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Community => Science and Technology => Topic started by: Souriquois on May 16, 2016, 02:18:26 pm
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HBD - Stands for Human Biodiversity, and all aboard the crazy train to nutjobsville!
An article explaining HBD:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1/12/1178414/-Racism-has-a-new-name-HBD
You need to see this quackery. I have spent years trolling them, these guys believe in Victorian Era to Nazi era scientific racism. In fact, a lot of them are neo-Nazis. But they try to find scientific explanations (or at least come up with pseudo-scientific theories) to human behaviour, or at least how they THINK humans should behave. Basically, a lot of them believe if you are not a racist, sexist, right-wing nutjob, you are "going against nature".
These guys get a 23andme test, read some blogs, and all of a sudden think they are experts on genetics.
Some theories they came up with:
Why is Canada's political culture left-of-centre? It is cold in Canada, they should be right-wingers to survive in such a cold environment (although leftism "goes against nature" because it allows the "genetically inferior" to survive, hence it is evil).
Leftism is a natural inclination of women and non-white people. The white man needs to rule with right-wing politics as a result.
Alpha and beta males are a thing.
Black people are genetically better fit to play basketball.
Men are genetically better fit to write code.
Women are genetically predisposed to being consumers, they don't contribute to society.
The Nordic race is the most intelligent race on the planet.
Here is a site:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com
And don't get me started on the founder lol
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If the Nordic race (whatever that means - what, are Frenchmen fundamentally different from Danes now?) is the most intelligent, then why do Chinese and Japanese people kick their ass in all the sciences all the time?
Explain that!
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God, these people are worse at genetics than Liquid Snake!
(http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aDmVb4N_700b.jpg)
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If the Nordic race (whatever that means - what, are Frenchmen fundamentally different from Danes now?) is the most intelligent, then why do Chinese and Japanese people kick their ass in all the sciences all the time?
Explain that!
Apparently the French are different, being mixed with "lesser races".
And their claim about Chinese and Japanese is that yes, they are good at science, but they lack the imagination that the white man has. See, they can do stuff as long as instructed, and then they are better at white people than doing that thing, but only white people can come up with new things.
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If the Nordic race (whatever that means - what, are Frenchmen fundamentally different from Danes now?) is the most intelligent, then why do Chinese and Japanese people kick their ass in all the sciences all the time?
Explain that!
Apparently the French are different, being mixed with "lesser races".
And their claim about Chinese and Japanese is that yes, they are good at science, but they lack the imagination that the white man has. See, they can do stuff as long as instructed, and then they are better at white people than doing that thing, but only white people can come up with new things.
Paper. Gunpowder. Both inventions that revolutionized the world. Both invented in China.
Man it is so easy to rebut these people.
Also the Danes are just as mixed as the French are. It's silly to think otherwise.
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If the Nordic race (whatever that means - what, are Frenchmen fundamentally different from Danes now?) is the most intelligent, then why do Chinese and Japanese people kick their ass in all the sciences all the time?
Explain that!
Apparently the French are different, being mixed with "lesser races".
And their claim about Chinese and Japanese is that yes, they are good at science, but they lack the imagination that the white man has. See, they can do stuff as long as instructed, and then they are better at white people than doing that thing, but only white people can come up with new things.
Paper. Gunpowder. Both inventions that revolutionized the world. Both invented in China.
Man it is so easy to rebut these people.
Also the Danes are just as mixed as the French are. It's silly to think otherwise.
Rebuting these people is not so easy. They will claim "LIBRUH BIAS!"
Someone accused me of trying to "liberalize science" because I posted a link to a study about how women are actively discouraged from trying pursue a career in science. He believes men are genetically predisposed to being better at science, and that women are incapable of doing it.
But, I did run intellectual circles around him and made an ass of him, so he ran with his tail between his legs to another HBD forum. Not after insulting me, of course. I get insulted by these HBDers a lot. And yeah I am evil liberal scum because of it lol.
If I call them racist or sexist, they will flip out, because they believe they are not racist or sexist, just speaking about real science. They are neutral. The mainstream is biased and suppressing this because it's not "politically correct". One HBDer from Sweden declared me his enemy. lol. I got his mind.
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I mean, even if you want to claim racial advantages at science are a thing, clearly the obvious winning ethnic group is Ashkenazi Jews, not the the nordics.
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I mean, even if you want to claim racial advantages at science are a thing, clearly the obvious winning ethnic group is Ashkenazi Jews, not the the nordics.
They claims Ashkenazi Jews are parasites though. Well, the while "Semitic race" is. They're smart to more effectively parasite off whomever they are living amongst
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I mean, even if you want to claim racial advantages at science are a thing, clearly the obvious winning ethnic group is Ashkenazi Jews, not the the nordics.
They claims Ashkenazi Jews are parasites though. Well, the while "Semitic race" is. They're smart to more effectively parasite off whomever they are living amongst
...which would still make them smart. But they got disqualified because Jews aren't allowed to win contests by white-power conspiracy theorists.
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Behold a sample of the Master Race! Tremble in Awe, ye cucks!
(http://i.imgur.com/tum53gq.jpg)
See the imposing beauty of their Aryan traits? How their innate superiority is so deftly hidden behind fetal alcohol syndrome facial features?
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Behold a sample of the Master Race! Tremble in Awe, ye cucks!
(http://i.imgur.com/tum53gq.jpg)
See the imposing beauty of their Aryan traits? How their innate superiority is so deftly hidden behind fetal alcohol syndrome facial features?
They obviously have some *insert Carlton Coonesque anthropological term here* features, which makes them inferior.
These guys will do some mental gymnastics to make their case.
And LOL@ "cuck". Haha
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Behold a sample of the Master Race! Tremble in Awe, ye cucks!
(http://i.imgur.com/tum53gq.jpg)
See the imposing beauty of their Aryan traits? How their innate superiority is so deftly hidden behind fetal alcohol syndrome facial features?
Ya know, if your head is so obviously pointy it's a really bad idea to shave it.
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Today in HBD craziness from my favourite Swede on these forums:
Should women be able to vote?
Or should we ban progressives, multiculturalists and Muslims from voting?
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/13266017_617720225043092_5048214614972258462_n.jpg?oh=72d938399132ee005c6a430d6aa069e7&oe=57E24393)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13232930_617720235043091_5112296596965898137_n.jpg?oh=c076b1f4c2c8d9422cd9860a8f0472d8&oe=57C95048)
Swedes tend to be overrepresented in HBD btw.
Well, scientific racism started in Sweden.
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And here is an HBD gem. Poster from, you guessed it, Sweden (they're always from Sweden):
I have been saying for a long time now that patriarchy is the natural order of things for our species. Any species that has significant sexual dimorphism between the genders will have one dominant gender and one submissive. And we can easily observe both in physical and mental aspects that men are the dominant gender and women are the submissive.
Women have 10% smaller brains on average, around 5 IQ points less on average, and a smaller deviation, meaning at the high extreme of IQ men far outnumber women. Men are much faster, stronger, more durable, logical and rational on average. Testosterone allow men to take more risks and be more creative, striving to bring humanity forward. While women are afraid of risks because they evolved this way (due to having the instinct to have progeny and being able to protect it with the help of the most suitable male among other factors). This is why women have less independent thought and are more easily swayed by the opinions of others, especially from others with authority, ie group thinking.
I dont necessarily think women should have less rights due to being the biologically inferior gender, but they should be happy to have as many rights and privileges as they have now (even more than men in some regards) instead of whining and complaining about how "oppressed" they are. And the government should pay less attention to feminists and cater less to womens demands in the future since women already have equal opportunity in life as men have. As soon as artificial wombs are available in large quantity, then childbirth is no longer in control of women alone, and thus the government no longer need to keep women satisfied in order to have a steady birthrate.
(which they still failed to do despite trying to keep women as happy as possible, all because of hypergamy and women wanting to have it all (great career, marriage and children) but end up failing and thus a lot less children are born regardless)
I hope when that happens we will have a true meritocracy, because that is the only thing that is "fair", when it comes to voting, our votes doesnt really affect much anyway, the west doesnt really follow a true democratic system, and many things are probably rigged and only makes us believe our votes matter. I dont really care but i would really like to get rid of crap like affirmative action and quotation laws, and less focus on past events and "equality" which is pretty much impossible to achieve.
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Not a single citation in his entire high IQ rant, quelle surprise.
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Not a single citation in his entire high IQ rant, quelle surprise.
Nope. Because all science sources would be liberal biased, of course
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Today in HBD craziness from my favourite Swede on these forums:
Should women be able to vote?
Or should we ban progressives, multiculturalists and Muslims from voting?
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/13266017_617720225043092_5048214614972258462_n.jpg?oh=72d938399132ee005c6a430d6aa069e7&oe=57E24393)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13232930_617720235043091_5112296596965898137_n.jpg?oh=c076b1f4c2c8d9422cd9860a8f0472d8&oe=57C95048)
Swedes tend to be overrepresented in HBD btw.
Well, scientific racism started in Sweden.
This makes the alt-right obsession with Sweden being "cucked" even more hilariously pathetic.
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leftism "goes against nature" because it allows the "genetically inferior" to survive, hence it is evil
Well, claims to at least.
In reality you need the massive diebacks due to hilariously retarded agricultural policy to thin out the horde of proles. Luckily leftist governments have that shit down to an art.
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This makes the alt-right obsession with Sweden being "cucked" even more hilariously pathetic.
The alt right has moved onto Canada now.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/04/13/youve-heard-of-cuckservatives-make-way-for-cucknadians/
Well, if my country pisses off the alt right, it means we are doing something right.
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leftism "goes against nature" because it allows the "genetically inferior" to survive, hence it is evil
Well, claims to at least.
In reality you need the massive diebacks due to hilariously retarded agricultural policy to thin out the horde of proles. Luckily leftist governments have that shit down to an art.
A proponent of eugenics getting all misty eyed at murderous policies huh?
*cough*
Because 'murica gave up on the eugenics thing after Hitler made it unpopular in the 40s and now your family trees look more like spiderwebs.
No, no-only kill the disabled peasants for our Tory contrarian, the able bodied among them could pilot his rickshaw!
Why am I not surprised to see you in a "human biodiversity" thread?
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leftism "goes against nature" because it allows the "genetically inferior" to survive, hence it is evil
Well, claims to at least.
In reality you need the massive diebacks due to hilariously retarded agricultural policy to thin out the horde of proles. Luckily leftist governments have that shit down to an art.
A proponent of eugenics getting all misty eyed at murderous policies huh?
*cough*
Because 'murica gave up on the eugenics thing after Hitler made it unpopular in the 40s and now your family trees look more like spiderwebs.
No, no-only kill the disabled peasants for our Tory contrarian, the able bodied among them could pilot his rickshaw!
Why am I not surprised to see you in a "human biodiversity" thread?
Let me guess, you think the haemophilia and extra digits you got from all four of your great grandparents are a feature rather than a bug eh?
Criticism of incest really seems to get to you lol.
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In fairness Askold, I baited him by bringing up his support for eugenics. However obnoxious his views I should keep that sort of thing constrained to F&B myself.
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I am not disapproving of eugenics. It just historically went after the wrong people.
There are some people who just, for the better of society, need to be shot.
With the rise of Donald Trump, Americans are fortunate enough to have large groups of these types of people in the same place. I say chain the doors shut to the building when a Trump rally is happening and light it on fire.
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I am not disapproving of eugenics. It just historically went after the wrong people.
Eugenics got off to a daft and primitive start, which has kind of fucked the entire concept.
A simple process of embryonic screening could do away with heritable diseases within a generation. All that euthanising the handicapped and sterilising unwed mothers stuff you 'merkins copied off the Nazis before your unfashionably late entry into the war was just unnecessary.
Doesn't stop most of your population basically being rejected extras from Deliverance, mind...
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Firstly, citation needed. Secondly it requires the cooperation of all adults with heritable diseases-to say nothing of teens and accidental pregnancies. The whole plan falls down unless you can enforce abortions and/ or sterilizations on those you deem "unfit". Good luck.
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I am not disapproving of eugenics. It just historically went after the wrong people.
Eugenics got off to a daft and primitive start, which has kind of fucked the entire concept.
A simple process of embryonic screening could do away with heritable diseases within a generation. All that euthanising the handicapped and sterilising unwed mothers stuff you 'merkins copied off the Nazis before your unfashionably late entry into the war was just unnecessary.
Doesn't stop most of your population basically being rejected extras from Deliverance, mind...
I am not American.
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I am not disapproving of eugenics. It just historically went after the wrong people.
Eugenics got off to a daft and primitive start, which has kind of fucked the entire concept.
A simple process of embryonic screening could do away with heritable diseases within a generation. All that euthanising the handicapped and sterilising unwed mothers stuff you 'merkins copied off the Nazis before your unfashionably late entry into the war was just unnecessary.
Doesn't stop most of your population basically being rejected extras from Deliverance, mind...
...and the moment they find genetic correlates with things that are not, in fact, diseases, but still socially undesirable? Or are you going to argue that 21st century society is so enlightened we could never do something stupid with that? Because I think that goes against your shtick.
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I am not disapproving of eugenics. It just historically went after the wrong people.
Eugenics got off to a daft and primitive start, which has kind of fucked the entire concept.
A simple process of embryonic screening could do away with heritable diseases within a generation. All that euthanising the handicapped and sterilising unwed mothers stuff you 'merkins copied off the Nazis before your unfashionably late entry into the war was just unnecessary.
Doesn't stop most of your population basically being rejected extras from Deliverance, mind...
...and the moment they find genetic correlates with things that are not, in fact, diseases, but still socially undesirable? Or are you going to argue that 21st century society is so enlightened we could never do something stupid with that? Because I think that goes against your shtick.
Exactly. I posted quotes from an HBD forum where they were discussing whether women should be allowed to vote (really). The justification for "no" is women tend to vote for "leftist" parties (should be noted, anything left of right-wing nutjob is a leftist).
Geneticists have found a gene that predicts somebody's political orientation more accurately then the orientation of one's parents. I wouldn"t put it past the far-right to use eugenics against carriers of the gene.
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Geneticists have found a gene that predicts somebody's political orientation more accurately then the orientation of one's parents.
The threshold for accuracy in pop science is depressingly low; "Scientists find a gene for X" headlines even moreso.
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I am not disapproving of eugenics. It just historically went after the wrong people.
Eugenics got off to a daft and primitive start, which has kind of fucked the entire concept.
A simple process of embryonic screening could do away with heritable diseases within a generation. All that euthanising the handicapped and sterilising unwed mothers stuff you 'merkins copied off the Nazis before your unfashionably late entry into the war was just unnecessary.
Doesn't stop most of your population basically being rejected extras from Deliverance, mind...
...and the moment they find genetic correlates with things that are not, in fact, diseases, but still socially undesirable? Or are you going to argue that 21st century society is so enlightened we could never do something stupid with that? Because I think that goes against your shtick.
Oh I think we definitely have found a genetically heritable condition that's considered socially undesirable. Luckily, modern academics like Noel Ignatiev are already working a final solution to this problem.
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Who what where?
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Who what where?
I had to look it up myself. Noel Ignatiev is a critical race theorist infamous for promoting the idea of "abolishing whiteness and the white race", which apparently involves criticizing white people, from what I could tell.
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Who what where?
The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. Of course we expected bewilderment from people who still think of race as biology. We frequently get letters accusing us of being "racists," just like the KKK, and have even been called a "hate group." ... (http://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html)
- Noel Ignatiev (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev), tenured professor.
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Who what where?
I had to look it up myself. Noel Ignatiev is a critical race theorist infamous for promoting the idea of "abolishing whiteness and the white race", which apparently involves criticizing white people, from what I could tell.
...and asking his white students to commit suicide.
Because that's apparently totally acceptable in this day and age :)
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So, a historian who sees race as a social construct and the concept of white race or whiteness as a central problem talks about abolishing white race. Of course, that means promoting an actual genocide instead of a call to abolish the concept of white race with a provocative choice of words.
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So, a historian who sees race as a social construct and the concept of white race or whiteness as a central problem talks about abolishing white race. Of course, that means promoting an actual genocide instead of a call to abolish the concept of white race with a provocative choice of words.
No, backflip harder!
These mental gymnastics are fun to watch.
If he's talking about the death of a social construct and not people, why is he advocating for the deaths of people? Fuck's sake...
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Gonna need a source on the whole "asking white people to commit suicide" bit.
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So, a historian who sees race as a social construct and the concept of white race or whiteness as a central problem talks about abolishing white race. Of course, that means promoting an actual genocide instead of a call to abolish the concept of white race with a provocative choice of words.
No, backflip harder!
These mental gymnastics are fun to watch.
If he's talking about the death of a social construct and not people, why is he advocating for the deaths of people? Fuck's sake...
Ï'm genuinely prepared to be corrected. I checked the Finnish translations of "abolish" before posting to be certain I've understood the sentence right and the definitions I got supported and strengthened my interpretation. An academic usually uses very precise language when writing something that is to be published and the radical ones often like to use provocative language to get discussion riled up.
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Are we really fearing white genocide at the hands of academics pontificating over theories of race as a social construct? Really?
Because that has to be the daftest conservative social panic since Satanic D&D games and rainbow parties. Conty the honkies will be fine, there's bloody millions of us spread over several continents. Calm down old chap!
And yes, I get H word privileges. Don't fret, there'll be plenty of pasty types in the morning.
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Are we really fearing white genocide at the hands of academics pontificating over theories of race as a social construct? Really?
You heard it here first, people with dangerously loony beliefs being able to influence the education of large numbers of impressionable young minds isn't a cause for concern.
Nothing to see here, look away.
Why don't we just let flat earthers and creationists push their way into positions of influence in academia then? You obviously don't think they will abuse their positions to disseminate their horrible bullshit to the masses.
Unless maybe you're applying that good old leftist double standard because you agree with his shit?
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Well it is a.concern, for people who panic about sociologists going on about social categories.
The rest of us'll happily leave them to it and worry about things that are objectively scarier, like 80s fashion or earwigs!
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It's adorable when a conservative's interpretation of sociological discourse is on the same level as a tumlbrina/radflake's.
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Who what where?
I had to look it up myself. Noel Ignatiev is a critical race theorist infamous for promoting the idea of "abolishing whiteness and the white race", which apparently involves criticizing white people, from what I could tell.
...and asking his white students to commit suicide.
Because that's apparently totally acceptable in this day and age :)
Yeah, I heard about those outrageous claims, and they seem to have come from a satirical blog post (https://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/progressive-professor-urges-white-male-students-to-commit-suicide-during-class/). I'm not saying the man's above criticism, but criticizing him should be based on fact.
However, in fairness, there was another professor who legitimately did say that (http://www.inquisitr.com/2224117/white-guilt-professor-adam-kotsko-clarifies-comments-that-all-white-people-should-commit-mass-suicide/). Though he later claimed he was joking.
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No single ideology or ethnic group has a monopoly on lunatics or horrible people.
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However, in fairness, there was another professor who legitimately did say that (http://www.inquisitr.com/2224117/white-guilt-professor-adam-kotsko-clarifies-comments-that-all-white-people-should-commit-mass-suicide/). Though he later claimed he was joking.
"In reality, I do not hold that view, nor does anyone else in the entire damn world. Why did I say it, then? I was in dialogue with an obviously bad-faith interlocutor on the subject of race, who clearly wanted to bait me into saying something “offensive,” and out of frustration, I decided I’d give them something to cry about and say something really “offensive” — scare quotes intended. My assumption was that the claim was so obviously hyperbolic that the sarcasm would be immediately evident.”
And yes, in the context it's not only believable but almost obvious he was sarcastic. What I disagree with him, though, is that there almost certainly are some lunatics that really do believe that.
Edit:
If you want someone on the left who really does hold hideous opinions and promotes mass death just look up Pertti Linkola.
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However, in fairness, there was another professor who legitimately did say that (http://www.inquisitr.com/2224117/white-guilt-professor-adam-kotsko-clarifies-comments-that-all-white-people-should-commit-mass-suicide/). Though he later claimed he was joking.
"In reality, I do not hold that view, nor does anyone else in the entire damn world. Why did I say it, then? I was in dialogue with an obviously bad-faith interlocutor on the subject of race, who clearly wanted to bait me into saying something “offensive,” and out of frustration, I decided I’d give them something to cry about and say something really “offensive” — scare quotes intended. My assumption was that the claim was so obviously hyperbolic that the sarcasm would be immediately evident.”
And yes, in the context it's not only believable but almost obvious he was sarcastic. What I disagree with him, though, is that there almost certainly are some lunatics that really do believe that.
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If you want someone on the left who really does hold hideous opinions and promotes mass death just look up Pertti Linkola.
I'm willing to believe that he may have been joking, but I'm not going to judge either way until I know more.
And wow, you weren't kidding about Mr. Linkola. That guy is sick.
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Eugenics got off to a daft and primitive start, which has kind of fucked the entire concept.
A simple process of embryonic screening could do away with heritable diseases within a generation. All that euthanising the handicapped and sterilising unwed mothers stuff you 'merkins copied off the Nazis before your unfashionably late entry into the war was just unnecessary.
Doesn't stop most of your population basically being rejected extras from Deliverance, mind...
...and the moment they find genetic correlates with things that are not, in fact, diseases, but still socially undesirable? Or are you going to argue that 21st century society is so enlightened we could never do something stupid with that? Because I think that goes against your shtick.
Oh I think we definitely have found a genetically heritable condition that's considered socially undesirable. Luckily, modern academics like Noel Ignatiev are already working a final solution to this problem.
omg you're the cutest.
Of course you can't actually, y'know, make an argument, that would be lowering yourself to my level. Instead, you try to deflect into yet another attack on a prog academic, based on you falling for cheap controversy tactics* and then buying wholesale a story coming from the white nationalist equivalent of The Onion (https://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/disclaimer/).
And people wonder why I haven't banned you yet.
*Noel Ignatiev: "We must abolish the white race!... by which I mean white privilege is bad, something any 14-year-old with a tumblr account could tell you, but this way I get more attention"
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And people wonder why I haven't banned you yet.
Is it because he's cute?
I thought it was because it was like boxing with Thalidomide babies. Don't worry his mum will revoke his internet privileges soon enough.
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Conty's trolling used to be fairly entertaining and occasionally he engaged in actual constructive debate. It seems to me he is either losing his touch or I've just got tired of his schtick.
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No, no he's still got it. There's the classic combo of trolling and an atom thin skin. For guffawing at his latest moral panic Conty pondered whether my chuckling was secretly motivated by my moral support for white genocide.
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Who what where?
I had to look it up myself. Noel Ignatiev is a critical race theorist infamous for promoting the idea of "abolishing whiteness and the white race", which apparently involves criticizing white people, from what I could tell.
This is a misconception. It's not "white people" as in people of European descent, but the concept of "whiteness".
White as a name for a group of people did not exist until the Bacon Rebellion in the 17th century, and not even all people of European descent were counted as "white" then. Actually the concept of "white" has changed so many times in history that you know it's BS. There is no scientific basis for it.
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Who what where?
I had to look it up myself. Noel Ignatiev is a critical race theorist infamous for promoting the idea of "abolishing whiteness and the white race", which apparently involves criticizing white people, from what I could tell.
This is a misconception. It's not "white people" as in people of European descent, but the concept of "whiteness".
White as a name for a group of people did not exist until the Bacon Rebellion in the 17th century, and not even all people of European descent were counted as "white" then. Actually the concept of "white" has changed so many times in history that you know it's BS. There is no scientific basis for it.
I was referring less to the ideal he's aiming for and more towards his actions in achieving said goal, which mostly seem to involve criticizing white people. Again, from what I could tell with an extremely cursory analysis.