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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Lana Reverse on February 16, 2018, 07:34:08 pm »
This record of unparalleled, unmitigated failure lies solely at the feet of Barack Obama, .........[snip].........
There was this thing called the GFC.

Oh, I'm aware of that. And I'm aware of how successfully the right-wing liars managed to pin the blame for that on Obama when it was accelerated in its onset by Bush. (It was coming anyway, after the deregulation under Clinton, but the Bush tax cuts and wars sped up the timetable.) But the fact remains: the four people I named were primarily in charge of the Democratic Party during that time (whether as President, DNC Chair, or the Presidential nominee), and during that same time all the losses I outlined took place.

To be clear: I have no personal grudge against Hillary Clinton and wish her no harm. I despise, however, her positions (particularly on economic and foreign policy) and think that the evidence shows that when her ideology is in control of the Democratic Party, it hampers the Democrats and empowers the Republicans, and I think that her presence on the campaign trail will only serve to remind people of everything they hate about her and her ilk, however limited her campaigning.

So basically, we could've been spared 2014 and everything going forward from there if everyone just bowed their heads and went along with whatever Bernie Sanders spoke, and heeded his every word and voted for him instead of Clinton.

I also cannot help but see you basically telling people they should not have voted for Clinton and that Bernie was both a better candidate and spoke more to a "populist sentiment" that should have been heeded. So then, applying this logic, the minority voters who voted for Clinton over Sanders, by quite large numbers, should not have gone with her, but followed you and the many white voters of the Sanders campaign. Because I suppose according to this logic on display they do not know Good Progressivism, and should have obeyed their white saviors, and followed Sanders, as he and his supporters clearly know better than them what is good for them.

So I then must suppose you and other Sanders Supporters believe if only people had coalesced around Sanders instead of Clinton, then...what? You could have rode a wave of populist and in a number of cases protectionist support to the White House, and then commenced...hm, what is a good slogan for riding such a wave of support to the White House? Something catchy, indicating a return to greatness...Make America Excellent Again? How's that sound?

Because populists are ever interchangeable.

Do you really think Trump and Sanders are interchangeable, or are you just trolling?

That aside, just because Sanders didn't put as much emphasis on identity politics as Hillary did in his campaign, doesn't mean he doesn't care about minorities. If he didn't, then why did he march with Dr. King? And if you judge by their heritage, Hillary is far more of a "white savior" than Bernie. Bernie is a Jewish-American of Russo-Polish descent, which is not only a more "ethnic" background than Hillary (an Anglo-Dutch Protestant), but also a group that has a very long history of being discriminated against. While American Antisemitism has generally been less virulent than that of other countries (at least on a societal level), Jews were still pretty badly discriminated against in the United States. Bernie grew up in the 40s and 50s, so he likely experienced this discrimination firsthand. Can he really be called a "white savior" if he was in the same boat as the minorities he fought for?

And I'd say Hillary supporters were "progressive policing" just as much as Bernie supporters, and probably moreso. Remember the "Bernie Bros?" Remember what Gloria Steinem and Madeline Albright said about female Sanders supporters?
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by niam2023 on February 16, 2018, 06:46:49 pm »
This record of unparalleled, unmitigated failure lies solely at the feet of Barack Obama, .........[snip].........
There was this thing called the GFC.

Oh, I'm aware of that. And I'm aware of how successfully the right-wing liars managed to pin the blame for that on Obama when it was accelerated in its onset by Bush. (It was coming anyway, after the deregulation under Clinton, but the Bush tax cuts and wars sped up the timetable.) But the fact remains: the four people I named were primarily in charge of the Democratic Party during that time (whether as President, DNC Chair, or the Presidential nominee), and during that same time all the losses I outlined took place.

To be clear: I have no personal grudge against Hillary Clinton and wish her no harm. I despise, however, her positions (particularly on economic and foreign policy) and think that the evidence shows that when her ideology is in control of the Democratic Party, it hampers the Democrats and empowers the Republicans, and I think that her presence on the campaign trail will only serve to remind people of everything they hate about her and her ilk, however limited her campaigning.

So basically, we could've been spared 2014 and everything going forward from there if everyone just bowed their heads and went along with whatever Bernie Sanders spoke, and heeded his every word and voted for him instead of Clinton.

I also cannot help but see you basically telling people they should not have voted for Clinton and that Bernie was both a better candidate and spoke more to a "populist sentiment" that should have been heeded. So then, applying this logic, the minority voters who voted for Clinton over Sanders, by quite large numbers, should not have gone with her, but followed you and the many white voters of the Sanders campaign. Because I suppose according to this logic on display they do not know Good Progressivism, and should have obeyed their white saviors, and followed Sanders, as he and his supporters clearly know better than them what is good for them.

So I then must suppose you and other Sanders Supporters believe if only people had coalesced around Sanders instead of Clinton, then...what? You could have rode a wave of populist and in a number of cases protectionist support to the White House, and then commenced...hm, what is a good slogan for riding such a wave of support to the White House? Something catchy, indicating a return to greatness...Make America Excellent Again? How's that sound?

Because populists are ever interchangeable.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 16, 2018, 03:37:53 pm »
This record of unparalleled, unmitigated failure lies solely at the feet of Barack Obama, .........[snip].........
There was this thing called the GFC.

Oh, I'm aware of that. And I'm aware of how successfully the right-wing liars managed to pin the blame for that on Obama when it was accelerated in its onset by Bush. (It was coming anyway, after the deregulation under Clinton, but the Bush tax cuts and wars sped up the timetable.) But the fact remains: the four people I named were primarily in charge of the Democratic Party during that time (whether as President, DNC Chair, or the Presidential nominee), and during that same time all the losses I outlined took place.

To be clear: I have no personal grudge against Hillary Clinton and wish her no harm. I despise, however, her positions (particularly on economic and foreign policy) and think that the evidence shows that when her ideology is in control of the Democratic Party, it hampers the Democrats and empowers the Republicans, and I think that her presence on the campaign trail will only serve to remind people of everything they hate about her and her ilk, however limited her campaigning.
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Society and History / Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by Lana Reverse on February 16, 2018, 03:02:21 pm »
I have to admit, I've gotten more sympathetic towards 2nd Amendment defenders after seeing the 1st come increasingly under fire. While I still wouldn't call myself "pro-gun", I'm definitely more willing to hear them out.

So, with that being said, I'd like to hear what else rookie might have to say.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Dappler on February 16, 2018, 02:34:42 pm »
This record of unparalleled, unmitigated failure lies solely at the feet of Barack Obama, .........[snip].........
There was this thing called the GFC.

And sure, while a hypercompetent black guy, who managed to stop the contagion, even if he did listen to Volcker and a bunch of others a little too much, and passing healthcare, and mid-term apathy from the incumbents, all played a role - FOX stirred the base into a rabid frenzy, so the question is, even with disenfranchisement, and Gerrymandering, and Russian bots, and Cambridge Analytica, is Trump going to be a bigger midterm albatross than a black guy was in 2010?

(Assuming of course that he lasts that long. Bannon just spent two days in front of Mueller, and it'd be great if he flipped him because Trump would want a full debrief on what he said, and Bannon could record the entire train wreck, because there's no way Trump would shut up and just listen.)
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 16, 2018, 01:06:18 pm »
She'll probably concentrate her attentions in areas that view her like a god.

Her plan is to focus on areas which she won overwhelmingly, whether people there actually like her or just despised Trump even more (at the time--remember, her approval rating is lower than his now).

The real reason for my annoyance at this story, though, is that we've seen, over the last eight or so years, just what happens when her wing of the Democratic Party is in control.

During the 111th Congress (the one elected in 2008), the Democrats controlled between 253 and 258 House seats, with the Republicans never holding more than 180. In the Senate, from July 7, 2009 (swearing-in of Al Franken) to February 3, 2010 (Scott Brown was sworn in on February 4), they controlled 58 seats which, with the two Independents (Sanders and Lieberman) gave them a filibuster-proof majority. Further, they controlled 29 state Governorships.

Compare this to the situation after the 2016 elections. The House--lost in 2010 and not recovered. The Senate--lost in 2014 and not recovered. The Presidency--lost, by none other than Sec. Clinton. An unexpected vacancy on the Supreme Court opened up, and with the loss of the Presidency and failure to reclaim the Senate that too was lost (and, what is worse, many seats on lower federal courts remained open, and they have been being filled at a record pace--filled by young ultra-conservative judges whose views are already outmoded in modern society and will only become more so as time goes on and they enjoy their lifetime appointments). Governorships? Only 16 after the 2016 elections, to become 15 not long thereafter when Jim Justice in West Virginia decided to switch back to the GOP (and then to become 16 again in 2017). In state legislatures, over 1,000 seats were lost in those eight years, and, crucially, many were lost in 2010 (along with a net six governorships), after which redistricting occurred, in many states then to the great advantage of the Republicans, resulting in such ludicrous outcomes as the Democrats winning 83,468 more votes in Pennsylvania House races in 2012 but only 5 of the state's 18 seats.

This record of unparalleled, unmitigated failure lies solely at the feet of Barack Obama, Tim Kaine, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and finally Hillary Clinton.
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Entertainment and Television / Re: Video Game Thread 2.0
« Last post by RavynousHunter on February 16, 2018, 10:43:47 am »
That's why I prefer ChromatiCraft.  It can be a bit more punishing in the early game (the pylons hurt a LOT, and there's only one way to stop the zaps), but at least you can rest assured that, if something goes wrong, its because you fucked up, and not the RNG.
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Entertainment and Television / Re: Video Game Thread 2.0
« Last post by Art Vandelay on February 16, 2018, 10:42:26 am »
Getting back into Minecraft. I have to say, while Thaumcraft has a lot of really cool features (especially with the expansions), it's so fucking tedious to do even the simplest of tasks, at least at first. I really really do not like infusion crafting. Basic items and intermediary components should not take ten minutes of set up, only for it to go horribly wrong based on nothing more than random chance.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by ironbite on February 16, 2018, 08:18:36 am »
She'll probably concentrate her attentions in areas that view her like a god.

Ironbite-so New York will probably be getting the Coming Out of the Woods tour exclusively.
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Entertainment and Television / Re: Video Game Thread 2.0
« Last post by Askold on February 16, 2018, 05:10:26 am »
Stellaris is fun as a multiplayer game. And in a week the game gets a massive update that changes FTL movement, star system control, borders and fleets. Also a DLC that brings Death-stars and other apocalyptic weapons.

It's gonna be fun and me and a few buddies plan to play it together.
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