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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #360 on: February 07, 2017, 08:23:11 pm »
It also implies that people are saying that punching Nazis will be free from legal consequences. No one has said that. Everyone who thinks it's morally fine to punch a nazi accept that doing so is illegal and should remain so.

Really? Care to enlighten me?
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #361 on: February 07, 2017, 08:38:24 pm »
No. I don't care to, nor is it possible. Try and find any piece(other than this satire) which says that punching people should be, or is, legal rather than simply morally justified.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #362 on: February 07, 2017, 08:49:57 pm »
No. I don't care to, nor is it possible. Try and find any piece(other than this satire) which says that punching people should be, or is, legal rather than simply morally justified.

BTW how is the new persona going? Is it difficult to maintain character?

You seem to have not noticed my bolding of your last sentence. And anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

BTW, ban-dodging is a serious accusation. I've been patient up to now, but I have my limits. Either put up, or shut up.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #363 on: February 07, 2017, 09:01:14 pm »
I noticed your bolding. But still, I neither care to nor am able to enlighten you. However I may be able to inform you, although I doubt it. But as I said go and find any piece that suggests it is, or even should be, legal.

I am yet to come across as single opinion that doesn't accept that it is illegal. The antifa activists themselves accept they will be breaking the law. Find a single article that says it should be legal. I've found one that says its morally right yet still illegal : http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2017/01/okay-punching-nazis/

Or this one:http://abovethelaw.com/2017/02/we-need-to-talk-about-punching-nazis/ - which says:

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If you punch someone, that’s assault, and you should be appropriately punished for it. If you riot and destroy property, you should be brought to justice. Your motivations can’t change the law. I’ve got no time for the person who wants to punch a white supremacist peaceably talking out of his ass in the street, and then not pay a fine or go to jail for it. Those people LACK the courage of their convictions. If punching another person is so important to you, then you should be willing to pay the price for it. Civil disobedience has consequences, and the truly courageous are willing to suffer those consequences.

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BTW, ban-dodging is a serious accusation. I've been patient up to now, but I have my limits. Either put up, or shut up.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #364 on: February 07, 2017, 09:20:25 pm »
I noticed your bolding. But still, I neither care to nor am able to enlighten you. However I may be able to inform you, although I doubt it. But as I said go and find any piece that suggests it is, or even should be, legal.

I am yet to come across as single opinion that doesn't accept that it is illegal. The antifa activists themselves accept they will be breaking the law. Find a single article that says it should be legal. I've found one that says its morally right yet still illegal : http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2017/01/okay-punching-nazis/

Or this one:http://abovethelaw.com/2017/02/we-need-to-talk-about-punching-nazis/ - which says:

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If you punch someone, that’s assault, and you should be appropriately punished for it. If you riot and destroy property, you should be brought to justice. Your motivations can’t change the law. I’ve got no time for the person who wants to punch a white supremacist peaceably talking out of his ass in the street, and then not pay a fine or go to jail for it. Those people LACK the courage of their convictions. If punching another person is so important to you, then you should be willing to pay the price for it. Civil disobedience has consequences, and the truly courageous are willing to suffer those consequences.

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BTW, ban-dodging is a serious accusation. I've been patient up to now, but I have my limits. Either put up, or shut up.

What are your limits? Mine are scat and blood.

Thus far, I haven't found any that outright say it is (or should be) legal. What I'm disputing is the sentence I bolded.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #365 on: February 07, 2017, 09:44:17 pm »
Do you take issue with my use of 'everyone' and 'thinks'? Do you really think I was suggesting I know what 'everyone' 'thinks'?

Or is it simply a pissing contest? Do you want me to say - 'every article I have read which posits it is morally justified to punch a nazi, does not dispute the legal norm that it is illegal to punch anyone, whether identifying as a member of the National Socialist party or not'.

Either way my point is still a valid criticism of what was a fairly weaksauce satire, which proceeded on the premise that people were suggesting that punching Nazis was now legal (as opposed to simply morally justified).

BTW what happens if we reach the limits of your patience?

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #366 on: February 07, 2017, 09:55:50 pm »

Mao kept exporting food knowing full well his people were starving. And there's some evidence suggesting that he deliberately caused the famine.

As mentioned in the post, specific groups. The Nazis didn't just kill people, they went after and genocided specific groups. This is the difference. Really, the actual number is irrelevant.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #367 on: February 07, 2017, 10:03:25 pm »
Do you take issue with my use of 'everyone' and 'thinks'? Do you really think I was suggesting I know what 'everyone' 'thinks'?

Or is it simply a pissing contest? Do you want me to say - 'every article I have read which posits it is morally justified to punch a nazi, does not dispute the legal norm that it is illegal to punch anyone, whether identifying as a member of the National Socialist party or not'.

Either way my point is still a valid criticism of what was a fairly weaksauce satire, which proceeded on the premise that people were suggesting that punching Nazis was now legal (as opposed to simply morally justified).

BTW what happens if we reach the limits of your patience?

Nothing so finicky as that. My problem was that there were a lot of "punch a Nazi" types who had no such disclaimers.


Mao kept exporting food knowing full well his people were starving. And there's some evidence suggesting that he deliberately caused the famine.

As mentioned in the post, specific groups. The Nazis didn't just kill people, they went after and genocided specific groups. This is the difference. Really, the actual number is irrelevant.

Alright, now I see where you're coming from. Objection withdrawn.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #368 on: February 07, 2017, 10:05:52 pm »
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #369 on: February 07, 2017, 10:22:45 pm »
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

I'll see if I can.

EDIT: Found one.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #370 on: February 08, 2017, 12:42:05 am »
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

I'll see if I can.

EDIT: Found one.
What does finding one single individual who thinks that the police shouldn't arrest Nazi punchers but should punch Nazis achieve?

OK-we have a single point of belief that thinks that Nazi-pummeling shouldn't be police business. Maybe you'll be able to find two or three, heck in the crawling chaos of the interwebz you'll be able to find positive opinions for just about anything.

I guess if you just wanted to make the rather pedantic point that those in favor of the legalisation of Nazi-pummeling exist well, bully for you. There is a rather large difference between this extreme minority position and the position of those who think it is moral but that it should not be legal however.

Also Lana, I'm guessing you are American but, in making the argument that all socialists=MaoPolPotStalin, the "satire" you were referring to implies that every person who has chosen that label including 59 odd parties around the world who still use the label "socialist" in their name are Maoist Stalinists in favor of the worst excesses of Stalin or Mao. That should be news to most of them.

In contrast Milo loves him some Hitler and while Spencer claims not to be a Nazi he sure does love him some Nazi salutes and politics that are indistinguishable from the Nazis.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #371 on: February 08, 2017, 12:47:01 am »
No but nor did any of them say it was, or even should be, legal. None that I have read. As I said find one that does.

I'll see if I can.

EDIT: Found one.

Not exactly a thought out position or article. Random 'professor' at protest screaming abuse at cops.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #372 on: February 08, 2017, 01:51:54 am »
Tol, Spencer specifically refuses to denounce KKK or Hitler. When given the chance he can't go as far as to say that lynching people is bad or that the Holocaust was anything special. He just seems annoyed and "refuses to play that game."

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« Reply #373 on: February 08, 2017, 02:24:41 am »
Pretty much what my link said.

I wasn't actually giving credence to Mr "peaceful ethnic cleansing's" claims to non-Naziness.

Of course the particularly pedantic among us could always use Conty's definition of Nazi as only including the original members of the Depression and WWII era NDSAP.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #374 on: February 10, 2017, 07:37:19 am »
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