Conservatives lambast Romney, vow to take over Republican Party

[Captain Jack Harkness]

I wonder how they square their reasoning with the fact that Romney actually did better than McCain in 2008.

[Cataclysm]

^Because we didn't know about Obama's socialist commie nazi homosexual muslamic satanic agenda, but he revealed it to us in this term.

[Captain Jack Harkness]

Actually, looking at the numbers, Romney and McCain got roughly the same number of votes as each other.  The difference in percentage is from an overall lower voter turnout (and less votes for Obama).

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/president?view=race08

vs.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president

Notice how Romney gained two states over McCain, while Obama didn't gain any states.

[Smurfette Principle]

The libertarians are worse.

How are libertarians worse?

I disagree with libertarians on most issues, but I disagree with conservatives on every issue.

Libertarians are in favor of ending the war on drugs, leaving marriage equality and abortion up to the states...

Many Libertarians don't simply believe same-sex marriage and abortion rights should be left up to the states, they also actively support those measures.

And then you have libertarians like Ron Paul, who thinks that the courts shouldn't determine whether or not banning same-sex marriage is constitutional or not, even though that's kind of their job. Not all libertarians are OK with social issues, and don't forget that "state's rights" allows everything, including things like, oh, sodomy laws. Or Jim Crow laws. Or anti-abortion laws.

[ScrappyB]

Actually, looking at the numbers, Romney and McCain got roughly the same number of votes as each other.  The difference in percentage is from an overall lower voter turnout (and less votes for Obama).

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/president?view=race08

vs.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president

Notice how Romney gained two states over McCain, while Obama didn't gain any states.

I wonder how much of the lower voter turnout was due to the fundies who refused to vote for a Mormon?

[wrongfrog]

Actually, looking at the numbers, Romney and McCain got roughly the same number of votes as each other.  The difference in percentage is from an overall lower voter turnout (and less votes for Obama).

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/president?view=race08

vs.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president

Notice how Romney gained two states over McCain, while Obama didn't gain any states.

I wonder how much of the lower voter turnout was due to the fundies who refused to vote for a Mormon?

My best friend's parents are what you just described. They think Mormons are crazy, so they voted for Obama instead, despite being hardcore Christians. Weirdly enough, they also are in LOVE with the Clintons.

[ThunderWulf]

Republicans, this kind of behavior is why even most moderates don't take your party seriously anymore.

[Her3tiK]

And they drag themselves ever deeper. Suppose they'll fracture into couple new parties, or will their moderates just go libertarian?

[nickiknack]

Republicans, this kind of behavior is why even most moderates don't take your party seriously anymore.

At this point, I would say at this point they make Barry Goldwater look sane, and he was more or less "Teabagger Classic".

The libertarians are worse.

How are libertarians worse?

I disagree with libertarians on most issues, but I disagree with conservatives on every issue.

Libertarians are in favor of ending the war on drugs, leaving marriage equality and abortion up to the states...

Many Libertarians don't simply believe same-sex marriage and abortion rights should be left up to the states, they also actively support those measures.

And then you have libertarians like Ron Paul, who thinks that the courts shouldn't determine whether or not banning same-sex marriage is constitutional or not, even though that's kind of their job. Not all libertarians are OK with social issues, and don't forget that "state's rights" allows everything, including things like, oh, sodomy laws. Or Jim Crow laws. Or anti-abortion laws.

This is why as a left/progessive libertarian I've grown to dislike "Libertarians". And I have more respect for the Greens than the Libertarian Party itself.

[syaoranvee]

Is that "utopia' libertarian island almost done so they can go and leave us alone.

[Bezron]

Just gonna leave this here...

http://samuel-warde.com/2012/11/cry-babies-and-sore-losers/

[Material Defender]

I don't really care for the green party after reviewing their positions more thoroughly. I just like their election reforms.

[Cataclysm]

The libertarians are worse.

How are libertarians worse?

I disagree with libertarians on most issues, but I disagree with conservatives on every issue.

Libertarians are in favor of ending the war on drugs, leaving marriage equality and abortion up to the states...

Many Libertarians don't simply believe same-sex marriage and abortion rights should be left up to the states, they also actively support those measures.

And then you have libertarians like Ron Paul, who thinks that the courts shouldn't determine whether or not banning same-sex marriage is constitutional or not, even though that's kind of their job. Not all libertarians are OK with social issues, and don't forget that "state's rights" allows everything, including things like, oh, sodomy laws. Or Jim Crow laws. Or anti-abortion laws.

Ron Paul is more of a paelo-conservative. He doesn't support the federal government, but thinks states can do what they please, and is very anti-interventionist.

[Old Viking]

Oh, yes, please, p-l-e-a-s-e, please go even more tea partyish.

[Agni]

I have a feeling that the Repubs are gonna go so far right that they end up either becoming Fascists or they just implode from being filled with nutjobs.