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Title: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 13, 2012, 03:56:37 pm
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GOP Tennessee state Rep. Richard Floyd is so upset about Macy's, he's introduced a bill that would ban transgender people from using public restrooms and fitting rooms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WClAvYlXd0Y

http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/01/tennessee-state-gop-rep-pushes-bill-to.html
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: D Laurier on January 13, 2012, 04:12:37 pm
WTF?
I admit I get confused dealing with transgendered people. If I smell female, i think female, and if said person is wearing a tennsor bandage across their chest, yeah I might clue in and realize that its a man who just happens to have female genital parts... but sometimes I miss the clue, and blunder badly. 
Same with women who have male genitalia... Yes I can screw up and say "he" instead of "she" if she isnt dressed in obviously female clothes... but thats my shortcoming. Yeah I need obvious clues to help me keep track, and when I screw up I try to fix it somehow.

This waffle wants to be a dick about it.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 13, 2012, 04:22:16 pm
WTF?
I admit I get confused dealing with transgendered people. If I smell female, i think female, and if said person is wearing a tennsor bandage across their chest, yeah I might clue in and realize that its a man who just happens to have female genital parts... but sometimes I miss the clue, and blunder badly. 
Same with women who have male genitalia... Yes I can screw up and say "he" instead of "she" if she isnt dressed in obviously female clothes... but thats my shortcoming. Yeah I need obvious clues to help me keep track, and when I screw up I try to fix it somehow.

This waffle wants to be a dick about it.

Speaking for myself this is not a problem. People will make mistakes, I usually just politely correct them and think nothing of it. People can generally tell the difference between mistakes and malice.

I really feel bad for this (trans)girl in Texas though. She was just going shopping with her friends and next thing she knows shes being mocked by WND and Fox and is now being used to justify discrimination in Tennessee.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Itachirumon on January 13, 2012, 04:25:53 pm
Such is the nature of the human garbage that is the current GOP. And all their fucked up supporters.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: JohnE on January 13, 2012, 04:31:20 pm
It's one thing to get confused, and a good idea to have a public conversation about how to adapt to changing ideas of gender, but this sort of thing is NOT the way to go about it.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Cataclysm on January 13, 2012, 04:45:19 pm
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I don't care for what reason, how depraved their mind is, how perverted their mind is, or for what reason they think a man has a right to go into a women's bathroom, or dressing room to try on clothes

More seperate but equal crap conservatives have been pushing to instill their societal expectations on everyone.

Also, Irony.

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“I believe if I was standing at a dressing room and my wife or one of my daughters was in the dressing room and a man tried to go in there — I don’t care if he thinks he’s a woman and tries on clothes with them in there — I’d just try to stomp a mudhole in him and then stomp him dry (Hate speech). Don’t ask me to adjust to their perverted way of thinking and put my family at risk (ROTFLOL),” he said. “We cannot continue to let these people dominate how society acts and reacts.

Oh, like you're doing right now, douchebag.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: JohnE on January 13, 2012, 06:10:40 pm
It just occurred to me: Don't most dressing rooms have doors? Granted, they often don't give you as much privacy as you'd like, but it's not like everyone's just getting undressed in front of each other. You walk into the dressing room fully clothed, you walk out fully clothed in something else. Even if we accept the notion that it's bad for trans women and cys women to undress around each other, as long as they're using the dressing rooms the way they're intended, nobody's seeing anyone naked anyway.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: N. De Plume on January 13, 2012, 06:16:37 pm
Like this bit:

His proposed bill would require a birth certificate to prove which restroom a person would be required to use.

Oh, joy. I always wanted to have to carry documentation just to use the restroom!

It just occurred to me: Don't most dressing rooms have doors? Granted, they often don't give you as much privacy as you'd like, but it's not like everyone's just getting undressed in front of each other. You walk into the dressing room fully clothed, you walk out fully clothed in something else. Even if we accept the notion that it's bad for trans women and cys women to undress around each other, as long as they're using the dressing rooms the way they're intended, nobody's seeing anyone naked anyway.
Yeah, I never really understood the degree of dressing room segregation that we have.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 13, 2012, 06:32:28 pm
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I’d just try to stomp a mudhole in him and then stomp him dry

How the fuck do we let congressmen get away with such blatant call of violence?
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: ThunderWulf on January 13, 2012, 07:08:50 pm
Like this bit:

His proposed bill would require a birth certificate to prove which restroom a person would be required to use.

Oh, joy. I always wanted to have to carry documentation just to use the restroom!

And he plans on eforcing that how?
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on January 13, 2012, 07:19:16 pm
Honestly, I feel this is a whole non-issue. There are family restrooms, right? What's the big deal? As long as everyone keeps to their own stalls and don't try to peak between the wall and the door, who cares?

It's the same thing with the douche bag and the changing rooms. This man/woman/whatever they want to be called is going into another stall. Your wife or daughter is in another stall. What's the big deal?
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 13, 2012, 07:41:02 pm
My solution to this would be to make all restrooms unigender.  That means men AND women can go in either.

And also, remove urinals and replace them with actual toilets.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Smurfette Principle on January 13, 2012, 08:21:55 pm
No, making them unigender (with stalls) can be dangerous because rapists. You can make unisex bathrooms if they're the individual kind (the ones that are a single room with a toilet and sink), but those are impractical in places with large traffic flow.

What I don't get is why they're making a fuss at all. Dressing rooms usually have walls all the way down to the floor for precisely this reason, so there's no danger, and if it's a ciswoman or a transwoman sneaking peaks at someone changing, it's because they're perverted assholes, not because they have certain genitalia.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Cataclysm on January 13, 2012, 09:15:30 pm
My solution to this would be to make all restrooms unigender.  That means men AND women can go in either.

And also, remove urinals and replace them with actual toilets.

Or we could make urinals that have a seat, but don't use as much water and put a sign saying not to crap into it.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on January 13, 2012, 09:18:49 pm
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No, making them unigender (with stalls) can be dangerous because rapists.

Has that really been a problem with places where unisex bathrooms are popular?
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Cataclysm on January 13, 2012, 09:20:37 pm
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No, making them unigender (with stalls) can be dangerous because rapists.

Has that really been a problem with places where unisex bathrooms are popular?

And how are segregated bathrooms any safer?
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: erictheblue on January 13, 2012, 09:38:04 pm
Like this bit:

His proposed bill would require a birth certificate to prove which restroom a person would be required to use.

Guess he doesn't realize it is possible to change a birth certificate
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Smurfette Principle on January 13, 2012, 09:55:56 pm
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No, making them unigender (with stalls) can be dangerous because rapists.

Has that really been a problem with places where unisex bathrooms are popular?

And how are segregated bathrooms any safer?

They're not, which is why I like the single, stall-less bathroom idea even though I know it's impractical. I realize bathrooms do nothing for same-sex rape, but I don't know how prevalent that is because it's vastly under-reported.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Meshakhad on January 13, 2012, 10:07:08 pm
I actually read it as he's trying to ban transgender people from ALL public restrooms.

If so, he deserves to have his ass welded shut.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: DasFuchs on January 13, 2012, 10:19:01 pm
My solution to this would be to make all restrooms unigender.  That means men AND women can go in either.

And also, remove urinals and replace them with actual toilets.

Or we could make urinals that have a seat, but don't use as much water and put a sign saying not to crap into it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....NO!
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: kefkaownsall on January 13, 2012, 10:28:01 pm
WTF? (http://static.tumblr.com/ci4x81l/Xcilwjhup/another_demotivational_by_t_mack56-d3l3ph9.jpg)
I really hope this bill doesnt spread to the rest of the south I have an f to m friend in Georgia.
Seriosuly this is just so stupid
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 14, 2012, 12:15:17 am
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I believe if I was standing at a dressing room and my wife or one of my daughters was in the dressing room and a man tried to go in there — I don’t care if he thinks he’s a woman and tries on clothes with them in there — I’d just try to stomp a mudhole in him and then stomp him dry

Someone doesn't understand how dressing rooms work.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Normandy on January 14, 2012, 01:00:22 am
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I believe if I was standing at a dressing room and my wife or one of my daughters was in the dressing room and a man tried to go in there — I don’t care if he thinks he’s a woman and tries on clothes with them in there — I’d just try to stomp a mudhole in him and then stomp him dry.
Congratulations Mr. Floyd, you're a gigantic, bigoted douche.  >:(
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Cataclysm on January 14, 2012, 01:36:28 am
Don't elevate him to a douche.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Stormwarden on January 14, 2012, 01:44:53 am
One thing occurs to me in reading the comments here. It's true what they say about pols, and neocons in particular: If you want to know what the pols are up to, look at what they're accusing the other side of doing.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Lithp on January 14, 2012, 02:43:51 am
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They're not, which is why I like the single, stall-less bathroom idea even though I know it's impractical. I realize bathrooms do nothing for same-sex rape, but I don't know how prevalent that is because it's vastly under-reported.


I just don't believe bathrooms are some kind of ideal rapist hunting ground. If they were, why wouldn't they happen more often? The only thing really stopping a man from going into a women's restroom is the stigma. They aren't locked, or anything.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: N. De Plume on January 14, 2012, 11:44:55 am
Indeed. Someone with the audacity to rape someone in a public restroom would not be stopped just because a sign indicated that restroom was not meant for persons of the rapist’s sex.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: SpaceProg on January 14, 2012, 12:47:16 pm
WTF?
I really hope this bill doesnt spread to the rest of the south I have an f to m friend in Georgia.
Seriosuly this is just so stupid

So far it's been a non-issue as far as I can tell.  It's bad enough living next door to TN...
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 15, 2012, 02:38:08 am
The bill didn't pass:

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2012/01/13/Tennessee_Senate_Pulls_Controversial_AntiTrans_Bill/
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: ironbite on January 15, 2012, 03:04:02 am
WOOT!

Ironbite-score one for sanity.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on January 15, 2012, 04:29:56 am
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Indeed. Someone with the audacity to rape someone in a public restroom would not be stopped just because a sign indicated that restroom was not meant for persons of the rapist’s sex.

This. I don't think a man would go into the bathroom for a pee, see a woman in there, and think, "This looks like a good opportunity for a rape." If he's really going to rape someone, not being allowed in a woman's restroom isn't going to stop him.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 15, 2012, 06:10:52 am
WOOT!

Ironbite-score one for sanity.

It bears repeating.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: SpaceProg on January 15, 2012, 07:53:35 am
Well... I guess I'll eat crow and give TN the credit it's owed.  Good job, neighbor to the north.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: TheL on January 15, 2012, 08:33:41 am
Well... I guess I'll eat crow and give TN the credit it's owed.  Good job, neighbor to the north.

*perks up* Alabama, or Mississippi?
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: SpaceProg on January 15, 2012, 09:11:35 am
Well... I guess I'll eat crow and give TN the credit it's owed.  Good job, neighbor to the north.

*perks up* Alabama, or Mississippi?

Sorry.  I'm in Georgia. *Shrugs*
Nothing against AL or MS though.
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: N. De Plume on January 15, 2012, 03:36:11 pm
Way to go, Tennessee! :D
Title: Re: Tennessee gets even more stupid
Post by: Sylvana on January 16, 2012, 03:04:24 am
Well done for this bill not being passed, it shows that at least someone knows the constitution.

With regards to having gender separated changing rooms, I feel there is at least some reason for them. I went cloths shopping a while back and the changing rooms were not separated by gender, this wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for each stall basically having multiple holes into the adjacent stalls. I was pretty sure that the person next to me was peeping on me, after all, I don't see a reason for a person to be in a changing room, with their knees on the floor. (the knees were visible under stall wall.) Recently though, I went shopping and the store had changed the policy and implemented gender separate stalls. This time there were no holes in the walls.

I am not saying that a gender separated changing rooms will prevent anything, but I am inclined to think that doing so reduces vandalism as people who might have wanted to peek would be less inclined to do so and so wouldn't be knocking holes in the walls or every stall.