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Politics and Government / Re: Are we living in a Conservative Era?
« Last post by dpareja on October 18, 2018, 12:02:46 am »
Oh, hi, Buckley v. Valeo.
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Politics and Government / Are we living in a Conservative Era?
« Last post by Id82 on October 17, 2018, 11:54:37 pm »
I got into a discussion with my very conservative father in law who told me that Barack Obama was the most liberal president he has ever seen, and I thought really? More liberal than FDR or LBJ? He then went on to say blah blah blah Obamacare is socialized medicine and repeated some fox news talking points, but it got me thinking. Is the country just in a conservative era, and what would it take to shift the overton window back into a liberal era?

I would like to think that the country was a liberal shifted country from 1933 to 1982 after the election of FDR until the election of Ronald Reagan where the country shifted from another conservative era after the stock market crashed and a lot of liberal policies, high taxes on the wealthy, five democratic presidents and a democratic dominated congress occurred. Even the two Republicans elected (I don't count Ford since he pretty much just finished out Nixon's term) in that time passed things that would be considered liberal. Eisenhower expanded the highway systems and even Nixon created the EPA. The democratic party shifted from having conservatives in their party to being very liberal.
But it seems like after the baby boomers and young gen xer's came of age, and increased anger from Southern states after the civil rights act was passed, the country voted in Reagan in a huge landslide and changed the country from liberal to conservative. Nearly forty years later the country has had three Republican presidents and two Democrats, and one could argue that Clinton and Obama were pretty center. There's some progress that has been made but it's had to fight against a strong renewed religious right and fiscal conservatives that dominate the political discussion with low taxes for the wealthy and corporations. 9/11 happened which turned US conservatives from somewhat accepting to highly xenophobic and paranoid, and now nearly forty years later since Reagan we have Trump in office with increasing deficits, recordly low taxes, increasing income inequality, very strong religious right representation in government, catering to corporate needs over people's needs, an emboldened nationalist sentiment and liberals have been demonized by a very fringe Right wing. It would seem like it's hard to be a liberal in America right now. Every progress that people want to be made or need to make is shot down by corporations.
But just by looking at history political dominance shifts, and it seems to happen every thirty to forty years or so.

My question would be would you agree we are living in a conservative era of the United states, and if so when do you predict things might shift to the other side? What would it take to shift things politically to the left to a new era? Another great depression that would finally wake American's up? An incoming increase in Millennials entering office who generationally have been pretty liberal compared to their parents. Or a strong Millennial president that finally excites and unites the country around them?
If you can't tell I'm very interested in political shifts.
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Politics and Government / Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Last post by davedan on October 17, 2018, 11:23:26 pm »
I should probably start a thread just for Garrison, but after this one I promise, I will post someone else next. The funny thing is it seems to accept that Trump slept with her. Why else is he holding a carrot?

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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Tolpuddle Martyr on October 17, 2018, 09:49:31 pm »
1. Not the stated reason, the stated reason was in the verse I cited, chapter and verse citation pls. Also, the bible says nothing about it being confined to one geographic region. Chapter and verse citation for this contention if you don't mind.

2. It's still cheating. If a match organiser enters the ring for a boxing bout and shoots the other contestant in the leg because he didn't take a fall he only demonstrates his power and cheats. The two are not mutually exclusive.

3. Merlot and mudfish, produced from thin air, works just as well, just ask Jesus.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on October 17, 2018, 07:31:40 pm »
Good is defined by whether there is a rational reason why it is good. God gives rational justified reasons for his actions.

OK, so you subscribe to natural law-or maybe you just do when divine command theory inevitably starts popping out absurdities. Lets have a look at one of your favourite genocides from the bible, the great flood and the stated reason for it.

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6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Note he's not just talking about humans, he's talking about bunny rabbits, cows, molluscs and let's not forget all those unborn children (violent, violent unborn children). Because there are a few violent douches douching around Yahweh will violently douche on everything but Noah's floating zoo.

Yes he gives a reason, no it is not rational or justified. It makes no sense to combat the existence of violence with greater violence that does more lasting harm.

In Genesis 32:25 God enters a wrestling match with Jacob and loses so he uses magic to break his leg. Now you could argue in a sense that's rational, if all you want to do is show you can win but it's not justified - wrestling is matching ability and skill and cheating just shows you're a dirty, rotten cheater. In Exodus 9:16 God tells the pharaoh that he put him there just to show him his power. Rational? You have literally infinite power and resources, is raising up a dynasty just to bring it down the most rational way to go about this? Why not just do the Jesus trick and pop out some Merlot and mudskipper from thin air? Justified? Come on, set aside all the plagues, misery, dismembered cattle, fermenting frogs and dying children and just make Moses pharaoh-get the other guy to be chamberlain of the royal stool or something!

Unless you're defaulting back to divine command theory and calling it rational and justified because it comes from the creator and therefore in must be, blah blah blah it isn't possible to call all of the actions of a notoriously jealous and wrathful deity both justified and rational. Unless of course you're just here to troll, and you enjoying defending perversity merely to annoy. The thought has crossed my mind...

1. The region of the Middle East that was flooded was filled with violence because it was full of Nephilim who committed violence against the non Nephilim humans till Noah and his family were the only survivors.

2. It was not cheating, it was showing that he was more powerful and could win the match.

3. Showing off his power would cause the Israelites to believe in him and worship him.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Tolpuddle Martyr on October 17, 2018, 04:55:48 pm »
Good is defined by whether there is a rational reason why it is good. God gives rational justified reasons for his actions.

OK, so you subscribe to natural law-or maybe you just do when divine command theory inevitably starts popping out absurdities. Lets have a look at one of your favourite genocides from the bible, the great flood and the stated reason for it.

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6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Note he's not just talking about humans, he's talking about bunny rabbits, cows, molluscs and let's not forget all those unborn children (violent, violent unborn children). Because there are a few violent douches douching around Yahweh will violently douche on everything but Noah's floating zoo.

Yes he gives a reason, no it is not rational or justified. It makes no sense to combat the existence of violence with greater violence that does more lasting harm.

In Genesis 32:25 God enters a wrestling match with Jacob and loses so he uses magic to break his leg. Now you could argue in a sense that's rational, if all you want to do is show you can win but it's not justified - wrestling is matching ability and skill and cheating just shows you're a dirty, rotten cheater. In Exodus 9:16 God tells the pharaoh that he put him there just to show him his power. Rational? You have literally infinite power and resources, is raising up a dynasty just to bring it down the most rational way to go about this? Why not just do the Jesus trick and pop out some Merlot and mudskipper from thin air? Justified? Come on, set aside all the plagues, misery, dismembered cattle, fermenting frogs and dying children and just make Moses pharaoh-get the other guy to be chamberlain of the royal stool or something!

Unless you're defaulting back to divine command theory and calling it rational and justified because it comes from the creator and therefore in must be, blah blah blah it isn't possible to call all of the actions of a notoriously jealous and wrathful deity both justified and rational. Unless of course you're just here to troll, and you enjoying defending perversity merely to annoy. The thought has crossed my mind...

 
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Religion and Philosophy / Re: Biggest Christian church split in a millenia
« Last post by niam2023 on October 17, 2018, 02:52:32 pm »
...And this is why I prefer the discourse on the TVTropes forums.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on October 17, 2018, 07:30:44 am »
How can a finite being, whose actions have finite effects, sin meaningfully against an infinite being?

Because it is an infinite offense to disobey the laws of an infinite being who is our creator.

Divine command theory at its finest.

Nice summary of that here:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlETz4b40yU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlETz4b40yU</a>

Cliff notes version, how do we define good? Is something good because God says it is, or is it good because it's good? Jacob holds that good is defined by God saying something is good but that position only leads to absurdities because when God orders, commits or condones acts like murder, rape and torture, as happened many times in the bible, we're left with a dilemma. We can either judge these acts as evil or judge "good" as something entirely separate from having good intentions or committing good deeds rendering the term "good" meaningless.

A possible out is if we separate the terms piety from good, if we interpret piety as simply something a god or gods like or want but then we're still left with the conclusion that piety isn't necessarily good.

Good is defined by whether there is a rational reason why it is good. God gives rational justified reasons for his actions.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: A question for Niam.
« Last post by Tolpuddle Martyr on October 17, 2018, 03:13:54 am »
Since it has been taking a long time for you to write Chapter 11 Part 2, can I write it as well as other chapters? It will help update Parallel Hero faster.

If not, then when is Chapter 11 Part 2 coming out?
WILL U MARRY ME?
What was that Jakey?
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on October 17, 2018, 02:36:28 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/khashoggi-column-1.4863809

Neil MacDonald on how Trump's election has exposed what the world's really like.
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