fired and wants to "clear his name"...ya know, because massacres are the best way to go about doing that.
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They never had his trail to begin with.
I was thinking about this idiot and it really really pains me that he could be seen as the good guy in this. I mean the first thing he did, the very first thing he did, was kill the daughter of the man who defended him at his hearing. This is not a well man and I hope they catch him alive.
Ironbite-be interesting to know why he did this.
Right now all we can gather is that he thinks he was unjustly fired and wants to "clear his name"...ya know, because massacres are the best way to go about doing that.
It's going to be a very odd comparison, but I'm starting to picture Christian Weston Chandler and the discussion around his own court case here. Hang on, just hear me out.
Go to sonichu.com if you don't know who he is, or hadn't heard about the case. The gist of it is that this man(child) is a complete nutcase, who likes to blame the vague group of "trolls" or a conspiracy theory for all of the misery that he's brought upon himself. Well, in October of 2011 he trespassed in a store he was banned from and he and his mother both ran into the store owner with their van while fleeing the police (they switched seats after he hit the guy, and she hit him again and fled). They were arrested, obviously, and sent to trial.
A forum I was formerly a part of discussed the trial very intently, trying to figure out just what would happen and why it happened, as well as the repercussions and if it would happen again. One common thread that came up was his tendency to blindly throw blame around, accusing anyone who didn't basically bow down and kiss his feet of being part of his fictitious troll conspiracy. People were not only afraid that he'd be angry enough to go farther in the future, but that he would accuse his lawyer of being part of the conspiracy for failing to get him completely off for the charges (as he viewed the store owner he hit as a leader in this conspiracy).
It sounds really fucked up and weird, but that may be the point behind these killings: after his firing, he views ANYONE who may have been responsible for his firing, even in an indirect way that requires insane bends of logic, as part of the cabal to oust him. Even failing to defend him well enough to keep him from getting fired could be interpreted by his batshit insane mind as being intentional.
I wouldn't ordinarily think about this, had there not been some intense discussion last year about a person who very much thought the same things about people and had his own bizarre methods for shifting blame around, and would very realistically be at a risk of harming others because of it.
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Oh, Chris Chan? Yeah, that guy's...disturbed.
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Groups across the internet come in support of the man. (http://www.examiner.com/article/internet-groups-form-support-of-fugitive-ex-cop)
In fact, alot of people I've been across in news stories are saying more positive then negative.
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Oh, Chris Chan? Yeah, that guy's...disturbed.
You think HE'S bad? You should see some of the people who talk about him. Chris is mostly harmless, but some people are really goddamn mean and manipulative.
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Oh, Chris Chan? Yeah, that guy's...disturbed.
You think HE'S bad? You should see some of the people who talk about him. Chris is mostly harmless, but some people are really goddamn mean and manipulative.
Didn't you say he was involved in a hit and run though? And he posted naked drawings of a friend of his online and...well, this probably isn't the correct thread for it. Suffice it to say, he has serious issues and I'm in no way defending trolls.
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Oh, Chris Chan? Yeah, that guy's...disturbed.
You think HE'S bad? You should see some of the people who talk about him. Chris is mostly harmless, but some people are really goddamn mean and manipulative.
Didn't you say he was involved in a hit and run though? And he posted naked drawings of a friend of his online and...well, this probably isn't the correct thread for it. Suffice it to say, he has serious issues and I'm in no way defending trolls.
Not even the trolls. Just some of the people who get involved in discussing him. He just brings out the weirdos of the night, lemme tell ya.
Either way, I spent over a year discussing Chris. The thing about him is that he's mostly harmless, like a child with the privileges of adulthood: he's prone to doing stupid things on a whim, but he's heavily under the grip of his elderly mother and he doesn't even really get out of the house much, and he's scared of punishment. The hit and run's a long story, but it wasn't really a planned action. He's nearly hit people before, but it was usually an almost animalistic panic where he just happened to speed closer to other people than planned. Didn't help that his mother was along with him, and she's REALLY nutso.
What makes this ex-cop the same as Chris is that he seems to be capable of similar twistings of logic, where anyone can be made into his enemy and it's never his fault.
But he's got things that someone like Chris doesn't have: Maliciousness. Knowledge. Equipment. Cold determination, rather than random flailing. An intelligent mind.
He also doesn't seem to be the average mass shooter. Someone who just wants to go on a killing spree will pick a location with a ton of people and just kill until they're done. They may have some specific reason for the targets (the Columbine kids specifically targeted kids who wore sports team clothing, for instance, and there's the classic instances of a bullied kid "snapping" as they usually say), but their preferred method is to just kill almost everyone that crosses their path. Indiscriminately.
This guy not only has a plan, but even in his twisted logic he's got himself a set list of targets. Notice how instead of killing the man who defended him at the hearing (unsuccessfully), he killed his daughter. I think he was doing that intentionally, wanting to cause misery. He's not indiscriminately wandering around a police station shooting as many people as he can. He's very focused.
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Few things are more dangerous than an intelligent criminally insane person.
To those that support him:
He MURDERED people. He is an insane, calculating, death-dealing danger to everyone he comes in contact with.
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Few things are more dangerous than an intelligent criminally insane person.
To those that support him:
He MURDERED people. He is an insane, calculating, death-dealing danger to everyone he comes in contact with.
No matter what crazy, senseless or evil things a person does, there will be those who support that person's actions. Neo-Nazis still support Adolf Hitler, antigovernment survivalists remember Timothy McVeigh fondly, and I've even seen Web sites idolizing Marc Lépine. In short: there is a certain percentage of the populace that is just crazy, stupid and/or evil.
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I know... Just, sometimes I try to cry out to the darkness and/or talk to a brick wall. Could be someone out there shrouded in shadow, or cracks in the brick that let light in.
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Apparently during the recent gun control debates, an LA police chief said that police officers are meant to use their weapons as OFFENSIVE weapons, rather than defensive.
I think those ladies delivering newspapers in a black pickup would be inclined to agree.
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While I think he's a monster I can see to many people this just is a good cop gone bad from all the madness.
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While I think he's a monster I can see to many people this just is a good cop gone bad from all the madness.
I'm just going to suggest that if this is how reacts to things that maybe they were right to give him the boot from the force.
Of course, given the number of 'asshole with a badge' incidents we seem to get, maybe we should look at how they are getting into the force(s) to begin with.
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While I think he's a monster I can see to many people this just is a good cop gone bad from all the madness.
I'm just going to suggest that if this is how reacts to things that maybe they were right to give him the boot from the force.
Of course, given the number of 'asshole with a badge' incidents we seem to get, maybe we should look at how they are getting into the force(s) to begin with.
There's no "morality test" given to police officers. They can quote slogans and creeds all they want, but there's no way to force morality and kindness onto someone who didn't grow up learning it, or isn't able to learn it (like sociopaths). If they can pass the tests, they're in.
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To be fair, corruption in the LAPD is fairly notorious, so there's a chance that he had legitimate grievances.
None of which even remotely excuses the fact that he's killing innocent people.
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They just proved his point about being corrupt by shooting that other car.
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They just proved his point about being corrupt by shooting that other car.
Yyyyyep, that they did.
I'm starting to wonder who's actually the worse danger to the public at the moment -- the crazy man who just shot and killed several people, or the police who are inclined to draw and fire at any similarly-looking vehicle without checking for sure.
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They just proved his point about being corrupt by shooting that other car.
Yyyyyep, that they did.
I'm starting to wonder who's actually the worse danger to the public at the moment -- the crazy man who just shot and killed several people, or the police who are inclined to draw and fire at any similarly-looking vehicle without checking for sure.
I still say he was banking on this kind of a reaction from the L.A.P.D.
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They just proved his point about being corrupt by shooting that other car.
No, that's when they proved they were incompetent. Their corruption is an entirely separate issue.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/charlie-sheen-dorner-call-170740810.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/charlie-sheen-dorner-call-170740810.html)
Considering it's Charlie Sheen, I thought this headline was definitely implying something else.
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I must like to torture myself, why did I read the comments on the yahoo article, which basically boiled down to "Let's bitch about illegals and it's all Obama's fault".
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Dorner has become the first human target for remotely-controlled airborne drones on US soil. (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman)
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/charlie-sheen-dorner-call-170740810.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/charlie-sheen-dorner-call-170740810.html)
Considering it's Charlie Sheen, I thought this headline was definitely implying something else.
Well at least Charlie Sheen is trying to do something good for a change...
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Dorner has become the first human target for remotely-controlled airborne drones on US soil. (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman)
Woah...
This ought to be interesting.
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Dorner has become the first human target for remotely-controlled airborne drones on US soil. (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman)
Woah...
This ought to be interesting.
Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet that Dorner reads the news; as long as he has a smartphone and a way to charge it, he'll have plenty of internet access. He'll likely now be aware that drones with thermal cams are being sent to look for him, which means that he'll be able to figure out ways to avoid them (or at least scour the skies for them).
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Yes a smart phone...with a built in GPS that you really can't disable....yep.
Ironbite-even if he doesn't....there's always a newspaper.
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Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil (http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil)
It's official: The drone war has come home to America. Wanted fugitive Christopher Dorner, the homicidal former cop currently at war with the LAPD, has become the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio
This could end VERY badly. Police have already shot up 2 different trucks on accident. What happens when a drone targets the wrong person?
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It doesn't bode well. Drones make poor substitutes for properly trained law enforcement. And for all we know, it could be a ruse. He may have done what he did to make them lose manpower protecting the city that might be otherwise used to search for him. Of course, I might be overthinking it, and forgetting to weigh the sheer number of LEOs in LA and in the surrounding area, not to mention federal involvement in the case.
As for what happens when drones target the wrong people? HEY, let's ask the bystanders' families, you know, the ones in the middle east whose family members had been blown up because the intel got it wrong =D [/sarcasm]
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It doesn't bode well. Drones make poor substitutes for properly trained law enforcement. And for all we know, it could be a ruse. He may have done what he did to make them lose manpower protecting the city that might be otherwise used to search for him. Of course, I might be overthinking it, and forgetting to weigh the sheer number of LEOs in LA and in the surrounding area, not to mention federal involvement in the case.
As for what happens when drones target the wrong people? HEY, let's ask the bystanders' families, you know, the ones in the middle east whose family members had been blown up because the intel got it wrong =D [/sarcasm]
This fear would be more applicable if these were drones armed with missiles and they were planning on finding his shack out in the woods and blowing it to smithereens. These drones are definitely NOT armed, and will only serve to help track him much like the modern equivalent of a helicopter with a searchlight. They'll still need guys on the ground to follow directions given by the drone operators to reach the target location and make an arrest or kill.
In actuality, the drones may not help at all. They're not magic; if he gets inside a building or cave or even just has the right terrain around him, he'll be blocked completely from the thermal cameras. They can't magically see through walls or hills or trees. They can really only spot him if he's outdoors and exposed, and they work best mostly by making the heat sources high contrast against camouflage. I'm also not sure how the snow will affect the cameras: common sense tells you that they should be black as ink while the guy they're hunting shows up perfectly bright white against it, but I fear that the snow's easy reflection of sunlight may make it even more difficult to locate him outdoors.
And this is all assuming that they can, you know, identify an individual from a thermal camera image. For the record, you can't. Anyone who's looked through a thermal cam (you can go on Youtube and find Apache and AC-130 gunsight footage if you want to see for yourself) can tell you that you can see their silhouettes perfectly fine, but there's no way to identify someone except by extremely obvious signs (like telling the guy with the AK apart from the guy with the RPG, and even then they've mistaken large cameras for weapons before). They'll basically need to scour the area he's in and send a full team of heavily armed and armored soldiers (and probably dogs) out to every single human being they spot in the area and have each one of them individually checked out. Hopefully they won't accidentally shoot anyone, or end up scaring a trigger-happy hunter or camper by showing up with assault rifles and screaming at him.
Yes a smart phone...with a built in GPS that you really can't disable....yep.
Ironbite-even if he doesn't....there's always a newspaper.
Assuming they're even able to track it. No phone can be tracked if the phone is turned off. Most likely, the most they'd be able to get even if they had the necessary equipment specifically tracking his number is an hour or two of location before he shuts his phone off to conserve the battery.
Seeing as how they haven't used it to find him yet, though, he's either being smart and keeping his phone off most of the time or it hasn't even occurred to them.
One other thing I should point out (unrelated to the above) is that he's not necessarily spending his days freezing his ass off in the mountains, hiding under a bush and waiting for a SWAT patrol to walk by so he can blow them up with pipe bombs. Assuming the locals have his face memorized (and are sure enough to call the cops if they spot him), it's not difficult to disguise yourself or act in a way that puts you beneath notice.
AND he still has targets, at least one of which refuses to leave his house. I don't think he's just going to spend the rest of the manhunt sitting in his forest lair. He's got people to kill.
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As Chitoryu12 said, the drones aren't armed. I'm not sure they're even using full on Predators, they could be using the smaller hand launched ones. As the article even said, this isn't the first time, the border patrol has been using small drones to track drug smugglers for a while now.
Apparently this guy has a SAM. I don't even want to know what the bill for a blown up Predator is.
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As Chitoryu12 said, the drones aren't armed. I'm not sure they're even using full on Predators, they could be using the smaller hand launched ones. As the article even said, this isn't the first time, the border patrol has been using small drones to track drug smugglers for a while now.
Apparently this guy has a SAM. I don't even want to know what the bill for a blown up Predator is.
I would be REALLY surprised if he had anything more effective for taking down aircraft than an AR-15 with a Leupold. Police don't have access to really anything more explosive than what the bomb squad uses for detonating teddy bears found in empty fields. Missile launchers? Not unless we're Africa all of a sudden.
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The police are giving a press conference to announce...
... They've filed murder charges against Dorner.
We did not need a press conference for that, thanks. We figured.
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The police are giving a press conference to announce...
... They've filed murder charges against Dorner.
We did not need a press conference for that, thanks. We figured.
What was the point?
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To fill up awkward silence with a report from the Land of the Obvious, I guess.
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The police are giving a press conference to announce...
... They've filed murder charges against Dorner.
We did not need a press conference for that, thanks. We figured.
In other news, the United States government has declared 9/11 a terrorist attack.
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What's getting on my nerves about this whole thing is the number of people I know who are filling in the blanks in this story with conspiracies. They've got it in their heads that the police are being so aggressive in their search because this guy has some incriminating information that they don't want to get out. I don't buy it. Dorner's already put a letter online explaining his grievances and naming the people he's planning to kill; if he had information that would ruin LAPD's already sketchy reputation, why not publish that as well? It's like they think every single facet of government is in on some conspiracy to kill Americans, and they're simply looking for the right excuse to do so.
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To fill up awkward silence with a report from the Land of the Obvious, I guess.
I think that's pretty much it. They don't have anything real to report, but they don't want to look like they've given up, so they've gotta say something.
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What's getting on my nerves about this whole thing is the number of people I know who are filling in the blanks in this story with conspiracies. They've got it in their heads that the police are being so aggressive in their search because this guy has some incriminating information that they don't want to get out. I don't buy it. Dorner's already put a letter online explaining his grievances and naming the people he's planning to kill; if he had information that would ruin LAPD's already sketchy reputation, why not publish that as well? It's like they think every single facet of government is in on some conspiracy to kill Americans, and they're simply looking for the right excuse to do so.
Just don't tell them that. Or they may get confused and try to suggest that Dorner is PART of the conspiracy for not having published his information immediately.
And then their brains reboot and they kinda stare slack-jawed into space for a minute.
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The police are giving a press conference to announce...
... They've filed murder charges against Dorner.
We did not need a press conference for that, thanks. We figured.
What was the point?
The point I think was that while we (the royal we) have been trying him in our minds and conversations with information through the press, that's not quite the same as the police officially charging him with murder. Even though he's an awful human, he's still an American citizen entitled to due process.
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The police are giving a press conference to announce...
... They've filed murder charges against Dorner.
We did not need a press conference for that, thanks. We figured.
What was the point?
The point I think was that while we (the royal we) have been trying him in our minds and conversations with information through the press, that's not quite the same as the police officially charging him with murder. Even though he's an awful human, he's still an American citizen entitled to due process.
I don't think we need to all hear that he's being charged with murder. The entire point behind the manhunt is that he's murdering people. We didn't need to hold a press conference to officially charge Osama Bin Laden with terrorism after he was publicly identified as a terrorist. Everyone already KNOWS what the crime is. That's the whole reason anyone knows about him.
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I don't think we need to all hear that he's being charged with murder. The entire point behind the manhunt is that he's murdering people. We didn't need to hold a press conference to officially charge Osama Bin Laden with terrorism after he was publicly identified as a terrorist. Everyone already KNOWS what the crime is. That's the whole reason anyone knows about him.
Technically speaking without charges filed against him he could walk. That said, it's still just the cops saying something to say anything.
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They're found where he has been holed up. (http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities)
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I don't think we need to all hear that he's being charged with murder. The entire point behind the manhunt is that he's murdering people. We didn't need to hold a press conference to officially charge Osama Bin Laden with terrorism after he was publicly identified as a terrorist. Everyone already KNOWS what the crime is. That's the whole reason anyone knows about him.
Technically speaking without charges filed against him he could walk. That said, it's still just the cops saying something to say anything.
Nobody said he never needs charges formally filed against him. They just don't need to file them DURING the manhunt, let alone make a press charge stating the obvious.
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So now cops are in a shoot-out with the bastard. Oh boy...
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One deputy is dead from the shootout so far and another's wounded, and the cabin's apparently on fire. I think that's 4 deaths total.
Apparently he was fired for filing a false report, claiming that a training officer kicked a mentally ill suspect, and blames the firing on racism. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the report really WAS true and they were trying to cover up the abuse.
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One deputy is dead from the shootout so far and another's wounded, and the cabin's apparently on fire. I think that's 4 deaths total.
Oh god... :-\
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One deputy is dead from the shootout so far and another's wounded, and the cabin's apparently on fire. I think that's 4 deaths total.
Oh god... :-\
Oh boy... You thinking what I'm thinking?
CSTDT is gonna be pounded with material after what I shall call Waco 2: Electric Boogaloo.
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One deputy is dead from the shootout so far and another's wounded, and the cabin's apparently on fire. I think that's 4 deaths total.
Oh god... :-\
Oh boy... You thinking what I'm thinking?
Uh, I think so, Brain, but burlap chafes me so.
CSTDT is gonna be pounded with material after what I shall call Waco 2: Electric Boogaloo.
That too.
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One deputy is dead from the shootout so far and another's wounded, and the cabin's apparently on fire. I think that's 4 deaths total.
Apparently he was fired for filing a false report, claiming that a training officer kicked a mentally ill suspect, and blames the firing on racism. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the report really WAS true and they were trying to cover up the abuse.
I'm pretty sure they were a bit more concerned with the way he threatened to kill all of them and their families. I'm not a fan of the LAPD by any means, but the guy was mentally ill, and there just isn't much reason to take his word for it. Looking for the conspiracy angle at this point is a little too tinfoil hat.
But yeah, he's dead now. Reports are still coming in, but they're pretty sure he killed himself.
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One deputy is dead from the shootout so far and another's wounded, and the cabin's apparently on fire. I think that's 4 deaths total.
Apparently he was fired for filing a false report, claiming that a training officer kicked a mentally ill suspect, and blames the firing on racism. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the report really WAS true and they were trying to cover up the abuse.
I'm pretty sure they were a bit more concerned with the way he threatened to kill all of them and their families. I'm not a fan of the LAPD by any means, but the guy was mentally ill, and there just isn't much reason to take his word for it. Looking for the conspiracy angle at this point is a little too tinfoil hat.
But yeah, he's dead now. Reports are still coming in, but they're pretty sure he killed himself.
There's no conspiracy regarding corruption in the LAPD. Falsifying a report for kicking a mentally ill suspect and getting a guy fired for trying to report it is really mundane by bad cop standards.
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Well... what now, I wonder?
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One deputy is dead from the shootout so far and another's wounded, and the cabin's apparently on fire. I think that's 4 deaths total.
Apparently he was fired for filing a false report, claiming that a training officer kicked a mentally ill suspect, and blames the firing on racism. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the report really WAS true and they were trying to cover up the abuse.
I'm pretty sure they were a bit more concerned with the way he threatened to kill all of them and their families. I'm not a fan of the LAPD by any means, but the guy was mentally ill, and there just isn't much reason to take his word for it. Looking for the conspiracy angle at this point is a little too tinfoil hat.
But yeah, he's dead now. Reports are still coming in, but they're pretty sure he killed himself.
There's no conspiracy regarding corruption in the LAPD. Falsifying a report for kicking a mentally ill suspect and getting a guy fired for trying to report it is really mundane by bad cop standards.
Yes, but assuming that's the reason the police have been trying to find and kill him is a bit of a stretch.
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Yes, but assuming that's the reason the police have been trying to find and kill him is a bit of a stretch.
I never SAID that, though. I only brought up how he was fired for apparently falsifying a report regarding suspect abuse, and how it wouldn't surprise me if it really was the truth and they fired him for not yielding. Corruption in the LAPD on that level is typical. I never suggested that they're out hunting him for being a seeker of justice. It's pretty apparent that it's because he's murdering people.
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They're not sure he's dead.
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Wouldn't that be fucked if it wasn't him in the cabin? Or if he escaped somehow? Though it unfortunately came to an end in violence, I do hope that this actually was the end of it.
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Wouldn't that be fucked if it wasn't him in the cabin? Or if he escaped somehow? Though it unfortunately came to an end in violence, I do hope that this actually was the end of it.
Just imagine if it turns out that it was actually a terrified hunter or survivalist or something who thought the feds were invading their own homeland or whatever.
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This doesn't make the police sound too good. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sisVskohj1k#t=78s)
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I believe it needs to be said.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/ (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/)
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I believe it needs to be said.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/ (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/)
No it does not! Your meme is bad and you should stop using it.
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Someone's a cranky-pants.
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I believe it needs to be said.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/ (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/)
I laughed. I don't know if I should be ashamed or not.
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I believe it needs to be said.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/ (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/)
I laughed. I don't know if I should be ashamed or not.
I too found it hilarious.
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I believe it needs to be said.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/ (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sz500/)
I laughed. I don't know if I should be ashamed or not.
I too found it hilarious.
Morbid as fuck, but...funny