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Title: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: armandtanzarian on October 10, 2012, 09:10:24 am
Let me emphasize. Malala Yousafzai, a 14-year old girl who spoke out against the Taliban's rule in the mountainous region bordering Pakistan and its attempts to supress women's education, was deliberately assassinated by Taliban thugs. For asking girls to be educated.

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Police said a bearded man approached the bus and asked which of the girls was Malala. When one of the girls pointed at her she denied it. The gunman shot both girls, although police say three people were wounded in all.

A Taliban spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan, claimed responsibility on behalf of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), the Pakistani offshoot of the Taliban movement notorious for its restrictions of women's freedom and female education during the five years before late 2001 when they were in power in Afghanistan.

"She was pro-west, she was speaking against Taliban and she was calling President Obama her ideal leader," Ehsan told Reuters. "She was young but she was promoting western culture in Pashtun areas," he said, referring to the main ethnic group in north-western Pakistan and Afghanistan from which the Taliban finds most of its followers.

The Taliban had previously announced the girl was on their "hit list" because of her backing for "the imposition of secular government" in Swat.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/taliban-pakistan-shoot-girl-malala-yousafzai

So far she and the rest of the group seem to have survived. Doctors have removed the bullet from her head (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/10/malala-yousafzai-bullet-removed-taliban), though at this time it remains to see how badly she is truly injured. The shooting has jarred the Pakistani nation, horrified that such an incident is occurring. Many of the leftists are tying this to the government's limp response to the Taliban and the country's general backwards direction due to the Islamists.
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Murtaza Salangi, the director of Pakistan Radio, said people were standing up to be counted as if this was their own daughter.

"I think it is a watershed moment because the outpouring of sympathy and support for this young girl is just unprecedented. She could be a rallying poster for people who think that extremism and terrorism is the biggest challenge, even an existential challenge, for this country."

He said the mood of revulsion extended beyond just the "educated elite", saying the switchboard at Radio Pakistan's Peshawar studio had "lit up like Christmas lights" after phone lines were opened for people across the country to contact a phone-in programme.

Rana Jawad, Islamabad bureau chief of Geo, the country's biggest news channel, compared footage played throughout the day of the unconscious Malala being loaded on to a helicopter to a 2009 clip showing a woman in Swat being beaten by the Taliban, which was constantly replayed and horrified the country.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/taliban-pakistan-shoot-girl-malala-yousafzai?intcmp=239

Assassinating girls for asking to be educated. Great job assholes.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Smurfette Principle on October 10, 2012, 12:19:59 pm
For a group that seems to be all about making martyrs, they're doing a hell of a job in making a martyr of someone who opposes everything they do. Funny how assassinations do that. I hope the girl recovers enough to (metaphorically or otherwise) kick them in their collective nuts.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 10, 2012, 02:46:58 pm
Methinks it's going to be sooner rather than later that these women rise up as a near whole to get equal rights.

Then it remains to be seen what happens...
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: RinellaWasHere on October 10, 2012, 04:21:16 pm
I'm glad she's still holding onto life, at least. Bastards. I hate anyone who hurts kids.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: ironbite on October 10, 2012, 05:39:11 pm
Wow...way to try and get people on your side.  Shooting an unarmed kid because she wants to better herself.  Awesome.

Ironbite-how do these idiots have any support?  Oh yeah.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Fpqxz on October 10, 2012, 06:50:32 pm
The Taliban has been assassinating civil servants and local government officials for the past few years.  But to stoop so low as to shoot a 14-year-old girl?  What kind of "morality" is that?

Poetic justice would be if her assailant is caught...and forced to fight a cage match with Anders Behring Breivik.  Now THAT would be a Pay-Per-View event worth watching.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 10, 2012, 06:54:32 pm
They'd probably just end up having hatesex or something.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 10, 2012, 07:02:13 pm
They'd probably just end up having hatesex or something.

...

That might actually be more worth a PPV...
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on October 11, 2012, 12:26:43 am
So is she still alive? The use of the word assassinated is confusing me.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 11, 2012, 12:50:00 am
Yes, she's still alive, and the wording in the title confused me too.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Sylvana on October 11, 2012, 03:15:17 am
Yes, she's still alive, and the wording in the title confused me too.

Well given that she was shot in the head calling her alive might be reaching. It will depend on how much brain damage she has received.
This is especially low though. Then again for ultra conservative Muslim nations where they stone rape victims and such, it is not all that surprising. In those countries women are regarded as property and hence this kind of execution would generate little emotion out of the attacker and some hard core Muslims. I am more surprised that it is generating the outrage that it has. That actually gives me some hope for those nations.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: ironbite on October 11, 2012, 03:19:59 am
the bullet didn't penetrate her brain
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 11, 2012, 04:35:56 am
Fundamentalism is a fucking disgusting thing. Girl advocates for education, and they fucking shoot her? Ugh. Hey Obama, why not drone strike those motherfuckers who did this?
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Meshakhad on October 11, 2012, 12:07:31 pm
I have a better idea: we capture them, then try and execute them under Sharia law.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: armandtanzarian on October 11, 2012, 12:20:25 pm
I have a better idea: we capture them, then try and execute them under Sharia law.
IIRC the punishment for murder is either an eye for an eye, or straight up hanging. That's boring. I say we apply the punishment used for adulterers; if anything these Middle Easterns are quite creative at preventing people from boning.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Meshakhad on October 12, 2012, 12:30:08 pm
So I've seen some people asking why moderate Muslims don't condemn this sort of violence. Well...

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/10/201210127446942327.html

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Religious leaders in Pakistan have condemned the shooting of teenage education rights activist Malala Yousafzai, during a special day of prayer across the country.

Clerics on Friday declared the attempt on her life, made by Pakistani Taliban gunmen while the 14-year-old girl was on her way home from school in the Swat valley, to be "un-Islamic".

The joint fatwa, or religious edict, was issued by at least 50 scholars associated with the Sunni Ittehad Council (SIC), and appealed to worshippers to observe a "day of condemnation" on Friday.

Inside Story: Who in Pakistan should have protected Malala?

"Islam holds the killing of one innocent person as killing the entirety of humanity," Hamid Saeed Kazmi, a former religious affairs minister in Pakistan, told reporters.

"It also forbids the killing of a woman who has even denounced her religion."

Also, I have a proposal for keeping her safe. We assign a squad of Gurkhas as her bodyguards, make this public knowledge, and the Taliban will never come within ten miles of her.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Damen on October 12, 2012, 08:58:38 pm
Also, I have a proposal for keeping her safe. We assign a squad of Gurkhas as her bodyguards, make this public knowledge, and the Taliban will never come within ten miles of her.

I have a better idea. Why don't we take a page out of General Pershing's playbook?

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt65/theGinsue/General_Pershing.jpg)
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: KZN02 on October 12, 2012, 09:51:00 pm
Also, I have a proposal for keeping her safe. We assign a squad of Gurkhas as her bodyguards, make this public knowledge, and the Taliban will never come within ten miles of her.

I have a better idea. Why don't we take a page out of General Pershing's playbook?

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt65/theGinsue/General_Pershing.jpg)
A bit off topic, how does Pershing's tactic compare with Sherman's march?
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: armandtanzarian on October 13, 2012, 02:34:25 am
Its been a few days since Malala was shot. Still in ICU as far as news reports are concerned. But it seems like she's still in as much danger from extremists as she is from her bullet wound:
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Kamran Rehman, district administrative officer in the Swat Valley said police are actively pursuing the shooters, but so far only three arrests have been made.

Though he cannot be certain of the suspect's roles in the shooting until a full investigation has been conducted, Rehman did say they were between the ages of 17 and 23.

One suspect has also been arrested in Rawalpindi, not far from the hospital where Malala is currently being treated.

A military official speaking on condition of anonymity told Al Jazeera that the suspect tried to enter the hospital on Thursday night claiming to be the girl's father.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/10/2012101223418610967.html
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: TheL on October 15, 2012, 07:21:43 am
Also, I have a proposal for keeping her safe. We assign a squad of Gurkhas as her bodyguards, make this public knowledge, and the Taliban will never come within ten miles of her.

I have a better idea. Why don't we take a page out of General Pershing's playbook?

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt65/theGinsue/General_Pershing.jpg)
A bit off topic, how does Pershing's tactic compare with Sherman's march?

That depends on whether you think making your enemies suffer is better than treating human beings like human beings.

If so, then apparently "better."
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 15, 2012, 08:25:56 am
Update :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19944078
She's alive but that's not a good sign
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: ironbite on October 15, 2012, 05:47:28 pm
She's been alive since the shooting.  The article itself mentioned that.

Ironbite-no brain damage either due to the fact the bullet didn't penetrate her skull.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 15, 2012, 06:02:01 pm
Update :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19944078
She's alive but that's not a good sign
I think this is actually really one of the best things that could've happened. The Taliban'll have a much harder time finishing the job now that she's in the UK.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Damen on October 17, 2012, 11:38:57 am
I think we deserve an update.

The Taliban are whining. Yes, they're over there having a collective hissy because they're not getting equal time from the media.

...I'm fucking serious.

http://news.yahoo.com/taliban-demands-unbiased-coverage-attempted-murder-14-old-190221609.html (http://news.yahoo.com/taliban-demands-unbiased-coverage-attempted-murder-14-old-190221609.html)
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Pakistan's Taliban insurgency faces a spate of bad press in mainstream Pakistani outlets related to the jihadists' failed assassination attempt of Malala Yousafzai, a young blogger who dared protest the Taliban's ban on educating girls. Now the Taliban are plotting terror strikes on TV stations and other media organizations, but local newspapers refuse to stay silent.

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Wow, Columbia Journalism Review, here we come. Clearly Pakistani reporters should be giving equal weight to the pros and cons of shooting children in the face.

The Taliban is mad because the rest of Pakistan is mad at them over the shooting. "Undoubtedly this is the worst press the TTP has ever had, there is no doubt," Rana Jawad, Islamabad bureau chief of Geo News, told The Guardian's Islamabad correspondent Jon Boone. The Taliban have been furious that justification for the attack, that the girl was being "un-Islamic," was not being placed prominently in news stories. Muhammad Amir Rana of the Pakistan Institute for Peace Studies, says the Taliban are taking a PR beating. "We have seen a similar public sentiment in the past, but this time it is quite unique," he said. "This case has provided a catharsis of the masses for all the grievances that have been building up for years."
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 17, 2012, 12:24:42 pm
Gimme a second, I'll go fetch my violin.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 17, 2012, 03:39:13 pm
I have a better idea: we capture them, then try and execute them under Sharia law.
IIRC the punishment for murder is either an eye for an eye, or straight up hanging. That's boring. I say we apply the punishment used for adulterers; if anything these Middle Easterns are quite creative at preventing people from boning.
I think that might be the wrong approach.
A straight up, no fanfare, bullet in the head wherever they happen to be found and toss them in the nearest garbage bin. Do it without any anger or hatred, just cold clinical detachment. Deal with them as you would a rat or fly that is bothering you. Remove any notion of honor or nobility to them or their cause, and treat them as the vermin they are.

Nobody roots for the rats, if you can frame them as such by their own countrymen their support will dry up.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: rookie on October 17, 2012, 03:44:14 pm

A straight up, no fanfare, bullet in the head wherever they happen to be found and toss them in the nearest garbage bin. Do it without any anger or hatred, just cold clinical detachment.

Wouldn't it be better to have them stand right in front of the dumpster rather than having to drag them there?
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: ironbite on October 17, 2012, 06:30:36 pm
Or perhaps in the dumpster?
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Meshakhad on October 18, 2012, 03:25:19 am
Or we send in the Gurkhas, grab and kill the Taliban, and leave behind the following message:

"Tasty!"
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 18, 2012, 05:10:57 am

A straight up, no fanfare, bullet in the head wherever they happen to be found and toss them in the nearest garbage bin. Do it without any anger or hatred, just cold clinical detachment.

Wouldn't it be better to have them stand right in front of the dumpster rather than having to drag them there?
Not really since it shows you are thinking about it rather than reflexively swatting flies.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Vypernight on October 18, 2012, 06:41:02 am
Gotta love the Taliban.

14 year old girlf speaking about equal rights for women is un-Islamic.

Shoot said GIRL in the head is what Allah wants.

Doesn't the Quran have a section somewhere saying EVERYONE is treated the same?  I could've sworn I saw that somewhere.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Sylvana on October 18, 2012, 08:19:54 am
14 year old girlf speaking about equal rights for women is un-Islamic.

Doesn't the Quran have a section somewhere saying EVERYONE is treated the same?  I could've sworn I saw that somewhere.

Well all MALES are treated the same, we all know that for the abrahamic religions women are no better than livestock or property. They clearly do not count in that everyone being treated the same verse. They must just shut up and demurely accept whatever the men do to them as well as who their fathers sell them to.

After all whoever heard of a piece of property speaking its mind, and wanting to be educated of all things, such utter nonsense.<heavy sarcasm>
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: armandtanzarian on October 19, 2012, 10:37:32 am
Some very good news: She's standing with assistance. However there is some infection in the bullet wound which is the doctors' biggest concern right now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20001486

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The Pakistani girl shot by the Taliban has managed to stand for the first time since the shooting, say UK doctors who are treating her.

Dr David Rosser said she was also able to communicate by writing notes, but added that there were still some concerns about her smooth recovery.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 19, 2012, 11:21:59 am
Good BTW the reason I said it was bad that she was being moved to the UK is that it meant it was serious enough that Pakistan couldn't treat her. 
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Distind on October 19, 2012, 06:33:26 pm
Good BTW the reason I said it was bad that she was being moved to the UK is that it meant it was serious enough that Pakistan couldn't treat her.
I'm thinking the move was more about protection than treatment. They had at least one close call and international good will to exploit. Or at least international pity, or perhaps indignation... one way or another they found a way to look good and make her no longer their problem at the same time.

Good to hear she's doing reasonably well for what happened to her. Hopefully she'll get out of this without any more trouble than needed.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: TheUnknown on October 22, 2012, 03:18:35 am
14 year old girlf speaking about equal rights for women is un-Islamic.

Doesn't the Quran have a section somewhere saying EVERYONE is treated the same?  I could've sworn I saw that somewhere.

Well all MALES are treated the same, we all know that for the abrahamic religions women are no better than livestock or property. They clearly do not count in that everyone being treated the same verse. They must just shut up and demurely accept whatever the men do to them as well as who their fathers sell them to.

After all whoever heard of a piece of property speaking its mind, and wanting to be educated of all things, such utter nonsense.<heavy sarcasm>

I've heard that the Quran actually encourages women to be educated, and that actively preventing it was considered bad.  Anyone know if that's true?
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: armandtanzarian on October 22, 2012, 09:26:44 am
14 year old girlf speaking about equal rights for women is un-Islamic.

Doesn't the Quran have a section somewhere saying EVERYONE is treated the same?  I could've sworn I saw that somewhere.

Well all MALES are treated the same, we all know that for the abrahamic religions women are no better than livestock or property. They clearly do not count in that everyone being treated the same verse. They must just shut up and demurely accept whatever the men do to them as well as who their fathers sell them to.

After all whoever heard of a piece of property speaking its mind, and wanting to be educated of all things, such utter nonsense.<heavy sarcasm>

I've heard that the Quran actually encourages women to be educated, and that actively preventing it was considered bad.  Anyone know if that's true?
I don't remember any specifically about women, but it is explicitly stated multiple times in the Quran that education (attaining knowledge) for every Muslim is a must, one even quotes it as a prerequisite for going to Heaven. This includes even slave girls apparently. Ironically Muhammad himself is illiterate, but that's probably why he harped so much on education.

Still it is obvious that women still hold a lower rank amongst people there. There are strong women quoted in the Quran; Muhammad's first wife Fatimah is stated as the key to his early business success, and his last wife Aisha (yes, that 6-year old he married) is said to be one of the influential figures after his death which led to the split between Sunni and Shia. But they are never considered as equals. In fact the rule of having four wives is said to have arised to allow the men to take care of the widows of their fallen comrades.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Material Defender on October 24, 2012, 05:15:27 pm
Mohammad was first taken care of by his widowed mother before she died shortly due to disease I think. He didn't get a great education because he was an orphan who barely survived. Also, two people in one marriage is considered the ideal and should only enter into marriage with multiple women if they can adequately take care of them all. How many people adequately listen to any polygamy being about "Equal Care" and all is up to interpretation. Mali, a major African and Muslim Nation, was quoted as having "Beautiful women that are more important than the men." Despite the fact it's leader was a man.

It's doubtful that Mohammad placed too much emphasis on patriarchy given the culture previously allowed women to have multiple husbands, but there was at least enough to run with clearly. Though most fundie Islam scholars tend to rewrite the Koran, as well as abuse shitty hadiths. Who knows how much telephones being played with here. Nothing worse than Christian fundies rewriting their own 'sacred' texts to match their beliefs instead of of matching their beliefs to their sacred texts.

I often don't view assholes like the taliban as "Christians" or "Muslims" but as a bunch of manipulative men using faith to delude the poorly informed to gather followers. More Muslims, possibly even more strict followers of the five pillars (Which is the keys to being a muslim), have died to Muslim terrorists and extremists than their western foes. Often as collateral damage. I think the same can be said of Christian Terrorists and Christian fatalities. This crap makes me sad for the women and sad that people believe that they are doing the will of God via this murder and assaults.
Title: Re: 14-year old womens & peace activist assassinated by Taliban
Post by: Paradox on November 06, 2012, 03:36:03 am
She is doing quite well, if the BBC is to be believed!  The hospital set up a message board where you can leave your well wishes.  Here. (http://www.uhb.nhs.uk/Default.aspx.LocID-01j01w.Lang-EN.GuestbookID-4173.htm)