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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #120 on: December 03, 2015, 06:12:48 am »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34993344

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Police believe that 28-year-old Syed Rizwan Farook, an inspector with the department, left the party following a dispute and returned with his partner, 27-year-old Tashfeen Malik, to carry out the shooting.

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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #121 on: December 03, 2015, 09:50:47 am »

Earlier I heard that ISIS wasn't claiming responsibility but they were dancing with glee A few minutes ago I read their names and they were all middle eastern in origin, so get ready to be hearing a lot about that.

I saw their names too. I heard a few people say they were middle eastern names as well and I just rolled my eyes. They aren't middle eastern names at all but Pakistani. Which actually had me thinking that it might not be ISIS at all but maybe Al Queda rearing it's ugly head.
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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #122 on: December 03, 2015, 10:58:58 am »
Apparently Syed, his wife, and a third person carried this out.  So of course let the ISIS-link rumors spread.  Though I wouldn't be surprised if this was Saudi Arabia throwing a cell together to get America involved in a war with ISIS.

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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #123 on: December 03, 2015, 01:26:29 pm »
Who cares about the motive the solution is clearly more guns for everyone....
I'm going wait a few days and see how turns out, too may rumors floating around right now.
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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #124 on: December 05, 2015, 02:14:35 am »
http://warisboring.com/articles/san-bernardino-killers-were-rare-hybrid-terrorists/

Apparently the San Bernardino attack is rather confusing as it doesn't fit the definition of "regular" spree killers acts or terrorist attack and is a mix of both.

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Unlike the San Bernardino killers, pseudocommandos often do not define their killings in ideological or political terms. In many cases, workplace killers and school shooters who “go postal” kill people whom they simply felt wronged them. It’s hard to call that terrorism.

On the other end of the spectrum, terrorist organizations such as the Islamic State have explicit political justifications for their atrocities, but the assailants often have little — if any — personal connection to their targets. They commonly choose crowded areas simply because that’s where the people are, though there also may be some symbolic importance.

...But instead, these attackers chose targets that they knew while their attack was clearly motivated by political reasons. ...Except that there is no link found to DAESh or any other terror group so far so these terrorist seem to be merely "fanboys." Meaning that, yes they did do this attack in the name of Islam but unlike the Paris attacks this was not something that was planned by a large terrorist organization that trained and armed the attackers. These people were just a few random people who decided to act for their cause.

The closest thing to something like this was a 2014 incident:


And if you think this is meaningless debate and we should just label this as Islamic terrorism and move on here is the problem:

How do we prevent something like this? Government agencies can spy on terrorists and try to find out if they are preparing an attack but if some loners or small groups with no connection to terrorists make plans like this (and there are plenty of guidebooks on the net) it is much harder to catch them.
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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #125 on: December 05, 2015, 07:01:08 am »
askold, i think you forgot to post links in your post.
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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #126 on: December 05, 2015, 10:59:14 am »
I wonder how long it's going to take for some right wing fucknugget to fire bomb a mosque over this, I already hearing "ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVILZ" over it.

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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #127 on: December 05, 2015, 11:13:46 am »
I wonder how long it's going to take for some right wing fucknugget to fire bomb a mosque over this, I already hearing "ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVILZ" over it.

Wonder if they'll attack a Sikh temple by mistake, like Wade Michael Page did.

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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #128 on: December 05, 2015, 07:54:45 pm »
Ha, I saw a redneck scream at a Russian Orthodox priest once. No doubt he'd scream "terrorist" at Hassidic Jews, too.
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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #129 on: December 05, 2015, 08:38:50 pm »
You know what though, the whole gun control debate is wrong. People are worried that if you ban guns only the criminals will have guns. You know what i don't care if criminals have guns. They are going to use those guns to commit crimes and make money. It is in fact extremely counterproductive for them to actually shoot them. Makes it much more likely they will be caught and receive a higher sentence. The people who you want to avoid having guns are creepy lonely people who one day snap and stalk through your work with a high powered rifle/ shotgun systematically killing all the people who looked at them funny over the past 10 years.

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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #130 on: December 06, 2015, 02:16:35 am »
http://warisboring.com/articles/san-bernardino-killers-were-rare-hybrid-terrorists/

Apparently the San Bernardino attack is rather confusing as it doesn't fit the definition of "regular" spree killers acts or terrorist attack and is a mix of both.

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Unlike the San Bernardino killers, pseudocommandos often do not define their killings in ideological or political terms. In many cases, workplace killers and school shooters who “go postal” kill people whom they simply felt wronged them. It’s hard to call that terrorism.

On the other end of the spectrum, terrorist organizations such as the Islamic State have explicit political justifications for their atrocities, but the assailants often have little — if any — personal connection to their targets. They commonly choose crowded areas simply because that’s where the people are, though there also may be some symbolic importance.

...But instead, these attackers chose targets that they knew while their attack was clearly motivated by political reasons. ...Except that there is no link found to DAESh or any other terror group so far so these terrorist seem to be merely "fanboys." Meaning that, yes they did do this attack in the name of Islam but unlike the Paris attacks this was not something that was planned by a large terrorist organization that trained and armed the attackers. These people were just a few random people who decided to act for their cause.

The closest thing to something like this was a 2014 incident:
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There’s a precedent for this. In May 2014, 22-year-old college student Elliot Rodger stabbed his three roommates to death and drove around the college town of Isla Vista, California shooting at pedestrians. In his manifesto, Rodger singled out women and blamed them for his loneliness, and “beta” males — which included his roommates — for their success with relationships.

And if you think this is meaningless debate and we should just label this as Islamic terrorism and move on here is the problem:

How do we prevent something like this? Government agencies can spy on terrorists and try to find out if they are preparing an attack but if some loners or small groups with no connection to terrorists make plans like this (and there are plenty of guidebooks on the net) it is much harder to catch them.
Ok, the latter quote didn't work at first because I accidentally tried to turn it into an image...

Guizonde: Didn't this link show?     http://warisboring.com/articles/san-bernardino-killers-were-rare-hybrid-terrorists/
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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #131 on: December 06, 2015, 04:25:51 am »
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVdJcrNUwAAYeZS.jpg

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/673087427058245632/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/new-york-times-gun-control-1.3352528

I'm only linking to the image because it's the front page of the December 5 edition of the New York Times (posted on their Twitter account, however). It's the first editorial on their front page in 95 years, and it's about gun control. (The last one was after the Republicans nominated Harding for President.)
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Re: SHOTS FIRED - shootings and killings mega-thread
« Reply #132 on: December 06, 2015, 08:33:11 am »
thanks askold, and i saw no links at all in your original post, just the sentence structure that indicated that there were links. of course, i should've quoted your post and manually checked.
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