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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: the_ignored on May 07, 2014, 01:15:52 am
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Story here (http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-indonesian-woman-brutally-gang-raped-by-8-men-faces-public-canning-4605273-NOR.html).
It's a short article so quoting enough of it to show what it's about would probably break copyright law. It's as bad as the title says though. They attacked her in her fucking home!
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The mob accuses her of commit illegal sexual activities... and then gang rapes her. What?
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Yeah, those guys going to cane her?
I want to tie them down and cane [i[them[/i]. In the balls. For ten times the amount they can her for.
Each.
As for the rapists, same punishment, only a hundred times the amount she's caned.
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The moment I read the title, I knew this was some Sharia law fuckery. This would have been considered backwards even in the Bible Belt.
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The moment I read the title, I knew this was some Sharia law fuckery. This would have been considered backwards even in the Bible Belt.
It would've definitely been considered backwards, but they would probably hold equally backwards views on rape victims without realizing it.
I don't have a lot of faith in conservative christian fundies.
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The moment I read the title, I knew this was some Sharia law fuckery. This would have been considered backwards even in the Bible Belt.
It would've definitely been considered backwards, but they would probably hold equally backwards views on rape victims without realizing it.
I don't have a lot of faith in conservative christian fundies.
Neither do I, but there is some especially disturbing about these Islam fundies. I guess it's what happens when a religious majority goes unchallenged for so long (at least they have progressives to balance them out here).
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I swear, sometimes I want to line up every frummer against a wall and shoot them.
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Yeah, I get those feelings of outrage, too. Seriously, though, how can you reach people like that? These torture punishments are worse than most anything done by supposedly brutal and savage primitive tribes; at least in those primal societies, every person is so important to the long term survival of the tribe, that severe punishments are rarely anything that would permanently harm the victim, physically or mentally. That we read about vicious, deadly punishments in the ancient holy books perhaps is a side effect of the fact that in those times and places written of, farming and livestock keeping raised the population so much that life became "cheap".
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The moment I read the title, I knew this was some Sharia law fuckery. This would have been considered backwards even in the Bible Belt.
It would've definitely been considered backwards, but they would probably hold equally backwards views on rape victims without realizing it.
I don't have a lot of faith in conservative christian fundies.
Neither do I, but there is some especially disturbing about these Islam fundies. I guess it's what happens when a religious majority goes unchallenged for so long (at least they have progressives to balance them out here).
Personally, I think it's also Islam's comparable youth. It's essentially going through it's medieval catholic phase.
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Yeah, I get those feelings of outrage, too. Seriously, though, how can you reach people like that? These torture punishments are worse than most anything done by supposedly brutal and savage primitive tribes; at least in those primal societies, every person is so important to the long term survival of the tribe, that severe punishments are rarely anything that would permanently harm the victim, physically or mentally. That we read about vicious, deadly punishments in the ancient holy books perhaps is a side effect of the fact that in those times and places written of, farming and livestock keeping raised the population so much that life became "cheap".
Incidentally, this is almost a legit anti-civilization argument, aside from intent.
It almost seems like we'd be better off in smaller pockets of people rather than massive cities of statistics.
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Oh I'd love to Rider Kick each and everyone of these people in the gonads.
Ironbite-just disgusts me that the sun just bakes whatever brains these people have clean out of their skulls.
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Personally, I think it's also Islam's comparable youth. It's essentially going through it's medieval catholic phase.
Is there any particular reason to think different religions have to go through the same stages over time?
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Incidentally, this is almost a legit anti-civilization argument, aside from intent.
It almost seems like we'd be better off in smaller pockets of people rather than massive cities of statistics.
Anti-civilization, not so sure. Plenty of modern populations elsewhere do not condone this behavior.
I find it a more compelling case that we would be better off without Sharia law and Islam, though. That shit is poisonous.
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Personally, I think it's also Islam's comparable youth. It's essentially going through it's medieval catholic phase.
Is there any particular reason to think different religions have to go through the same stages over time?
I'd say the idea is because the two previous abrahamic religions where pretty violent in the early days after they got enough power, and then after a while they mellowed out (relatively anyway).
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I don't think it's the case. Frummerism is on the rise in Hindusim, and that's a much older religion than Islam.
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Incidentally, this is almost a legit anti-civilization argument, aside from intent.
It almost seems like we'd be better off in smaller pockets of people rather than massive cities of statistics.
Anti-civilization, not so sure. Plenty of modern populations elsewhere do not condone this behavior.
I find it a more compelling case that we would be better off without Sharia law and Islam, though. That shit is poisonous.
Point. Though it seems to have taken those civilizations some time to get there. And there's plenty of civilizations that are being dragged backwards away from caring about its people (Russia, anyone?)
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Incidentally, this is almost a legit anti-civilization argument, aside from intent.
It almost seems like we'd be better off in smaller pockets of people rather than massive cities of statistics.
Anti-civilization, not so sure. Plenty of modern populations elsewhere do not condone this behavior.
I find it a more compelling case that we would be better off without Sharia law and Islam, though. That shit is poisonous.
Point. Though it seems to have taken those civilizations some time to get there. And there's plenty of civilizations that are being dragged backwards away from caring about its people (Russia, anyone?)
The problem is not with Islam. The problem is with certain Muslims.
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Incidentally, this is almost a legit anti-civilization argument, aside from intent.
It almost seems like we'd be better off in smaller pockets of people rather than massive cities of statistics.
Anti-civilization, not so sure. Plenty of modern populations elsewhere do not condone this behavior.
I find it a more compelling case that we would be better off without Sharia law and Islam, though. That shit is poisonous.
Point. Though it seems to have taken those civilizations some time to get there. And there's plenty of civilizations that are being dragged backwards away from caring about its people (Russia, anyone?)
The problem is not with Islam. The problem is with certain Muslims.
The problem is with any religion that advocates that it, itself, is the only true path in life, and that all other paths are false. The problems are less pronounced in the USA, but greatly pronounced in the Middle East.
Conversely, the same ideology of Christianity is a large part of why it is a problem in the USA.
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Incidentally, this is almost a legit anti-civilization argument, aside from intent.
It almost seems like we'd be better off in smaller pockets of people rather than massive cities of statistics.
Anti-civilization, not so sure. Plenty of modern populations elsewhere do not condone this behavior.
I find it a more compelling case that we would be better off without Sharia law and Islam, though. That shit is poisonous.
Point. Though it seems to have taken those civilizations some time to get there. And there's plenty of civilizations that are being dragged backwards away from caring about its people (Russia, anyone?)
The problem is not with Islam. The problem is with certain Muslims.
The problem is with any religion that advocates that it, itself, is the only true path in life, and that all other paths are false. The problems are less pronounced in the USA, but greatly pronounced in the Middle East.
Conversely, the same ideology of Christianity is a large part of why it is a problem in the USA.
Which is why early Muslims committed wholesale massacres of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Pagans... oh wait, they didn't. In fact, many people who followed differing branches of Christianity were safer under Muslim rule than that of their fellow Christians.
One can also look at Mughal India for an example of remarkable tolerance. Akbar's court had a staggering number of faiths represented.
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Bearing in mind that early Muslims considered Christians and Jews to be a part of their "path" since they all worshiped the same God. They were just mistaken about the divinity of Jesus (who was a great prophet in their eyes) and the wisdom of Mohammed.
Bearing in mind, I believe people should be free to believe whatever delusions they want to believe so long as it doesn't harm other people. I am not advocating for the eradication of Islam. However, what's happening in the Middle East would probably have less of a stranglehold if it didn't rely on Islam to control its people.
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Bearing in mind that early Muslims considered Christians and Jews to be a part of their "path" since they all worshiped the same God. They were just mistaken about the divinity of Jesus (who was a great prophet in their eyes) and the wisdom of Mohammed.
Bearing in mind, I believe people should be free to believe whatever delusions they want to believe so long as it doesn't harm other people. I am not advocating for the eradication of Islam. However, what's happening in the Middle East would probably have less of a stranglehold if it didn't rely on Islam to control its people.
If that were the case, they would have persecuted Zoroastrians. They didn't, not for quite some time.
Because secular regimes never have such a stranglehold over their people.
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Bearing in mind that early Muslims considered Christians and Jews to be a part of their "path" since they all worshiped the same God. They were just mistaken about the divinity of Jesus (who was a great prophet in their eyes) and the wisdom of Mohammed.
Bearing in mind, I believe people should be free to believe whatever delusions they want to believe so long as it doesn't harm other people. I am not advocating for the eradication of Islam. However, what's happening in the Middle East would probably have less of a stranglehold if it didn't rely on Islam to control its people.
I've heard that another problem is that many areas where Islam is prevalent, especially rural areas, the people there are still hanging on to cultures and customs that have existed since before Islam ever appeared. It's just that, like with any other religion, it's very easy to justify continuing practices that people, particularly those that benefit the most, really don't want to give up.
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Bearing in mind that early Muslims considered Christians and Jews to be a part of their "path" since they all worshiped the same God. They were just mistaken about the divinity of Jesus (who was a great prophet in their eyes) and the wisdom of Mohammed.
Bearing in mind, I believe people should be free to believe whatever delusions they want to believe so long as it doesn't harm other people. I am not advocating for the eradication of Islam. However, what's happening in the Middle East would probably have less of a stranglehold if it didn't rely on Islam to control its people.
I've heard that another problem is that many areas where Islam is prevalent, especially rural areas, the people there are still hanging on to cultures and customs that have existed since before Islam ever appeared. It's just that, like with any other religion, it's very easy to justify continuing practices that people, particularly those that benefit the most, really don't want to give up.
Exactly. For example, Islam didn't invent the practice of forcing women to cover themselves from head to toe when they went outside. That was a Sumerian creation.
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Fair enough.
Still, though I spend most of my time bashing conservative christian fundies, I only neglect Islam because of my lack of experience with it, and because in the country I live in, Muslims are a persecuted minority.
And though I do sometimes criticize liberal Christians, I would still rather spend time with them than the fundies of my own religion.
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Fair enough.
Still, though I spend most of my time bashing conservative christian fundies, I only neglect Islam because of my lack of experience with it, and because in the country I live in, Muslims are a persecuted minority.
And though I do sometimes criticize liberal Christians, I would still rather spend time with them than the fundies of my own religion.
You have a religion?
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Fair enough.
Still, though I spend most of my time bashing conservative christian fundies, I only neglect Islam because of my lack of experience with it, and because in the country I live in, Muslims are a persecuted minority.
And though I do sometimes criticize liberal Christians, I would still rather spend time with them than the fundies of my own religion.
You have a religion?
Yep. Though technically, I adapted it to my own needs so I doubt members of the "mainstream" versions of the religion would recognize me as such. As such, I just call myself an eclectic, which means I piece together my own religion and beliefs based off of my own wants. It just so happens that I follow a specific mythology, rather than mixing together 20 different mythologies.
It's less "legitimate" than mainstream religions, but if I gave a fuck about legitimacy then I'd probably end up a fundie again.
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Fair enough.
Still, though I spend most of my time bashing conservative christian fundies, I only neglect Islam because of my lack of experience with it, and because in the country I live in, Muslims are a persecuted minority.
And though I do sometimes criticize liberal Christians, I would still rather spend time with them than the fundies of my own religion.
You have a religion?
Yep. Though technically, I adapted it to my own needs so I doubt members of the "mainstream" versions of the religion would recognize me as such. As such, I just call myself an eclectic, which means I piece together my own religion and beliefs based off of my own wants. It just so happens that I follow a specific mythology, rather than mixing together 20 different mythologies.
It's less "legitimate" than mainstream religions, but if I gave a fuck about legitimacy then I'd probably end up a fundie again.
I don't care about if what god is or if he exists as long as I have porn.
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I don't care about if what god is or if he exists as long as I have cartoon porn.
That Bart Simpson is one sexy beast, eh?