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Title: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on June 08, 2015, 08:41:14 am
pretty simple, really. like "things people say on the internet", but more wins and less douchecanoes.

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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on June 10, 2015, 08:00:55 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 11, 2015, 08:33:41 am
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Sexual preference isn't a choice. It isn't fatphobia if you aren't attracted to fat or overweight people in the same way that it isn't misogyny if a gay man doesn't find women attractive.
It is pretty damn immature to think that you are entitled to being considered attractive. If you struggle with feeling good about how you look, I empathize. We've all been there, but nobody else owes you your own happiness and self-worth. It is nobody's responsibility to take care of your ego.
Basically, these people need to learn the same lesson that whiny "friendzone" guys need to learn. You are not entitled to other people.
You are not owed a model, whether it's a curvy chick or a chiseled dude, just because you're a pleasant guy or a 'real' woman. They'll date who they want, and if that isn't you, you have to deal with it.
You know how those guys who complain about women being 'prudes' and 'bitches', or about how easy girls have it look like complete dumbasses? You know how the only women they care about are the ones who they think are hot?
Yeah, well, when you complain about how 'most' men are immature or shallow, and the only dudes you seem to value are ripped Calvin Klein models or famous actors, guess how you look? Pretty much exactly the same way.
/rant.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on June 12, 2015, 09:39:24 am
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 14, 2015, 05:40:42 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on June 14, 2015, 07:25:13 pm
According to the same logic anyone who is not Chilean shouldn't talk about capitalism since they experienced a brutal dictatorial regime with neo-liberal economic policies.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2015, 08:15:38 am
According to the same logic anyone who is not Chilean shouldn't talk about capitalism since they experienced a brutal dictatorial regime with neo-liberal economic policies.

Oh, I'm no fan of unfettered capitalism either.  When taken to the extreme, both capitalism and socialism are very, very bad.  But the way I understand it, communism is inherently extreme, due to its goals.  And even worse, it's basically impossible in the real world above the city-state level.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on June 16, 2015, 08:22:35 am
Representative democracy doesn't work very well beyond the city-state level either, tbh.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on June 16, 2015, 11:03:04 am
According to the same logic anyone who is not Chilean shouldn't talk about capitalism since they experienced a brutal dictatorial regime with neo-liberal economic policies.

Oh, I'm no fan of unfettered capitalism either.  When taken to the extreme, both capitalism and socialism are very, very bad.  But the way I understand it, communism is inherently extreme, due to its goals.  And even worse, it's basically impossible in the real world above the city-state level.
What's extreme are the means that some communists have used to gain power and means by which they have tried to reach their vision of Communism. Those who have tried to change the system from within and have gained power peacefully have usually been overthrown by an US-supported revolution.

Anarchistic strands of Communism are the ones that aren't viable in the large scale. The ones that are interested only in transforming the economic system and try to do it through the current political systems are more realistic.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2015, 11:20:13 am
According to the same logic anyone who is not Chilean shouldn't talk about capitalism since they experienced a brutal dictatorial regime with neo-liberal economic policies.

Oh, I'm no fan of unfettered capitalism either.  When taken to the extreme, both capitalism and socialism are very, very bad.  But the way I understand it, communism is inherently extreme, due to its goals.  And even worse, it's basically impossible in the real world above the city-state level.
What's extreme are the means that some communists have used to gain power and means by which they have tried to reach their vision of Communism. Those who have tried to change the system from within and have gained power peacefully have usually been overthrown by an US-supported revolution.

Anarchistic strands of Communism are the ones that aren't viable in the large scale. The ones that are interested only in transforming the economic system and try to do it through the current political systems are more realistic.

>Communism
>Realistic

(http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tv/image/1385/89/1385897695973.gif)

Given human nature, a working communist system is simply impossible.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on June 16, 2015, 11:53:47 am
Given human nature, a working communist system is simply impossible.
I wonder why worker cooperatives, consumer cooperatives etc. then survive and many of them thrive. They act according to communist principles whether they realize it or not. A worker who is a co-owner of his work place is just as dependent on it for his living as is a capitalist owner. They both have the same incentives to keep it profitable. The difference is the division of those profits and the power structure.¨

Edit: Since the question of scale is still in the air; not all coops are small businesses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 16, 2015, 03:39:39 pm
I think this sort of discussion might deserve its own thread... and for Ultimate Paragon to take it seriously instead of insultingly and dismissively laughing at people for holding beliefs and ideas counter to his own.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on June 16, 2015, 06:50:43 pm
Holy crap, it's a YouTube comment that's actually pretty funny.

(http://i.imgur.com/heNR2Jl.png)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on June 16, 2015, 08:28:06 pm
Well, Duh! The mushroom's caps are obviously little sombreros.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on June 16, 2015, 10:53:56 pm
I think this sort of discussion might deserve its own thread... and for Ultimate Paragon to take it seriously instead of insultingly and dismissively laughing at people for holding beliefs and ideas counter to his own.
To be fair that's hardly exclusive to UP.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 17, 2015, 12:48:35 am
Correct. But it's his fault in this particular case, and I felt irked when I wrote that.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 19, 2015, 09:52:11 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 06:21:16 pm
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I am a white Southerner by upbringing and my academic field was history of the South, and I can tell you that EVERY Southerner, white and black, knows EXACTLY what the Confederate flag means--it is an attack on, and a threat to, black people. That is why it was used by the segregationists, the Klan, and the White Supremacy crowd. Anything else is a LIE, and you KNOW you are LYING.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on June 20, 2015, 08:02:08 pm
Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on July 02, 2015, 05:39:17 pm
This  cracked article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-misery-shockingly-addictive/) on the dangers of self pity is pretty good (at least compared to some of their other self help articles), but it's the comments that sum up how I feel about success and the american dream. 

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Our collective definition of what we consider success is so warped now that we can't even accommodate for those who do not fit the mould. We define success based on money, lifestyle and this insane trend of who they feature in their social circles. We ignore character, dignity and how some people just do not fit into our societal pegs.

Consider a hypothetical man who is happy being a janitor. He provides for his family. He provides a service for the public. Perhaps he enjoys cleaning things, or perhaps he took this job because he needed to eat.

We have no real respect for this man and others like him, simply because his job isn't challenging according to our standards. We say he shows no initiative. We believe he must have no motivation to excel, and probably is suffering his just desserts for not pursuing an education that would broaden his horizons.

Collectively, we do not consider a janitor a successful man regardless of how he performs his duties, or how his family eats because he cleans buildings for a living. His worth is defined by his station.

And yet, if this janitor does his job with pride, provides for his family and makes as good a life as he can with the hand he was dealt, how is this man not a success?

We live in a world where teachers, those most directly responsible for educating future generations, get paid sh*t. The same world pays bankers incredible, top end salaries and their only job is to turn money into more money for those they work for.

The moment we decided to simply equate a person's worth with the income they command - to define success by paycheck and lifestyle instead of character and dignity - we forgot that success comes in many forms and sometimes, it comes in those places nobody thinks to look.

No, apparently the mere fact of being a janitor disqualifies him from being a success in our eyes. Even though he does his job with pride. Even though he provides for his family, owes no man anything, raises children who are good souls, and does a job most of us spurn with upturned noses with quiet dignity.

This man is not a success?

Aspiration is a good thing, but it is not everything. Right now, the world needs balance and perspective more than it needs aspiration. And we're not going to get it.

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From #4:

"And you've heard the excuses. "I want to write a book, but I'm no good at writing." "I want to get a date, but I'm too unattractive." "I want to avenge my brother's death at the state dance fighting regionals, but I'd never be able to pull off the forbidden move.""

One of the most difficult things in life (but very liberating if you pull it off) is realizing and accepting that your true desires are counter to what you've convinced yourself of. If you don't love some part of the process of achieving a goal, it's probably not meant to be.

For example, About a decade ago I made the mammoth mistake of obtaining a BA in English. Because of this poor life decision and the fact that I always had a cool idea or two for science fiction stories rattling around in my brain, I felt like I had some obligation to write novels. The trouble was, every time I tried to write a fiction story, the results were nothing short of a literary abortion.

For the longest time I beat myself up for being a terrible fiction writer who couldn't stay focused long enough to write one chapter let alone an entire novel of hackey dialogue and one dimensional characters. Could I have put in the thousands of hours needed to be a decent fiction writer? Yes, but those would have been the most tedious, miserable, hours of my life. When I was honest with myself, I realized that there was just no part of the fiction writing process I enjoyed. No matter how "good" at it I became, I would still find the process tedious.

The point is the bulk of time spent achieving any goal will be the in process. If you don't enjoy the journey, why are you doing a thing in the first place? This is counter to the underlying philosophy of American society (which is all about hate f*****g round pegs into square holes) but it's totally OK to let something go if you don't like it, as long as you never stop searching for your thing or things.

This is the kind of stuff no one ever mentions in these success sermons.  They don't take into account that different people find different things rewarding.  If you end up hating every step of the process to achieve a goal, then there should be no shame in saying "fuck it" and aim for something more realistic. 
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on July 03, 2015, 12:39:00 am
Rage, I think a better way to say that instead of saying fuck it and aiming for something more realistic would be to say sometimes you really have to think about when you aim.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 03, 2015, 01:50:54 pm
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It's nice to see somebody using trigger warnings correctly for once.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on July 03, 2015, 10:24:25 pm
Cracked again.  In response to this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-legal-loopholes-that-screw-you-when-youre-poor_p2/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module)

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Any post on these forums that hints at the idea that you can improve yourself and your situation will get downvoted. Even if the message is positive. I've experienced it many times. The prevailing attitude seems to be 'you're poor because of the system, there's nothing you can do about it so don't waste your time trying, if you disagree with that you must be white and rich.'
Even if the system does conspire to keep poor people poor, I reject the idea that you can do nothing meaningful to start changing things. In fact, that's the only choice you have. Do nothing or do something. I've experienced lots of failure, and while things don't change overnight, for me the worst times were when I convinced myself there was nothing I could do.

See conservatives?  You can acknowledge that the system is unfair while still trying to improve yourself. 
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 06, 2015, 01:23:26 am
Translated from Finnish:
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The next time that some smug bourgeois says that the extreme-tight and extreme-left are practically the same thing, tell them that in Greece the extreme-right committed murders and what they call extreme-left organize voting.

(Referring to how they let the voters choose what to do with their debt predicament just now. Even if you disagree with the Greek government they are at least letting the people decide what to do on important decisions.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 09, 2015, 11:03:48 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on July 09, 2015, 11:07:54 pm
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I'm lost. What's going on?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2015, 12:21:16 am
It's play on the "me vs other girls" meme, where you typically had a teenage girl talking about how she wasn't shallow and image obsessed like other girls. Though at this point it's easier to find a parody of it than the real thing.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2015, 12:24:44 am
It's play on the "me vs other girls" meme, where you typically had a teenage girl talking about how she wasn't shallow and image obsessed like other girls. Though at this point it's easier to find a parody of it than the real thing.

In that regard, it's kind of like the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" claim.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on July 10, 2015, 07:20:23 am
some guy made up a religion with these commandments to troll people. nevertheless, it's pretty solid advice.

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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 10, 2015, 07:28:14 am
Come anywhere near my food and there will be hell to pay.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on July 10, 2015, 07:45:51 am
Come anywhere near my food and there will be hell to pay.

come anywhere near my hell and there will be food to pay.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 06:09:29 pm
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Factual Falcon is kind of hit-and-miss, but when it gets things right, it gets them really right.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 19, 2015, 06:44:06 pm
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A woman isn’t less of a woman, less of a feminist, less of a human, if she decides to take her spouses name. It’s 2015. Don’t be a douche.

As a man whose wife kept her maiden name, I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on July 25, 2015, 07:40:26 pm
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A woman isn’t less of a woman, less of a feminist, less of a human, if she decides to take her spouses name. It’s 2015. Don’t be a douche.

As a man whose wife kept her maiden name, I couldn't agree more.

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full name is john winston ono lennon as of 1969... yoko is still yoko ono. feminism marches on.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Spong Habsburg on July 25, 2015, 10:21:34 pm
well frankly 'yoko lennon' sounds fucking shit, fair play to her
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 02, 2015, 10:56:35 am
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I may not always agree with Dawkins, but sometimes he's completely spot-on.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on August 02, 2015, 07:30:05 pm
Broken clocks, right twice a day, yadda yadda yadda.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on August 03, 2015, 12:08:29 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on August 10, 2015, 10:49:06 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aPG7Nzq_460s.jpg)

this is where racism gets you, people. lern 2 tolerance. i will also add, "well-deserved burn."

also, old but gold:
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post transferred from wsj.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on August 10, 2015, 04:24:42 pm
Um, "[privileged group] tears" usually just means "your refusal to check your privilege has gotten you all butthurt over nothing and I'm loving it."  It's not racist against the privileged group in question.

So being all "haha, white tears = semen!!!" is actually pretty damn offensive.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 11, 2015, 12:50:53 am
Honestly the people who go around telling others to "check their privilege" annoy me (although they mainly seem to do it on Tumblr or other locations on net rather than IRL) and this seems like a harmless joke on them.

And on the topic of sperm: "Spermface" is a slur term for white people that is/was occasionally used by African immigrants to Finland.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 11, 2015, 01:32:38 am
It's rather hypocritical to seriously tell people to "check their privilege" (seriously, do even the most hysterical loonies on Tumblr still use that moronic phrase nowadays?), then claim that they're "butthurt over nothing" and being "actually pretty damn offensive" when the inevitable ridicule ensues. As they say, if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on August 11, 2015, 03:55:46 am
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on August 11, 2015, 01:29:04 pm
Um, in the 2nd example, they're both sexist.

Also not sure what to think about the use of white as the default.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on August 11, 2015, 01:32:51 pm
Um, in the 2nd example, they're both sexist.

Also not sure what to think about the use of white as the default.

not in the minds of tumblrinas. you can't be sexist against men, they're pigs and unworthy of pity.

regarding color, it's a stick figure. don't think too hard about it. else, you'll be looking at any and every clue that is not there. for example, why is longhair shorthand for "girl"? convenience's sake. could've been anything else. doesn't mean the author is prejudiced against longhair guys.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on August 11, 2015, 01:42:08 pm
Wow, you clearly don't know any Tumblr feminists other than me.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on August 11, 2015, 01:52:54 pm
Wow, you clearly don't know any Tumblr feminists other than me.

"tumblrina" is the name for the extremist variety of tumblr social justice keyboard warriors, that or "radflake". real feminists used to fight for gender equality. nowadays, the only way to be able to call oneself a "feminist" without radical backlash is to tattoo "misandry" on your forehead. which is wrong, obviously. if you look in the "worst of social justice" thread you'll see what i'm getting at.

oh, and blue is for sarcasm, because as a guy, i'm not about to say stupid shit like that. i may be crazy, but i'm not a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 11, 2015, 02:47:08 pm
Um, in the 2nd example, they're both sexist.

Also not sure what to think about the use of white as the default.
Well those are just stick figures so white is the default. You can make a black and white stick figures and unless you make some stick figures different (like in the upper example) there is no way of knowing if the "regular" ones are supposed to be white or just default that way.

Besides, the point is that people have a double standard where the same message is seen sexist/racist depending on the victim. Yes, both of the examples about sexism were examples of sexism but some people believe that only women can be victims of sexism (check your privilege etc.) Meanwhile in the upper example the same insult, which makes no implications about the other persons race, is seen as racist only when the victim is black. The fact that we have no proof that they are being insulted BECAUSE they are black might not matter to some people.

Double standards.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on August 14, 2015, 06:13:22 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1YrxYv_460s_v1.jpg)

get your shit together, coppers.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on August 14, 2015, 07:49:49 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1YrxYv_460s_v1.jpg)

get your shit together, coppers.

All left in the dust by total non-suicide firearm homicides and automobile deaths each by nearly an order of magnitude.

I hate to say it, but if you want to prioritize holding the police accountable for killing people, the probability of getting killed by them isn't the best argument to use.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on August 14, 2015, 08:04:38 pm
Probability?  Uh....

Ironbite-bitch you need to get hooked on phonics.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on August 14, 2015, 09:36:08 pm
am i the only one who thinks that such a body count is wrong for people whose motto is "serve and protect"?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on August 14, 2015, 09:38:46 pm
No.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on August 14, 2015, 10:18:08 pm
am i the only one who thinks that such a body count is wrong for people whose motto is "serve and protect"?

That would depend on whom they are serving and protecting. The wealthy have always enjoyed the privilege of using police as a tool to their own ends.

It's no big surprise that certain socioeconomic demographics who make the wealthy uncomfortable are the target of more police brutality.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 14, 2015, 10:24:40 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1YrxYv_460s_v1.jpg)

get your shit together, coppers.

All left in the dust by total non-suicide firearm homicides and automobile deaths each by nearly an order of magnitude.

I hate to say it, but if you want to prioritize holding the police accountable for killing people, the probability of getting killed by them isn't the best argument to use.

I don't think it's a probability argument, it's a "something is not working properly" argument. The implication is that police killings are so common that something is fucked up (and therefore we have an opportunity for fixing it and saving ~1000 lives a year).

Or maybe not. I mean, that's the point I would be making if I were sending that message, but I'm not the person who made the pic.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on August 14, 2015, 11:50:33 pm
I read it as pro cop. They kill people almost 10 times better than everything else on that list combined!

ETA: I might not be the best one to interpret things as I just got a fine because the sign did not mean No, Fishing!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Meshakhad on August 19, 2015, 01:41:50 pm
Something to improve your faith in humanity a little:

www.reddit.com/r/israelpalestine

A subreddit dedicated to promoting dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians (and their supporters).
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on August 19, 2015, 02:54:25 pm
Something to improve your faith in humanity a little:

www.reddit.com/r/israelpalestine

A subreddit dedicated to promoting dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians (and their supporters).

I don't think anything substantial will change for the Palestinians until Israeli leaders are held accountable for violating international law.

You can promote dialogue all you want but, as the vastly more powerful and well-funded colonizers, Israel has no incentive to change its ways.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on August 20, 2015, 12:34:10 am
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SJW overreacts to something. Troll uses overreaction as excuse to be awful. SJW uses awfulness to justify overreaction. The circle of life.

From Todd In The Shadows Twitter.  It's a spot on description of the internet. 
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 23, 2015, 04:14:12 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 23, 2015, 09:42:46 pm
Except, well...

[speculation not fully endorsed]
The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
[/speculation not fully endorsed]
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 26, 2015, 05:32:45 pm
Except, well...

[speculation not fully endorsed]
The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
[/speculation not fully endorsed]

I think this discussion deserves its own thread.

Anyway, I found this on Imgur.  It's an album of images debunking common Holocaust denier claims, in a language /pol/ can understand.

http://imgur.com/a/PSmeN (http://imgur.com/a/PSmeN)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 27, 2015, 09:30:38 pm
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Let's face it, when it comes to media criticism, "problematic" is the new "immoral'.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on August 28, 2015, 03:22:58 pm
Hamill daring to say America needs gun control:

(http://i.imgur.com/HcJ3Vaq.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 28, 2015, 03:26:43 pm
Hamill daring to say America needs gun control:

(http://i.imgur.com/HcJ3Vaq.jpg)

I believe in stricter background checks, longer waiting periods, and better enforcement of existing laws.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on August 28, 2015, 03:31:46 pm
Australia presided over such a massive dip in gun violence by taking away some guns. That's a critical feature of any effective gun control legislation.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 28, 2015, 03:59:07 pm
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Let's face it, when it comes to media criticism, "problematic" is the new "immoral'.

Well, yes. Was this in doubt?

Are people who think 'problematic' is not a moral judgement a real thing? (actually asking, nothing would surprise me at this point)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 28, 2015, 04:17:29 pm
Australia presided over such a massive dip in gun violence by taking away some guns. That's a critical feature of any effective gun control legislation.

Actually, gun violence in the Land Down Under was falling before the Australian firearm ban, matching a global downward trend in most industrialized countries.  Correlation does not equal causation.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on August 28, 2015, 05:47:01 pm
You sure about that?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 28, 2015, 06:07:27 pm
You sure about that?

Want a source?

http://moveleft.org/dog_ban/br_j_criminology_2006_.pdf (http://moveleft.org/dog_ban/br_j_criminology_2006_.pdf)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 29, 2015, 10:44:01 pm
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"Why do men feel like they need to have sex to be manly?"

"Haha, look at that stupid virgin MRA. Go back to your mountain dew and Cheetos in your mom's basement, man-baby. Haha *tips fedora* lol"
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on August 29, 2015, 11:24:43 pm
Technically, only the virgin part of that insinuates that not having sex decreases your human worth, the rest is bodyshaming, making fun of living situations etc. But yeah, still, unconsctructive as fuck.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Random Dinosaur on August 29, 2015, 11:35:52 pm
Except, well...

[speculation not fully endorsed]
The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
[/speculation not fully endorsed]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/how_it_works.png
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 29, 2015, 11:48:47 pm
Except, well...

[speculation not fully endorsed]
The reason people don't find the portrayal of a man as stupid or incompetent as an offensive statement is because there are a million other men portrayed in other ways. To the extent that male is the default, showing an incompetent male character is just showing an incompetent character.

If women are rarer in the medium, then every woman included looks like she's being included specifically for her gender, and so it invites one to think any other traits are commentary on that gender. To the extent that 'woman' is not a default status but a special trait, any other non-default traits added look like commentary on the interaction of them with womanhood. The way to solve that is, well, adding more female character with a large variety of traits.
[/speculation not fully endorsed]

But the problem with that solution is that game devs are afraid to create games with better female representation, for exactly those reasons.  Kratos goes shirtless and nobody bats an eye.  Bayonetta wears a catsuit and everyone loses their minds.

Not helping matters is the fact that the gaming press refuses to talk about games starring female characters you'd think they could get behind.

https://archive.is/TOhwW (https://archive.is/TOhwW)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on August 30, 2015, 12:11:32 am
Well, my understanding is that there's a difference between sexual objectification and idealization. Sexual objectification is "this character has been designed this way for you, the consumer, to derive satisfaction from ogling" and idealization is "this character is awesome, look at how awesome they are, you want to be this character". Female characters in games are largely subjected to the former and male ones to the latter. (Not that idealization of male characters doesn't contribute to body issues or that male characters can't be sexually objectified, but you know, in general it's like this.)

[possibly talking out of my ass but fuck it, nothing ventured nothing gained]
Samus in a catsuit is probably the former. She is put in a catsuit because "hey look, boobs! you like boobs, don't you? let's accent this woman's boobs because boobs are hot!". Kratos is topless to express a sense of power. Look at Kratos, the design decision says. Kratos is powerful. Kratos is the hero. Kratos is in control, the muscles say so.
[/possibly talking out of my ass but fuck it, nothing ventured nothing gained]

Tangent, but there's also a difference between "this character dresses/acts sexily because they're confident in their sexuality/it's in-character for them/etc." and "this character is sexualized to titillate the viewer". Often, jackasses think the former is happening when really it's the latter.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 30, 2015, 08:10:41 am
Well, my understanding is that there's a difference between sexual objectification and idealization. Sexual objectification is "this character has been designed this way for you, the consumer, to derive satisfaction from ogling" and idealization is "this character is awesome, look at how awesome they are, you want to be this character". Female characters in games are largely subjected to the former and male ones to the latter. (Not that idealization of male characters doesn't contribute to body issues or that male characters can't be sexually objectified, but you know, in general it's like this.)

Isn't there something of an overlap between the two?

[possibly talking out of my ass but fuck it, nothing ventured nothing gained]
Samus in a catsuit is probably the former. She is put in a catsuit because "hey look, boobs! you like boobs, don't you? let's accent this woman's boobs because boobs are hot!". Kratos is topless to express a sense of power. Look at Kratos, the design decision says. Kratos is powerful. Kratos is the hero. Kratos is in control, the muscles say so.
[/possibly talking out of my ass but fuck it, nothing ventured nothing gained]

But is Samus really sexualized?  She doesn't act even remotely sexual.  Sure, she wears a really tight outfit that leaves little to the imagination, but you know who else does that?

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/deathbattle/images/9/9d/Solid_Snake.png/revision/latest?cb=20150521145207)

Besides, if anything, he's far more sexualized than Samus is.  Unlike with her Zero Suit, Snake's ass crack is showing.

He's not the only one.  Liquid runs around shirtless in the middle of Alaska.  Raiden (whose character was created to appeal to women, by the way) was forced to go naked.  That's not even getting into Kaz.

But nobody gave a shit about any of that.  You know what raised hackles before the game even came out?  Quiet's outfit.  Double standard, much?

Tangent, but there's also a difference between "this character dresses/acts sexily because they're confident in their sexuality/it's in-character for them/etc." and "this character is sexualized to titillate the viewer". Often, jackasses think the former is happening when really it's the latter.

And on the other hand, there are those who think the latter is happening when it's really the former.  Just look at all the self-righteous outrage about Morrigan and Bayonetta.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on August 30, 2015, 08:25:13 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon
Double standard, much?

Not sure if this constitutes a direct question in this context, but just in case I'll address it by saying that I'm really tired right now and thus not at my maximum capacity for discussing the nuances of objectification in vidya. I'll get back to this later.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 30, 2015, 08:29:35 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon
Double standard, much?

Not sure if this constitutes a direct question in this context, but just in case I'll address it by saying that I'm really tired right now and thus not at my maximum capacity for discussing the nuances of objectification in vidya. I'll get back to this later.

It wasn't a direct question.  But you can answer it if you want to.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on August 30, 2015, 09:34:05 pm
Okay, I'm rested. Let's do this.

- "Isn't there something of an overlap between the two?"

Sure? But these are still fundamentally different concepts.

- "But is Samus really sexualized?  She doesn't act even remotely sexual."

She was put in an outfit that accentuates her boobs and figure while previously, (might be wrong on this) her outfits didn't. The design change is a display of increased sexualization in the design of Samus.

- "Besides, if anything, he's far more sexualized than Samus is.  Unlike with her Zero Suit, Snake's ass crack is showing."

Male ass cracks don't have greater sexual pressure put on them by society than female breasts. I don't think even Japan is that weird.

- "Liquid runs around shirtless in the middle of Alaska."

Another example of idealization, not objectification, at least to me. "Look at this mega-badass who can run around shirtless in the middle of Alaska. Such strong. Very agency. Wow."

- "Raiden (whose character was created to appeal to women, by the way) was forced to go naked.  That's not even getting into Kaz."

Okay, Raiden would be a good example of sexual objectification in that case. And what's this about Kaz? I don't know as much about MGS as I should, and when I googled the guy all I got was a dude in a cool brown jacket.

- "But nobody gave a shit about any of that.  You know what raised hackles before the game even came out?  Quiet's outfit.  Double standard, much?"

It's almost like gaming has a long-ass history of sexualizing women at the cost of depriving them of agency while letting men be fully realized characters without sexualization or something. And no, that doesn't mean that EVERY GAME EVER has done this or that things aren't better in more recent games, but still. Also, the whole "boob doll" thing doesn't help.

- "And on the other hand, there are those who think the latter is happening when it's really the former.  Just look at all the self-righteous outrage about Morrigan and Bayonetta."

Yeah, Bayonetta's a bit of a border case. On one hand, the copious crotch and ass shots, but on the other, Bayonetta's presented as a character who's in control and enjoying her sexuality on her own terms. So it's kind of grey.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 30, 2015, 10:13:55 pm
Okay, I'm rested. Let's do this.

- "Isn't there something of an overlap between the two?"

Sure? But these are still fundamentally different concepts.

True, but the audience doesn't always say things the way the creator intends.  Case in point, Anno intended for Rei to be creepy, but legions of Otaku the world over consider her their waifu.

- "But is Samus really sexualized?  She doesn't act even remotely sexual."

She was put in an outfit that accentuates her boobs and figure while previously, (might be wrong on this) her outfits didn't. The design change is a display of increased sexualization in the design of Samus.

I meant in terms of behavior.  She doesn't gratuitously twist her spine in such a way that her breasts and butt were both visible. She wears a more revealing outfit, but she still acts pretty much the same.  Now, there is legitimate sexism in Metroid (see: Other M), but I don't think the Zero Suit is all that objectionable.

Besides, in Twilight Princess, Link takes off his shirt.  Does that make him more sexualized? 

- "Besides, if anything, he's far more sexualized than Samus is.  Unlike with her Zero Suit, Snake's ass crack is showing."

Male ass cracks don't have greater sexual pressure put on them by society than female breasts. I don't think even Japan is that weird.

Nevertheless, Solid Snake has legions of fangirls.  Which I'm sure his revealing outfit has nothing to do with.

- "Liquid runs around shirtless in the middle of Alaska."

Another example of idealization, not objectification, at least to me. "Look at this mega-badass who can run around shirtless in the middle of Alaska. Such strong. Very agency. Wow."

Considering the sexualization of other male characters in the franchise, I wouldn't be so sure, especially considering how weird the series can get.

- "Raiden (whose character was created to appeal to women, by the way) was forced to go naked.  That's not even getting into Kaz."

Okay, Raiden would be a good example of sexual objectification in that case. And what's this about Kaz? I don't know as much about MGS as I should, and when I googled the guy all I got was a dude in a cool brown jacket.

Well, feast your eyes on this:

(http://www.forumla.de/attachments/metal-gear/142890d1371324431-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-tumblr_ltwwuuufk51r1w5ayo1_500.jpg)

If you think he's not sexualized, I've got an Infinium Phantom to sell you.

- "But nobody gave a shit about any of that.  You know what raised hackles before the game even came out?  Quiet's outfit.  Double standard, much?"

It's almost like gaming has a long-ass history of sexualizing women at the cost of depriving them of agency while letting men be fully realized characters without sexualization or something. And no, that doesn't mean that EVERY GAME EVER has done this or that things aren't better in more recent games, but still. Also, the whole "boob doll" thing doesn't help.

And there's a big problem.  See, there are certain self-proclaimed "culture critics" who focus on the broader cultural context surrounding female characters, rather than judging them on a case-by-case basis.  In my opinion, that's not a good strategy for analysis.  True, the big picture is important, but one shouldn't lose the trees for the forest (to turn an idiom on its head).  That's like lumping Virgil Tibbs, Al Powell, and Alonzo Harris in together.

- "And on the other hand, there are those who think the latter is happening when it's really the former.  Just look at all the self-righteous outrage about Morrigan and Bayonetta."

Yeah, Bayonetta's a bit of a border case. On one hand, the copious crotch and ass shots, but on the other, Bayonetta's presented as a character who's in control and enjoying her sexuality on her own terms. So it's kind of grey.

How exactly is that a "border case"?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on August 30, 2015, 10:32:05 pm
Quote from: UP
True, but the audience doesn't always say things the way the creator intends.  Case in point, Anno intended for Rei to be creepy, but legions of Otaku the world over consider her their waifu.

Fair enough. There's a difference between designer intent and audience reaction, for sure.

Quote from: UP
I meant in terms of behavior.  She doesn't gratuitously twist her spine in such a way that her breasts and butt were both visible. She wears a more revealing outfit, but she still acts pretty much the same.  Now, there is legitimate sexism in Metroid (see: Other M), but I don't think the Zero Suit is all that objectionable.

Besides, in Twilight Princess, Link takes off his shirt.  Does that make him more sexualized? 

In the sense that a shirtless (adult) Link would be more sexualized than a shirt-wearing one? Sure. In the sense that a shirtless Link would be more sexualized than a boob-accentuated Samus? Given the different sexual pressure that is put on male and female chests both by designers (the ones who design with the heterosexual male audience in mind, at least, which is a large chunk of them tbh) and consumers (in most parts of the world), I wouldn't say so.

What's this about Other M, though? I've heard bits and pieces, but not the whole story. (Feel free not to answer that one, just putting it out there.)

Quote from: UP
Nevertheless, Solid Snake has legions of fangirls.  Which I'm sure his revealing outfit has nothing to do with.

Not gonna deny the possibility of that.

Quote from: UP
Considering the sexualization of other male characters in the franchise, I wouldn't be so sure, especially considering how weird the series can get.

Fair enough, the possibility's always there.

Quote from: UP
If you think he's not sexualized, I've got an Infinium Phantom to sell you.

...well, damn.  :-[

Quote from: UP
How exactly is that a "border case"?

...in the way I just said? The prolonged sexual camera angles (I might be wrong on them even existing, but I remember seeing some) could suggest objectification, but Bayonetta herself is presented as a sexual character instead of a sexualized character. So it's not 100% clear.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on August 31, 2015, 09:46:14 am
(http://i.imgur.com/0FGAaQo.jpg)

That strikes me as parody more than sexualized. He looks like a random nutcase NPC from GTA.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on August 31, 2015, 03:04:35 pm
Oh look, Paragon doesn't seem to understand context. I'm SO surprised.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 31, 2015, 03:46:57 pm
Oh look, Paragon doesn't seem to understand context. I'm SO surprised.

And Cloud thinks identity politics matter more than objective reality.  I'm also surprised.

ETA: How about some blatant double standards from The Mary Sue?

(click to show/hide)

So, it's okay for them to ogle Ryu, but God forbid a female fighter show some skin.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on August 31, 2015, 11:04:52 pm
Says the guy pretending that parody sexualization is the same thing as designing characters for the male gaze.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on August 31, 2015, 11:42:56 pm
Also, in order for "Hot Ryu" to be equivalent to that BDSM clown outfit they're trying to pass off as a character, he'd have to be wearing assless chaps and clothes that are designed to point towards his dick as if to say "we want you to pay attention to Ryu's dick".

Actually, screw the assless chaps, he'd have to go almost full Borat for his outfit to be equivalent to Mika's.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on September 01, 2015, 07:03:31 am
Ever played MGS 3? Then I have one word. Eva.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2015, 07:34:48 am
Ever played MGS 3? Then I have one word. Eva.

Who was deliberately trying to seduce Naked Snake.

Also, in order for "Hot Ryu" to be equivalent to that BDSM clown outfit they're trying to pass off as a character, he'd have to be wearing assless chaps and clothes that are designed to point towards his dick as if to say "we want you to pay attention to Ryu's dick".

Actually, screw the assless chaps, he'd have to go almost full Borat for his outfit to be equivalent to Mika's.

Oh, the old "it has to be exactly equal" line.

Except it doesn't.  What's (generally) considered attractive for a man isn't the same as what's (generally) considered attractive for a woman.  You want evidence?  "Hot Ryu" was trending on Twitter yesterday.

And that's not the only bit of hypocrisy coming from this particular author:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qurnkk.jpg)

I have absolutely no problem with Maddy ogling male video game characters.  What I do have a problem with is her shameless hypocrisy.  One standard for thee, another for me.

Says the guy pretending that parody sexualization is the same thing as designing characters for the male gaze.

Then maybe Paz is parodying sexualization too.

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/131562/2145457-35204_407626841652_649116652_5006375_7936624_n.jpg)

But that can't be, because she's a womyn, and making a female character even remotely sexual is immoral problematic.

And I noticed that certain "culture critics" keep asking for examples of men being dressed or posed similarly to typical examples of male-oriented fanservice, but when they're given them, they call it "satire".  Goalpost moving at its finest.

Besides, I have yet to see any of you cite a single source suggesting that the depiction of women in video games has any impact on how women are treated in the real world.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on September 01, 2015, 11:10:36 am
So 'Hot Ryu' is shirtless to show off his muscles and hyper-masculinity in order to emphasize his combat prowess. Mika is virtually shirtless to show off her tits.

Big strong man punch thing hard vs. I like boobies.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2015, 11:42:50 am
So 'Hot Ryu' is shirtless to show off his muscles and hyper-masculinity in order to emphasize his combat prowess. Mika is virtually shirtless to show off her tits.

Big strong man punch thing hard vs. I like boobies.

Ah yes, the "male power fantasy" refrain.  Well, romance novels are intended for women.  But if you see a man on one's cover, chances are he's muscular and shirtless.  Obviously, enough women find that attractive for it to be a viable marketing tactic.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on September 01, 2015, 11:54:51 am
So 'Hot Ryu' is shirtless to show off his muscles and hyper-masculinity in order to emphasize his combat prowess. Mika is virtually shirtless to show off her tits.

Big strong man punch thing hard vs. I like boobies.

Ah yes, the "male power fantasy" refrain.  Well, romance novels are intended for women.  But if you see a man on one's cover, chances are he's muscular and shirtless.  Obviously, enough women find that attractive for it to be a viable marketing tactic.

Of course it's a viable marketing tactic for attracting bored, middle age and older housewives.

Now, could you please remind me what the target demographic is for the video game in question?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2015, 12:02:11 pm
So 'Hot Ryu' is shirtless to show off his muscles and hyper-masculinity in order to emphasize his combat prowess. Mika is virtually shirtless to show off her tits.

Big strong man punch thing hard vs. I like boobies.

Ah yes, the "male power fantasy" refrain.  Well, romance novels are intended for women.  But if you see a man on one's cover, chances are he's muscular and shirtless.  Obviously, enough women find that attractive for it to be a viable marketing tactic.

Of course it's a viable marketing tactic for attracting bored, middle age and older housewives.

Now, could you please remind me what the target demographic is for the video game in question?

Aren't most gamers women these days?  It's a slim majority, but a majority nevertheless.

And if it's okay for something female-oriented to have beefcake, why is it wrong for something (supposedly) male-oriented to have cheesecake?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on September 01, 2015, 12:17:04 pm
If you include all gamers of the broadest definition of video games, including free online point-and-click ultra casual stuff, yes, women are more than half because that category definition is as wide as the world, basically. If you mean gamers as in MMO, PSN and Xbox Live, etc., women are possibly about 5% less than half to date. One thing about uber-muscle male characters is that they are probably meant to appeal to both sexes for different reasons, role model for one and sex object for the other. Hyper-sexy, jiggly female characters are so ubiquitous that straight females probably only register them as just another annoyance that one deals with to play an otherwise good game. Sometimes the characters' hyper-sexy pandering allegedly to appeal to young straight males is downright hilarious, at least for a lesbian like me. I enjoy playing TR/Lara Croft games, but her tits and ass have always been characters in their own right, just like Jessica Rabbit's.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2015, 03:48:13 pm
If you include all gamers of the broadest definition of video games, including free online point-and-click ultra casual stuff, yes, women are more than half because that category definition is as wide as the world, basically. If you mean gamers as in MMO, PSN and Xbox Live, etc., women are possibly about 5% less than half to date. One thing about uber-muscle male characters is that they are probably meant to appeal to both sexes for different reasons, role model for one and sex object for the other. Hyper-sexy, jiggly female characters are so ubiquitous that straight females probably only register them as just another annoyance that one deals with to play an otherwise good game. Sometimes the characters' hyper-sexy pandering allegedly to appeal to young straight males is downright hilarious, at least for a lesbian like me. I enjoy playing TR/Lara Croft games, but her tits and ass have always been characters in their own right, just like Jessica Rabbit's.

I guess you have a point, at least about some female characters.  But keep in mind, the line between "sex object" and "female power fantasy" is rather blurry.  Power fantasies aren't just about kicking ass.  More often than not, they're also about looking good doing it.  They're wish fulfillment, with everything that entails.  How many men want to be the Thing?  I'm pretty sure most guys don't think being made of orange rock is an acceptable tradeoff for superpowers.  Batman, on the other hand, is nowhere near as powerful, but I think most guys would rather be him than Ben Grimm.

It's the same for women.  Bayonetta, for example, was created by a woman, and plenty of women adore her.  This isn't just true for video games.  I looked up the statistics.  Many, many sexualized comic book heroines have dedicated female fanbases.

And it should be taken into account that there are female "eye candy" characters who look legitimately tough.  Cammy White, for example.  She is jacked.  Where, exactly, does she fall?  She's got too much visible musculature to fall into the stereotypes of sexualized women, and yet plenty of men find her attractive.  Then again, said musculature breaks the mold when it comes to all too many female characters in video games.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing less sexualized female characters in mainstream games.  But I'd prefer that this involves creating new characters, rather than changing existing ones.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 03, 2015, 07:38:42 am
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So, African-Americans are owed reparations for slavery, huh? By that logic, Italy owes reparations to Spain, Tunisia, Greece, Algeria, Morocco, Turkey, Syria, France, Egypt, the UK, Israel, Romania, Iraq, and all the other countries that were conquered by Rome, since Ancient Rome took slaves from all its conquests.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 03, 2015, 09:51:57 am
The Republic of Italy is not the same government as the Empire of Rome, though. The USA has the same government now as we did back then, so the idea of reparations makes more sense.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on September 04, 2015, 06:50:40 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a5K65PO_460s.jpg)

originally titled "modern activism".

once upon a time, activism could get you in trouble. nowadays, it gets you followers on tumblr.

humanity fail.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on September 04, 2015, 07:59:50 pm
-snip-

originally titled "modern activism".

once upon a time, activism could get you in trouble. nowadays, it gets you followers on tumblr.

humanity fail.

I'm pretty sure the intended point of that was to sharply criticize tumblrinas and gators that attach themselves to photoshopped holding-a-piece-of-paper templates.

The whole format is just begging for dishonest reuse.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on September 06, 2015, 10:57:01 am
Well, yeah.  It's all too easy to 'shop in "I eat my own boogers" or something, especially given how straight and even the text is.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2015, 11:02:19 am
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/013/389/dc9.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on September 07, 2015, 02:17:36 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/013/389/dc9.jpg)

Even that's not right: someone is in jail for defying a court order.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Random Dinosaur on September 07, 2015, 05:04:21 pm
(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/285e036f267f30fa0fb632e4591117e74fdaa31b0faad3283edea9c79294d4df_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2015, 05:23:14 pm
(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/285e036f267f30fa0fb632e4591117e74fdaa31b0faad3283edea9c79294d4df_1.jpg)

Grass is green.

The Pope is Catholic.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 07, 2015, 05:46:24 pm
(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/285e036f267f30fa0fb632e4591117e74fdaa31b0faad3283edea9c79294d4df_1.jpg)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on September 07, 2015, 06:58:02 pm
Ben Carson is an outlier and shouldn't be counted.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 07, 2015, 08:21:30 pm
Ben Carson is an outlier and shouldn't be counted.

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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2015, 08:37:25 pm
FFS, it's a joke, D-Par!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 07, 2015, 08:46:55 pm
FFS, it's a joke, D-Par!

I'm playing the straight man.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2015, 08:56:37 pm
FFS, it's a joke, D-Par!

I'm playing the straight man.

Sorry, but you're no Graham Chapman.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on September 07, 2015, 09:09:04 pm
And you're no....well you're not a very funny guy but it's not nice to point that out.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 08, 2015, 01:31:21 am
FFS, it's a joke, D-Par!

I'm playing the straight man.

Sorry, but you're no Graham Chapman.

And Graham Chapman wasn't exactly a straight man either.

*Badump tish*
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 08, 2015, 04:22:19 pm
Askold wins the thread.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on September 09, 2015, 06:58:56 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aepOZeO_460s.jpg)

i found this really clever.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 08:46:43 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/25ibqps.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on September 14, 2015, 04:51:36 pm
UP, I can't appreciate that one, because "gaslighting" is in fact a thing that real, live abusers do to their victims.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on September 14, 2015, 04:54:24 pm
Also that just comes across as "these people talking about their abuse aren't REALLY abused, they're just whining about not having perfect partners"
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 05:02:46 pm
UP, I can't appreciate that one, because "gaslighting" is in fact a thing that real, live abusers do to their victims.

Yes, but it the term is ridiculously overused on much of the Social Justice side of Tumblr.

Also that just comes across as "these people talking about their abuse aren't REALLY abused, they're just whining about not having perfect partners"

Again, certain parts of Tumblr have a ludicrously broad definition of abuse.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 14, 2015, 08:19:23 pm
OK, sure, but you're kind of tarring the whole website with the same brush, and it's a big wesbite. I mean, I'm sure my Tumblr experience is atypical*, but it's really weird when people go "everyone on tumblr is an SJW which always abuses X term" and I never see it happen in my dash, ever.


*by design. I tend to limit myself to a few very specific communities and fandoms.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 08:39:25 pm
OK, sure, but you're kind of tarring the whole website with the same brush, and it's a big wesbite. I mean, I'm sure my Tumblr experience is atypical*, but it's really weird when people go "everyone on tumblr is an SJW which always abuses X term" and I never see it happen in my dash, ever.


*by design. I tend to limit myself to a few very specific communities and fandoms.

Um, no I wasn't.  I used qualifiers like "much of" and "parts of".  I don't believe in broad strokes characterization such big and diverse websites.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 14, 2015, 09:06:36 pm
I mean the original image post. Which wasn't yours, but you at least endorsed it.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on September 15, 2015, 11:35:16 am
Quote from: tumblr user rubyfruitjumble
Video game man: This is my strong female video game character, her name is Sexy Boob. She wears a thong, but the twist is that she has to wear the thong. If she takes the thong off she will die. So as you can see, it is not at all for the benefit of the male viewers because the thong is very important to the story and I am going to jack off now thank you for all the money
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 15, 2015, 11:39:44 am
Quote from: tumblr user rubyfruitjumble
Video game man: This is my strong female video game character, her name is Sexy Boob. She wears a thong, but the twist is that she has to wear the thong. If she takes the thong off she will die. So as you can see, it is not at all for the benefit of the male viewers because the thong is very important to the story and I am going to jack off now thank you for all the money

(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/files/2014/01/StrawMan2.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 15, 2015, 01:36:39 pm
...I think that refers to "Quiet" from Metal gear solid 5 and honestly, her character seems to be there mainly for fan service and the excuse for her not wearing anything other than underwear and stockings (because she would die if she would wear clothes that cover more) does seem like an excuse and nothing else. But I haven't seen the game all the way to the end so there might still be a surprise.

(The actual justification has a few holes since the other people that underwent the same treatment wear clothes and even armour and all in all it gives me the impression that Kojima and his team started with the idea of having her dressed revealingly and thought of a reason afterwards.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: VainRobot on September 15, 2015, 03:39:55 pm
Well it's no secret that Kojima is a horndog. The true reasonings behind her design are rather transparent (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 15, 2015, 03:59:36 pm
Well it's no secret that Kojima is a horndog. The true reasonings behind her design are rather transparent (no pun intended).

Huh, I didn't know he was bi.

(http://i.imgur.com/YCWpIqr.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suL5p3x7IfE
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: VainRobot on September 15, 2015, 04:50:16 pm
Yep, Kojima is an ass-man. He may be straight, but that doesn't mean he can resist designing a well-toned ass.

ETA:

Exhibit A: http://fuckyeahmetalgearbutts.tumblr.com/ (http://fuckyeahmetalgearbutts.tumblr.com/)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 15, 2015, 09:54:56 pm
Damn, that's some impressive moose-knuckle.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 16, 2015, 10:23:32 am
God damn, Snake's testicles look like they're the size of fucking golf balls.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on September 16, 2015, 10:27:29 am
Diminishing perspective view? Cuz his back looks as twisted as King Richard III's from that angle, too. Also, sac sweat odor thru the spandex...eww.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: VainRobot on September 16, 2015, 10:45:56 am
God damn, Snake's testicles look like they're the size of fucking golf balls.

Snake promotes unrealistic body standards for clones.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 16, 2015, 04:37:37 pm
a) Quiet is a poorly made character and would be one even if she were male. Kojima has done some well written character but for "reasons" the females are usually worse off.

b) After those pictures of a refugee that claimed he had been an ISIS fighter before becoming a refugee were proven to be false (he had in fact been fighting AGAINST ISIS.) people have started to make jokes about it. Particularly I have seen several Finnish ones that follow the same theme but replace the refugee with actors. This one was in English and has an actor that people outside of Finland might recognize.

(https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11218052_515492215278060_576798158186330838_n.jpg?oh=d97d024b6d17d3ce531afc245303f0c1&oe=56A73D4F)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 05:24:06 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/22712d0aca69ae77b27bc04f5c975dec/tumblr_nuuo6h1uiV1qb5gkjo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cataclysm on September 22, 2015, 11:50:23 am
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/12038735_10204841719514785_6737363456556544016_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on September 22, 2015, 01:13:53 pm
Should've gone under "Fascist Things Corporations Say on the Internet".
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 22, 2015, 03:16:00 pm
Should've gone under "Fascist Things Corporations Say on the Internet".

Quote from: George Orwell
The word "fascism" now has no meaning except insofar as it signifies something not desirable.

You'd think he was talking about the internet when he said that...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 22, 2015, 03:18:53 pm
Should've gone under "Fascist Things Corporations Say on the Internet".
Now you are going to have to explain yourself. How do you see anything like fascism in that statement? Fascist society is a dictatorship with powerful nationalistic government. Do you equate preventing kids from committing suicide with fascism?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 22, 2015, 03:22:45 pm
Should've gone under "Fascist Things Corporations Say on the Internet".
Now you are going to have to explain yourself. How do you see anything like fascism in that statement? Fascist society is a dictatorship with powerful nationalistic government. Do you equate preventing kids from committing suicide with fascism?

Fascism's more complicated than that, but that's neither here nor there.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 22, 2015, 03:26:11 pm
Should've gone under "Fascist Things Corporations Say on the Internet".
Now you are going to have to explain yourself. How do you see anything like fascism in that statement? Fascist society is a dictatorship with powerful nationalistic government. Do you equate preventing kids from committing suicide with fascism?

Fascism's more complicated than that, but that's neither here nor there.

Well yes, but if you want to make a single sentence summary of fascism that is as good as any. Most definitions I have seen are like that and then add a mention of Mussolini's regime being the real definer.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on September 22, 2015, 03:37:13 pm
Should've gone under "Fascist Things Corporations Say on the Internet".
Now you are going to have to explain yourself. How do you see anything like fascism in that statement? Fascist society is a dictatorship with powerful nationalistic government. Do you equate preventing kids from committing suicide with fascism?

Don't put words in my mouth.

Quote from: Doritos
what is funny is that with the ruling of Citizens United in 2010, corporations very much DO have business in promoting political agendas.

I thought fascism was an appropriate label because fascism is the union of the powers of corporation and state.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 22, 2015, 03:48:30 pm
Should've gone under "Fascist Things Corporations Say on the Internet".
Now you are going to have to explain yourself. How do you see anything like fascism in that statement? Fascist society is a dictatorship with powerful nationalistic government. Do you equate preventing kids from committing suicide with fascism?

Don't put words in my mouth.

Quote from: Doritos
what is funny is that with the ruling of Citizens United in 2010, corporations very much DO have business in promoting political agendas.

I thought fascism was an appropriate label because fascism is the union of the powers of corporation and state.

Yeah, that's not actually true.  Mussolini was taken out of context.  When he said "corporate power", he was referring to the various sectors (corpi) of the Italian economy, not corporations.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on September 22, 2015, 06:16:55 pm
So I guess Ironchew isn't aware of a lot of things.  Such as that's not actually Doritios' customer support but a known troll.

Ironbite-but then again Ironchew as the awareness of a slug so...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on September 23, 2015, 12:03:51 am
Boom goes the dynamite. (http://rookiewompus.tumblr.com/post/129683502117/seeing-all-this-hate-on-cis-men-on-tumblr-is)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on September 24, 2015, 06:02:01 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aAp2Yz2_460s.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 24, 2015, 08:10:32 am
If they ran a few ads, I'm sure they could get by without needing to beg.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on September 24, 2015, 11:23:27 am
I'm very thankful they don't do ads, though. And I contribute a few bucks whenever they put up a donation campaign.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 24, 2015, 04:31:19 pm
Because Wikipedia isn't trying to make money and Facebook is? Because Facebook collects valuable information about you and Wikipedia doesn't? Because if people complain about Wikipedia being unreliable now imagine what they'll say if they are dependent on advertising?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 02, 2015, 11:35:16 am
Quote
"A white man and an elderly Native man became pretty good friends, so the white guy decided to ask him: “What do you think about Indian mascots?” The Native elder responded, “Here’s what you’ve got to understand. When you look at black people, you see ghosts of all the slavery and the rapes and the hangings and the chains.

When you look at Jews, you see ghosts of all those bodies piled up in death camps. And those ghosts keep you trying to do the right thing. “But when you look at us you don’t see the ghosts of the little babies with their heads smashed in by rifle butts at the Big Hole, or the old folks dying by the side of the trail on the way to Oklahoma while their families cried and tried to make them comfortable, or the dead mothers at Wounded Knee or the little kids at Sand Creek who were shot for target practice. You don’t see any ghosts at all.

“Instead you see casinos and drunks and junk cars and shacks. “Well, we see those ghosts. And they make our hearts sad and they hurt our little children. And when we try to say something, you tell us, ‘Get over it. This is America. Look at the American dream.’ But as long as you’re calling us Redskins and doing tomahawk chops, we can’t look at the American dream, because those things remind us that we are not real human beings to you. And when people aren’t humans, you can turn them into slaves or kill six million of them or shoot them down with Hotchkiss guns and throw them into mass graves at Wounded Knee. “No, we’re not looking at the American dream. And why should we? We still haven’t woken up from the American nightmare."

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 02, 2015, 11:05:06 pm
Quote
All these secular dictators from before the Arab Spring are the good guys to reddit now because they're not "filthy mudslimes".

Someone summed up the hypocrisy well when they pointed out that these same people decry drone strikes as evil state terrorism because of their shady legality and collateral damage then turn around and praise the most disgusting kind of mass murdering dictators like Saddam, al-Assad, Gaddafi, etc. as great men because they "kept the extremists in line."

Like it's okay to murder 500,000 of your own population and bulldoze them into mass graves, as long as it was to maintain your own power and not in the name of God. It's reddit's anti-theist movement taken to its logical extreme.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on October 03, 2015, 09:22:16 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aBrXAXA_460s_v1.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on October 03, 2015, 10:19:37 am
It takes intelligent, professional clowns to critique terrible amateur clowns' failures.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 04, 2015, 08:19:31 pm
Quote
The politicalisation of the Charlie Hebdo massacre is disgusting. Honestly the most hideous thing I've seen in years. There is no "justification" there are no "two sides" to the story. There is only a spree murder.

Yet I keep seeing people frame it as deserved. Comments along the lines of "I'm not saying they deserved to die. I'm just saying the world is a better place with them dead.". Long opinion pieces about how the cartoon was racist and right wing and this and so on and on. No. You write "I fully condemn the actions of the murderers and my thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones" and then you put a full stop and then you stop writing.You do not get to put a "but..." at the end. You do not get to make this political as if a there is a direct and logical path of cause and effect from drawing to murder.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on October 05, 2015, 03:23:50 am
Mostly apt, but there's not really anything wrong per se with talking about how Charlie Hebdo is a shitrag. You can condemn the actions of the killers and send your thoughts to those who have lost loves ones and criticize Charlie Hebdo simultaneously, after all.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 05, 2015, 07:14:42 am
And what were they supposed to have done that qualifies as a "shitrag"?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on October 05, 2015, 07:31:03 am
...all that Islamophobic shit that incited the killers in the first place?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 05, 2015, 07:52:28 am
They shit on all religions, as I recall (and rightly so, might I add). Islam deserves no special treatment, despite what some may claim.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on October 05, 2015, 08:46:31 am
And what were they supposed to have done that qualifies as a "shitrag"?

basically, to be politically incorrect. they're old-school anarchists. they are not racist, but they use and exaggerate racist rhetoric to dirty the racist politicians' pr squads. they are irreverent to the point of frank insult. they are the bad kind of satire (throw shit everywhere and laugh about it). but as far as i'm concerned, even if i don't read them, they have their place. i prefer the canard enchainé, who targets fewer but with more intensity. conservation of satire, if you will.

the only critique i can make of charlie hebdo is that it's not my cup of tea.

oh, and for anyone who cares to cite the "but they drew a minister as a monkey! racists!" yeah, that's because one of the front national's (extreme right wing party) goons called christianne taubira a monkey (racist insult). they just highlighted it to show how stupid the one responsible was.

they're not funny, they're the journalistic equivalent of 4chan, humor-wise. they use shock tactics and dead baby comedy. but they're not a shitrag.

even then, i dare you to read what they say about the catholic church. trust me, in one article they basically said we should abandon the term "cardinal" and replace it with "pedophile". does that make them christophobic or generally antireligious?

charlie hebdo, unlike other satirical french journals is not meant to be taken at face value. when the canard says "hollande is doing a shit job and here is a cartoon of him eating a sandwich dripping mayonnaise on a peace treaty", it means exactly what it means. when charlie hebdo does a shocking cartoon, it's meant to shock and make you think. thus the gratuitous nudity, penises, and puke and shit.

if they're islamophobic, then we're all hypocrites. because they don't give a fuck. that's their mantra. they're dickheads by all accounts. but they're not racist or islamophobic. and that's the toughest thing i can do on this forum is to try and convince you guys of that. charlie hebdo is indiscriminate, they're not racially or politically or religiously motivated. they trash everyone equally. in the 90's and 00's they ran 23 covers about the catholic church and the pedophile scandals including showing the pope benedict xvi sodomizing a choir boy while wearing nazi regalia. in interviews, after being asked if they did this as an anticatholic act, they answered "because it was funny. next week it might be about jews, or about bhuddists, or about muslims. but there is one thing we'll keep on doing, and that is to make fun of people".

just because i tell a joke about jews does that make me antisemitic? no, it means i have a politically incorrect sense of humor. same deal. i'm sure you all laugh at some grim things (the bad jokes thread, for example, is rife with horrible jokes including genocide). they just make money off it.

... i don't like the paper and i won't call them heroes of free speech (being dickheads), but i won't abide for victim blaming either. and even then, you basically said they deserved it. nobody deserves to get shot for a sick sense of humor.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on October 05, 2015, 09:12:10 am
The Je Suis Charlie thing and explanations (for non-French readers) about Charlie Hebdo's style of rank, irreverent humor was all over the net and media for weeks. I guess some people never could not get past being appalled by seeing the cartoons out of their intended context, and never read that Parody of what racists and bad pols and powerful pigs say was the point of CH humor.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on October 05, 2015, 09:28:21 am
... i don't like the paper and i won't call them heroes of free speech (being dickheads), but i won't abide for victim blaming either. and even then, you basically said they deserved it. nobody deserves to get shot for a sick sense of humor.

...where exactly did I say that? All I said was that Charlie Hebdo's Islamophobia was the reason the attack happened. Nowhere did I say that they deserved getting shot. You really need to stop putting words in people's mouths, my dude, it's a bad habit.

Like I said: you can condemn the attackers and express negative sentiment about Charlie Hebdo at the same time. These are not somehow mutually exclusive.

(And while the posters above express some fine points, I personally believe that "I'm not a bigot, I hate everyone equally"-rhetoric is bullshit. If you steal a hundred dollars from a poor guy and a millionaire, you're not stealing equally.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on October 05, 2015, 11:06:14 am
...all that Islamophobic shit that incited the killers in the first place?

not "deserving", rather "opposite and equal reaction", my apologies.

this sentence could be interpreted as "they got what was coming to them". i'm not putting words in people's mouths. words are double-edged, especially around here where one badly-said sentence sparks a flame-war.

i know you can do both, hell, i've called them dickheads a few times, among other choice insults all the while raging about this tragedy (and its politization).

re: bigotry and theft. it's not the same parallel and you know it. the paper makes its money off of mocking everything. from monsanto to vegans, from capitalists from communists. they're indiscriminate because their sole point of existence is to piss people off. however, there's a difference between slander (moral prejudice) and theft or usury (physical prejudice). both are harmful in their own way but don't equate one with the other. honestly, i'd rather be tarred and feathered than losing my cash. and if we want to be pedantic, they're more of an "eat the rich mentality" so will actually target the rich over the poor (while making jokes about welfare babies in freezers, but hey, misanthropists.)
as i mentionned before, humor is cultural, and charlie hebdo keeps alive a french tradition of being the worst assholes you can imagine while technically doing nothing wrong. as in, they're not outright libelling, lying, or infringing free speech. what they say is a bunch of crap most of the time, but they have the right to do it. also, once again, nobody deserves to be shot for having an opinion i don't like. those are totalitarian tactics and cannot be tolerated in a democracy. if the situation was reversed and it had been a bigoted newspaper that was shot up i'd be saying the same. i don't like what "la croix" (a conservative paper) writes but i don't want them silenced either.

so long as it stays in the domain of satire, everything should be said. hell, pierre desproges said it better than me "you can laugh about everything, but not with everyone".
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 05, 2015, 01:51:15 pm
...all that Islamophobic shit that incited the killers in the first place?


Oh, you mean those HARMLESS CARTOONS? Maybe if these Muslims are so upset about HARMLESS CARTOONS, no matter how harsh these FUCKING CARTOONS are, that they are driven to murder, they instead could:

A) Get the fuck over it
B) Go cry somewhere else

Blasphemy is a victimless crime, and Islam does not deserve to be treated any lighter than all the other mythical nonsense out there.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 05, 2015, 02:48:56 pm
Can you really call a magazine Islamophobic for criticizing, even vulgarly and virulently, all religions, including Islam?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on October 05, 2015, 03:20:30 pm
Can you really call a magazine Islamophobic for criticizing, even vulgarly and virulently, all religions, including Islam?

the words you're looking for are either "antireligious", "irreverent", or "equal-opportunity assholes", depending on your viewpoint. "antisemitic", "christophobic", and "islamophobic" are not appropriate.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 05, 2015, 04:23:03 pm
Can you really call a magazine Islamophobic for criticizing, even vulgarly and virulently, all religions, including Islam?

...yes?

Or at least it does not disqualify them from being Islamophobic. Islamophobia is not about hating Islam more than anything else, it's about hating Islam for stupid reasons.

If today I start talking about how black people are all scum who steal and rape, and tomorrow I start talking about how Hispanics are all lazy and dirty, and the next day I talk about how white people are all colonial oppressors, and the next day I talk about Native Americans being alcoholics...

I'm not magically not racist. I'm just racist against a lot of people. Including myself, but not the point.

Similarly, saying that all Muslims are terrorists and that all Catholics are paedophiles and that all Asatruar are Neo-Nazis doesn't make me not prejudiced. It makes me prejudiced against multiple groups (not saying this is what Charlie Hebdo did, just putting as an example).

I don't know enough about Charlie Hebdo to say if they're Islamophobic, but I don't think "I'm prejudiced against everyone" is a valid defence.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on October 05, 2015, 05:41:30 pm
I don't know enough about Charlie Hebdo to say if they're Islamophobic, but I don't think "I'm prejudiced against everyone" is a valid defence.

it's their defense, and they've stuck by it since the paper's inception. besides, they don't purposely call out radical islam because it's islam. but because it's radical. faith is secondary. combine that with a trollface and the attention span of a goldfish, and you disregard them pretty quickly. until they get shot up. then it's all about "free speech" and "heroes" and politicking. they've gone on record to say that this tragedy hit them hard (france lost some of their most talented cartoonists that day), but it also revived the paper instead of killing it. they were down to less than 50,000 subscribers, barely enough to keep them afloat. following january 11, the number tripled, making it overnight one of the top-selling papers. the next edition, the "all is forgiven" cartoon, sold out. of a run of 5 million. they had to do a reprint. that never happened before. they're thankful for the hipocrisy of the french (as in "we don't care. oh, look victims let's help them.") but they won't change their m.o. all the same. they like being assholes and have taken it upon themselves to be the quintessential assholes, no, the flagship assholes. representing all that is assholish in satirical journalism. almost like bigotry doesn't factor in. they'll kick the dog for the lulz because nobody else will. and somebody has to kick the dog.

seriously, these guys are trolls, edgelords and anti-clerical misanthropists. but they're not racist or targetting religions because of specifics. at least, not to my definition of the term. then again, language barriers may be at play. islamophobia in french is explicitely hating on islam because it's islam (and by extension, hating arabs and maghribi). saying "the quran is stupid" is not islamophobic just as saying "the torah is stupid" is not anti-semitic. it's anti-religious. saying "imams should go back to fucking goats" is islamophobic, however.

i've got a bad feeling i'm unclear on the distinction. the stomach flu doesn't help, but i want to try to clear this up.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on October 06, 2015, 04:26:20 pm
...all that Islamophobic shit that incited the killers in the first place?


Oh, you mean those HARMLESS CARTOONS? Maybe if these Muslims are so upset about HARMLESS CARTOONS, no matter how harsh these FUCKING CARTOONS are, that they are driven to murder, they instead could:

A) Get the fuck over it
B) Go cry somewhere else

Blasphemy is a victimless crime, and Islam does not deserve to be treated any lighter than all the other mythical nonsense out there.

OK, so what about their antisemitic cartoons?  (Remember, I married a Jew.  Antisemitism is a hot-button issue.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 06, 2015, 06:45:03 pm
They guy who drew that "antisemitic" cartoon was fired for singling out a specific person and not an idea, and was an actual anti-semite (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/05/charlie-hebdo-trudeau-pen-garland/392255/)

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Siné, of course, was not ridiculing a Jewish idea. Instead, he was deploying an anti-Jewish canard—that Jews maintain a protective cabal designed to advance each other’s interests—against an individual, living person. His comment was not a theological critique, but a libelous accusation. Siné was asked by the magazine’s editor to apologize to Sarkozy’s son, but he refused and was fired. (Siné, by the way, has described himself as a Jew-hater. "Yes, I am anti-Semitic and I am not scared to admit it," he once said. "I want all Jews to live in fear, unless they are pro-Palestinian. Let them die.")

I think we can all agree that's different from their general attacks on the religion of Islam.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on October 07, 2015, 07:57:46 am
Sigma mostly said what what was on my mind (fist bump).

Quote from: guizonde

re: bigotry and theft. it's not the same parallel and you know it. the paper makes its money off of mocking everything. from monsanto to vegans, from capitalists from communists. they're indiscriminate because their sole point of existence is to piss people off. however, there's a difference between slander (moral prejudice) and theft or usury (physical prejudice). both are harmful in their own way but don't equate one with the other. honestly, i'd rather be tarred and feathered than losing my cash. and if we want to be pedantic, they're more of an "eat the rich mentality" so will actually target the rich over the poor (while making jokes about welfare babies in freezers, but hey, misanthropists.)

Note to self: don't use metaphors with guizonde.

But eh, I can admit that my metaphor wasn't the clearest one. Instead, allow me to use a different one.

Imagine that there are two people in front of you right now: a middle-aged person, rather fit, works out a lot and eats well, isn't sick or injured in any way; and an old person, body about to fail on them, sick, organs not working right, has to walk with a stick.

You walk up to both of these people... and you punch them both in the gut with all of your power. The same amount of strength.

The fit, middle-aged person is in pain, obviously, but they're not actually injured per se. You might even hurt your own fist because they're so muscular, hot damn, you could grate cheese on their abs. The old person, on the other hand, isn't so fortunate. Disrupted organ functions. Internal bleeding. Possibly broken bones. Maybe even shock. All that good shit.

Now... have you punched them equally?

And THAT is why "I hate everyone equally" is bollocks.

And re: "well they're not intending to be racist so they're not actually being racist": it doesn't work that way? Intent actually means far less than people think it means. If I throw a knife at someone not to hurt them specifically but because I think it's funny to throw knives at people, then I'm still throwing a physical knife at someone and it's still going to cause damage because it's a knife and it doesn't care why it was thrown. Geez.

And sure, whatever, calling the Torah stupid isn't anti-Semitic if you're commenting on the irrationality of religious text. But there's a difference between saying "the Torah is stupid because its contents are irrational" and "the Torah is a piece of shit and everyone who believes in it is crazy". And if you're just singling out a single religious group's holy text in lieu of expressing a distaste about the inanity of religious texts in general, then that's, you know, singling out a single religious group. The difference between "the Torah is a religious text, all religious texts are stupid, therefore the Torah is stupid" and "the Torah specifically is stupid", if that makes sense.

...wow, looks I had more to say than I thought. Not all of it might be worded well because I'm running a fever, but hey, had to get back on the saddle.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on October 07, 2015, 08:40:35 am
you're right about what you're saying, of course. anybody with an ounce of common sense can see that. however, i still think you're slippery-sloping the argument by going from words to deeds (reminds me of my philosophy baccalaureate, which it was the subject). in reverse it becomes. a says tons of nice things about minorities and brags about it. b does very helpful things to a minority and doesn't brag about it. who's nicer? this argument can go on and on.

for the "i hate people" actually, in france it does work that way. so long as you a: rag on litterally everything in an equal and proportionnate manner, and b: you don't fall into hate-speech. it's one of those loopholes that has stopped france from mostly falling into the social justice zealot territory (thanks spuki). don't get me started on the large number of misogynists, machos and misandrists however. if you go from words to deeds, though, you'll get the full force of the judiciary system thrown at you, and you'll be blacklisted forever. iirc, the difference between murder (15-30 years with up to 20 years without parole) and hate-crime becomes the maximum sentence, including life in prison with no chance of parole. that's why satirists and bigots dance a fine line and make sure to always disculp themselves when it goes from words to deeds.

anti-semitism in france is pretty strict (thank the occupation and the collaborators for that). but you can't get in trouble for saying "the torah is stupid and it's a stupid faith in the first place", because you're targetting a faith and not the people. although, saying that would count as anti-hebraism. it's just not enforced in france, because france is so anti-religious in the first place, even if they make efforts to let people practice their faith freely (like hallal meals at school). doesn't stop the bigots griping. then charlie hebdo will do a cartoon exaggerating what the bigots are saying. then people will laugh or gripe. doesn't change the game.
basically, you can be anything, but not free from ridicule. whoever you may be.

let's leave it at "they're assholes, and they have the right to do so".
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on October 07, 2015, 12:25:51 pm
Fine. Charlie Hebdo is full of assholes that have the legal right to be assholes. Let's just celebrate that we managed to reach some kind of common point and drop this, because my mystical Nostradamus powers tell me  that this will be a frustrating drag if we don't.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 12, 2015, 11:29:15 pm
https://twitter.com/snowden/status/653724738280386561 (https://twitter.com/snowden/status/653724738280386561)

Quote from: Edward Snowden
An individual trying to limit speech at universities is interested in neither university nor justice.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 13, 2015, 06:38:46 am
Based Snowden. Leaks government secrets and doesn't afraid of anything.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 31, 2015, 09:37:31 am
Here's a writer for Steven Universe weighing in on the fanart controversy:

http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/post/131942143013/kaisermon-an-important-message-from-one-of-the (http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/post/131942143013/kaisermon-an-important-message-from-one-of-the)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on October 31, 2015, 11:18:44 am
why do i get the feeling they're about to be called out for enabling prejudice? word of god used to be sacred, nowadays, headcanons are more important...

still, "live and let live" is a message i can get behind.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 12:05:24 pm
http://luchagcaileag.tumblr.com/image/132464869234
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 03, 2015, 04:50:53 pm
why do i get the feeling they're about to be called out for enabling prejudice? word of god used to be sacred, nowadays, headcanons are more important...

If by nowadays you mean "since 1967 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author)", sure.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on November 03, 2015, 07:28:12 pm
thanks sigma, i legitimately learned something today. i always knew of roland barthes, but never got to study him specifically in my cursus. didn't know he was the author behind this essay. i'll have to get my hands on it, seems interesting.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 05, 2015, 02:57:54 pm
Quote from: tumblr user jean-luc-gohard
My favorite is that story every white person has that’s like, “My friend didn’t get into her dream school because they took a black guy with a lower GPA instead.” As though they were in the admissions office and heard the admissions officers going, “Well, there’s one spot left, and we have to choose between this brilliant white girl or this black idiot. I guess we’ll choose the black guy, because Affirmative Action means we have to!” They don’t know their friend’s exact GPA or that of the person who “got in instead,” or if they applied to the same program, or if one had a lower GPA but better test scores or extracurriculars or volunteer hours or personal statement, or if the other was a legacy. All they know is, “My white friend got rejected, but there are black people at the school,” and they see their white friends as being inherently smarter and more worthy of an education, so they assume automatically that the black people there are unqualified and were unfairly accepted.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mythbuster43 on November 06, 2015, 01:30:41 pm
Quote from: tumblr user jean-luc-gohard
My favorite is that story every white person has that’s like, “My friend didn’t get into her dream school because they took a black guy with a lower GPA instead.” As though they were in the admissions office and heard the admissions officers going, “Well, there’s one spot left, and we have to choose between this brilliant white girl or this black idiot. I guess we’ll choose the black guy, because Affirmative Action means we have to!” They don’t know their friend’s exact GPA or that of the person who “got in instead,” or if they applied to the same program, or if one had a lower GPA but better test scores or extracurriculars or volunteer hours or personal statement, or if the other was a legacy. All they know is, “My white friend got rejected, but there are black people at the school,” and they see their white friends as being inherently smarter and more worthy of an education, so they assume automatically that the black people there are unqualified and were unfairly accepted.

This person wins the internets.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 10, 2015, 02:27:00 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/3e36838b9f2638026ae1280d811b0578/tumblr_nvr1jdKfv71r9j5fzo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 10:08:36 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/bfjssj.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on November 11, 2015, 10:20:12 am
Sorry, but that's pretty much a conspiracy theory-like and uninformed opinion. Yes, there are a fuck-ton of neurotic middle schooler mentality SJW cliques on Tumblr, and we love making fun of them. They should hardly cause the level of generalization and paranoia I'm seeing in this post quote. Sure, when the bitchy kiddies harass someone, they should be called out on it, preferable by Tumblr admin, but Tumblr does not seem to care enough to spend the resources on that.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 11, 2015, 10:30:34 am
I love how these jagoffs think that telling people to stop being racist/sexist counts as "cultish" and "abuse".
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 11:54:14 am
I love how these jagoffs think that telling people to stop being racist/sexist counts as "cultish" and "abuse".

What about driving somebody to suicide?

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on November 11, 2015, 12:39:56 pm
I love how these jagoffs think that telling people to stop being racist/sexist counts as "cultish" and "abuse".
They were complaining about how SJWs are told to cut their contact to anyone who isn't "one of them" which is a thing that cults do. Certainly cutting ties to people who are incredibly racist might not be that bad (unless everyone one of your friends and relatives is a racist in which case you might get lonely unless you find new friends) but the claim for demand to cut ties with anyone who is "white cissexual" is a bit different. ...IF it is true that anon was in a SJW group that was so strict...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mythbuster43 on November 11, 2015, 01:13:48 pm
I love how these jagoffs think that telling people to stop being racist/sexist counts as "cultish" and "abuse".
They were complaining about how SJWs are told to cut their contact to anyone who isn't "one of them" which is a thing that cults do. Certainly cutting ties to people who are incredibly racist might not be that bad (unless everyone one of your friends and relatives is a racist in which case you might get lonely unless you find new friends) but the claim for demand to cut ties with anyone who is "white cissexual" is a bit different. ...IF it is true that anon was in a SJW group that was so strict...

Yeah, cutting ties to everyone that's a white heterosexual (I am NOT referring to them as "cis") will make one very lonely in most Western countries.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 11, 2015, 01:17:24 pm
Yeah, I'm calling it too. That was a strawman. No one aside from troll blogs and strawmen (and possivly fringe lunatics) would advocate cutting ties with people just because they're cis.

And Myth? Heterosexuality and cisgenderness are two entirely different things.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on November 11, 2015, 01:21:53 pm
Ah, my mistake. I misremembered what the post said, I know that being cis and being straight are not the same thing.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 11, 2015, 03:45:45 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 19, 2015, 01:46:35 pm
Quote from:  tumblr user ssjgssjgoku
Sexualized female video game character: *Is wearing revealing armor that shows off her tits and ass even though the rest of the characters are wearing conventional, non-sexualized armor, and also once in a while the camera literally flies up her asshole and you get to see the inside of her ass for a little while*
Egalitarian gamer man: She is only “sexualized” because you sick fucks are looking at her as a sexual object. Seeing the inside of her asshole is pivotal to telling the story

Caveat: This refers to the "people are already equal so marginalized groups need to stop whining, systemic discrimination doesn't exist" breed of egalitarian.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on November 19, 2015, 07:33:53 pm
Quote from:  tumblr user ssjgssjgoku
Sexualized female video game character: *Is wearing revealing armor that shows off her tits and ass even though the rest of the characters are wearing conventional, non-sexualized armor, and also once in a while the camera literally flies up her asshole and you get to see the inside of her ass for a little while*
Egalitarian gamer man: She is only “sexualized” because you sick fucks are looking at her as a sexual object. Seeing the inside of her asshole is pivotal to telling the story

Caveat: This refers to the "people are already equal so marginalized groups need to stop whining, systemic discrimination doesn't exist" breed of egalitarian.

Yep.  And I am so sick of adult female characters in games sexualized to such an insane degree.  One of the reasons I loved Eternal Darkness was because the only scantily-clad female PC was the "dancer," and the main character was a young woman who, despite being conventionally attractive, didn't have ridiculously-huge boobs, and was wearing normal clothing, not some weird fetish gear or some fucked-up concoction made entirely out of tape.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 19, 2015, 08:06:53 pm
Quote from:  tumblr user ssjgssjgoku
Sexualized female video game character: *Is wearing revealing armor that shows off her tits and ass even though the rest of the characters are wearing conventional, non-sexualized armor, and also once in a while the camera literally flies up her asshole and you get to see the inside of her ass for a little while*
Egalitarian gamer man: She is only “sexualized” because you sick fucks are looking at her as a sexual object. Seeing the inside of her asshole is pivotal to telling the story

Caveat: This refers to the "people are already equal so marginalized groups need to stop whining, systemic discrimination doesn't exist" breed of egalitarian.

I'm sorry, I hate this person for their URL so I can't respect anything they say.

SSJGSSJ is a bullshit acronym for a bullshit form that should never have existed. And to think Toriyama was trying to "simplify" Saiyan transformations...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 19, 2015, 11:53:32 pm
Quote from:  tumblr user ssjgssjgoku
Sexualized female video game character: *Is wearing revealing armor that shows off her tits and ass even though the rest of the characters are wearing conventional, non-sexualized armor, and also once in a while the camera literally flies up her asshole and you get to see the inside of her ass for a little while*
Egalitarian gamer man: She is only “sexualized” because you sick fucks are looking at her as a sexual object. Seeing the inside of her asshole is pivotal to telling the story

Caveat: This refers to the "people are already equal so marginalized groups need to stop whining, systemic discrimination doesn't exist" breed of egalitarian.

I'm sorry, I hate this person for their URL so I can't respect anything they say.

SSJGSSJ is a bullshit acronym for a bullshit form that should never have existed. And to think Toriyama was trying to "simplify" Saiyan transformations...

Better than SSJ Blue.  Divine SSJ, Godly SSJ...could've been a hundred different things other than a reference to the frigging hair colour.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on November 20, 2015, 12:03:09 am
Quote from:  tumblr user ssjgssjgoku
Sexualized female video game character: *Is wearing revealing armor that shows off her tits and ass even though the rest of the characters are wearing conventional, non-sexualized armor, and also once in a while the camera literally flies up her asshole and you get to see the inside of her ass for a little while*
Egalitarian gamer man: She is only “sexualized” because you sick fucks are looking at her as a sexual object. Seeing the inside of her asshole is pivotal to telling the story

Caveat: This refers to the "people are already equal so marginalized groups need to stop whining, systemic discrimination doesn't exist" breed of egalitarian.

Yep.  And I am so sick of adult female characters in games sexualized to such an insane degree.  One of the reasons I loved Eternal Darkness was because the only scantily-clad female PC was the "dancer," and the main character was a young woman who, despite being conventionally attractive, didn't have ridiculously-huge boobs, and was wearing normal clothing, not some weird fetish gear or some fucked-up concoction made entirely out of tape.

Of course when you go insane in that game, I fully expected you to rip off most of your clothing and run around gibbering.

Ironbite-but that's just me.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 20, 2015, 10:13:34 am
Quote
I recently realized what really bothers me about the whole "Nazis advanced science" myth. Germany, as a nation, has a long and proud history of scientific and engineering advancement. This history has existed for long, long before the rise of the Nazi party, and continued after their fall to the present day.

Nazism, ideologically, is anti-intellectual and anti-science. This is the ideology that brought us book burnings, Deutsche Physik, and discredited scientists solely on their race or political leanings. It is built around unscientific racist theories, it actively calls for the discarding of modern intellectual progress in favor of a mythical past, and celebrates martial strength over peaceful mental advancement.

Therefore, I think it's fair to say that any scientific advancement that happened in Germany during the Nazi era happened despite the Nazis, not because of them. Yes, the Nazis did take plenty of advantage of Germany's scientific and engineering resources for their purposes, but they weren't responsible for their existence. And they largely also damaged those resources through their violent and reckless actions, with the scientists that fled, died, or were taken by the Allies post-war, the massive destruction inflicted on educational and industrial facilities during the war itself, etc.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on November 22, 2015, 02:54:30 am
(http://i.imgur.com/3Zb1nMK.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 22, 2015, 08:24:10 am
Quote from: tumblr user bogleech
There is actually nothing whatsoever stopping developers from loading their games with explicit content. Nothing. They’re not being held at gunpoint to “censor” anything. If the gameplay and graphics are good enough they’re still going to make mountains of money no matter the content. We know that.

Y'all are gonna have to accept that when a successful developer reduces or removes something sexual or violent it actually is their own artistic decision. I’m sorry your idols care about things you don’t in their own work. Must be rough.

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 22, 2015, 09:52:06 am
Quote from: tumblr user bogleech
There is actually nothing whatsoever stopping developers from loading their games with explicit content. Nothing. They’re not being held at gunpoint to “censor” anything. If the gameplay and graphics are good enough they’re still going to make mountains of money no matter the content. We know that.

Y'all are gonna have to accept that when a successful developer reduces or removes something sexual or violent it actually is their own artistic decision. I’m sorry your idols care about things you don’t in their own work. Must be rough.

(http://oi65.tinypic.com/ajo0w3.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on November 22, 2015, 10:09:58 am
Sounds like they have a decent point to me.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 22, 2015, 10:26:18 am
UP, brah, I do make posts for reasons other than you.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 22, 2015, 10:30:23 am
Sounds like they have a decent point to me.

It may sound reasonable, but it's not true.  Some members of the Guild Wars 2 community got upset at dyes with "ableist" names like "Delirious Purple" and "Lunatic Yellow."  The majority of the community was fine with the names, but the influence of one person as a QA tester caused the names to be changed.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on November 22, 2015, 10:34:18 am
Still doesn't constitute censorship or forcing at gunpoint, my dude.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on November 22, 2015, 11:52:46 am
QA testers and marketing focus groups provide data that developers, producers or marketers may or may not act on. Depending on how big the development company is, they are usually just casual respondents to ads or pulled from a list of applicants or a pool of in-house, permanent QA testers. They are roughly equivalent to lab rats in how any info gleaned from their reactions is used. In the case of game testing QA's, they are hugely useful as a way to find bugs in the vast data sphere of all the possible ways a game can be played through by a random player. Their comments on game play mechanics, menu functionality, visual style, spoken or written game content is just another data set. Not a censorship committee report. Developers are under no obligation legally or morally to follow their suggestions in any way. Maybe a developer group will agree with a QA's opinion. Maybe they will ignore it. Either response is their right as a business enterprise. Perhaps the development team realized that a tiny change could make a few buyers happier and calmer while playing their game, and that the change in no way denigrated the style or quality of all their hard work on the game. Calm. Down. UP. You continue to equate someone having a differing opinion as being the enemy, or someone changing their mind as being a victim of a perceived enemy.

ADDENDUM: Just for fun, I'm going to pretend to be a copy editor on a developer's focus team, who just left the meeting where we discussed the QA in question's opinion, along with hundreds of other details. "Hmmm. The dye names are kinda unimaginative, anyway. I shoulda seen that and had the writer try again, come to think of it, but jeeze, these 16 hour work days leave me half-blind with eyestrain. Okay, here we go -
Delirious Palpable Purple. Lunatic Ludacris Yellow. That'll do. I'm pretty sure the team will like those better when I show them at the next meeting.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 22, 2015, 01:35:51 pm
Sounds like they have a decent point to me.

It may sound reasonable, but it's not true.  Some members of the Guild Wars 2 community got upset at dyes with "ableist" names like "Delirious Purple" and "Lunatic Yellow."  The majority of the community was fine with the names, but the influence of one person as a QA tester caused the names to be changed.

They renamed some dyes.  WHAT A GRAVE INJUSTICE HAS BEEN WROUGHT.

(As a GW2 player, nobody gives a fuck what the names of the dyes are, just how they look and/or how expensive they are.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on November 22, 2015, 05:59:23 pm
Fuck I should get back into GW2 but I've hit level 80 and I just...don't care.

Ironbite-at all.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on November 23, 2015, 05:55:27 am
A twitter response (https://twitter.com/MuslimMarine/status/667407931768512512) to Donald Trump going full Nazi.

Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUMb-LvUsAAVS5b.jpg)

Hey @realDonaldTrump, I'm an American Muslim and I already carry a special ID badge. Where's yours?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on November 23, 2015, 06:43:55 am
Trump has been misquoted. The original interviewer was asking extremely leading questions and though Trump did say he want there to be a register of all Muslims in USA he didn't say he wants them to wear badges.

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-muslims-id/

I mean, it's not like that's a huge difference but the interviewer did make a whole line of questions with the purpose of making Trump say something really stupid and hateful and suggested the database on his own and made up the claim of badges (which seems like a huge waste considering the things he will say all on his own.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 23, 2015, 08:54:53 am
Fuck I should get back into GW2 but I've hit level 80 and I just...don't care.

Ironbite-at all.

I hear Heart of Thorns adds some proper post-80 gameplay, but I haven't gotten it, yet...prolly will next time I get paid, since ANet works out bugs fairly efficiently and the biggest ones should be gone, by now.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on November 23, 2015, 09:34:18 am
Trump has been misquoted. The original interviewer was asking extremely leading questions and though Trump did say he want there to be a register of all Muslims in USA he didn't say he wants them to wear badges.

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-muslims-id/

I mean, it's not like that's a huge difference but the interviewer did make a whole line of questions with the purpose of making Trump say something really stupid and hateful and suggested the database on his own and made up the claim of badges (which seems like a huge waste considering the things he will say all on his own.)
My bad. It's not a waste of time from the point of view of the headline-driven media, though. Trump saying something outrageous isn't anything special anymore so if you want to get more attention than your competition baiting him to go even further makes sense.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Nemo on November 23, 2015, 01:12:43 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on November 28, 2015, 05:54:22 pm
A restaurant owner responds to assholes insulting his regular customers. (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/11/25/restaurant-owner-respond-to-homophobic-review-with-epic-put-down/?utm_source=ET&utm_medium=ETFB&utm_campaign=portal&ts_pid=342&utm_content=inf_10_60_2&tse_id=INF_49156c5a99874719813cd063e8f2c7e8)

(http://cdn.pinknews.co.uk/images/2015/11/burgerbunday1.jpg)

Quote from: David Kerr
“I took it pretty personally… I just gave them the full breadth of my hatred for them in narrative form.”

“Homophobes kind of stand out and I think it’s an important display of hospitality to defend our customers.

“It wasn’t isolated for these guys and I’m happy to see they’ve taken the move to delete their account altogether.”
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on December 01, 2015, 04:35:08 pm
Rick Mercer on refugees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vLipayUNzg
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 12:18:25 pm
Quote from: tumblr user florianesque, paraphrased
speaking scientifically the rule correlation =/= causation usually applies to a) unrelated phenomena (i.e., storms and gay marriage) or b) something that has only happened one time and may have been caused by uncontrolled variables (i.e. that study that claimed vaccines caused autism which was a literal shitshow and could win an award for being the absolute least scientific experiment in existence). these are related phenomena, and having seen literally every person to make an original post about <thing> sucking ass get swarmed by angry anons with no uncontrolled variables to speak of i’d guess you don’t have much experience with statistics or science :/
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2015, 08:07:07 pm
Quote from: tumblr user florianesque, paraphrased
speaking scientifically the rule correlation =/= causation usually applies to a) unrelated phenomena (i.e., storms and gay marriage) or b) something that has only happened one time and may have been caused by uncontrolled variables (i.e. that study that claimed vaccines caused autism which was a literal shitshow and could win an award for being the absolute least scientific experiment in existence). these are related phenomena, and having seen literally every person to make an original post about <thing> sucking ass get swarmed by angry anons with no uncontrolled variables to speak of i’d guess you don’t have much experience with statistics or science :/

I know the point the person is getting at and I agree, but this does not really make a lot of sense outside context.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 08:08:40 pm
Mentioning the specific context of it would probably lead this thread into another shit-flinging thread, which I don't want, so I thought I'd try to get the general sentiment of "correlation=/= causation isn't always right or accurate" expressed this way.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 15, 2015, 12:49:33 pm
Yeah, it's a reasonable precaution.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 16, 2015, 04:37:35 pm
This is a rather good rebuttal for the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" theory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

...Unfortunately as you can see from the comments, conspiracy theorists won't let inconvenient facts get in the way of their theories. They either don't understand this simple demonstration or simply go straight to another theory and disregard the fact that their main argument was shot down.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on December 16, 2015, 06:43:17 pm
Now there's a man we can get behind.

Anyone who has their own anvil is naturally of stout moral character.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 07, 2016, 06:27:02 am
Quote from: tumblr user luchagcaileag
The thing is that “so easily offended” tends to be shorthand for “They’ve stopped quietly accepting the offensive stuff I was saying before.”
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 12, 2016, 09:24:39 am
Quote
On the (over)use of the "Abrhamic Test" claim being used to frame the most recent statements from Elder Nelson.
"When I hear the phrase “Abrahamic test” in a description of a modern ethical dilemma, I invariably flinch. I want to say, “Dude, you’ve got it wrong. God was testing Abraham to see if he would be dumb enough to do something stupid and evil just because someone in a white robe told him to. Abraham was part of an ancient Milgram Study. And he flunked.”
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 12, 2016, 02:57:39 pm
Either way, God is a total prick.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2016, 03:18:05 pm
Either way, God is a total prick.

Nah, a total prick would have let Isaac die.

Incidentally, I heard an interesting interpretation that Abraham was testing God at the same time, to see if He was worthy of worship.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 12, 2016, 03:35:06 pm
Nah, a total prick would have let Isaac die.
A not total prick wouldn't have done any of that in the first place.
Incidentally, I heard an interesting interpretation that Abraham was testing God at the same time, to see if He was worthy of worship.
He should've been able to make up his mind as soon as God asked him to kill his own son.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on January 12, 2016, 03:44:44 pm
Either way, God is a total prick.

Nah, a total prick would have let Isaac die.

Incidentally, I heard an interesting interpretation that Abraham was testing God at the same time, to see if He was worthy of worship.

Yet more evidence that apologists can "interpret" anything they want from a fundamentally evil text.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2016, 04:03:30 pm
Either way, God is a total prick.

Nah, a total prick would have let Isaac die.

Incidentally, I heard an interesting interpretation that Abraham was testing God at the same time, to see if He was worthy of worship.

Yet more evidence that apologists can "interpret" anything they want from a fundamentally evil text.

Sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about The Communist Manifesto.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on January 12, 2016, 04:30:45 pm
Is...were you going somewhere with that, UP?

I can't follow your egregious breaks with logic.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 12, 2016, 04:56:25 pm
Is...were you going somewhere with that, UP?

I can't follow your egregious breaks with logic.

Funny, that's how I feel when I read your posts.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 12, 2016, 05:04:19 pm
Either way, God is a total prick.

Nah, a total prick would have let Isaac die.

Incidentally, I heard an interesting interpretation that Abraham was testing God at the same time, to see if He was worthy of worship.

There is a line of bible scholarship which suggests that in the earliest iterations of the story Abraham did kill Isaac and god let it happen and was happy. Jacob/Israel and Esau was a separate story. It was grafted on when it was decided that the child sacrifice was not cool. On the same note I've always thought Moses brother Aaron was sacrificed, I mean he goes up to the mountain and doesn't come back.

I have however never heard the theology that Abraham was testing God. There are perhaps a few matters wrong with such an interpretation. It must assume that Abraham never had any intention to kill Isaac. An omniscient God would know this. This God would know that Abraham wasn't sincere. So it just becomes an elaborate BDSM game where two adults torture a child into believing they are going to kill him.  Also the story is based on the premise that God (or an angel whatever) stays Abraham's hand as he is about to strike. This assumes that Abraham was willing to bet his own son that God wasn't a dick, when the only indication he had was that God was indeed a motherfucker who wanted him to kill his son. Moreover it assumes that Abraham is more than willing to permanently traumatise his son for this test. I think they both still come out of it looking like psychopathic arseholes.

I'm willing to hear theories as to why the 'binding of Isaac' doesn't paint God and Abraham in a terrible light but I remain skeptical that any such argument is capable of being advanced.

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 12, 2016, 05:59:44 pm
Is...were you going somewhere with that, UP?

I can't follow your egregious breaks with logic.

Really?  REALLY?  You're gonna be the one who calls UP out on this?  Really?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 12, 2016, 07:55:28 pm
I am very curious about UPs implication that Ironchew has been taking cues from Karl Marx.

Do tell UP.  :D
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2016, 08:19:01 pm
I also heard a theory that Abraham knew full well he wouldn't have to sacrifice his son.  After all, God told him that his line would continue through Isaac.  Furthermore, he told his servants that they would both come back.

So it just becomes an elaborate BDSM game where two adults torture a child into believing they are going to kill him.

Fun fact: the Talmud teaches that Isaac was 37 at the time of his binding.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 12, 2016, 08:41:09 pm
So are you Jewish now?

"When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son."

The bible says he was about to slay his son. Not pretends to. - It does not refer to the point where Abraham lets Isaac in on the fact that God doesn't intend him to be sacrificed. I don't think it matters much to Isaac whether he was 13 or 37. Besides the basis for the argument that Abraham knew he wouldn't have to sacrifice Isaac was because he was the child of promise, that his line would continue through Isaac. If he was 37 he probably already had kids and the promise was fulfilled.

Isn't it more likely that Abraham told his servants we will be back and left them at the bottom of the mountain because he knew even his servants would consider his act and abomination and stop him.

Rather than theories that you've heard about, UP what would you do if God called you to the sacrifice of Abraham?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2016, 09:12:54 pm
So are you Jewish now?

No, I was just mentioning a theory that I'd heard.

"When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son."

The bible says he was about to slay his son. Not pretends to. - It does not refer to the point where Abraham lets Isaac in on the fact that God doesn't intend him to be sacrificed.

The Bible also doesn't mention Abraham's reaction to the command.

I don't think it matters much to Isaac whether he was 13 or 37. Besides the basis for the argument that Abraham knew he wouldn't have to sacrifice Isaac was because he was the child of promise, that his line would continue through Isaac. If he was 37 he probably already had kids and the promise was fulfilled.

Except Isaac was apparently a late bloomer, because he didn't get married until he turned 40.  And before you ask, there's no mention of him having children by anybody other than his wife.

Isn't it more likely that Abraham told his servants we will be back and left them at the bottom of the mountain because he knew even his servants would consider his act and abomination and stop him.

Point made.

Rather than theories that you've heard about, UP what would you do if God called you to the sacrifice of Abraham?

Moot question.  He wouldn't, because the final sacrifice has already been made.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: LeTipex on January 12, 2016, 09:19:16 pm
Moot question.  He wouldn't, because the final sacrifice has already been made.
Which is why the question was framed as an hypothetical : note the "would" used in the sentence. We're not asking you what you will do when asked to sacrifice your son by the big G, but what you would do.

Your attempt to dodge the question is worrying, to say the least.  :P
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 12, 2016, 09:55:00 pm
So it's a theory you have heard? Is it one you subscribe too?

It does record his reaction though. The next day he loaded up his donkey with enough wood for the burnt offering. His reaction is to set about to go to the Mountain and kill the kid.

As I said I don't think his age matters for the trauma but given how wildly inaccurately ages are recorded in the old testament and life expectancy in the region at the time I would have thought it more likely that he was in fact a child. Further he is referred to as a 'boy'.  Generally it fits far better with the story that he was in fact an adolescent. Not that it matters much as either way it would have been terrifying for him. Together with an enormous betrayal of trust. As for the wife point it -doesn't matter if there were bastards as I imagine it would have only been a fulfillment of the promise if they were legitimate but the fact that they aren't mentioned is hardly conclusive, see for example the wives of cain and abel.

Finally as the Pen noted it is a hypothetical, to which I would like to hear your answer.

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2016, 10:26:42 pm
Moot question.  He wouldn't, because the final sacrifice has already been made.
Which is why the question was framed as an hypothetical : note the "would" used in the sentence. We're not asking you what you will do when asked to sacrifice your son by the big G, but what you would do.

Your attempt to dodge the question is worrying, to say the least.  :P

...I have to admit I can't answer that.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 12, 2016, 10:34:46 pm
Moot question.  He wouldn't, because the final sacrifice has already been made.
Which is why the question was framed as an hypothetical : note the "would" used in the sentence. We're not asking you what you will do when asked to sacrifice your son by the big G, but what you would do.

Your attempt to dodge the question is worrying, to say the least.  :P

...I have to admit I can't answer that.

Do you have kids? Can you honestly not answer with what you would do if God told you to kill your first child?

Edit: To the extent that the original story was that Abraham actually sacrificed Isaac - here is a link http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2011/04/when-abraham-killed-isaac/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2011/04/when-abraham-killed-isaac/)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on January 13, 2016, 10:02:48 am
Just as an aside, aren't there some biblical scholars who point out that when ages given in the bible seem odd, such as Methuselah's age, it's likely to be a transliteration error, since early nomadic peoples like the ancient Hebrews more commonly used lunar age, as in months, to describe time passage, rather than annual markers? If that is the case for the story of Isaac, he would have been a three year old. Which makes the story a lot more angst-y.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 13, 2016, 10:53:38 am
Dave, how exactly do you expect me to answer that question?  It may seem trivial to you (and I can't blame you for that, nor should I), but to me, it's really, really big.

Just as an aside, aren't there some biblical scholars who point out that when ages given in the bible seem odd, such as Methuselah's age, it's likely to be a transliteration error, since early nomadic peoples like the ancient Hebrews more commonly used lunar age, as in months, to describe time passage, rather than annual markers? If that is the case for the story of Isaac, he would have been a three year old. Which makes the story a lot more angst-y.

And he would have gotten married when he was four.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on January 13, 2016, 01:54:17 pm
Well, marriage arrangements between families in such societies can be made at birth onwards, and marriage rites (though the kids would be living under parental care) occasionally happened at tot age, too. In any case, it does make more sense that Isaac was at least a teen, and I think ancient legends and parables do indeed suffer from translation and re-recording errors over the millennia to a huge degree.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on January 13, 2016, 06:18:35 pm
If God came to me and demanded I kill my son i'd tell him to fuck off back to tumblr.

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 14, 2016, 05:09:14 pm
If God came to me and demanded I kill my son i'd tell him to fuck off back to tumblr.

This was more or less the answer I was hoping you would give UP? I understand it's a big question but I would hope that ultimately you would refuse, or at least be sure you weren't delusional.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 20, 2016, 08:33:51 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/53039b3fde94d861f27a81d0bd6c1cf7/tumblr_na8b7lQydu1qmgyp2o1_400.png)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 21, 2016, 02:40:18 am
That actually makes a good point of showing why swearing during debate is counter productive.

It is unnecessary, it makes the person look immature, it distracts from the point they are trying to make.

And here's the thing, debate is not JUST about who is correct. Debate is an intercourse where you try to convince the other side of the debate believe that you are correct.

If you see someone claim that 1+1=3 and know that it is actually 2 then you are correct whether or not you start a debate with him. But if your argument is "Motherfucker ass cracker! It's bloody 2 you cocksucking abortion!" you are less likely to win them over.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 25, 2016, 01:30:04 am
"I tell it like it is" has become a stand in for "I'm a racist who's lost his mind" over the last year or so.

-- Jim Sterling
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on January 26, 2016, 12:37:28 am
About the tone thing:

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/578/682/575.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on January 26, 2016, 12:39:46 am
Except that is very much something you should get pissed about.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 26, 2016, 02:45:51 am
Except that getting pissed still doesn't help if you are trying to have a civil debate.

Not that anyone has the right to force others to debate them in civil manner. Which is another important thing to remember.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 26, 2016, 09:46:56 am
Except that is very much something you should get pissed about.

That's rather the point. Trying to be civil is useful, but you can't substitute tone for substance to determine who is right, because people can and do get angry about legitimate things.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on January 26, 2016, 09:58:49 am
Except that is very much something you should get pissed about.

That's rather the point. Trying to be civil is useful, but you can't substitute tone for substance to determine who is right, because people can and do get angry about legitimate things.


Ah. I took it to be attempting to say the opposite. That a disgusting opinion presented in a polite way is more likeable than a good opinion presented in an angry way.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 26, 2016, 11:02:48 am
Quote
A banker, an asylum seeker, and a Daily Mail reader are all sitting down having morning coffee when a tray with 10 biscuits is brought over. The banker takes 9 of the biscuits and then tells the Daily Mail reader "Watch out for that asylum seeker. He's going to try and take your biscuit away."
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: LeTipex on January 26, 2016, 02:12:02 pm
Quote
A banker, an asylum seeker, and a Daily Mail reader are all sitting down having morning coffee when a tray with 10 biscuits is brought over. The banker takes 9 of the biscuits and then tells the Daily Mail reader "Watch out for that asylum seeker. He's going to try and take your biscuit away."
It's funny because it's true!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 31, 2016, 09:48:39 pm
Quote from: tumblr user luchagcaileag
Even positive traits can be toxic if they’re made mandatory. A non-toxic masculinity would have to be one that men are free not to buy into without consequence.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 02, 2016, 08:07:44 am
Yeah. Pantera made awesome music but it's hard to enjoy it with Anselmo being an openly racist douchebag. He - and people who excuse him - need to be called out like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCBKzWg4WYo
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on February 02, 2016, 08:34:29 am
I fucked up and read the comments. Why did I read the comments.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 02, 2016, 08:52:26 am
Ha Ha!

*goes to read the comments*
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 02, 2016, 10:00:45 am
I love how these assholes are whining that Robb didn't call out the drunk, angry, huge guy directly. If I'm gonna get called a coward for not doing shit that'll land me with broken bones, then fuck it. Coward. Any day.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 02, 2016, 10:51:20 am
I like this guy.  His response to Anselmo's bullshit backstage was exactly on target: laugh at them.  Answer their bullshit with laughter, mockery, and derision.  Treat them like the stupid little children they are.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on February 02, 2016, 05:03:22 pm
I still can't believe that, in 2016, it's still controversial to suggest that we shouldn't tolerate people like Anselmo and that we should criticize them.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 03, 2016, 04:32:50 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Rw5zxSU.jpg)

EDIT:
(http://i.imgur.com/rRbyRAg.png)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 12, 2016, 06:24:10 am
I was kinda on the fence on where to put this. A movie producer tweets quotes from the scripts he reads (https://twitter.com/femscriptintros) to bring attention to the sexist introductions of the female characters. The message he's sending belongs here despite the sexist content.

Quote from: A few examples
JANE, 28, athletic but sexy. A natural beauty. Most days she wears jeans, and she makes them look good.

JANE - his wife, 30’s, beautiful, wearing lingerie - applies lipstick in front of a mirror, making it into an erotic show.

He enters and approaches JANE, mildly attractive secretary who is at one of the filing cabinets.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 13, 2016, 11:03:38 am
Quote
If you piss in a public toilet, does that mean you own it? Does that mean you get to make decisions about what happens to it after that?

Nope.

If a man ejaculates into a woman who did not consent, does that mean he owns her? Does that she doesn’t get to decide what happens to her own body after that?

According to pro-life extremists, yup.

These people find it acceptable to force this woman to watch her stomach inflate like a balloon for the next 9 months, which serves as nothing to her but a constant reminder of the most horrifying moment of her life. She’ll lose control of her bodily choices for the 2nd time in a row. She’ll have to forfeit her drinking and smoking rights, and carefully watch whatever else she puts into her body. She’ll be left with permanent stretch marks, scars, and other disfigurements. All in the name of a baby she never wanted?

A fetus from rape is NOT a gift. A fetus from rape has no rights. A woman who in any other circumstance is allowed to make decisions for herself, deserves THIS right to choose.

Please, let’s treat women better than we treat toilets.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 15, 2016, 01:56:00 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/nlFUY5t.jpg)

Someone in the comments started defending faith healers and then moved on to "no true Scotsman" defense every time someone said a thing they don't like.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 17, 2016, 01:54:49 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2uiezco.jpg)

I'd have added Coventry and Guernica, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 17, 2016, 02:46:46 pm
...I don't get it.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 17, 2016, 02:54:17 pm
...I don't get it.

It's making fun of Wehraboos who get outraged over Dresden but don't acknowledge similar acts done by the Luftwaffe.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 23, 2016, 04:44:25 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/B4EUHDa.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 22, 2016, 05:58:30 pm
Quote
Saying “you don’t have anything to be depressed about, your life is great” is like saying “what do you mean have asthma, there is loads of air in here.”
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 02, 2016, 01:22:18 am
For context this is about the movie God's Not Dead 2, an upcoming film about a high school teacher who I think gets arrested for saying that Jesus taught non-violence.  Some comenters complained about the unimaginative title:

Quote
Also, they couldn't come up with a better title than God's Not Dead 2? I not so humbly submit:
* God's Not Dead 2: Still not dead
* God's Not Dead 2: Not Dead Harder
* God's Not Dead, Too
* God Says He's Not Quite Dead Yet
* And with nods to other commentators, God's Not Dead 2: Not This Shit Again

Quote
God's Not Dead: He's Just Resting.

Quote
Look, I took the liberty of examining that god when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its cross in the first place was that it had been NAILED there!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 02, 2016, 01:29:56 am
God's Not Dead 2: Electric Strawman
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 02, 2016, 01:33:50 am
God's not dead: Tokyo Drift.

2 God not 2 dead.

God's not dead: The resurrection of God.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 02, 2016, 01:37:05 am
God's Not Dead Reloaded
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 02, 2016, 02:06:02 am
God's Not Dead with a Vengeance

God's not Dead: the Pharisees Strike Back

God's Not Dead: Return of the Jesus
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on April 02, 2016, 02:19:58 am
The Undeadening!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 02, 2016, 02:35:30 am
Night of the Living God
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 02, 2016, 09:37:08 am
Robogod!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 02, 2016, 11:42:56 am
God's Not Dead 2: The Rapture
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 02, 2016, 12:01:47 pm
God's Not Dead 2: Undead Jesus Returns and the Resurrection Zombie Apocalypse
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on April 02, 2016, 01:29:09 pm
God's Not Dead 2: Stayin' Alive
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on April 02, 2016, 01:44:23 pm
Sorbo: God's Blood Part 2
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 02, 2016, 02:31:10 pm
Slaves to Yahweh: God of Blood Chapter II: Dwarf Jesus
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 02, 2016, 02:32:58 pm
Paper Jesus: The Two-Thousand-Year Book
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 02, 2016, 09:03:23 pm
The Passion of the Christ 2: Crucify This!

Let he who is without sin, kick the first ass.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 02, 2016, 09:16:27 pm
*throws yellow flag*

PENALTY ON THE PLAY!  ART VANDELAY STOLE THAT JOKE FROM FAMILY GUY!  5 YARD PENALTY, REPEAT 2ND DOWN!

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 02, 2016, 10:15:15 pm
I regret nothing.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on April 02, 2016, 11:15:49 pm
*throws yellow flag*

PENALTY ON THE PLAY!  ART VANDELAY STOLE THAT JOKE FROM FAMILY GUY!  5 YARD PENALTY, REPEAT 2ND DOWN!



Can you put that in Football terms (and I mean real Football not American Football.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 04, 2016, 01:19:09 am
The thing is that this article created two topics on a 40k group that immediately turned into shitfests where people laughed at the writer and complained about SJWs.

http://latining.tumblr.com/post/141567276944/tabletop-gaming-has-a-white-male-terrorism-problem

I think the title is slightly wrong, I'm not sure how much truth there is in the article (that court case might be something that can be verified or proven false at least, I think?) but the point remains that there really are horrible people in gaming circles and claiming that everyone who complains should grow a thicker skin is not going to help anyone.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 04, 2016, 09:53:37 am
I'm not sure how much truth there is in the article (that court case might be something that can be verified or proven false at least, I think?)

Just what I was thinking. Even a little bit of proof would be nice, especially when making easily verifiable claims like "I won a precedent-setting court case". Without it, it's just a bunch of claims from one person, and while I have no reason not to believe her, I have no reason to believe her either.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 04, 2016, 10:29:39 am
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“Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!” he chuckles in glee. The Warhammer 40K gamers at the table behind him take up the refrain. “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed! Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!”

I run.

Uuuh.....I understand Americans are a unique people, but I refuse to believe that even the most spergy card-game fans would just start chanting "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" at some kid.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 04, 2016, 10:37:46 am
I envy your optimism.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 04, 2016, 10:49:41 am
This topic started a thread on a Finnish  RPG related Facebook group. Some showed disbelief, many sympathized and after a while the mod started a new thread for these kinds of experiences where only women were allowed to comment (although anyone who wants to remain anonymous can tell their story to a mod and ask them to post it in the thread) and many of the stories are scary even though not every woman has faced chauvinism or harassment in RPG circles.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on April 04, 2016, 11:26:32 am
Yeah, those stories are eye-opening. In my gaming group the gender ratio is about 50/50 and if the less active members who only occasionally show up are counted the clear majority are females. Since almost all of us also know each other outside the hobby and get along very well there have been no problems with sexual harassment - in those rare cases where sexual content comes up in a game it is dealt with in a mature way. I guess in addition of the male privilege this also puts me in a bubble where I don't encounter the creepy kind of players.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 04, 2016, 03:08:12 pm
Reddit has more info on this case: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/4d9zdw/everyone_deserves_to_play_games_and_be_protected/

One of the two owners of the company that was named came out and said that the writer made claims to them and when they offered to react and punish the people who harassed her she refused to provide names or any kind of evidence.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2016, 03:46:18 pm
Reddit has more info on this case: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/4d9zdw/everyone_deserves_to_play_games_and_be_protected/

One of the two owners of the company that was named came out and said that the writer made claims to them and when they offered to react and punish the people who harassed her she refused to provide names or any kind of evidence.

Considering how many stories she recounted were one Albert Einstein cameo away from a post in r/thatHappened (https://www.reddit.com/r/thatHappened/), I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 04, 2016, 04:03:09 pm
Reddit has more info on this case: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/4d9zdw/everyone_deserves_to_play_games_and_be_protected/

One of the two owners of the company that was named came out and said that the writer made claims to them and when they offered to react and punish the people who harassed her she refused to provide names or any kind of evidence.

Well, that isn't suspicious at all.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on April 04, 2016, 05:21:24 pm
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Donald Trump's election in a nutshell

This was the top rated comment on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gN2hdybFY).

Yeah it's not the most insightful comment, but it's accurate and hilarious.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Murdin on April 04, 2016, 05:52:05 pm
Reddit has more info on this case: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/4d9zdw/everyone_deserves_to_play_games_and_be_protected/

One of the two owners of the company that was named came out and said that the writer made claims to them and when they offered to react and punish the people who harassed her she refused to provide names or any kind of evidence.

That's funny, because I'm seeing very little additional info. Evidence that /r/boardgames is full of the exact kind of assholes the author was trying to denounce (EDIT: the apologist kind, just to be clear, not the rapey kind), sure, but the sample isn't nearly large or clean enough to prove her general point.

Don't get me wrong, her actual accusations seem blurry at best and highly dubious at worst. It feels less like an autobiographical anthology and more like a series of anecdotes that may/did/could have happend to her or any other woman, compiled in order to Make a Point. I mean, you can't trust anything you read on the Internet, right?

Quote from: "Anti-SJW" Tumblr user blimblethings
Gonna have to call bullshit on this one as the owner of Wyrd Miniatures responded.
*snip*
TL;dr despite copious incidents and apparently police being informed not one shred of evidence has been seen or any action taken

Riiiight. There's absolutely nothing suspicious about this response given by one of the company's founders. I'm sure that crazy SJW really intended for him personally to stand responsible for "the whole of gaming and geek society", and for herself to become "the Woman's Ambassador to Gaming" (blatant Anitard signal boost, right there!). The throwaway comment about female employees vastly outnumbering males doesn't really call for any kind of proof or elaboration. And I don't see any reason to doubt his claim that they have been harassed over the entire year by an entire cabal of radflakes with unsubstantiated legal threats.

Maybe this verbal pummelling and personal embellishment was merely a way for Wyrd Miniatures to try and communicate their sincerity to those who would instantly believe it anyway. Or maybe there's actually a part of truth in the OP's accusations against them. I don't know. But these geniuses over at Reddit and Tumblr sure did, with more certainty than the SJWs they hate so much, and without even bothering to ask themselves the question.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 05, 2016, 12:50:13 am
Yeah, in another group people have already mentioned how suspicious the reply from Wyrd seems but so far it's one person's word against another person's word.

Honestly, there's not enough proof for me to decide who is right and I do know that women get harassed in RPG circles so this is possible, but some of the stuff did seem exaggerated so I'm just not sure. If nothing else at least it worked as a great topic starter in the Finnish group (and drove me away from couple other sites where it popped up due to the way it was received there...)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 08, 2016, 11:45:18 am
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Just Say No

He took offense.
It started out in college. You know, just experimenting with it. But he liked it. He liked how it made him feel.
For a while it was just recreational — weekends and parties and rallies and that kind of thing. But soon he was hanging out with some pretty hard-core users, with the kind of people who took offense all the time. They didn’t need a reason or an excuse, it was just what they did. It was who they were. Soon he found he couldn’t get through the day without it.
Over the years he even learned to grow his own, to take the tiniest seeds of umbrage and nurture them into full-grown pretexts for outrage. The good stuff.
Some of his old friends tried to stage an intervention — to convince him that he had a problem, that his whole life had become consumed by his addiction.
He didn’t respond well. He just took more offense — right there in front of them.
Addicts, he told them, are always chasing diminishing returns. They’re always needing more and stronger drugs to provide an ever-smaller high. But the stuff he was taking didn’t work like that. His highs just kept getting stronger and stronger no matter how flimsy or insignificant the reason.
You’re not trying to help me, he screamed at them. You’re just jealous. And he yelled at them some more, trying to get them to take offense too.
They wouldn’t touch it, of course, and just left quietly, looking sad. He took a hit of offense at that and sat back on the couch. They think I’ve got a problem, he thought, but they’re the ones with a problem. Ohh. He inhaled deeply. Yes, yes that’s it. His eyelids fluttered. It’s because I’m better than them, better than all of them …
Four days later his landlord called the police, saying there was an offensive smell drifting into the hallway. They found him there on the couch.
The official report from the medical examiner said it was an overdose.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 18, 2016, 10:19:53 am
Quote from: tumblr user feralsaarebas
Fam you can slap as many big shiny words as you want on it shoplifting is a crime that hurts retail workers, like me

WE get in trouble because selfish, middle class teenagers who want a chuckle nab hundreds of dollars worth of stuff without paying- then we, the staff, either get blamed for STEALING IT or get blamed for letting someone steal it. We get in trouble because Suzy just HAD to have those designer jeans, or that bronzer, or that bottle of jack. I don’t judge people who steel food too heavily because I get it, you need to eat, I don’t like it but you do what you gotta. But defending theft as some ‘radical’ stick it to the man movement is bullshit.

You’re not hurting the man/the bourgeoisie/the 1%, you’re hurting the people on the ground who are trying to make an honest living and NEED their jobs.

Fuck off with your false sense of entitlement and fuck you for making this post to try and ease your guilty conscience.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on April 21, 2016, 01:41:18 pm
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you do realise that we only have this one persons word for it, right? i could make a video saying i was molested by my 60yr old female boss, and no proof but, wait that is a female supposedly having bother with a male boss...so... it fits with the narrative.... Shit now i get it. Go patriarchy.....i mean boo patriarchy.

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Since we are not sitting in judgment on a jury, it is fair to evaluate the question based on the limited information we have. I have done this with anecdotes of people on the other side, if that is helpful, treating what they say as almost hypothetical in nature when establishing individual guilt is not the question, but rather answering the question. If we are unable to make these basic accommodations for each other we cannot discuss these issues.

The good quote being the latter. 
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 21, 2016, 02:16:03 pm
I honestly can't figure out half of what the latter quote is even trying to say.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 21, 2016, 02:25:58 pm
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Trump was asked about North Carolina's anti-LGBTQ law — specifically, its ban on transgender people using the bathroom in schools and government buildings that aligns with their gender identity. He came out in opposition to North Carolina's law.

"North Carolina did something [that] was very strong, and they're paying a big price, and there's a lot of problems," Trump said at a town hall with the Today show, referring to the "economic punishment" the state is seeing as a result of the law.

Trump then said that North Carolina shouldn't have made changes restricting trans people's bathroom use: "There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate, there has been so little trouble."

Asked whether he would let Caitlyn Jenner, a trans woman, use the bathroom of her choice at Trump Tower, he said he would. He added, "There's a big move to create new bathrooms. Problem with that is … first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way. It would be unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country. Leave it the way it is."

Seriously North Carolina when Donald fucking Trump is calling out your bigotry you've got a problem.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on April 21, 2016, 03:42:00 pm
Maybe he's against the business expense rather than the bigoted spirit of the law?

Somehow Trump doesn't strike me as a trans ally.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on April 23, 2016, 11:01:19 am
I honestly can't figure out half of what the latter quote is even trying to say.

Basically, she's saying that when someone is asking a question and that question has a background story, it's best to assume the background is true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTiSIOtWwOo

Here's the video in question.  The question is "is this sexist?".  Whether or not the incident described really happened is irrelevant.  It can still be treated as a hypothetical.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 03, 2016, 10:57:39 am
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Conservatives: Let's go back to the good old times of the 1950s.
1950s: Had 92% income tax for the mega wealthy which allowed for households with a single breadwinner. Had minimum wage high enough to get somebody through college.
Conservatives: No... not that part. The sexism and racism part is the one I like...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on May 04, 2016, 03:03:16 pm
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/13087426_10156916339110271_4570906280142183628_n.jpg?oh=06c44f8d28a4235f1b42e8523029fa88&oe=57AC809F)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 04, 2016, 03:10:31 pm
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/13087426_10156916339110271_4570906280142183628_n.jpg?oh=06c44f8d28a4235f1b42e8523029fa88&oe=57AC809F)
Wil Wheaton recently posted about the exact same thing. Huffington Post is reaching out to people to write for them but they are not offering to pay them anything and instead they unironically talk about how they can offer a lot of "exposure."
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on May 07, 2016, 02:06:42 am
This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bze_hDgq9s) is a video response to some MRA who's spewing shit about people with mental illnesses just being lazy.  It's a good rant with lots of swearing, but in the comments...

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Britt Morgan1 year ago
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's an asshole!
Reply14     
 ryan eko
ryan eko6 months ago
+Britt Morgan Anytime someone wants to tell you something you don't want to hear, it can be hard to swallow. But sometimes the truth isn't pretty. Pretty lies will get you nowhere in life.
Reply     
 Britt Morgan
Britt Morgan5 months ago
+ryan eko If I told you that you had a small dick, does that make it true? I'm sure you don't want to hear it. It that hard to swallow?

 Just because someone says something to me that I don't like, doesn't mean that it's also true. You could have the biggest dick in the world, but because I said your dick was small, it must be true. People are misguided and ignorant all the time.

Logic is a crazy thing.
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vypernight on May 07, 2016, 04:48:34 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-z-danielewski/why-im-not-going-to-ashev_b_9824946.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-z-danielewski/why-im-not-going-to-ashev_b_9824946.html)

One of my favorite writers cancelled his recent visit to Asheville, NC because of all the B.S. laws.  And while he admits he's not a big name like Bruce, he still had to make a statement.

What followed were loads of comments from people living in Asheville, stating they not only oppose the laws but are fighting to get them removed (Apparently, the book store he was going to visit is a major site for meetings about the law).

I honestly hope this is true.  My parents are planning to move to Asheville in a few years when they retire and we might follow.  I'd personally prefer MA or PA, but NC looks to be the farthest I can move north and stay with my work.  If it is true, then I'm glad the people in NC or at least in Asheville are more open-minded than the those in charge.

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on May 07, 2016, 03:59:26 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-z-danielewski/why-im-not-going-to-ashev_b_9824946.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-z-danielewski/why-im-not-going-to-ashev_b_9824946.html)

One of my favorite writers cancelled his recent visit to Asheville, NC because of all the B.S. laws.  And while he admits he's not a big name like Bruce, he still had to make a statement.

What followed were loads of comments from people living in Asheville, stating they not only oppose the laws but are fighting to get them removed (Apparently, the book store he was going to visit is a major site for meetings about the law).

I honestly hope this is true.  My parents are planning to move to Asheville in a few years when they retire and we might follow.  I'd personally prefer MA or PA, but NC looks to be the farthest I can move north and stay with my work.  If it is true, then I'm glad the people in NC or at least in Asheville are more open-minded than the those in charge.

They are much better than that. Just like in Georgia, or Texas, or here in Florida. It's the fuckwits who get elected, because they are backed by the rich fuckwits, can drown out the better candidates with way more pol ads, which gets all the fuckwit voters agitated on out to the polls in swarms.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 10, 2016, 01:05:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Wev8sCI.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 10, 2016, 01:33:34 am
This should be taught in every high school on the planet.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 10, 2016, 02:08:15 am
^^ Amen to that.

Saw this on a satire site called The Beaverton.  Context for non-Canadians, Ezra Levant is sort of the Canadian equivalent of Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly and a general purpose racist shitstain.  Also there are some very big fires in Alberta right now.

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Right-wing pundit Ezra Levant says he has detailed evidence of a coordinated plot by Syrian refugees living across Canada.  The RebelTV founder published dozens of tweets, written in Arabic, outlining a conspiracy by the newly resettled Muslims to unleash huge amounts food, shelter, and money out of their own pockets on unsuspecting families displaced by the fires in Fort McMurray.

“We always knew these people were coming here with an agenda,” explained Levant. “Now we finally know what it is: to take advantage of the kindness and generosity of hard working Canadians, and then, when we’re most vulnerable, reciprocate it tenfold.”

Levant added that it’s only a matter of time before refugees start recruiting their Canadian-born neighbors to collude with them.

“The Qur’an clearly states that ‘Nothing shall ensure the welfare of your religion except generosity and good disposition,’” warned the Rebel Media founder.  “If this keeps up, pretty soon we’ll be living in a country that views Islam as an important part of our cultural mosaic, and Muslims as actual human beings instead of outlets for our anxiety caused by pervasive fear mongering from race baiting assholes.”



Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 12, 2016, 03:03:21 am
(http://i.imgur.com/zf6kOSF.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 12, 2016, 03:14:39 am
The Lebanon one is a bit misleading, since the President of Lebanon is almost always a Maronite Christian, except for these three people (who were or are only acting Presidents): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selim_Hoss, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouad_Siniora, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammam_Salam.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 12, 2016, 03:18:32 am
Ok, this is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pact

Still does not mean that the entire rant is false even if Lebanon's religious/political customs are complicated. (And besides, it does prove that the different religions and sects work together.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 12, 2016, 03:42:07 am
Ok, this is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pact

Still does not mean that the entire rant is false even if Lebanon's religious/political customs are complicated. (And besides, it does prove that the different religions and sects work together.)

I'm not saying it's not a good point, just that I think some context is warranted on one point. (It may also be warranted on other points, but I knew that fact about Lebanon.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 14, 2016, 04:55:36 am
I think you put that in the wrong thread, Askold.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 14, 2016, 05:00:46 am
...No I didn't.

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/57844237.jpg)

EDIT:

(http://www.sff.net/people/jchines/Pics/Harassment.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on May 22, 2016, 11:26:06 am
Translated from a Finnish Tumblr post I saw:

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"so if you're trans do you have a dick?"

yeah, of course. it's bigger than yours and it glows in the dark.

"no but what do you have between your legs?"

three kilos of potatoes, a reindeer and your dad.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 29, 2016, 12:22:12 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/QQl03XU.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 01, 2016, 01:42:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxjNxVjTiVM

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 05, 2016, 02:14:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dQXXfXD.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on June 05, 2016, 02:37:37 am
Best thing to come out of Fox News, pretty much ever.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 05, 2016, 09:49:36 am
God damn.  Gonna need a Senzu for that one.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 10, 2016, 02:10:47 am
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Official position of the leadership of the Republican Party: Trump is an inexcusable bigot, and Trump must be our next president.

Bill Kristol said that.  Bill Kristol, the guy known to other republicans as "The guy who's wrong about everything" is right about something.  After you duck under the flying pigs, stop to realize just how bad things have gotten in the GOP.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 28, 2016, 04:27:11 pm
(about Chemtrail conspiracy theories getting more attention the stopping global warming)
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So on one hand we have a real threat, measurable and attestable, that is caused by an identifiable industry and persists as a result of the indifference and short-termism of the world’s governments. On the other, we have a conspiracy, attributed to forces unknown and interests unspecified, so powerful and pervasive that it extends from Mark Zuckerberg to the Paris terrorists. Why does it seem to be harder to generate interest in the real issue than the improbable one?

The real issue – global warming caused by aircraft emissions – calls on us to act. Reducing our impacts means flying less; something that few people are prepared to do. It involves an exhausting battle against a powerful industry and unresponsive governments. It means reading boring papers, attending boring meetings and engaging with a level of political and technical complexity that many people find repulsive. There’s plenty of grind and precious little glory.

But there’s nothing boring about conspiracy theories. They make sense of what can sometimes feel like a senseless world. They tell you that you are among the elect: aware of a grand scheme that other people (or sheeple or sleeple as the conspiracy sites often like to call them) are unable or unwilling to see. It tells you that you are a lonely crusader fighting evil of the kind that’s otherwise encountered only in films about superheroes.

It also absolves you of the responsibility to act. Sure, you might feel moved to create a website, take some photos, perhaps sign the odd petition or even attend one or two noisy demonstrations. But you don’t have to change anything, because somewhere, buried deep in the forebrain, is the knowledge that there’s not really anything to change. You get the glory without the grind.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 20, 2016, 03:14:56 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/HEpjWht.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 20, 2016, 05:16:32 pm
So I guess us coke drinkers are filthy misogynists.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 20, 2016, 05:25:15 pm
And folks who drink Monsters are some kinda alien.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 08, 2016, 02:35:47 pm
This wasn't actually said on the Internet, but I dug it up on Youtube and transcribed the relevant part, so I'm putting it here. It's an excerpt from Premier of Alberta Rachel Notley's speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8m1U3Y8Jog) at the 2016 NDP national convention in Edmonton. (Hidden for length.)

(click to show/hide)

There were some other good speeches delivered by Stephen Lewis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ2_-nYvU9I) (former Ontario NDP leader, son of former federal NDP leader David Lewis) and Thomas Mulcair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKoE-_2HMY) (outgoing federal NDP leader).
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 11, 2016, 06:54:33 am
Posting this here because of the replies of course.
(http://i.imgur.com/eWjPhfF.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 11, 2016, 09:54:55 am
Christ, that thing has children; I know because I had to look er up to find out why she was relevant.  Apparently, she's a washed up Apprentice hostess or something.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on August 11, 2016, 11:56:31 am
Also, apparently a professional troll who makes offensive statements to desperately hang on to her status as a minor celebrity.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 12, 2016, 03:26:43 pm
(https://67.media.tumblr.com/a985c45653a459aea8d81d02c89d4595/tumblr_oa1z7hanyC1vt13iho1_1280.jpg)

...That's actually a pretty good way to put it.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on August 27, 2016, 05:41:39 am
(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14095879_10208845238042126_7420052196975209370_n.jpg?oh=b7925c48ad81a0d73fe080192b50fc07&oe=5838098A)

Edited instead of doubleposting

Penn Jillette might be a libertarian wacko in some ways but on some issues he hits the nail on the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5XrZJkJxc

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There’s refugees who are suffering in a way that history will not be kind to us for ignoring that. We must love them. We just embrace them. We must help them. Even if they believe things that we know are wrong. The chances of a terrorist believing in Islam are pretty good. The chances of someone who believes in Islam being a terrorist are very, very bad. Very little chance of that.

We took into Nevada – I live in Nevada. We took nine people from Syria in the entire state of Nevada. That’s how many we welcomed. Nine. The number of fingers Jerry Garcia had – nine. Nine – actually if it’s going to be Jerry Garcia I think it’s nine. Nine? No it’s this hand – nine. Jerry Garcia is not important in this discussion Penn. Get on with it. Nine? No is it nine. Jerry Garcia – nine. Nine. Not nine families. Nine people. Nevada. It’s a state, you know. We’ve got to help those people. Now how do I as an atheist say to Muslims your religion is wrong, your terrorists are crazy, this is dangerous, get over it and then say I love you and you’re welcome. Really, really hard. I’ve got to tell you I know there’s no God and because there’s no God we have to reach out to Muslims. We have to do God’s work because God’s not going to. And that love and that compassion is not going to come from Allah and it’s not going to come from Yet Wah. It’s not going to come from Jesus Christ. That love and compassion is going to come from us. Is it dangerous to embrace Muslims because some of them will be terrorists? Yeah, it’s really dangerous. Do we have to protect ourselves? Yeah, we really do.

There’s hard problems here. Really hard problems. And I don’t have any of the answers to it. But I’ll tell you what the answer isn’t. The answer isn’t standing up with hair that looks like cotton candy made of piss and saying, you know, we’ve got to keep these people out of here. We’ve got to keep these people out of here. I cannot find any way that preaching hate helps that situation.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 29, 2016, 10:39:03 pm
http://transgirlnextdoor.tumblr.com/post/109628309279/before-you-ask-a-trans-person-about-their-private

(http://65.media.tumblr.com/7644e1d8db1eb849be4416eb9fd6b8e5/tumblr_nj0p6u4cDl1sidfiqo1_1280.jpg)

Followed by nine more images about when it's OK to ask a trans person about their genitalia.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on August 31, 2016, 08:51:00 pm
Latest on the grazy conspiracy theory / sovereign citizen front: there have been weird advertisement posters recently in UK about a "legal name fraud". I was about to post this on the other thread at first but since I love the comments from the legal experts I'll throw this in here.

(http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/3631/production/_89937831_capture.jpg)

What is this about? A BBC article (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36499750) explains:

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A further web search took me to a site called legalnamefraud.com, which outlines a theory that when your birth was registered, a legal entity - your legal name - was created. But the legal entity "Jane Smith" is distinct from the actual physical person Jane Smith, the website says.
When your parents registered your birth on the certificate, it insists, they unknowingly gave the Crown Corporation ownership of your name. "Simply thus, all legal names are owned by the Crown, and therefore using a legal name without their written permission is fraud."

The website is registered to a Canadian woman called Kate Renee Thompson who writes under the pseudonym Kate of Gaia. Nobody knows who paid for the costs for the ad campaign - probably hundreds of thousands of pounds - or why the ads have been bought in Britain and not Canada. This is probably connected to a Keith William Thompson who tried to use the sovereign citizen defense in a Canadian court in 2012 to avoid paying his parking fine. Keith and Kate of Gaia might very well be the same person since Keith reportedly preferred to be called Katherine.

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When I emailed Kate of Gaia, she replied asking to be addressed as "JANE DOE-755" and urged me to "google legal name fraud and read the essays like millions of others did....be a real journalist vs. a talking B-B.C. talking pair-rot" (sic). She didn't reply to my enquiry about who funded the billboard posters.

I love how the British law experts don't bother mincing their words.
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Does this interpretation of the law have any validity? "Absolutely not. Absolutely none at all," says barrister, law blogger and lecturer Carl Gardner. "It's a kind of brew of pseudo-legal ideas. It's the equivalent of thinking Harry Potter is science."
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Regardless of who funded it, the campaign has won attention for a hitherto fringe theory. David Allen Green, the legal commentator and solicitor at Preiskel & Co LLP who blogs as Jack of Kent, says it is "complete tosh" and warns people against relying on it in court.

He adds: "It is nothing about law, and it is not harmless. Taking this daftness seriously can be legally dangerous. If people try to use such things to avoid their legal obligations they can end up with county court judgments or even criminal convictions. You may as well walk into court with a t-shirt saying 'I am an idiot'."
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 01, 2016, 02:31:16 am
Didn't we talk about this earlier already? It's basically the same as the "Crown something-something company" conspiracy theory that Sovereign Citizens have in USA.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 04, 2016, 04:48:53 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coco7hvVYAA8jKc.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 21, 2016, 03:01:16 pm
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14224709_10153714728796216_6400189079364441000_n.jpg?oh=26423c11b978b5784b9b377cb328a450&oe=5874A523)

This was on FB for less than 5 minutes before someone showed up to reply with "Kill yourself." Currently there are 50 or so replies to his comment. Mainly a bunch of people tearing him a new one or laughing at how little time it took to prove the point of the comic. He keeps responding, alternatively insulting people, claiming that there are only two genders and everything else is made up, claiming that the first amendment of the US constitution protects his right to tell people to kill themselves and that anyone who is mean to him is breaking the laws...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on September 21, 2016, 05:46:46 pm
^What a Dick.

http://www.gq.com/story/a-word-for-donald-trump-voters

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Earlier this week, the Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold uncovered yet another Donald Trump scam job, in which he used over $250,000 in charitable donations to help pay off his legal bills. And, because this is Trump, that sordid (and almost certainly illegal) bit of money laundering is just ONE despicable detail of the story. There are many more, including Trump’s club trying to welch on a $1 million hole-in-one payout (out of all of Trump’s bad qualities, his steadfast refusal to pay people what he owes them, while bragging about it, is the most enraging), along with the old bit about Trump blithely ignoring local ordinances so he could put a big, dipshit flagpole up at the Mar-A-Lago club, with his lawyers stating—with a straight face—that a smaller flag “would fail to appropriately express the magnitude of Donald J. Trump’s . . . patriotism” (NOTE: Until recently, Trump didn’t know what the stripes on the flag symbolized).

None of this is surprising, of course. Trump is a liar and a crook, and he commits abominable acts at such a frenetic pace that they get lost in the fury surrounding whatever horrible thing he does next. Keith Olbermann needed over 17 minutes on this site just to list a fraction of the atrocities Trump has staged during election season, and he’s gonna need 17 more minutes to cover what happens between now and Election Day. Remember when Trump said he would get rid of food regulations? That was Thursday.

Regardless, in the end, people are still gonna vote for this man. Maybe not enough to get him elected, but still: it’ll be in the tens of millions. (Note to the people causing the polls to fluctuate: What the fuck is wrong with you? I gotta meet the five percent of people who saw Hillary come down with pneumonia and were like, “Forget her, gimme the dictator with dryer lint hair.”) Nothing that Trump says, no damning piece of Trump reportage, and certainly no opinion piece like this one will stop his voters from pulling the lever. Nor will anything stop Trump from being the officious, braindead goon that he is. He will never answer for his crimes, and there’s a frighteningly large portion of the electorate that will always love him for that.

And so I’d just like to say to that portion of the electorate: Fuck you. No, seriously. Go fuck yourselves. I’m not gonna waste any more time trying to convince you that you’re about to do something you’ll regret forever. I’m not gonna show you old clips of Trump saying rotten things. I’m not gonna try to ANNIHILATE Trump by showing you records of his hypocrisy and greed. I’m not gonna link to a John Oliver clip and be like, “THIS. So much this.” Nothing’s gonna take down Trump at this point, so I’m not gonna bother. No no, this post is for ME. I am preaching to the sad little choir in my soul here.

Because while Trump is a miserable bastard, YOU are the people who have handed him the bullhorn. YOU are the people willing to embarrass this nation and put it on the brink of economic ruin all because you wanna throw an electoral hissy fit. YOU are the people who want to revolutionize the way America does business by voting for its worst businessman, a disgusting neon pig who only makes money when he causes problems for other people instead of solving them. YOU are the thin-skinned yokels who clutch your bandoliers whenever someone hurls the mildest of slurs at you (“deplorables”), while cheering Trump on as he leaves a bonfire of truly hateful invective everywhere he goes. YOU are the people willing to overlook the fact that Trump is an unqualified, ignorant sociopath because DURRRR HILLARY IS BAD TOO DURRRR.

You know what? No, she’s not. She’s fine. I lived through one Clinton, and I can live through another. My reasons for hating Trump are better than your reasons for hating Hillary. Show me all the arguments against her you like. You guys don’t give a shit about facts and research when it comes to Trump, so I’m not gonna give a shit about whatever clumsy meme you cook up to explain why she did Benghazi. Nope. Sorry. Fuck your arguments, and fuck you. Trump has shown no respect for anyone, so I don’t see why you deserve any either. Whatever mildly frustrating centrist liberal bureaucracy that Hillary presides over will be fine compared to the spray tan mushroom cloud that would arise all because YOU thought Trump was such a brave, un-PC dickhead to everyone within shouting distance.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 22, 2016, 12:05:54 am
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Also:

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Okay, crazy conservatives, so, you're saying, given a large number of people, the vast majority of whom are no threat at all, the possibility that a tiny fraction of the group might possibly be dangerous is justification for ignoring the needs of everyone else, for rejecting all of them and letting them continue to suffer their oppression. Yes? That's what you're saying?

Are you aware that you are simultaneously making an argument for the total elimination of guns from society?

In fact, here's a simplified restatement for the slower kids in back.

The Skittles meme can be paraphrased as follows: "Here's a group of a thousand people. One of them might be dangerous. We don't know which one, and we don't know for sure. But there's a chance one of them could be a killer."

If that justifies keeping that entire group out of the country, it also justifies disarming the public, i.e., taking away everyone's guns on the chance that one person might be a violent lunatic. If you insist upon the former but reject the latter, then your argument is not rational or logically formed, and it is incumbent upon you to identify the emotional bias that leads you to support one conclusion but not the other.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on September 22, 2016, 04:23:54 pm
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Re apartheid:
Talking to white South Africans of my parents’ generation, what one hears most often is wistfulness. They once lived in a magical country in which everything was set up in order to belong to people like them. If they looked under the surface then what they saw was deeply ugly, but many intentionally chose not to for that very reason. Many, even lefties like my parents, will occasionally wax nostalgic about it. Yes, it was hideous, but they didn’t see the hideousness in their daily lives if they didn’t look for it: what they saw was a country where people like them got to vote for leaders like them who spoke about policies that concerned people like them, in their own language. When people on television made jokes then they could relate to them, and when religious leaders said bigoted things then at least it was a bigotry they were familiar with. That’s something which is hard to hate even if you know that it exists upon immoral foundations.

It’s easy to deal with that conflict by hating its victims, and many white South Africans did that. It’s also easy to deal with it by saying “we know we should reform it, but then it wouldn’t be our country any more, so we can’t bear to.” Many white South Africans did that too.

I have a great deal of fellow feeling with modern-day Israelis. No matter how much one knows about the ugliness that underlies everything, what one sees on a daily basis is a comfortable country. Jewish people elect a Jewish government which governs for its Jewish citizens in Hebrew. The jokes on television are about things they can relate to, and when religious leaders say something bigoted then at least it’s a bigotry that they can relate to. If you’re an outsider then it’s very easy to say “we need to give Palestinians the right to return,” and very easy to scoff at the response “then it wouldn’t be our country any more”; but that is a genuine and heartfelt response and should not be downplayed.

Similarly, when I hear neoconfederates in the United States, or isolationists in Australia or UKIP members in the United Kingdom, I can hear the same plaintive cry. I empathise with it, but I oppose it as I must.

We destroyed apartheid in South Africa, and it was the right thing to do. Nowadays the government is black, voted in by a mostly black electorate, and it governs on behalf of a mostly black nation. Afrikaans language music and television is now pretty niche, and when people worry about what the religious community will think, they’re no longer thinking of the Dutch Reformed Church. In a sense, we lost our country. In another sense, it was never ours to begin with. In a broader sense it is still ours and always has been, but the “us” has broadened. In the broadest sense, we didn’t lose our country but won it, and in doing so won ourselves too.

It hurts to let go of privilege. I will not diminish that. It is very painful to admit that we were wrong all along, and that the fairytale land of our childhoods must recede into mist as all fairytales do. But it is important.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 29, 2016, 10:47:44 am
HAH!

I'll just link this since it's so long: http://imgur.com/gallery/Y4Cs6
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 27, 2016, 06:03:29 am
I feel like that excerpt is going to far in the other direction. Bullying targets social outcasts, or even just easy targets, not specifically minorities. In practice, this does indeed translate to minorities being targeted quite a lot, but definitely not exclusively. While I can agree that we should acknowledge that bigotry can and often is a big part of it, it's equally harmful to suggest that it's the one and only cause of bullying, as it would then follow that white, straight, mentally healthy, whatever-other-traits-that-are-on-Tumblr's-shit-list kids can't be bullied.

EDIT: Goddamnit, Lizard. You're making me look like a crazy person.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on November 08, 2016, 06:16:42 am
Interesting article on the subject of cultural appropriation https://extranewsfeed.com/cultural-appropriation-is-a-toxic-concept-97340ff040e9#.ba9k7fogp
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 09, 2016, 03:32:15 pm
Interesting article on the subject of cultural appropriation https://extranewsfeed.com/cultural-appropriation-is-a-toxic-concept-97340ff040e9#.ba9k7fogp
What drives me up the fucking tree is that while wealthy Indian women freak out because African women are using "their" henna and fashion police chastise fucking juggalos for having dready hair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZSS_ya4SWo) this (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/bigots-vandalize-a-south-philly-building-with-pro-trump-pro-nazi-images/) is going on.

While the broad left have been masturbating about cultural appropriation and spouting incoherent waffle about prejudice plus power  (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power) they didn't notice that Fascism was back on the fucking march. I guess if every white dude is a white supremacist and a cultural vandal for wearing a cap backwards or a wallet chain you won't notice the blackshirts marching down the street, they look the same as the folks they're coshing. Until they come for you.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on November 24, 2016, 08:22:13 am
(http://i.imgur.com/5pzBebM.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 19, 2017, 02:05:59 am
TL;DR: Makeup company got, for the first time, a guy as a makeup model and when the stupidsphere started complaining the model's father had something to say.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2KptlDVIAAgddr.jpg)

http://www.upworthy.com/read-the-powerful-viral-note-this-dad-wrote-to-his-makeup-artist-sons-bully?c=ufb1

Also of note is that apparently the conservatives think that if guys become gay it is because their father didn't raise them right...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2017, 08:16:50 am
Honestly, being raised right would make one MORE likely to come out.  Courage to look into oneself, honestly assess one's desires, and the security of self and one's social group to be able to be out with it.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 10:15:20 am
https://hopestillflies.com/a-modest-proposal-for-preventing-further-violence-of-the-illogical-for-a-positive-net-result-for-community-and-humanity/ (https://hopestillflies.com/a-modest-proposal-for-preventing-further-violence-of-the-illogical-for-a-positive-net-result-for-community-and-humanity/)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 07, 2017, 12:14:03 pm
...Why is that a good thing? Did you even read it? Apart from every single sentence being a painful attempt to force words into a physical manifestation of holier than thou attitude and faked intelligence the main messages seem to be:

a) The writer is a really smart and awesome person who we should be in awe of but they nevertheless have no people skills and have never been to school as they also lack almost all knowledge of history.

b) SJWs are literally responsible for millions of deaths because the word social justice is kinda like socialism and much like socialism social justice is also popular. (I have no idea how this logic works or why the writer doesn't like socialism and national socialism together.)

c) The Nazis weren't actually that bad.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 01:52:32 pm
...Why is that a good thing? Did you even read it? Apart from every single sentence being a painful attempt to force words into a physical manifestation of holier than thou attitude and faked intelligence the main messages seem to be:

a) The writer is a really smart and awesome person who we should be in awe of but they nevertheless have no people skills and have never been to school as they also lack almost all knowledge of history.

b) SJWs are literally responsible for millions of deaths because the word social justice is kinda like socialism and much like socialism social justice is also popular. (I have no idea how this logic works or why the writer doesn't like socialism and national socialism together.)

c) The Nazis weren't actually that bad.

(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/1/74/129589942-OverYourHead.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 07, 2017, 02:44:30 pm
No really, read the text.

The writer complains about people who punch Neo-Nazis and tries to argue the case that this makes them worse than the Nazis.

But rather than use any reasonable argument on how, for example, punching people in the face is wrong if it is not done in self defense, they go for crazy hyberboles to make up a fake reason to justify killing SWJs.

Note that they didn't try to justify punching SWJs by, oh let's say defending the freedom of speech and the body of Nazis from vigilantee attacks? No, they went for a silly story instead.

See, here's the thing. If you think that punching Nazis in the face is bad because people shouldn't be punched in the face, then why not say that? Why not argue that all politically motivated violence is wrong? Why spend time arguing that punching a person who promotes "peaceful" ethnic cleansing and supports people who promote violent, lethal, actual ethnic cleansing makes you worse than him and his entire faction rather than simply saying that punching anoyne in the face just for what they said is wrong?

The writer isn't attacking the attack, they are trying to discredit the entire SJW movement because they did not denounce the attack.

(Spencer has not denounced Hitler. So by that logic... If SJWs as a cause are now wrong-bad because they don't denounce a punch what does that say about Spencer and Alt-Right when they don't denounce Hitler and Nazis who causes millions of deaths?)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 02:51:34 pm
No really, read the text.

The writer complains about people who punch Neo-Nazis and tries to argue the case that this makes them worse than the Nazis.

But rather than use any reasonable argument on how, for example, punching people in the face is wrong if it is not done in self defense, they go for crazy hyberboles to make up a fake reason to justify killing SWJs.

Note that they didn't try to justify punching SWJs by, oh let's say defending the freedom of speech and the body of Nazis from vigilantee attacks? No, they went for a silly story instead.

See, here's the thing. If you think that punching Nazis in the face is bad because people shouldn't be punched in the face, then why not say that? Why not argue that all politically motivated violence is wrong? Why spend time arguing that punching a person who promotes "peaceful" ethnic cleansing and supports people who promote violent, lethal, actual ethnic cleansing makes you worse than him and his entire faction rather than simply saying that punching anoyne in the face just for what they said is wrong?

The writer isn't attacking the attack, they are trying to discredit the entire SJW movement because they did not denounce the attack.

(Spencer has not denounced Hitler. So by that logic... If SJWs as a cause are now wrong-bad because they don't denounce a punch what does that say about Spencer and Alt-Right when they don't denounce Hitler and Nazis who causes millions of deaths?)

It's satire. The first three words in the title are "A Modest Proposal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal)".
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 07, 2017, 03:30:46 pm
Sure. It's satire trying to make a point, which, as far as I can tell, is:

1) Mao is responsible for more deaths than Hitler (true)

2) People think Neo-Nazis are bad because Nazis killed a lot of people (inexact)

3) Analogously, people should think that modern socialists are worse than Neo-Nazis because communism caused more deaths than nazism (forced analogy by simplified premises)

4) The Social Justice movement is basically the same thing as being a modern socialist (plain wrong. just cause I want access to HRT and to make out with my girlfriend in public doesn't mean I support any particular economic policies)

Therefore: 5) people who support punching Nazis should endorse even greater violence against social justice people (bad conclusion to a flawed argument)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 07, 2017, 03:52:40 pm
The Nazis are considered the worst people on Earth, worse than Mao and Stalin, who both have higher kill counts, not because they "killed a lot of people", which is just bullshit. They're considered the worst people on Earth because they deliberately and systematically killed millions of people in specific social and ethnic groups. And here's where the comparison falls completely flat. Yes, Mao is responsible for the deaths of 78 million people, but he didn't set out and go "I'm going to kill these 78 million people because they're Jewish/homosexual/Japanese". In fact, if I remember correctly, and I cannot look it up at this exact moment, most of those 78 million deaths was due to famine. And that's the difference. Mao's policies killed people, but Hitler set out to kill, hell, set out to eradicate specific groups of people. And that's the difference, and that's where the comparison falls flat on the ground.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 03:59:25 pm
Sure. It's satire trying to make a point, which, as far as I can tell, is:

1) Mao is responsible for more deaths than Hitler (true)

2) People think Neo-Nazis are bad because Nazis killed a lot of people (inexact)

3) Analogously, people should think that modern socialists are worse than Neo-Nazis because communism caused more deaths than nazism (forced analogy by simplified premises)

4) The Social Justice movement is basically the same thing as being a modern socialist (plain wrong. just cause I want access to HRT and to make out with my girlfriend in public doesn't mean I support any particular economic policies)

Therefore: 5) people who support punching Nazis should endorse even greater violence against social justice people (bad conclusion to a flawed argument)

Of course the logic is bad. That's the point. It's showcasing how justifications for attacking people based on their politics can spiral out of control. Look at what happened at Berkeley. Even if you think it's okay to punch Nazis, Yiannipoulos is not a Nazi by any stretch of the imagination.

The Nazis are considered the worst people on Earth, worse than Mao and Stalin, who both have higher kill counts, not because they "killed a lot of people", which is just bullshit. They're considered the worst people on Earth because they deliberately and systematically killed millions of people in specific social and ethnic groups. And here's where the comparison falls completely flat. Yes, Mao is responsible for the deaths of 78 million people, but he didn't set out and go "I'm going to kill these 78 million people because they're Jewish/homosexual/Japanese". In fact, if I remember correctly, and I cannot look it up at this exact moment, most of those 78 million deaths was due to famine. And that's the difference. Mao's policies killed people, but Hitler set out to kill, hell, set out to eradicate specific groups of people. And that's the difference, and that's where the comparison falls flat on the ground.

Mao kept exporting food knowing full well his people were starving. And there's some evidence suggesting that he deliberately caused the famine.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 07, 2017, 07:05:42 pm
It also implies that people are saying that punching Nazis will be free from legal consequences. No one has said that. Everyone who thinks it's morally fine to punch a nazi accept that doing so is illegal and should remain so.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 08:23:11 pm
It also implies that people are saying that punching Nazis will be free from legal consequences. No one has said that. Everyone who thinks it's morally fine to punch a nazi accept that doing so is illegal and should remain so.

Really? Care to enlighten me?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 07, 2017, 08:38:24 pm
No. I don't care to, nor is it possible. Try and find any piece(other than this satire) which says that punching people should be, or is, legal rather than simply morally justified.

BTW how is the new persona going? Is it difficult to maintain character?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 08:49:57 pm
No. I don't care to, nor is it possible. Try and find any piece(other than this satire) which says that punching people should be, or is, legal rather than simply morally justified.

BTW how is the new persona going? Is it difficult to maintain character?

You seem to have not noticed my bolding of your last sentence. And anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

BTW, ban-dodging is a serious accusation. I've been patient up to now, but I have my limits. Either put up, or shut up.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 07, 2017, 09:01:14 pm
I noticed your bolding. But still, I neither care to nor am able to enlighten you. However I may be able to inform you, although I doubt it. But as I said go and find any piece that suggests it is, or even should be, legal.

I am yet to come across as single opinion that doesn't accept that it is illegal. The antifa activists themselves accept they will be breaking the law. Find a single article that says it should be legal. I've found one that says its morally right yet still illegal : http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2017/01/okay-punching-nazis/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2017/01/okay-punching-nazis/)

Or this one:http://abovethelaw.com/2017/02/we-need-to-talk-about-punching-nazis/ (http://abovethelaw.com/2017/02/we-need-to-talk-about-punching-nazis/) - which says:

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If you punch someone, that’s assault, and you should be appropriately punished for it. If you riot and destroy property, you should be brought to justice. Your motivations can’t change the law. I’ve got no time for the person who wants to punch a white supremacist peaceably talking out of his ass in the street, and then not pay a fine or go to jail for it. Those people LACK the courage of their convictions. If punching another person is so important to you, then you should be willing to pay the price for it. Civil disobedience has consequences, and the truly courageous are willing to suffer those consequences.

As for:

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BTW, ban-dodging is a serious accusation. I've been patient up to now, but I have my limits. Either put up, or shut up.

What are your limits? Mine are scat and blood.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 09:20:25 pm
I noticed your bolding. But still, I neither care to nor am able to enlighten you. However I may be able to inform you, although I doubt it. But as I said go and find any piece that suggests it is, or even should be, legal.

I am yet to come across as single opinion that doesn't accept that it is illegal. The antifa activists themselves accept they will be breaking the law. Find a single article that says it should be legal. I've found one that says its morally right yet still illegal : http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2017/01/okay-punching-nazis/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2017/01/okay-punching-nazis/)

Or this one:http://abovethelaw.com/2017/02/we-need-to-talk-about-punching-nazis/ (http://abovethelaw.com/2017/02/we-need-to-talk-about-punching-nazis/) - which says:

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If you punch someone, that’s assault, and you should be appropriately punished for it. If you riot and destroy property, you should be brought to justice. Your motivations can’t change the law. I’ve got no time for the person who wants to punch a white supremacist peaceably talking out of his ass in the street, and then not pay a fine or go to jail for it. Those people LACK the courage of their convictions. If punching another person is so important to you, then you should be willing to pay the price for it. Civil disobedience has consequences, and the truly courageous are willing to suffer those consequences.

As for:

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BTW, ban-dodging is a serious accusation. I've been patient up to now, but I have my limits. Either put up, or shut up.

What are your limits? Mine are scat and blood.

Thus far, I haven't found any that outright say it is (or should be) legal. What I'm disputing is the sentence I bolded.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 07, 2017, 09:44:17 pm
Do you take issue with my use of 'everyone' and 'thinks'? Do you really think I was suggesting I know what 'everyone' 'thinks'?

Or is it simply a pissing contest? Do you want me to say - 'every article I have read which posits it is morally justified to punch a nazi, does not dispute the legal norm that it is illegal to punch anyone, whether identifying as a member of the National Socialist party or not'.

Either way my point is still a valid criticism of what was a fairly weaksauce satire, which proceeded on the premise that people were suggesting that punching Nazis was now legal (as opposed to simply morally justified).

BTW what happens if we reach the limits of your patience?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 07, 2017, 09:55:50 pm

Mao kept exporting food knowing full well his people were starving. And there's some evidence suggesting that he deliberately caused the famine.

As mentioned in the post, specific groups. The Nazis didn't just kill people, they went after and genocided specific groups. This is the difference. Really, the actual number is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 10:03:25 pm
Do you take issue with my use of 'everyone' and 'thinks'? Do you really think I was suggesting I know what 'everyone' 'thinks'?

Or is it simply a pissing contest? Do you want me to say - 'every article I have read which posits it is morally justified to punch a nazi, does not dispute the legal norm that it is illegal to punch anyone, whether identifying as a member of the National Socialist party or not'.

Either way my point is still a valid criticism of what was a fairly weaksauce satire, which proceeded on the premise that people were suggesting that punching Nazis was now legal (as opposed to simply morally justified).

BTW what happens if we reach the limits of your patience?

Nothing so finicky as that. My problem was that there were a lot of "punch a Nazi" types who had no such disclaimers.


Mao kept exporting food knowing full well his people were starving. And there's some evidence suggesting that he deliberately caused the famine.

As mentioned in the post, specific groups. The Nazis didn't just kill people, they went after and genocided specific groups. This is the difference. Really, the actual number is irrelevant.

Alright, now I see where you're coming from. Objection withdrawn.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 07, 2017, 10:05:52 pm
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 07, 2017, 10:22:45 pm
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

I'll see if I can.

EDIT: Found one (http://www.mediaite.com/online/professor-at-nyu-protest-screams-at-police-demands-they-attack-campus-speaker/).
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 08, 2017, 12:42:05 am
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

I'll see if I can.

EDIT: Found one (http://www.mediaite.com/online/professor-at-nyu-protest-screams-at-police-demands-they-attack-campus-speaker/).
What does finding one single individual who thinks that the police shouldn't arrest Nazi punchers but should punch Nazis achieve?

OK-we have a single point of belief that thinks that Nazi-pummeling shouldn't be police business. Maybe you'll be able to find two or three, heck in the crawling chaos of the interwebz you'll be able to find positive opinions for just about anything.

I guess if you just wanted to make the rather pedantic point that those in favor of the legalisation of Nazi-pummeling exist well, bully for you. There is a rather large difference between this extreme minority position and the position of those who think it is moral but that it should not be legal however.

Also Lana, I'm guessing you are American but, in making the argument that all socialists=MaoPolPotStalin, the "satire" you were referring to implies that every person who has chosen that label including 59 odd parties around the world who still use the label "socialist" in their name are Maoist Stalinists in favor of the worst excesses of Stalin or Mao. That should be news to most of them.

In contrast Milo loves him some Hitler (http://rsbenedict.tumblr.com/post/139549103241/why-did-the-university-of-minnesota-host-a) and while Spencer claims not to be a Nazi he sure does love him some Nazi salutes and politics that are indistinguishable from the Nazis. (http://www.dailywire.com/news/11089/5-things-know-about-alt-right-leader-richard-aaron-bandler)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 08, 2017, 12:47:01 am
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

I'll see if I can.

EDIT: Found one (http://www.mediaite.com/online/professor-at-nyu-protest-screams-at-police-demands-they-attack-campus-speaker/).

Not exactly a thought out position or article. Random 'professor' at protest screaming abuse at cops.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 08, 2017, 01:51:54 am
Tol, Spencer specifically refuses to denounce KKK or Hitler. When given the chance he can't go as far as to say that lynching people is bad or that the Holocaust was anything special. He just seems annoyed and "refuses to play that game."

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11089/5-things-know-about-alt-right-leader-richard-aaron-bandler
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 08, 2017, 02:24:41 am
Pretty much what my link said.

I wasn't actually giving credence to Mr "peaceful ethnic cleansing's" claims to non-Naziness.

Of course the particularly pedantic among us could always use Conty's definition of Nazi as only including the original members of the Depression and WWII era NDSAP.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 10, 2017, 07:37:19 am
Online anger-man from Something Awful. (http://www.somethingawful.com/news/debate-me-now/)

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That's right. I've been powering up these logical brain lasers for hours now just to tear through your fallacies like so much tissue paper. Let me set the stage: my house, seven hours, a webcam, and you and me, duking it out with truth-fists. A jury of my choosing, made up of my peers. The loser gives $10,000 to whatever charity deals with the most tragic of cancers...

...Or don't you have the balls? That's right, everyone knows the male testes contain the concentrated masculine essence needed to form pure logic energy. It's the reason I have abstained from all sexual contact--by choice, I assure you. Buddy, my logic lumps are swollen, painful, and ready to unleash sticky ropes of white-hot arguments all over you. When I'm ready to bust, you better stand back. Sometimes it only takes 20 seconds for me to finish, but I've been told that's completely normal for a man who's too busy owning fools like you to stand for more than five minutes a day.

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on February 10, 2017, 07:50:20 am
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

I'll see if I can.

EDIT: Found one (http://www.mediaite.com/online/professor-at-nyu-protest-screams-at-police-demands-they-attack-campus-speaker/).

Dude, deja vu
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on February 15, 2017, 05:30:50 pm
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Sometimes I like to get my students' brains working by having them go backwards from an answer to work out the question that would bring it about. In that same spirit I offer the following, and ask: what was Trump asked that he said the following in response?

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Well, I just want to say that we are, you know, very honored by the victory that we had. 306 electoral college votes. We were not supposed to 220. You know that, right? There was no way to 221, but then they said there’s no way to 270. And there’s tremendous enthusiasm out there.

I will say that we are going to have peace in this country. We are going to stop crime in this country. We are going to do everything within our power to stop long-simmering racism and every other thing that’s going on, because a lot of bad things have been taking place over a long period of time. I think one of the reasons I won the election is we have a very, very divided nation. Very divided. And hopefully I’ll be able to do something about that. It was something that was very important to me.

As far as people, Jewish people, so many friends, a daughter who happens to be here right now, a son-in-law, and three beautiful grandchildren. I think that you’re going to see a lot different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. I think a lot of good things are happening, and you’re going to see a lot of love. You’re going to see a lot of love. OK? Thank you.

The answer, which I'm sure you got, is
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Nailed it, didn't he?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 16, 2017, 07:39:28 am
Exhibit A in the ongoing series: "How to Fail At Pretending to Know the Answer to the Question."
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 16, 2017, 07:52:47 am
That's pretty standard politician answer. Don't actually answer the question, but rather regurgitate an unrelated pre-scripted soundbite.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on March 09, 2017, 01:36:25 am
https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/345719

Specifically, this excerpt:

Cricketer Sachin Tendulkar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachin_Tendulkar) was asked what he would say to a cricket fan who wouldn't consider watching a women's game. His response:

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I guess he is not a cricket fan. If you are a true cricket fan, you need to get there in the middle and watch that action. They are skillful players, they are competitive, they fight hard and in the right spirit. Then why wouldn’t you want to be there? I think you need a closer look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself some strong question that are you a cricket fan or cricket lover. If yes, then you better be there.

But really, it applies to any sport.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 09, 2017, 02:12:16 am
From the Cracked comments section.

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"How 'Men's Rights Activists' Use Cult Tactics On Its Members"

Really? This is AWESOME! I've got to join them right away.

*Rushes out. Returns a few hours later*

Well, this is rather disappointing. I regret to inform those of you who might have gotten excited not to bother. From my few hours at the cult were mostly a bunch of us bitching and moaning endlessly about how unfair and women life were to us and we deserved respect, despite having done nothing to deserve it I could see.

Not once did we try to summon a daemon, choose our mark of Chaos, pray to one of the Dark Gods, or even make plans to over throw or corrupt society so our Unholy Masters' will be done. I mean, from the general lack of hygiene and aura of despair I was pretty sure at first it was a Nurglitch Cult, but nah.

2/10, wouldn't join again.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on March 10, 2017, 02:09:14 am
https://noahdyer.com/scandal-and-controversy/

A candidate for Governor of Arizona, Noah Dyer, is being refreshingly honest about things like his sex life and religious views.

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Noah has had both deep and casual sexual experiences with all kinds of women.  He is an advocate of open relationships.  He’s had group sex and sex with married women.  He has sent and received intimate texts and pictures, and occasionally recorded video during sex. Noah has always been forthright with his partners.  All of his relationships have been legal and consensual, never coercive, or abusive, and he condemns such behavior. Noah is unapologetic about his sexual choices, and wishes others the same safety and confidence as they express themselves.

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Noah believes religion is beautiful when it inspires people to serve others and persevere despite adversity.  Alternatively, he has spoken out very harshly when religion is used to defend intolerance and bully with mysticism. Such harsh words are rare these days, but if you’d like to read some of his past tirades, feel free to scroll through his old Facebook posts, all of which are set to public.

Noah believes that all people ought to be free to believe whatever they want about the origins of the universe and how it works.  He also believes that, when such beliefs have political and legal implications, they ought to be debated and evaluated on their merits, just like any other political or legal idea.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 13, 2017, 11:31:15 am
This is a long one:
(click to show/hide)

Interesting too, despite being a guy I have not yet understood what makes some guys send dick pics. The Twitter theory might not be entirely accurate but the desexualization of men is an interesting observation. But does it really explain the dick pics? I've never sent them and they weren't a thing when I was a young adult... Then again, we didn't have cameras on our phones back then, so maybe I'm just too old?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 13, 2017, 09:13:05 pm
You always hear that women are too sexualised, but that's the first time I've heard someone say that men aren't sexualised enough. I have to say, it would explain quite a lot, and does kind of make sense when you think about it. People generally do like it when others show interest in them. It seems pretty natural that not enough would be just as much of a problem as too much.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 13, 2017, 11:26:09 pm
I try to wear very tight clothes and muscle myself up on some part because indeed I want to be looked at and sexualized. I look up to Jeff Seid, and find him to be basically what I want to look like.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2017, 08:29:57 am
You always hear that women are too sexualised, but that's the first time I've heard someone say that men aren't sexualised enough. I have to say, it would explain quite a lot, and does kind of make sense when you think about it. People generally do like it when others show interest in them. It seems pretty natural that not enough would be just as much of a problem as too much.

Aye.  I was about to say that they aren't exactly wrong...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on March 16, 2017, 09:06:34 am
A guy tweets about an experiment (https://twitter.com/SchneidRemarks/status/839910253680553988?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) they did with his female coworker. The result is an interesting - albeit anecdotal - piece of evidence about casual sexism in workplace.

Their boss complained that her communication with their clients was too inefficient and time consuming and forced him as her supervisor to pressure her to be more efficient. Then, a client started causing problems for him by acting arrogant and condescending. After a while he realized that he had accidentally left his coworker's signature to the emails he had sent from their shared address. After he started signing them with his own name and told the client he was taking over the project the problem went away.

After asking her about this and her telling that she encounters the same thing all the time they agreed to sign their emails with each other's names for two weeks. She cruised through that time with mutually respectful communications with their clients while he was often forced to deal with condescending and time consuming behavior from them. Nothing else had changed except their perceived genders but their experiences were radically different.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 16, 2017, 09:35:28 am
To be fair, the biggest shitbags in any industry are the clients.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 16, 2017, 10:39:45 am
It may have been just one anecdote but it seems like an experiment that would be easy to repeat. There are jobs where people deal with customers through Email so we can see if this happens more.

If phonecalls or face-to-face interaction is expected then it gets harder but even in those professions there are plenty of instances where, for example, guys do not wish to buy a car from a woman and demand to see a male salesperson. (I once took my car to a mechanic who was a woman. This did surprise me because I realized that this was the first female car mechanic I have met.)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 04, 2017, 04:13:18 pm
Found this in a video on YouTube, so I'm putting it here.

Quote from: Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Let me warn you, and let me warn the nation, against the smooth evasion that says, "Of course we believe these things. We believe in Social Security. We believe in work for the unemployed. We believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in all these things! But we do not like the way the present Administration is doing them! Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them, we will do more of them, we will do them better, and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything!"
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 24, 2017, 02:39:27 am
From Reddit, a good list of all the Trump-Russia connections:
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Don't expect a "smoking-gun moment", unless you really think 100+years experienced Russia is gonna make silly mistakes. Either Russia is good at their job, or they are amateurs who get caught. There exists very strong evidence already public (some of it could :

    Sessions, lied about meeting Russians.
    DJT has been to Russia several times, 1987, 1996, 2013. Why so much business in a poor-investment dictatorship? Defended Putin from accusations of killing journalists. Said Ukraine was not invaded. Praised Putin. Refused to criticize his warcrimes. Stated to ABC that he has a "great relationship with Putin" then lied and said "he has no relationship with Putin." In a press conference, he stated "Microscopic cameras, little tiny cameras that you can't see. I told people if they aren't careful they'll see themselves on the news." After NYE party asked about hacks and emails he stated "just use a courier, if you have something important to write, just send a courier. Send a courier." Similar to how Putin and his inner circle never uses email.
    J.D. Gordon, confessed to saying DJT team organized weakening of Ukraine stance from Party platform.
    Page, met with Russians after lying about it, then lied about there not being an investigation of himself and confessed minutes later in same interview.
    Ivanka tweeted out Russian spyware (Ivanak Trump HQ account). Also parties with a Russian oligarch's wife. Ivanak is trying to build a future political career, frequently taking political photo ops.
    Donald Jr. confessed to Russians owning disproportionate amount of Trump Org. and his father denied it.
    Kushner met with Kislyak along with Flynn & Sessions. He is considered a "spy master"
    Bannon's breitbart has Russian search engine tags on his website. Randomly becomes chief strategist.
    Mercer's (who support Bannon, own Breitbart) yacht was seen with Russian oligarch yachts on an island.
    Betsy Devos's brother Erik Prince met with UAE on Seychelles to establish Trump and Putin backchannel.
    Flynn met with Kislyak and was fired for communicating to the Russians about sanctions and who knows what other crimes. Flynn also took money from RussiaToday & Erdogan.
    Roger Stone, predicted accurately of releases by Russian intel (WL) and has frequently gone on RussiaToday.
    Rudy Giuliani is named as defense lawyer for Iranian-Turkish trader accused of laundering money for Erdogan and breaking Iranian sanctions in a Preet Bharara case. Rudy also predicted somethings about "something big coming" related to Clinton emails live on TV before it happened.
    Rex Tillerson received Order of Friendship from Russia. He has toasted Champagne with Putin while Putin was under sanctions. He was warned by officials not to go to a St. Petersburg meeting to trade with sanctioned Russian nation. He's trying to get a waiver for Russia-arctic deal worth $500B. He's met with Putin by ditching his press pool.
    Paul Manafort, campaign manager of Trump during general election. Was suddenly fired after his Russian-ties and oligarch ties started becoming front page news. Yet he still continued and served as an unofficial capacity inside Trump tower. Kellyanne even refused to take some credit for the DJT victory in an interview because in reality, Paul Manafort was still the boss who gets the credit.
    Michael Cohen, lawyer for campaign, traveled to Europe during the elections, where it is believed he met with Russians. He denied it of course. But why did he lie on TV about never having been to Czech Republic? He later confessed on twitter he had been there before but "in the distant past".
    Rand Paul goes golfing with Trump after putting up a faux-fight over healthcare. He also defends Trump from Russia accusations.
    Mercer, the billionaire that owns 51% of Breitbart, supports Rand Paul, Ted Cruz (Trump accused his father of being involved with JFK's death and yet Ted Cruz is still supportive of Trump today strangely), Mike Lee, and Donald trump. Mercer was angry at Ted for refusing to support Trump during conventions (guess Ted felt underappreciated). Mike Lee is associated with Utah's Jon Huntsman, who became Amb. to Russia last month. Strange. All of these guys were heavily promoting anti-NSA propaganda by Russian spy Ed Snow (which served as a tool for Russian propaganda and a Russian defense minister even confessed he worked for Russia).

You can't just call everything here "one big coincidence" unless you are braindead.

    The Steele Russia dossier has been corroborated and line items have been confirmed by agencies and journalists looking into it. Not one thing has been unequivocally proven false.

(for those who don't understand why I mention Erdogan/Turks... Erdogan since the 2016 coup, has been good friends with Putin, which some places claim was because Putin saved Erdogan's life during the coup. They've been quite friendly ever since which is bizarre.)

EDIT: Can you believe my list is so long and I forgot Paul Manafort the campaign manager and Putin's agent who helped Yanukovich, the Russian puppet in Ukraine?

EDIT2: Woops forgot Michael Cohen too. I keep forgetting things and the list keeps growing, what's going on here.

EDIT3: Hah, someone reminded me of how I didn't mention DJT's own "great relationship with Putin" and his Beauty Pagent in 2013, and going to Russia several times.

EDIT4: Wow did you see that? The russians deleted 2-3 of their own 200+upvote comments, just to bury my comment reply. Haha. Wow Russians, you real good at your jobs bro. Good job bro. Respect.

Feel free to copy-paste this list anywhere. Even re-doing it as a thread on twitter or other sites.

And yes, Pro-Russian commenters did try to bury this post. It was linked to "best of reddit" and several Pro-Russian commenters ganged up on it there as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/5aTK8Xc.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 09, 2017, 11:31:58 am
https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/861744541900132352 (https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/861744541900132352)






Also



Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on May 13, 2017, 02:24:59 am
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 13, 2017, 03:14:28 am
Silly rational people, don't you know that two of those were clearly dirty evil cultural appropriators?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 13, 2017, 08:36:37 am
Maybe its aliens, maybe its engineers...
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 15, 2017, 11:22:51 pm
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/winners-and-losers-of-the-recent-nuclear-holocaust

 
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The nation was recently rocked by retaliatory nuclear blasts that have turned much of America into a barren wasteland, decimating the population, triggering the rise of firestorms and supervolcanoes, and generally bringing civilization to the brink of collapse. Let’s take a look at the political fallout.

Winners

Congressional Republicans: Widespread destruction aside, this was a kumbaya moment for a caucus that has had its share of family spats of late. For the first time since coming together to narrowly pass the American Health Care Act in May, Speaker Paul Ryan wonkily persuaded the House GOP’s version of the Hatfields and McCoys — the principled hardliners of the Freedom Caucus on one hand, and the reasonable moderates of the Tuesday Group on the other — to set their bickering aside just long enough to squeak through a resolution in support of President Trump’s plan, tweeted out at 3:29 a.m. on Thursday morning, to “FRANCE IS LOOKING FOR TROUBLE. Sick country that won’t solve its own problems. Maybe nucluar?” Concerns that a more deliberative Senate would splash cold water on a rare show of Republican unity proved unfounded when Senator Susan Collins (R-ME), the human fulcrum perched stoically at the precise center of American politics, revealed in a nationally televised special that she would vote to authorize nuclear war to balance out the fact that she had recently broken ranks with her party on an agriculture appropriations bill.

CNN: As every news producer knows, nothing makes for better theater than war — and nothing makes for better CNN than theater. Right up until the moment when the first blast’s electromagnetic pulse wiped out all of the technology on the eastern seaboard, the cable giant was in fine form, drawing record viewership to a number of its weekday staples. The roiling debate over whether or not to abruptly drop hydrogen bombs on traditional allies proved to be compelling fodder; one particularly juicy squabble between contributors Jeffrey Lord and Lanny Davis will likely go down in history as the second-to-last thing to go viral. Time will tell whether Ari Fleischer’s observation that a nuclear conflict “could be the victory that Donald Trump needs to right the ship of this administration” holds true, but one thing’s for certain
— this moment was CNN as it was meant to be: a grand arena where intellectual titans come to match wits and battle it out over issues with no clear answer.

Donald Trump: Sure, the verdict may not be in just yet. But when the radioactive dust settles, we could be looking at a game-changing moment for a young presidency. Trump may have ruffled some feathers with less-than-sensitive remarks to the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman that the nuclear holocaust would be “way bigger than the old Holocaust,” but let’s be clear — political correctness has never been this man’s game. For a president with his eye on 2020, an uncertain path to reelection just got a whole lot more manageable, with the threshold for victory in the Electoral College now down from 270 votes to 14. While thermonuclear annihilation may be an inelegant solution, it burnishes the public impression of Trump as a man of action — eccentric, perhaps, but someone who at the end of the day isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty or seek out unorthodox solutions. Those who are still parsing whether the first wave of mortal attacks were justified are asking all the wrong questions. The truth is, it doesn’t matter — this president will be remembered as The Great Disruptor for taking strong and decisive action again and again. Goodbye Armageddon. Hello, Arma-mentum.

Losers

Hillary Clinton: The former Secretary of State was spared from the vast and merciless extermination due to scheduled travel. To Wisconsin, you might ask? Of course not. Instead, the one-time Democratic nominee had jetted off to Tanzania to take part in a symposium on empowering women and girls in the world’s fastest-growing economies — an excursion that is sure to raise new questions about her ability to connect with everyday Americans. It’s the same old story: as ever, a politician notorious for being out-of-touch with regular people goes out of her way to prove it once again, this time by failing to relate to the now-quintessential American experience of being instantaneously vaporized into ash by a 500 kiloton wall of unsparing white light that — unlike some people we know — actually deigns to visit blue collar communities in every state.

Decorum: One of the lasting images of western civilization will surely be that of Democratic lawmakers shouting “what the h*ll are you doing?!” at their colleagues from across the aisle during the decisive vote that emboldened President Trump to make good on his nuclear promises. Though it may be considered old-fashioned by some, plenty of Americans still cringe at crude language, and this latest episode is another sad reflection of the coarsening of our public life. The well of the House of Representatives is no place for curse words, no matter how frustrated you are by a vote that went the other way — but try telling that to the handful of irate Dems who, seemingly unaware that C-SPAN was there to capture every moment, hurled expletive after expletive at pragmatic adults-in-the-room Darrell Issa (R-CA), Justin Amash (R-MI), and Elise Stefanik (R-NY) as they cast the votes that clinched a much-needed victory for Speaker Ryan. Here’s hoping that crass behavior on both sides soon gets eradicated along with all carbon-based life forms.

All of those people who died: It can be easy to forget given how exciting the political implications are, but one underreported result of the nuclear holocaust is that hundreds of millions of human beings were killed, the unique symphonies of their lives silenced forever, never again to know the sweet breath of existence.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 21, 2017, 03:48:19 am
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I mostly work with adolescents with developmental and/or physical disabilities (e.g. autism, cerebral palsy, angelman syndrome). The first time I saw a client feel anxiety about Trump was when he mocked the guy with disabilities. The kids I work with have generally experienced a lot of bullying and a major figure doing it seems to have made it more acceptable for other kids to bully them. Additionally, many of my transitioning aged clients are very concerned about their insurance. While nearly all of them will qualify for medicaid, the talk of decreasing medicaid funding has them very nervous about their future access to treatment.

Beyond that, I serve a lot of lower income families. While it largely seems to be ignored by the general public, factories have caused lead to leech into the soil in low income areas and lead is also found in older homes that have chipping paint. Some of the kids are very concerned about having to leave the school that they like because they have heard people say it could be shut down because of vouchers. Parents are concerned because they don't have transportation to and from private schools. Private schools also don't have to honor IEPs in the same way state-funded schools do. This means that the services for kids in need special education programs at these types of schools can leave much to be desired.

I also have some Muslim client's and Mexican/South American clients who are afraid because of the talks of deportation and Muslim bans that they lock all the doors and windows and try to keep their family members from leaving the house. The kids hear stuff on the news and they panic. Additionally, parents have asked some of our staff if we would take care of their kids if they were deported. Other's have asked if we would report their immigration status to child protective services.

I could go on, but I actually have to get ready to head out. I know this is a stressful time for many people, but I hope everyone here is able to find ways to cope. Take care!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 21, 2017, 06:39:49 pm
Card Kingdom is doing a cool thing!


http://thegauntlet2017.causevox.com/blog/the-gauntlet-day-of-games-and-giving-at-mox (http://thegauntlet2017.causevox.com/blog/the-gauntlet-day-of-games-and-giving-at-mox)


Check it out, give money if you can, watch for the next few hours on Twitch.tv/cardkingdom if you like boardgames!




And yes, this is more a doing a good thing than saying one, but this felt like the appropriate thread.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on May 25, 2017, 11:30:30 am
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 31, 2017, 04:48:42 am
In response to this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/ben-sasse-virtue-politics/528015/

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IT'S TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT.

What's vanishing is our society's ability to uphold its end of the social contract. Here's how the fucking social contract works: your society says it has things it wants from you, and in exchange for aiming your life toward what they want, you get to LIVE WELL.

I am a retired middle- and high-school teacher, and I saw no lack of kids working their ASSES off, trying to comply with whatever bullshit busywork their school and district and nation demanded of them. They worked their asses off, did the extra-curriculars, got into the good school, gave up on their DREAMS to pursue the fucking STEM degree because you HAVE to do it to get a job, and then what?

I'm teaching their younger brother, and apparently this great, great student is back home living with mom, with a masters in electrical engineering.

FUCK YOU, BEN SASSE. My god-damn students BELIEVED in this country, believed that if they really did follow all your bullshit Protestant work-ethic shit that their nation, their country, would say, "WELL DONE, and now, for our part of the bargain, here is your secure job, with FULL BENEFITS, with a PENSION, with PAID MATERNITY LEAVE, with job security and pride!"

You see, a nation has to hold up that end of the social contract IF THEY WANT THERE TO BEEEE ANY FUCKING ADULTS! Instead, we have a million studies that less pissed people can post about how wages have stagnated, and nobody gets to have the kind of career my grandfather enjoyed FOR LESS WORK SIXTY YEARS AGO.

FUCK.

HOW FUCKING DARE THESE ASSHOLES think that we are so dumb as to keep putting up with it? 6 out of the 20 most common professions in America are about to be replaced by FUCKING robots in the next generation, and this diposhitz is telling us we need to all come together and study hard and work for.... a future where there aren't any JOBS??? And fuck jobs anyway! I don't want a job for my students, I want them to have what my mother had, a CAREER, doing something meaningful, that made her believe in her country, because when her kids got sick, we got to go to the doctor. Because her NATION, even maybe 40 years ago, was willing to uphold its end of the deal and make sure that its networks of distribution didn't condemn successive generations to more and more poverty.

The only lack of virtue is on the part of these sanctimonious assholes telling us we have to run their fucking rat race harder in the way they tell us, and meanwhile, they're gonna keep funneling ALL THIS NATION'S WEALTH upwards like hot tar through a FUCKING traffic cone right into the asses of billionaires.

Fuck them. I say we rise up and slay them and make a world that holds up its end of the bargain.

And fuck you, Ben Sasse. I had to watch 6th graders, ELEVEN YEAR OLDS with thousand-yard stares because they knew it didn't matter how hard they worked, the structure of YOUR COUNTRY, which YOU GOVERN, has doomed them to fucking penury, you evil, lobbyist-serving piece of shit.

STOP FUCKING WITH MY KIDS, with AMERICAN KIDS. Time to fucking cough up a shitload of reform or get off your god damn soap box.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 05, 2017, 03:26:53 am
Sometimes the world is a wonderful place...

Someone asked: "What would happen if USA decided to leave EU?"
https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-the-USA-announced-that-it-was-withdrawing-from-the-European-Union

I cannot prove with 100% certainty that this was a joke question. Still, the answer to it is pure awesome...

They start off with a simple summary:
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  • It is the general consensus and understanding that the United States is not part of the European Union.
  • Americans and Europeans alike would, in the event it was true, feel very perturbed.
  • We cannot rule out the possibility that President Donald Trump might enter the EU regardless, and repeat bullet-point two.
       

Then they move on to a wonderful "what if?" scenario of how the events might unfold. It is worth reading.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 09, 2017, 08:48:15 pm
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But here’s my question: Who is telling the Tea Partiers and Trump voters to empathize with the rest of us? Why is it all one way? Hochschild’s subjects have plenty of demeaning preconceptions about liberals and blue-staters—that distant land of hippies, feminazis, and freeloaders of all kinds. Nor do they seem to have much interest in climbing the empathy wall, given that they voted for a racist misogynist who wants to throw 11 million people out of the country and ban people from our shores on the basis of religion (as he keeps admitting on Twitter, even as his administration argues in court that Islam has nothing to do with it). Furthermore, they are the ones who won, despite having almost 3 million fewer votes. Thanks to the founding fathers, red-staters have outsize power in both the Senate and the Electoral College, and with great power comes great responsibility. So shouldn’t they be trying to figure out the strange polyglot population they now dominate from their strongholds in the South and Midwest? What about their stereotypes? How respectful or empathetic is the belief of millions of Trump voters, as established in polls and surveys, that women are more privileged than men, that increasing racial diversity in America is bad for the country, that the travel ban is necessary for national security? How realistic is the conviction, widespread among Trump supporters, that Hillary Clinton is a murderer, President Obama is a Kenyan communist and secret Muslim, and the plain-red cups that Starbucks uses at Christmastime are an insult to Christians? One of Hochschild’s subjects complains that “liberal commentators” refer to people like him as a “redneck.” I’ve listened to liberal commentators for decades and have never heard one use this word. But say it happened once or twice. “Feminazi” went straight from Rush Limbaugh’s mouth to general parlance. One of Hochschild’s most charming subjects, a gospel singer and preacher’s wife, uses it like a normal word. Equating women who want their rights with the genocidal murder of millions? How is that not a vile insult?
Source: (https://www.thenation.com/article/liberal-elites-are-not-the-problem/)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/7rj2ZgttvgomY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 09, 2017, 09:54:43 pm
From an anti-abortion, hardcore-textualist, Tea Party-conservative in Minneapolis-Saint Paul who donated to Evan McMullin:

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The Nation is not wrong thar.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 14, 2017, 01:14:28 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 16, 2017, 06:30:16 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on June 16, 2017, 06:52:39 pm
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But here’s my question: Who is telling the Tea Partiers and Trump voters to empathize with the rest of us?

I'm tempted to crack a joke about not supporting lost causes. Tempted, because I think most of the supporters just circle (R) without reading anything else. It's not a matter of convincing people to not be psychopaths; it's a matter of convincing people that the political system is fixable, meaning that the input you feed it actually matters.

The aforementioned joke seems counterproductive toward that aim.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 19, 2017, 01:00:34 am
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 19, 2017, 01:09:44 am
Is it that hard to recognise that it was just a tv show? It wasn't real?
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 19, 2017, 01:12:35 am
Is it that hard to recognise that it was just a tv show? It wasn't real?

I posted it here because we've had quotes from people in other threads about how Bill Cosby can't be bad, because Cliff Huxtable was a great dad!
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 19, 2017, 01:14:24 am
If only Hitler had been an actor rather than an artist. Everything would've been fine.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 19, 2017, 02:01:07 am
And Anthony Hopkins must be a cannibal, because Hannibal Lecter was.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 19, 2017, 02:11:14 am
If only Hitler had been an actor rather than an artist. Everything would've been fine.

Unsuccessful artists always seem to end up fucking bad. Whereas unsuccessful actors end up as excellent waiters I guess
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on July 04, 2017, 11:58:38 pm
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Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 12, 2017, 02:48:38 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RM2SuMyYDU

A send-up of SJWs.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 16, 2017, 07:39:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on July 23, 2017, 12:16:01 am
Patricia Arquette's tweet: (https://twitter.com/PattyArquette/status/888823734525612032)

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Finally all the people in the White House are being polite. They are all running around saying "pardon me."
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 25, 2017, 01:53:49 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/J8X8GZ3.jpg)

"There'd better be three million dollars worth of sodomy going on here or we've made a poor financial decision." Posting it mainly for that joke. Anyway, couldn't find the original article but here's another one: http://www.newsmax.com/US/samford-university-lgbt-group-donation/2017/07/20/id/802819/

Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 26, 2017, 01:45:33 am
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Freedom seldom means the same thing to a wolf that it means to a lamb. If a shelter is built to protect the lambs, the wolves howl that the lambs have lost their freedom. Of course, public programs and collective bargaining restrict some kinds of freedom, but they may safeguard or create other kinds of freedom of greater importance.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 26, 2017, 01:54:46 am
Source? Because that quote is awesome.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 26, 2017, 03:19:35 am
^Comment on this thread

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/07/25/senate-staffers-interns-save-quit-now/#disqus_thread
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2017, 12:33:13 am
(https://m.imgur.com/koQfrOU)

Oh look, even people who get hit in the head for a living can figure this out.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on July 31, 2017, 01:37:10 am
(https://m.imgur.com/koQfrOU)

Oh look, even people who get hit in the head for a living can figure this out.

Fixed the link:

(https://i.imgur.com/koQfrOU.jpg)

Apparently, it's a fake account but still something Stone Cold could believably say based on his previous progressive outbursts.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2017, 02:41:06 am
Dangit.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2017, 02:41:15 am
"I'm just proud of where I'm from!"

Then fly your state flag. Seriously. If it had anything to do with pride in your home state, you'd fly your state flag, not the flag that never actually flew until the fucking Ku Klux Klan adopted it in the 1920s.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2017, 02:56:13 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dol2wi4.png)

Context: Two right wingers crying foul because a musician they like (this is the singer from Machinae Supremacy, a metal band with very strong left wing leanings) advocates single payer health care and are trying to convince him and others that they're wrong with typical right wing rhetoric. One of them keeps citing alt-right YouTubers and Prager U. Here's the source: https://www.facebook.com/stjarnstrom/posts/10154996001274037?comment_id=10154996083504037&reply_comment_id=10155010187969037&notif_t=feed_comment_reply&notif_id=1501481784757330
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 16, 2017, 12:51:00 am
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Liberal arts college professor brutalizes Nazi, who has a permit. More alt-left indoctrination.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHTVZiXVYAA1JMK.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 15, 2017, 02:23:39 am
The definition of oppression is not “failure to see your disgusting opinions about the relative human value of other living breathing people reflected in society at large.” Being shamed, including in public, for holding intolerant, bigoted opinions is not an infringement of your free speech. You are not fighting oppression. You are, at best, fighting criticism. If that’s the hill you really want to die on, fine, but don’t kid yourself it’s the moral high ground. I repeat: You cannot be a rebel for the status quo. It would be physically easier to go and fuck yourself, and I suggest you try. (https://thebaffler.com/war-of-nerves/you-are-not-a-rebel)

And a bonus.

Claiming that anti-fascists are morally equivalent to fascists is a little like claiming that, as both take a toll on the body, cancer and chemotherapy are basically the same. (https://thebaffler.com/war-of-nerves/you-are-not-a-rebel)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 18, 2017, 05:59:06 am
(https://i.imgur.com/AKtGGfg.png)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 26, 2017, 12:14:09 am
Lots of great points. Pity that Twitter messages are so short that it makes it into an awkward platform for stuff like this

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/ziSkg
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 26, 2017, 02:59:42 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQB8OlA2Afk

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Keight's Wager:

Any god which exists would not expect belief in the face of no evidence, therefore rejecting faith is what any god wishes of us; if no god exists, you lose nothing.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on October 03, 2017, 04:04:07 am
(https://i.imgur.com/AKtGGfg.png)

This made me smile.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 08, 2017, 04:26:34 pm
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The Bigger Issue
Is over the past several decades, our discourse progressed something like this:

Guys, the're racists.

Sensible Center: No, they just believe the very important science that suggests that black people are stupid. Also, crime and poverty. Black people are poor and get arrested a lot and stop&frisk is not racist so stop saying that. QED

Guys, they're white supremacists.

Sensible center: No, they're just celebrating the very important heritage of the Confederacy, which is their history, even in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio, which were very important Confederate states. I don't see any actual Klan hoods. Maybe they are white nationalists, which just means they want to preserve their culture. QED

Guys, they're Nazis.

Sensible center: Actually, I don't see much evidence (some, but not too much) of anti-Semitism, which seems to be an important feature of Nazism, right? I mean, the obsession with George Soros and the word globalist is simply political. Obviously they have some views about race which liberals don't support, but it isn't racism, and it certainly isn't Nazism.

Nazis: hey, uh we're Nazis.

Sensible center: No, I really don't think you are.

Nazis: No, really, we're fucking Nazis. Heil Hitler! Check out my Nazi tattoos! We're Nazis!

Sensible center: This is disturbing, but Stalin was bad, too, so, really, both sides. (http://www.eschatonblog.com/2017/10/the-bigger-issue.html?m=1)
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 08, 2017, 08:14:03 pm
Gotta love that Golden Mean fallacy.
Title: Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on December 06, 2017, 06:38:27 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQZoiBqVQAEIpwI.jpg:large)

Merry Christmas!