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Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« on: May 07, 2017, 05:25:06 pm »
Let us celebrate the new President of France, Emmanuel Macron!

He defeated his rival, a Neo-Nazi dingbat, 64 to 35 percent. Which is really how our election should have gone, if the United States was a sane country. I think this is a sign of defeat for racist far right wing parties that appeal to bogards and Daily Stormer reading lunatics - the far right has lost its momentum and thankfully responsible, calmer heads prevailed. Fascism has been dealt a blow today.

And of course the far right is in freak out mode - not only did they utterly fail to meme LePen to victory, but they've angered a significant number of the French with their attempts to influence the election.

A good day amidst a large number of bad ones.
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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2017, 05:27:44 pm »
Let us celebrate the new President of France, Emmanuel Macron!

He defeated his rival, a Neo-Nazi dingbat, 64 to 35 percent. Which is really how our election should have gone, if the United States was a sane country. I think this is a sign of defeat for racist far right wing parties that appeal to bogards and Daily Stormer reading lunatics - the far right has lost its momentum and thankfully responsible, calmer heads prevailed. Fascism has been dealt a blow today.

And of course the far right is in freak out mode - not only did they utterly fail to meme LePen to victory, but they've angered a significant number of the French with their attempts to influence the election.

A good day amidst a large number of bad ones.

eh, the Tories in England have been cozying up to UKIP as of late, and they're slated to win fairly easily.

It's good for France and for the rest of the EU, particularly Germany. Not really informative of global trends, though.
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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2017, 05:40:10 pm »
I say we should take our victories as they come and treasure them. It will do far better for morale than remaining in a constant state of looking for worse news.
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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2017, 10:25:26 pm »
I hope this hurts the cockiness of the alt right. They've been riding their high horse for a while now.

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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2017, 11:34:51 pm »
yeah - they tried to meme LePen to victory, and even tried pulling a BUT MACRON'S EMAILS!...and all it did was piss off the French, possibly swaying the results even further toward Macron.

I've heard they're freaking out, and given Macron has said he intends to make Brexit difficult and painful if they wanna persist with that, it looks like that far right endeavor might not go through as well.

Finally, good news and the alt right got knocked off that horse they were riding since Trump stole the election.
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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2017, 12:54:50 am »
A win's a win. I'll take it.


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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2017, 02:53:05 am »
The only people going "BUT HIS EMAILS" seem to be American Alt-Nazis.

And basically this was a case of someone breaking into a house, going through the owners mail, taking the stolen stuff to public and screaming "look at this! Maybe he has done something bad! Go through his letters and see! This is actually about ethics in gaming journalism!"

And then random Redditors who also post on Teh_Donnie go "I for one support freedom of speech and neutrality of press. It would be better if someone had hacke Le PEn as well but since we got this whistleblower now why don't we look at his emails and see if he did something wrong. Just playing the devil's advocate. Don't really get why you people seem so upset about this."
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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 04:00:35 am »

I've heard they're freaking out, and given Macron has said he intends to make Brexit difficult and painful if they wanna persist with that, it looks like that far right endeavor might not go through as well.

Brexit isn't just a far-right thing, I can think of a handful of leftist reasons to vote pro-Brexit, I could probably articulate those when I'm more awake than I am presently.

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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 04:15:05 am »

I've heard they're freaking out, and given Macron has said he intends to make Brexit difficult and painful if they wanna persist with that, it looks like that far right endeavor might not go through as well.

Brexit isn't just a far-right thing, I can think of a handful of leftist reasons to vote pro-Brexit, I could probably articulate those when I'm more awake than I am presently.

Yes, it is - it was cooked up by nationalist interests, promoted by such figures as Nigel Farage, and the people most involved with it were well known for their Russian contacts, and Putin has always had reason to want people out of the EU. Makes it easier for him to conquer more territory.
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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 04:22:48 am »

I've heard they're freaking out, and given Macron has said he intends to make Brexit difficult and painful if they wanna persist with that, it looks like that far right endeavor might not go through as well.

Brexit isn't just a far-right thing, I can think of a handful of leftist reasons to vote pro-Brexit, I could probably articulate those when I'm more awake than I am presently.

Yes, it is - it was cooked up by nationalist interests, promoted by such figures as Nigel Farage, and the people most involved with it were well known for their Russian contacts, and Putin has always had reason to want people out of the EU. Makes it easier for him to conquer more territory.

Since I'm about to head to sleep I'll give you some reading material instead of going into great personal detail on why a Leftist may want to leave the EU.

http://socialistreview.org.uk/404/eu-referendum-should-we-stay-or-should-we-go
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/16/brexit-eu-referendum-boris-johnson-greece-tory
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/06/leave-european-union-brexit-ukip-corbyn-cameron/
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/john-king-left-wing-case-leaving-eu

None of these sources would have any reason to assist Putin, the EU has a lot of detractors from across the political spectrum, there is no one "official" leftist stance about that organization.

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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 06:22:01 am »
If memory serves, the EU is a bureaucratic, austerity-driven fuckstorm and has been for some time, now.  When faced with the uphill battle of reform or the more simple getting the fuck outta Dodge, folks tend towards the simpler solution.  While there was a tonne of racism and shit behind it, I doubt it'd have gained as much of a following as it did had the EU gotten its head removed from the depths of its own anus and kicked the rich retards out, replacing them with actual people that know what the fuck they're doing.
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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 07:11:27 am »
Yeah, there is a strong case to be made from the left wing perspective that EU in its current form does more harm than good despite being a good idea in principle. On the other hand, leaving it is not easy and EU has a lot of incentives to make things difficult for any country that chooses to leave. I agree with Yannis Varoufakis's opinion that in the current political climate the far right is in a much more better position to take advantage of the destruction of the status quo than the left is.

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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2017, 07:44:40 am »
The only people going "BUT HIS EMAILS" seem to be American Alt-Nazis.

And basically this was a case of someone breaking into a house, going through the owners mail, taking the stolen stuff to public and screaming "look at this! Maybe he has done something bad! Go through his letters and see! This is actually about ethics in gaming journalism!"

And then random Redditors who also post on Teh_Donnie go "I for one support freedom of speech and neutrality of press. It would be better if someone had hacke Le PEn as well but since we got this whistleblower now why don't we look at his emails and see if he did something wrong. Just playing the devil's advocate. Don't really get why you people seem so upset about this."

Yeah about the "BUT HIS EMAILS!" stuff.  Turns out Macron was one step ahead and planted fake emails for the Russian hackers to find.  Basically made Wikileaks out to be idiots is what he did.

Ironbite-hopefully this starts a trend to not trusting Wikileaks.

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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2017, 08:36:47 am »
Yeah about the "BUT HIS EMAILS!" stuff.  Turns out Macron was one step ahead and planted fake emails for the Russian hackers to find.  Basically made Wikileaks out to be idiots is what he did.

Ironbite-hopefully this starts a trend to not trusting Wikileaks.

Fake emails? I've read that his campaign spammed the phishing pages with mostly fake user IDs. This forced the hackers to waste a lot of time in wading through the spam to find out some real user information that was also there. They eventually did gain access to real emails but there was nothing damaging there besides some obvious and clumsy fakes by either the hackers or just regular alt-right trolls. Macron's security expert claims that their counterattack wasted the hackers' time so much that they weren't able to organize the leak. As far as I am aware Macron's campaign didn't fake any actual emails themselves.

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Re: Actual Landslide Victory for Macron
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2017, 09:11:28 am »
I might have misinterpreted an article I read about the cyper-counter attack.  If I did, my bad.  Still, pretty smart on the part of Marcron's security expert to go on the offensive like that.

Ironbite-good for him on getting ahead of Russia.