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Community => Science and Technology => Topic started by: armandtanzarian on February 25, 2012, 10:34:48 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/feb/21/death-denial-hiv-aids
Apparently this exists. People who are HIV-positive but choose not to take any drugs to control the symptoms. And as detailed, the consequences can be dire.
Karri Stokely is a poster girl for a different way to look at health. After receiving an Aids diagnosis in 1996, at the age of 29, she was treated for 11 years with a cocktail of drugs. But then she saw an internet video saying that HIV was a hoax, stopped taking her medicines – and felt terrific.
"I'm not getting any answers from the mainstream as to why I'm healthy, and why my husband is negative, and why I can quit these drugs," she explains in her own video, which is currently being promoted online. "I think it's a crime. It's crimes against humanity."
Her doctor was aghast – HIV treatment is for life. "He looked me right in the eyes and said: 'You have done a very stupid thing, and you will be dead very soon,'" Stokely recalls. "My response to him was: 'That's funny, because right now I'm feeling pretty good.'"
That was in April 2007. She died four years later, so her comments are a postcard from the past. "Karri Stokely passed away on April 27th 2011," explains a website run by London journalist Joan Shenton. "She said she wouldn't go quietly so we are keeping her moving interview below on our homepage."
The whole thing is worth a read, as well as the fact there are websites dedicated to this kind of idiocy. The defining characteristic among most AIDS sufferers who stopped taking drugs is they usually die, within a few years. But even if their death occurs after years of not taking medicine, the advocates still somehow blame it back on the drugs.
As a bonus, go halfway past down the comments for the usual cries of "pharma shill".
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The Darwin Award has been won. Frankly, I'm amazed she lasted as long as she did.
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AIDS Denialists are ultimately a recruitment group with conspiracy fringes, they prey on those terrified of what will happen to them because of being infected with HIV because of it still being seen as so much of a death sentence compared to many who still live fufilling lives while being infected. They want to make you believe that there are ways to beat it outside modern medicine, that it really doesn't exist, or that "big pharma" is hiding the cure and that they know it.
To say a person is stupid because they fall for this is not right, they are a victim of fear and uncertainly and ultimately pay the price.
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She had 4 years to reconsider. She was stupid.
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I usually don't like to speak ill of the dead, but that woman was an idiot and deserves a Darwin Award. (But if she has children, then she's automatically disqualified...)
http://www.theonion.com/video/courageous-man-refuses-to-believe-he-has-cancer,14312/ (http://www.theonion.com/video/courageous-man-refuses-to-believe-he-has-cancer,14312/)
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What I find astonishing is that every single person with HIV/AIDS that loudly promotes this crap is or soon will be dead, and yet their "movement" still has followers! For God's sake, how much proof is needed that they are wrong?
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I think there's a subset of AIDS denialists (or heck, maybe most of them) who think AIDS was invented by the U.S. government or something as a biological weapon. If I remember correctly, Alex Jones promotes that bullshit on his show. They refuse to get treatment for it because it will "feed the Big Pharma machine."
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"Big Pharma" might be the single dumbest phrase ever invented.
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Perhaps their version of AIDS is Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome?
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"Big Pharma" might be the single dumbest phrase ever invented.
I generally stop taking anyone seriously whenever they first mention "Big Pharma".
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How is that not child abuse?
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Fuck that, how is that not criminally negligent homicide?
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"Big Pharma" might be the single dumbest phrase ever invented.
I generally stop taking anyone seriously whenever they first mention "Big Pharma".
Indeed. "Big _____" has much the same rhetorical effect as "The Secret Society of Super Villians: _____ Division".
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What I find astonishing is that every single person with HIV/AIDS that loudly promotes this crap is or soon will be dead, and yet their "movement" still has followers! For God's sake, how much proof is needed that they are wrong?
Well their usual excuses are:
a) It wasn't AIDS that killed him it was just something that looks like it. (Usually they either blame drugs or gay-sex.)
b) Well he took some HIV medication at some point and that is what causes AIDS, as long as you stay away from "medicine" HIV is harmless.
c) Well I suppose your "research" and "evidence" looks convincing but WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?! (Runs away.)
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d) The internet equivalent of the chewbacca argument if it was instead made by someone who had only heard of the chewbacca argument, had never read about it, and had more holes in it than a bullet-riddled warehouse full of spaghetti strainers.
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"Big Pharma" might be the single dumbest phrase ever invented.
Nope. "Creation science" has it beat by a mile.
I generally stop taking anyone seriously whenever they first mention "Big Pharma".
I prefer the term "pharmaceutical lobby".
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Also fun: playing in traffic.
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Any time AIDS is brought up around here I have to tell everyone, in detail, why it did not come from a gay guy butt fucking a monkey, and that being gay has nothing to do with it. Then there's people who think it's a good thing because "it kills all those damn niggers".
Have I mentioned that I really hate my state?
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Any time AIDS is brought up around here I have to tell everyone, in detail, why it did not come from a gay guy butt fucking a monkey, and that being gay has nothing to do with it. Then there's people who think it's a good thing because "it kills all those damn niggers".
Have I mentioned that I really hate my state?
Don't worry. I have people who believe that it's only a disease of fags, prostitutes, and city folks so it's a good thing because it punishes them, so they don't need to protect themselves because it would never run rampant among religious country folks. ::)
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I have heard in my lifetime the following claims of "truth."
1. AIDS is an artificially created bioweapon designed by the government to kill blacks. According to this individual it was made by the same CIA scientists that made Sickle Cell Anemia, but they got it wrong and it ended up attacking the "gay gene" rather than the "black gene."
2. HIV is a harmless virus found in almost all humans and AIDS does not exist at all, but is a syndrome deliberately caused by doctors using a cocktail of toxic drugs in order to cheat the government out of money for bogus research.
3. AIDS can not be contracted by any kind of physical contact or behavior, but is one of the Biblical plagues that has been revived by God as direct punishment for sinners. The only way to get it is for God to plant the disease directly in you.
4. AIDS is an attempt by the white governments of the world to wipe out the population of Africa so they can sweep in and steal all of the natural resources.
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Yeah I know about Christine Maggiore and Peter Duesberg and the rest of that scum. Duesberg peddled his whacky beliefs on Focal Point, the AFA radio show. Needless to say, Bryan Fischer ate it all up.
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Yeah I know about Christine Maggiore and Peter Duesberg and the rest of that scum. Duesberg peddled his whacky beliefs on Focal Point, the AFA radio show. Needless to say, Bryan Fischer ate it all up.
Why am I not surprised?
I always have this thing about conspiracy theorists. They believe in these things because they're more susceptible to this kind of shit; hence they usually believe a whole buffet of crazy ideas. Its rare to find a conspiracy theorist with only one misguided belief.
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4. AIDS is an attempt by the white governments of the world to wipe out the population of Africa so they can sweep in and steal all of the natural resources.
You can't blame them for being paranoid, though. I mean, white governments do love their natural resources and don't mind killing black people for them.
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"Big Pharma" might be the single dumbest phrase ever invented.
I generally stop taking anyone seriously whenever they first mention "Big Pharma".
Indeed. "Big _____" has much the same rhetorical effect as "The Secret Society of Super Villians: _____ Division".
My favorite is “Big Labor” “The Secret Society of Super Villains: Labor Division.”
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"Big Pharma" might be the single dumbest phrase ever invented.
I generally stop taking anyone seriously whenever they first mention "Big Pharma".
Indeed. "Big _____" has much the same rhetorical effect as "The Secret Society of Super Villians: _____ Division".
My favorite is “Big Labor” “The Secret Society of Super Villains: Labor Division.”
The Secret Society of Super Villains: Long Division
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Put that through our translator in reverse and we get: Big Long.
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Put that through our translator in reverse and we get: Big Long.
Like my dick, hur hur hur.
Come on, I just had to do it.
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I would have been disappointed had you not.
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I just had to do it.
That's what she said.