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Title: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 07, 2012, 06:24:59 am
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_NORWAY_MASSACRE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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As expected, prosecutors on Wednesday charged the 33-year-old right-wing extremist under a paragraph in Norway's anti-terror law that refers to violent acts intended to disrupt key government functions or spread fears in the population.

Breivik has confessed to the July 22 attacks but denies criminal responsibility.

'Bout damn time.

Another link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/07/us-norway-attacks-idUSTRE8260MZ20120307

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The anti-Islam militant whose bomb attack and shooting massacre shocked Norway last summer was formally charged Wednesday with terrorism and the premeditated murder of 77 people as officials prepared for a trial to start next month.

Prosecutors said they would initially seek a sentence of psychiatric care for the admitted killer but might demand 21 years in prison -- Norway's nominal maximum -- if an initial diagnosis of psychosis is contradicted in a second examination.
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Lt. Fred on March 07, 2012, 06:34:57 am
Why didn't they just nab him on a hundred counts of murder?
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 07, 2012, 08:24:23 am
Ask them.

EDIT- charged him with murder too http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/07/us-norway-attacks-idUSTRE8260MZ20120307
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: rtvc2012 on March 07, 2012, 12:36:39 pm
He committed the single worst gun massacre in world history and only gets 21 years?

Talk about a Karma Houdini
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 07, 2012, 12:38:06 pm
Not been sentenced yet.
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on March 07, 2012, 02:31:12 pm
Of course he claims no criminal responsibility.  He probably thinks what he did was justified. >.<
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Askold on March 07, 2012, 02:38:40 pm
I think the sentencing was delayed because of the psychological exams. First test resulted him being declared insane but he claimed that he was just faking it -oh that Breivik, he is such a joker. (Heath Ledger variety, without the good looks.)

With a case this big it will take a while to process everything, the end result will be Breivik spending the rest of his life behind bars -probably separated from other inmates who would kill him- and the only uncertainty is whether it will be in a insane asylum or a jail.

Of course he claims no criminal responsibility.  He probably thinks what he did was justified. >.<

Yeah, I think that is his reasoning.
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: D Laurier on March 07, 2012, 02:44:15 pm
It cant be "terrorism".
 It's only "terrorism" if the person is brown, poor, and seeking actual justice.
Comfortable white assholes cannot be "terrorists", and their actions cannot be "terrorism".

That said. Brevik needs to be paraded past the familys of his victims, and beaten till he appologises to each and every one of them.
This needs to be repeated every year untill he keels over and dies.
All his food must be prepared by a brown muslim, preferably a Palestinian or a Tamili. (this must be done so he can see it.)
His diet must consist of only Arab, Persian, and East Indian cuisine.
His guards must be a mix of muslims, hindus, and Kalihari Bushmen.
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 07, 2012, 03:08:23 pm
It cant be "terrorism".
 It's only "terrorism" if the person is brown, poor, and seeking actual justice.
Comfortable white assholes cannot be "terrorists", and their actions cannot be "terrorism".

Except it was just ruled terrorism, so your sarcastic spite is a wee bit unnecessary :V
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: ironbite on March 07, 2012, 06:08:13 pm
He committed the single worst gun massacre in world history and only gets 21 years?

Talk about a Karma Houdini

That's the max in Norway.
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: erictheblue on March 07, 2012, 06:23:30 pm
He committed the single worst gun massacre in world history and only gets 21 years?

Talk about a Karma Houdini

That's the max in Norway.

Is it the max per charge, or max total? In other words, if they charged him with 77 counts of murder, could he get 77 21-year sentences?
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: ironbite on March 07, 2012, 06:47:08 pm
That I do not know.  All I know is from what's been reported.  If the max is 21 per charge, then he ain't ever getting out.

Ironbite-I'm not a law student...Hint...Hint.
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: kefkaownsall on March 07, 2012, 07:48:23 pm
He committed the single worst gun massacre in world history and only gets 21 years?

Talk about a Karma Houdini

That's the max in Norway.

Is it the max per charge, or max total? In other words, if they charged him with 77 counts of murder, could he get 77 21-year sentences?
He can be kept longer if shown to be a danger
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: booley on March 07, 2012, 08:06:37 pm
He committed the single worst gun massacre in world history and only gets 21 years?

Talk about a Karma Houdini

That's the max in Norway.

I recall the norwegians making an occasional exception for really egregiously evil acts.

Vidkun Quisling, anyone?

Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Stormwarden on March 07, 2012, 08:31:33 pm
As mentioned, he can be kept longer if he's still considered a threat to society. Although, admittedly, given the gravity of his crimes, I'd like it better if he got the Quisling treatment. Normally against the death penalty, but given the slaughter that happened, it would be justified.
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: erictheblue on March 07, 2012, 09:31:02 pm
That I do not know.  All I know is from what's been reported.  If the max is 21 per charge, then he ain't ever getting out.

Ironbite-I'm not a law student...Hint...Hint.

LOL. Somehow, I knew someone would say that. Sadly, though, I don't know any ways to check laws outside the US. State and Federal laws here - no problem. Other countries, not so much...  :-[
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: kefkaownsall on March 07, 2012, 09:36:29 pm
As mentioned, he can be kept longer if he's still considered a threat to society. Although, admittedly, given the gravity of his crimes, I'd like it better if he got the Quisling treatment. Normally against the death penalty, but given the slaughter that happened, it would be justified.
I'd be surprised if they didn't keep him longer even if he became a totally perfect person.  Although I'm surprised they are calling this terrorism (not the act but I thought people were saying too mentally ill to commit crime)
Title: Re: Our Good Friend Breivik Indicted Under Anti-Terror Law
Post by: Atheissimo on March 07, 2012, 10:05:28 pm
He committed the single worst gun massacre in world history and only gets 21 years?

Talk about a Karma Houdini

That's the max in Norway.

Is it the max per charge, or max total? In other words, if they charged him with 77 counts of murder, could he get 77 21-year sentences?

Nope. Norway, along with much of Europe, practises concurrent sentencing. This means that a person can be convicted of seventeen counts of murder, each sentence attracting 21 years, but will serve all of these sentences simultaneously. So basically no matter how many murders you commit you'll only be in prison for the length of the longest sentence. If you commit a double murder, getting a 17 year sentence and a 30 year sentence, you'll serve 30 years rather than 47.

However, in some cases you can be imprisoned for life. I know in the UK the 'Moors Murderers' Myra Hindley and Ian Brady were sentenced to life and will die in prison (Hindley died at Her Majesty's Prison Highpoint in 2002 and Brady is in a secure psychiatric hospital). However, if it is true that Norwegian maximum sentence is 21 years then unless they change the law just for him he may well get out in that amount of time.