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FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« on: February 17, 2012, 03:18:23 pm »
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The FBI once again proves it is the best in the world at disrupting the terrorist plots it creates. A Moroccan man in his 30s was arrested on his way to what he thought would be a suicide bombing on the U.S. Capitol. But the bombs strapped to his chest were fakes, supplied by the FBI.

See, the guy thought he had been plotting with al Qaeda, but it was FBI agents the whole time! Just like how the feds provided that Portland Christmas Tree bomber with a fake car bomb, and that 26-year-old would-be terrorist fake guns and grenades last year. These tactics are borderline entrapment. But we're mainly pissed they didn't even let the guy press the button: Imagine his face after he'd sprinted towards the Capitol, screamed "Death to America!," pressed the detonator and a little flag that said "Boom" popped out. Then Ashton Kutcher dropped down in an FBI helicopter. Punk'd.

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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 03:51:22 pm »
I guess a lot of this goes into the exact methods involved. Are the FBI approaching people they know are already looking for these supplies, or are they encouraging people who otherwise might not do these things to do them? Because one really does involve making sure no one gets hurt, and one involves creating a terrorist.

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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 03:54:48 pm »
Underwear bombers, shoe bombers, fake bomb bombers. A fearsome lot.

Incidentally, how would you like to be in prison if you were known as the underwear bomber?  The guy's going to have a busy social life.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 04:46:21 pm »
Nice to see the FBI get back to it's conintelpro roots- inciting violence.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 05:50:49 pm »
Yup, yet when they bust some guys while they plot and look for devices to carry it out, the FBI is evil...
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 07:58:22 pm »
I tracked down the original article because the wording of this article is a tad slanted... but yeah, the FBI is literally hanging around talking about terror plots to try to get people to respond.

Disgraceful.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 11:56:47 pm »
Yup, yet when they bust some guys while they plot and look for devices to carry it out, the FBI is evil...
Sometimes no one can do anything right because everyone's ready to hang them.

These people were not 'plotting' anything, until the FBI put the idea in their head. Perhaps they might have tried to become terrorists anyway- but thought crime isn't.

It certainly is not a crime to say 'yes' when the government asks if you would like to blow people up.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 12:04:44 am »
You sure the FBI put anything in anyone's head?  I mean yeah they're giving them the means to carry out their insane plots but I doubt they throw that idea in there.

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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 12:12:52 am »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots?CMP=twt_gu

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But the issue is one that stretches far beyond Newburgh. Critics say the FBI is running a sting operation across America, targeting – to a large extent – the Muslim community by luring people into fake terror plots. FBI bureaux send informants to trawl through Muslim communities, hang out in mosques and community centres, and talk of radical Islam in order to identify possible targets sympathetic to such ideals. Or they will respond to the most bizarre of tip-offs, including, in one case, a man who claimed to have seen terror chief Ayman al-Zawahiri living in northern California in the late 1990s.

That tipster was quickly hired as a well-paid informant. If suitable suspects are identified, FBI agents then run a sting, often creating a fake terror plot in which it helps supply weapons and targets. Then, dramatic arrests are made, press conferences held and lengthy convictions secured.

But what is not clear is if many real, actual terrorists are involved.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 01:11:09 am »
In theory, what they are doing is actually good and protects the people.  Because the only people to respond to them would be terrorists or people who are only prevented from being terrorists by lack of supplies.

In theory.

In practice... not so sure.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 01:17:12 am »
Yeah, it seems what they're doing is applying a show to drag out people already in the process of formulating ideas, not "Hey, you should blow up the White House, here's the plans and tools, we'll even give you a few cronies"
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2012, 08:24:52 am »
To me it looks like they're toeing the line. When they should stay clear on one side of it.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2012, 08:35:47 am »
I don't find it to be legally considered entrapment. They're not convincing anyone. They're remarking on it 'idly'. It's like if a cop were to remark about how he needs some more pot so he can do a sting on the suppliers.

In this case, the person was already ready and willing. This is not entrapment on the FBI's part.

Entrapment requires three things (if I may copy and paste from another source as it says it better)
    1) The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
   2)  Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not the same as persuading them to commit that crime.
    3) The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before interaction with the government agents.

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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 09:32:57 am »
Shane's right, what the FBI is doing is not entrapment.
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Re: FBI is doing 120 down the Entrapment Highway
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 12:13:50 pm »
I guess a lot of this goes into the exact methods involved. Are the FBI approaching people they know are already looking for these supplies, or are they encouraging people who otherwise might not do these things to do them? Because one really does involve making sure no one gets hurt, and one involves creating a terrorist.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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