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Title: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 28, 2018, 08:20:18 pm
I realized that I made a mistake when tracing the legitimate heir to the thrones of England, Normandy, and Ireland. I corrected the mistake and traced the rightful heir who turns out to be this guy. https://www.geni.com/people/Charles-Antoine-de-Ligne-de-La-Trémoïlle-prince-de-Ligne/6000000010050083985

I was also recently visited by my parallel self from a parallel universe and a wizard merged us into one causing me to have memories from the parallel universe so now I am going to write about what happened in that universe to promote the English monarchist legitimist cause and how the rightful heirs can be restored and to teach a lesson on extramarital sex. It often causes disasters, though it is rare that it causes a Kingdom to fall like it did in the parallel universe, debunking Art’s argument that the Kingdom falling over a cuckold makes the form of government shitty.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 28, 2018, 08:25:07 pm
For fuck's sake, dude. Just accept that you're always going to fuck up at this and throw in the towel. Even your parallel universe self is probably fed up with this shit by now.
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debunking Art’s argument that the Kingdom falling over a cuckold makes the form of government shitty.
If it can happen at all, your government is shit. End of story. You may disagree, but us democrats have somewhat higher standards than you.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: dpareja on August 28, 2018, 09:39:01 pm
http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8017.msg319625#msg319625
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 28, 2018, 09:40:51 pm
Moar jeans kink, bored now!
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 29, 2018, 01:45:12 am
For fuck's sake, dude. Just accept that you're always going to fuck up at this and throw in the towel. Even your parallel universe self is probably fed up with this shit by now.
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debunking Art’s argument that the Kingdom falling over a cuckold makes the form of government shitty.
If it can happen at all, your government is shit. End of story. You may disagree, but us democrats have somewhat higher standards than you.

As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 29, 2018, 02:10:28 am
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 29, 2018, 02:11:37 am
As an aside, how long before the self-appointed English patriot finds yet another French guy that he wants to be king? Personally, I give it a week at most.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: dpareja on August 29, 2018, 02:22:24 am
http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8017.msg319625#msg319625
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: niam2023 on August 29, 2018, 02:48:51 am
For fuck's sake, dude. Just accept that you're always going to fuck up at this and throw in the towel. Even your parallel universe self is probably fed up with this shit by now.
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debunking Art’s argument that the Kingdom falling over a cuckold makes the form of government shitty.
If it can happen at all, your government is shit. End of story. You may disagree, but us democrats have somewhat higher standards than you.

...WHEN.

When did you read my Parallel Hero notes, Art you unbelievable wizard.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2018, 04:17:51 am
Democratic nation doesn't topple when one politician does something unethical or illegal. And firing the president and all other politicians is part of the systems functions when they do something wrong. So, unless someone mabages to change the coumtry from democracy to something else the country has not failed.

Meanwhile in a monarchy, accidental deaths or even a dispute over who should inherit the throne can destroy the country or at the very least change the ruling family.

And that's just few of the many reasons why democracy is the least bad form of empowering the rulers of a nation.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 29, 2018, 08:17:42 am
Democratic nation doesn't topple when one politician does something unethical or illegal. And firing the president and all other politicians is part of the systems functions when they do something wrong. So, unless someone mabages to change the coumtry from democracy to something else the country has not failed.

Meanwhile in a monarchy, accidental deaths or even a dispute over who should inherit the throne can destroy the country or at the very least change the ruling family.

And that's just few of the many reasons why democracy is the least bad form of empowering the rulers of a nation.

An impeachment over a political scandal can cause a political crisis that can affect the countries stability. So a democracy has an equal probability of becoming unstable.

If a monarch dies, there is a stable system of succession, and the succession laws can prevent succession disputes. The best succession system which was done in most European Kingdoms was male preference primogeniture, because it makes a royal hose last for a long time, but has an efficient system, in case a monarch has only daughters.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 29, 2018, 08:18:50 am
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2018, 10:14:33 am
Democratic nation doesn't topple when one politician does something unethical or illegal. And firing the president and all other politicians is part of the systems functions when they do something wrong. So, unless someone mabages to change the coumtry from democracy to something else the country has not failed.

Meanwhile in a monarchy, accidental deaths or even a dispute over who should inherit the throne can destroy the country or at the very least change the ruling family.

And that's just few of the many reasons why democracy is the least bad form of empowering the rulers of a nation.

An impeachment over a political scandal can cause a political crisis that can affect the countries stability. So a democracy has an equal probability of becoming unstable.

If a monarch dies, there is a stable system of succession, and the succession laws can prevent succession disputes. The best succession system which was done in most European Kingdoms was male preference primogeniture, because it makes a royal hose last for a long time, but has an efficient system, in case a monarch has only daughters.

Do you even read what you are typing before pressing "post?"

If you have an insane king that the people overthrow, or there's a succession war between different heirs or anything like that, it basically results in the original line ending and a new ruler taking the throne.

Meanwhile, politicians have been arrested for crimes or lost their seats due to incapability to do their duties but this has been built into the system and it does not deligitimize the democratic leadership. I'd even argue that holding your leaders to be under the same laws as everyone else is proof of strong democratic foundation.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 29, 2018, 11:16:10 am
Democratic nation doesn't topple when one politician does something unethical or illegal. And firing the president and all other politicians is part of the systems functions when they do something wrong. So, unless someone mabages to change the coumtry from democracy to something else the country has not failed.

Meanwhile in a monarchy, accidental deaths or even a dispute over who should inherit the throne can destroy the country or at the very least change the ruling family.

And that's just few of the many reasons why democracy is the least bad form of empowering the rulers of a nation.

An impeachment over a political scandal can cause a political crisis that can affect the countries stability. So a democracy has an equal probability of becoming unstable.

If a monarch dies, there is a stable system of succession, and the succession laws can prevent succession disputes. The best succession system which was done in most European Kingdoms was male preference primogeniture, because it makes a royal hose last for a long time, but has an efficient system, in case a monarch has only daughters.

Do you even read what you are typing before pressing "post?"

If you have an insane king that the people overthrow, or there's a succession war between different heirs or anything like that, it basically results in the original line ending and a new ruler taking the throne.

Meanwhile, politicians have been arrested for crimes or lost their seats due to incapability to do their duties but this has been built into the system and it does not deligitimize the democratic leadership. I'd even argue that holding your leaders to be under the same laws as everyone else is proof of strong democratic foundation.

Well the succession can stay stable after the overthrow of an insane King by having his eldest son put on the throne. Andif there is a succession war, hopefully the rightful heir will win.

The transition of power when a politician gets impeached can be unstable when there are two rival political parties, which can cause a government shutdown or hung parliament.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Skybison on August 29, 2018, 01:18:10 pm
^Which can be an issue, but generally don't result in civil wars.  Royal succession crisis however caused civil wars countless times.  Avoiding civil wars is a far higher priority then whatever bullshit you want.

Anyway DIRECT QUESTION

What will you do if this guy you think should be king doesn't agree with your ideology and wants nothing to do with monarchy?
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2018, 01:51:27 pm
I find it amusing that wars and turmoil are totally cool as long as "DER RIGHTFUL HEIR!" takes the throne afterwards.

Meanwhile a month or two of having a temporary government before electing a new one (or in case of simply removal/death of a president, having the vice-president or equivalent rule instead) is somehow proof that democracy doesn't work.

Really, have you ever seen politicians die during their term or get kicked out? Because both have happened in Finland. Heck, Kekkonen dying was no problem for democracy at all (long story) and several parliament members have been kicked out from their job and replaced due to corruption or shenanigans.

But when you do that to a king the line of succession breaks. Even the best case scenario is proof that inherited position of king has failed. If the king had been from a "better" line or if they had divine mandate then why did someone like that get the position? And if they are no better than the average mortal then why should their kids get to be the next rulers? At least the Swedish kings of old were elected democratically (yeah, they were basically a "president for life" in all but name) and until one of them decided to make his son the next king and take away democracy for a few centuries they really had the best way to handle monarchy the planet has seen. ...And even then term limits that democracy (usually) has is an even better improvement on that.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 29, 2018, 03:17:21 pm
I find it amusing that wars and turmoil are totally cool as long as "DER RIGHTFUL HEIR!" takes the throne afterwards.

Meanwhile a month or two of having a temporary government before electing a new one (or in case of simply removal/death of a president, having the vice-president or equivalent rule instead) is somehow proof that democracy doesn't work.

Really, have you ever seen politicians die during their term or get kicked out? Because both have happened in Finland. Heck, Kekkonen dying was no problem for democracy at all (long story) and several parliament members have been kicked out from their job and replaced due to corruption or shenanigans.

But when you do that to a king the line of succession breaks. Even the best case scenario is proof that inherited position of king has failed. If the king had been from a "better" line or if they had divine mandate then why did someone like that get the position? And if they are no better than the average mortal then why should their kids get to be the next rulers? At least the Swedish kings of old were elected democratically (yeah, they were basically a "president for life" in all but name) and until one of them decided to make his son the next king and take away democracy for a few centuries they really had the best way to handle monarchy the planet has seen. ...And even then term limits that democracy (usually) has is an even better improvement on that.

Their kids should be the next rulers because it is part of the nation’s legal structure. Overthrowing a bad King and putting his son on the throne sets a precedent that the Kings must be good rulers or otherwise they’ll be overthrown. More often than not, the succession of the throne will be stable.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 29, 2018, 03:19:16 pm
^Which can be an issue, but generally don't result in civil wars.  Royal succession crisis however caused civil wars countless times.  Avoiding civil wars is a far higher priority then whatever bullshit you want.

Anyway DIRECT QUESTION

What will you do if this guy you think should be king doesn't agree with your ideology and wants nothing to do with monarchy?

Well specifics in succession laws can prevent succession crisis is. And if this guy does not want to pursue his rightful throne then a future grandson of the direct line should be kidnapped and raised to want to pursue the throne.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 29, 2018, 04:33:00 pm
If Jacob actually got his mad little scheme underway it would have been not one but several kidnappings as he trashed around the internet "finding" Troo Hires to the Frone. There's the makings of a great slapstick comedy here!
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: dpareja on August 29, 2018, 04:49:22 pm
You keep forgetting who the lawful monarch of the Commonwealth Realms is, as established by the Act of Settlement.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 29, 2018, 06:27:31 pm
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 29, 2018, 08:31:26 pm
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 29, 2018, 08:43:42 pm
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.

Oh, I'm sure there are. In fact, there are probably even parallel universes where you're not full of shit.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 29, 2018, 08:44:43 pm
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.
And there are fantasy universes where the Daleks have taken over yet I remain unconcerned about incursions by squawking, sociopathic pepper pots
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: ironbite on August 31, 2018, 08:21:07 am
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.

Oh, I'm sure there are. In fact, there are probably even parallel universes where you're not full of shit.

No Jacob being full of shit is pretty much a universal constant.

Ironbite-I checked.
Title: Re: Another important announcement
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 31, 2018, 02:57:17 pm
I can't think of any other so-called "important announcements" that I've found less important than these.