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Politics and Government / Re: The lead-up to the 2018 midterms begins
« Last post by DarkPhoenix on January 19, 2019, 09:41:31 pm »
DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!

The right really does fear AOC for some reason.  Like they can't really marginalize her in a way that'll make her just go away.

Ironbite-that scares them.

They fear her because she's very good at understanding social media, and can reach a younger group of people the Repubs count on ignoring politics in order to win.
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Religion and Philosophy / Re: The most badass movie about not Masterbating EVER!
« Last post by DarkPhoenix on January 19, 2019, 09:39:23 pm »
Only three words:

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK?
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Politics and Government / Re: The lead-up to the 2018 midterms begins
« Last post by ironbite on January 19, 2019, 09:31:09 pm »
DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!

The right really does fear AOC for some reason.  Like they can't really marginalize her in a way that'll make her just go away.

Ironbite-that scares them.
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Politics and Government / Re: The lead-up to the 2018 midterms begins
« Last post by dpareja on January 19, 2019, 09:24:25 pm »
Quote
this ongoing back and forth between AOC and McCain isn’t really about ‘socialism’ vs capitalism or even democract vs republican, it’s about someone whose had a real job vs someone who’s never even had to think about getting one. McCain’s just mad the help is getting uppity.

Adam Johnson regarding Meghan McCain's obsession with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
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Society and History / Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Last post by RavynousHunter on January 19, 2019, 04:35:59 pm »
That's for people that actually get offended by being called a fat, slovenly loser.  Folks need to learn from yours truly and just accept that they're complete pieces of shit.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by RavynousHunter on January 19, 2019, 04:34:00 pm »
Aye, that's why I tend towards supporting the poor bastards on the ground, even if I don't support why they're on the ground in the first place.  Not like they get to dictate where they go and why.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by rookie on January 19, 2019, 03:54:10 pm »
Fair 'nuff.

Not quite. Kids hurried me off my phone. Regardless of the reasons you enlisted or accepted your commission, once you get there, you're fighting for the guys next to you. So i can proudly say that with only a small handful of exceptions everyone i shipped out with made it back.
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Society and History / Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Last post by rookie on January 19, 2019, 03:50:55 pm »
Ok, let's clear something up real quick. Gillette isn't trying to change the world. They're trying to sell grossly overpriced shaving products. Company, profits, fuck all else. Same page? Good. Now we can move on to what the hell were they trying to do with this marketing campaign.
That add wasn't for the dude beating his wife. It wasn't for the sleazy guy at the end of the bar hitting on every woman walking to the restroom. It was for "most men" who are doing the right thing. It was saying call out the people not going the right thing. Hell, maybe even stop them.

Tell me, do you also get mad at adds telling you to not drink and drive? Or to get help if you have an addiction? How about those weight loss guys? Are they telling you you're fat?
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Society and History / Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Last post by SCarpelan on January 19, 2019, 01:53:08 pm »
Somebody is feeling a bit butthurt?
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Society and History / Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Last post by Chaos Undivided on January 19, 2019, 01:36:46 pm »
Can you define what you mean by moral universalism, because I don't see what that has to do with the shaving commercial.

Toxic masculinity is a thing.  Saying that cultural attitudes exist that say a man must violently dominate others and do other things that are harmful to himself or others to prove himself a real man and that these attitudes cause lots of problems in our society is well supported by modern psychology, sociology and criminology.  The idea that Mexicans are a bunch of rapists is not.  So this is a false comparison.

Moral universality (also known as moral universalism and moral objectivism) is basically the idea of one standard for everybody, regardless of culture, race, creed, etc. I brought it up in response to SCarplean claiming that changing a social context can change a message's implications.

But back on topic. I'm not entirely sure you understand where I'm coming from. What I'm saying is that people are objecting to the heavy implication that only "some" men are saying the right things and acting the right way.

Chaos, I didn't get the same message you did I guess. However, if you'd like to be offended, may I offer an idea? How about being upset that such a commercial had to be made. That direct quote from the commercial you put up and emphasized was absolutely correct, you know. Some is not enough. Many, even most is not enough. And it really is up to the some, many, most to bring us all up.

Maybe it's generational though? So I'm staring 40 in the face. And I was brought up on what a man is supposed to be and do. From movies, male relatives and family friends, books, all laid out an eerily similar blueprint for being a man. Doing the right thing always featured heavily. Be it a WWII or Vietnam vet, cowboy on screen, or gentle mild mannered man working his ass off to provide for his family, do the right thing always. That's how Xers were brought up. And somewhere we lost that.

Gillette was absolutely right. It is up to Real Men(tm) to curtail the behavior of those calling themselves men without doing Man Responsibilities. Why? Well when Frat Douche drugs her drink, grabs her ass, picks fights, bails on his kids, whatever, he isn't dragging down women. Not to mention stopping such behavior, or trying to, is the right thing to do.

Did this really "have" to be made? Most men don't do the kind of things shown in the commercial, and those who do probably won't stop just because a shaving company wagged its metaphorical finger at them. While encouraging men to stop this kind of thing isn't inherently a bad thing, it's probably not going to help much. This is because men - and indeed, people - generally don't approve of bullying or sexual harassment, which is why it usually happens behind closed doors, not in broad daylight as the commercial claims.

Like I said, I'm not asking you to be offended. What do I care how you think about a commercial? I'm just asking you to not simply brush off the people who are.

I'm guessing from the context that you're talking about my hypothetical "black" version of this ad. Well, I see where you're coming from, and it's not a 1:1 comparison. But these comparisons aren't necessarily bad. There are times when drawing such comparisons is justified, even if you don't believe in moral universalism like I do. In America, men generally receive longer sentences than women for the same crimes, similar to how things are for black people as compared to white people. Wouldn't you say both are evidence of systemic bias?

I was musing based on your post but I was not answering to you. Arguing with your type about this is just a waste of energy. If this insults you you can blame a certain previous member of this forum: I simply don't have any fucks left to give when it comes to debating with pigheaded "centrists" about anything related to social justice.

Wow, judgmental much?
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