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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Dappler on February 14, 2018, 04:16:09 am »
I don't know if its the right quote, but yours reminded me of this: "Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, that takes religion."
Do know that one. Not sure if mine had something to do with Bertrand Russell or not, or I happened across it when I was coming across a lot of his stuff. It was a little longer, took a detour or two, and the language was a little more flowery - something like kindly men will be kindly anyways, but fucked if I can seem too ask Google the right question any more. It had been on a page with a bunch of other wonderful quotes and I found it once or twice by googling them and getting back to the page, but either its been reorganised or taken down, or I can't even get that right any longer... Little frustrating. Usually tend to give up after 15-20 minutes. Might have to go through my back-ups one day to see if I pinched the whole page and saved it as a text file. It was a nice resource.

Ever since SEO (search engine optimisation) came to the fore a few years back, the internet has really started to suck a bit. You almost want to Google sources rather than content, (and I can't remember the source in this case). I remember the days when the algorithm used to blackball metaspamming and so forth, now they teach you how to do it, and moronic asswipes with no life max out the ads to content ratio, and shovel their clickbait neurotoxic botullism above the useful stuff. Not even going to talk about youtube.

(Excuse the language)
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Entertainment and Television / Re: Video Game Thread 2.0
« Last post by Cloud3514 on February 13, 2018, 11:55:27 pm »
Also, I have had multiple people respond to me calling Trails of Cold Steel "just fine" with "it's just part one of four!" as if that means I can't judge a 50+ hour game on its own merits and that it can only be judged by entire series.
If that's the case, I feel really bad for whoever has a review an Assassin's Creed game.

Funny enough, I actually cited Assassin's Creed in one particular argument.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 13, 2018, 11:05:29 pm »
Wouldn't take those polls to heart exactly.  The Trump factor hasn't been thrown in.

Ironbite-took down Roy Moore in Alabama.

Barely, and Moore was also an anti-Constitution pedophile. (To quote one Republican, "Moore's loss delights me. Jones's win depresses me. Fuck those guys.")

Anyway, those polls were about what people thought of their Senators, not about whether they'd vote for them when they're next up for election.
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Entertainment and Television / Re: Video Game Thread 2.0
« Last post by Stormwarden on February 13, 2018, 09:17:20 pm »
Latest RPG I'm challenging is called Wild ARMS 3. And let me tell you, it is a toughie. The graphics (PS2 game) hold up very well with the modern age, but those puzzles are BRUTAL.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by ironbite on February 13, 2018, 07:00:34 pm »
Wouldn't take those polls to heart exactly.  The Trump factor hasn't been thrown in.

Ironbite-took down Roy Moore in Alabama.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 13, 2018, 06:25:53 pm »
Silly dpareja, framers' intent only matters when its convenient!
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Susan B. Anthony

The same can be said for reading between the lines, when the thing they're reading between the lines of is the justification, or more likely, an appeal to authority.

Which of course gets to a frustrating quote I read about 15 years ago I haven't been able to find again, about religion being a post hoc justification, sanctifying evil. (It used none of those words). The gist of it was that without religion, good people would be good anyway, and it just provides an excuse for bad people to be complete dicks and feel superior about it to boot. (It probably used none of those words either.) It is pretty sad to see complete dicks sniffing around the constitution seeing if they can usurp it to cleanse their evil (and to recruit). A metaphorical fig leaf, if nudity was a malevolent crime...

I don't know if its the right quote, but yours reminded me of this: "Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, that takes religion."

I'd say a more accurate statement would be that it takes a strong ideological conviction and/or an authoritarian mindset. Many religious ideologies combine these two nicely but destructive secular ideologies are also able to seduce decent people. Religion is an easy and socially acceptable target but I'd argue that for example nationalism isn't much better in this regard.

Sure, but those approach fundamentalist religion in mindset. As Hitchens noted, the most religious state in the world is North Korea, where you wake up, go about your day, and fall asleep praising the Great Leader and the Dear Leader (I don't know what they're calling Un these days) all the while.

EDIT:

https://morningconsult.com/2018/01/23/senator-rankings-jan-2018/

Morning Consult released their quarterly Senate popularity poll a few weeks ago. No points for guessing that, yet again, the most popular Senator is a socialist and the least popular is the Majority Leader.

But it does show some worrisome results for Democrats: Menendez, McCaskill, Baldwin and Tester are all up in 2018 and are all in the bottom 10.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by SCarpelan on February 13, 2018, 06:06:18 pm »
Silly dpareja, framers' intent only matters when its convenient!
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Susan B. Anthony

The same can be said for reading between the lines, when the thing they're reading between the lines of is the justification, or more likely, an appeal to authority.

Which of course gets to a frustrating quote I read about 15 years ago I haven't been able to find again, about religion being a post hoc justification, sanctifying evil. (It used none of those words). The gist of it was that without religion, good people would be good anyway, and it just provides an excuse for bad people to be complete dicks and feel superior about it to boot. (It probably used none of those words either.) It is pretty sad to see complete dicks sniffing around the constitution seeing if they can usurp it to cleanse their evil (and to recruit). A metaphorical fig leaf, if nudity was a malevolent crime...

I don't know if its the right quote, but yours reminded me of this: "Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, that takes religion."

I'd say a more accurate statement would be that it takes a strong ideological conviction and/or an authoritarian mindset. Many religious ideologies combine these two nicely but destructive secular ideologies are also able to seduce decent people. Religion is an easy and socially acceptable target but I'd argue that for example nationalism isn't much better in this regard.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 13, 2018, 05:59:29 pm »
Silly dpareja, framers' intent only matters when its convenient!
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Susan B. Anthony

The same can be said for reading between the lines, when the thing they're reading between the lines of is the justification, or more likely, an appeal to authority.

Which of course gets to a frustrating quote I read about 15 years ago I haven't been able to find again, about religion being a post hoc justification, sanctifying evil. (It used none of those words). The gist of it was that without religion, good people would be good anyway, and it just provides an excuse for bad people to be complete dicks and feel superior about it to boot. (It probably used none of those words either.) It is pretty sad to see complete dicks sniffing around the constitution seeing if they can usurp it to cleanse their evil (and to recruit). A metaphorical fig leaf, if nudity was a malevolent crime...

I don't know if its the right quote, but yours reminded me of this: "Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, that takes religion."

That's not quite the same, but that's a famous Steven Weinberg quote.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Eiki-mun on February 13, 2018, 03:49:42 pm »
Silly dpareja, framers' intent only matters when its convenient!
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Susan B. Anthony

The same can be said for reading between the lines, when the thing they're reading between the lines of is the justification, or more likely, an appeal to authority.

Which of course gets to a frustrating quote I read about 15 years ago I haven't been able to find again, about religion being a post hoc justification, sanctifying evil. (It used none of those words). The gist of it was that without religion, good people would be good anyway, and it just provides an excuse for bad people to be complete dicks and feel superior about it to boot. (It probably used none of those words either.) It is pretty sad to see complete dicks sniffing around the constitution seeing if they can usurp it to cleanse their evil (and to recruit). A metaphorical fig leaf, if nudity was a malevolent crime...

I don't know if its the right quote, but yours reminded me of this: "Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, that takes religion."
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 13, 2018, 01:02:54 pm »
Actually, my favourite example of how "strict constructionists" ignore framers' intent is the Second Amendment.

The main concern brought up that led to its enactment was that standing armies are bad and have a tendency to overthrow governments. (Jefferson especially was concerned about this.) So the whole idea of the Second Amendment was to allow soldiers in the military to disperse to their states whenever they weren't needed to serve the country, and, to keep in training for the next muster, form "well-regulated militia[s]" and keep their guns.

The second purpose was brought up by Patrick Henry and George Mason (yes, the one they named the university after), who were afraid that certain guarantees in the Constitution would lead to escaped slaves being declared free by the courts. They asked Jefferson if the amendment would allow them to form armed militias to hunt down escaped slaves and recapture them before they could get to a free state. (Pennsylvania, perhaps, or Delaware--Henry and Mason lived in Virginia.) Jefferson agreed, and so that was the second purpose of the amendment: hunting down escaped slaves before they could reach freedom.

So the Second Amendment has two purposes: precluding the need for a standing army (which, for better or worse, is defunct today since the US has a huge standing military), and hunting down escaped slaves (which, very much for the better, is defunct today). But nope, MAH GUNZ!
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