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Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« on: July 10, 2013, 04:46:09 pm »
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There's a Ender's Game film coming out soon and there is talk of boycott because of his views on the gay thing. So he's admitting defeat and asking people to be nice so he doesn't lose out on the precious benjamins.

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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 04:52:57 pm »
Wasn't gonna see it in the first place. I've never read Ender's Game.

If I do, I'll probably pirate both of them. Because denying money to douchebags makes my berries tingle.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 05:09:48 pm »
ON THAT NOTE!  Here's the Nostalgia Chick on why she won't be boycotting this movie and why you shouldn't either.

http://chezapocalypse.com/why-i-wont-boycott-enders-game/

Ironbite-I found it very....agreeable.

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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 05:46:23 pm »
ON THAT NOTE!  Here's the Nostalgia Chick on why she won't be boycotting this movie and why you shouldn't either.

http://chezapocalypse.com/why-i-wont-boycott-enders-game/

Ironbite-I found it very....agreeable.

She raises good points.

I'll probably watch Ender's Game, because I loved the book even if I hate the author.

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Ender’s Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984.

Yes, I'm sure gay people just appeared out of thin air in the nineties. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_same-sex_marriage#1970s
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 06:10:36 pm »
I'm not boycotting the film, rather skipping it because:

  • I've never read that book, and I probably would be unable to without hating myself.
  • I had, however, seen the trailer for the film. It looks trashy. I mean there is an extravagant overuse of the blue and orange contrast, making the movie look worse.

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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 06:42:22 pm »
I'm gay and I won't boycott the movie, I'll just wait to watch it on Netflix. He's a decent writer, but a flawed person. So am I. Boycotting his books and movie won't affect the HRC, LAMBDA Legal, SPLC, the ACLU, etc. as far as the LGBTQ rights movement goes. It is a social attitude evolution thing, mostly occurring under it's own momentum now, and has been for quite a while. Maybe Card will evolve in his thinking someday before he passes on, which won't be terribly long from now. Not much point in riling up over an old man like that. And as Nostalgia Chick deftly pointed out, it will hurt innocent movie industry people, and I would add, makes pro human rights activists look like harpies and schills. Card is no friend to LGBTQs, but he is a far less virulent or dangerous enemy than the average mega church bigot shouting for our blood in hell from the pulpit.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2013, 07:00:59 pm »
I've never read Ender's Game, and thus I have absolutely no interest in the movie.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2013, 09:34:34 pm »
It seems interesting, but I'd probably...ehm, acquire it rather than watch it in a theatre.  Ender's Game itself was actually pretty good.  Everything AFTER, however, was pretty much garbage that read more like a long-winded Chick tract than anything resembling a half-decent narrative.

No, I'm -still- not over that page-and-a-half or so speech Ender's mom gave in Ender's Shadow about how babies are the only way to happiness.  Fuck you in the throat with a salted cactus, Mrs. Wiggin.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2013, 11:53:26 pm »
I've only read Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead. Everything I've heard about the rest of the series has made me less than enthusiastic to go on. Still, I'll probably get around to reading them eventually, because I have a strong dislike of leaving book series unfinished.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 01:24:40 am »
ON THAT NOTE!  Here's the Nostalgia Chick on why she won't be boycotting this movie and why you shouldn't either.

http://chezapocalypse.com/why-i-wont-boycott-enders-game/

Ironbite-I found it very....agreeable.

Yeah, she has a point. Or several.

If they make movies about his other books as well I wonder how much liberties they will take? I would assume that they will fade out or rewrite much of the offensive stuff simply because it wouldn't be a profitable movie if they offend most of the potential viewers.

And knowing that Hollywood movies sometimes have almost nothing to do with the original book/concept it's not out of their style and would be one of the better examples of reimagining a story for the movie adaptation.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2013, 03:37:59 pm »
The issue is often now that you know what an awful whitey he is his books lose their magic.  Like you learn how extreme a pro lifer he is and then go try to reread Shadow Puppets

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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2013, 02:36:35 pm »
I really like a lot of Card's books, not just the Ender series. I read a lot of his stuff before I found out about his politics, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying his work.

I love Ender's Game. Speaker for the Dead was pretty good, but not as good as EG. Xenocide was OK. I like how he portrayed the planet full of people with OCD, but the rest of the book was so-so. Children of the Mind was so bad that I have never been able to finish it, even after trying several times. Ender's Shadow wasn't very good, either. I think I managed to finish it, but won't read it again, or any of the books that follow it.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2013, 01:17:07 am »
John Seavey over at Mighty God King sumed up my thoughts for me.

http://mightygodking.com/2013/07/13/an-open-letter-to-orson-scott-card/

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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 04:33:46 pm »
John Seavey over at Mighty God King sumed up my thoughts for me.

http://mightygodking.com/2013/07/13/an-open-letter-to-orson-scott-card/

I generally agree, except that I do plan to see the movie. Because I don't recall Ender's Game promoting any beliefs I find problematic.
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Re: Orson Scott Card requests tolerance for his intolerance
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2013, 11:42:38 am »
I wont be paying money to see Enders game. Card makes money on the profits and he'll likely give some of that to groups that help make people like me dead.