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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2015, 11:23:34 am »
Apologies, should've added a sarcasm tag or something, as I was mostly taking the piss.  Still, there's such a thing as being too cautious, and I think France has kinda danced right across it.
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2015, 01:53:11 pm »
You can't just ban headscarves and then turn around and allow other things and be considered anything other than a bigoted laughingstock.

You can ban face-concealing headwear for entirely secular reasons. This is the usual interpretation for banning them in schools.
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2015, 02:02:11 pm »
You can't just ban headscarves and then turn around and allow other things and be considered anything other than a bigoted laughingstock.

You can ban face-concealing headwear for entirely secular reasons. This is the usual interpretation for banning them in schools.

Except, the item in question doesn't conceal the face, only the hair.

I can understand banning niqab, but banning hijab is unreasonable.

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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2015, 03:39:20 pm »
Pigggggggxactly.  Unlike the typical American dumbass, I differentiate between your normal headscarves and stuff like a niqab.
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2015, 05:35:23 pm »
May I ask what the problem is with me wearing a kippa in public (which I do)?
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2015, 05:58:14 pm »
May I ask what the problem is with me wearing a kippa in public (which I do)?

it's a religious symbol, and in a country that prides itself on its non-religiosity it can be seen as a mark of disrespect. nothing more. i don't go around shoving my atheism down people's throats (hell, aside from my views on religious garb, i think i'm pretty open-minded on different faiths), so i don't want anyone's views forced unto me. most french think like that, and some can be weirded out by seeing a kippa because it's just so uncommon...

although due to the holocaust happening, jews are pretty much exempt from repercussions. france has major survivor's guilt about world war two, and because jews are seen perhaps underservedly as the martyrs of the war, they are mostly free do go on about their business as they please. unlike muslims who are today's buttmonkeys.

nothing goes hand in hand like xenophobia and anti-religious sentiment. but it's ok, because the french only hate people that are different than them.

*goes raging*

eta: were i living in another country, i would have no problem seeing religious garb in public (like when i lived in the usa). however, secular law trumps spiritual law, and france's laws are pretty open and shut about this topic.
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2015, 07:21:24 pm »
Religious garb is often meant as a personal preference, rather than an attempt to showcase your religion to the public. The "I don't want anyone's views forced on me" line of logic can be applied to plenty of other topics, as well, from politics to fashion.
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2015, 08:13:52 pm »
I must say, France sounds like my kind of place. Well, almost. Slap a nice, big demerit tax on all religious institutions and then it'll be perfect.

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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2015, 08:14:26 pm »
Religious garb is often meant as a personal preference, rather than an attempt to showcase your religion to the public. The "I don't want anyone's views forced on me" line of logic can be applied to plenty of other topics, as well, from politics to fashion.

if there's one thing i hate, it's student syndicalists spewing political views. i may have a problem with prozelytes in general.
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2015, 08:30:52 pm »
May I ask what the problem is with me wearing a kippa in public (which I do)?

it's a religious symbol, and in a country that prides itself on its non-religiosity it can be seen as a mark of disrespect. nothing more. i don't go around shoving my atheism down people's throats (hell, aside from my views on religious garb, i think i'm pretty open-minded on different faiths), so i don't want anyone's views forced unto me. most french think like that, and some can be weirded out by seeing a kippa because it's just so uncommon...

although due to the holocaust happening, jews are pretty much exempt from repercussions. france has major survivor's guilt about world war two, and because jews are seen perhaps underservedly as the martyrs of the war, they are mostly free do go on about their business as they please. unlike muslims who are today's buttmonkeys.

nothing goes hand in hand like xenophobia and anti-religious sentiment. but it's ok, because the french only hate people that are different than them.

*goes raging*

eta: were i living in another country, i would have no problem seeing religious garb in public (like when i lived in the usa). however, secular law trumps spiritual law, and france's laws are pretty open and shut about this topic.

So, wait, the french actually see wearing religious garb as forcing a point of view down someone's throat? I sincerely hope no one wears a shirt or anything for a brand or anything like that or else my head will explode.

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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2015, 08:54:46 pm »
May I ask what the problem is with me wearing a kippa in public (which I do)?

it's a religious symbol, and in a country that prides itself on its non-religiosity it can be seen as a mark of disrespect. nothing more. i don't go around shoving my atheism down people's throats (hell, aside from my views on religious garb, i think i'm pretty open-minded on different faiths), so i don't want anyone's views forced unto me. most french think like that, and some can be weirded out by seeing a kippa because it's just so uncommon...

although due to the holocaust happening, jews are pretty much exempt from repercussions. france has major survivor's guilt about world war two, and because jews are seen perhaps underservedly as the martyrs of the war, they are mostly free do go on about their business as they please. unlike muslims who are today's buttmonkeys.

nothing goes hand in hand like xenophobia and anti-religious sentiment. but it's ok, because the french only hate people that are different than them.

*goes raging*

eta: were i living in another country, i would have no problem seeing religious garb in public (like when i lived in the usa). however, secular law trumps spiritual law, and france's laws are pretty open and shut about this topic.

So, wait, the french actually see wearing religious garb as forcing a point of view down someone's throat? I sincerely hope no one wears a shirt or anything for a brand or anything like that or else my head will explode.

yup, some things are more easily forced onto others. brands act as status symbols (as everywhere), so whenever somebody's sporting the latest *insert fashionable brand here*, they're saying "i'm richer than you, peasant". real high quality goods don't have a visible logo anymore because of the plebe's tendency to buy the flashiest symbols. but let's be honest, there wouldn't be a difference in the status quo if there had been massacres in the name of adidas instead of religion. adidas would be banned too. just look at nazi regalia. yes, i went there.
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2015, 09:06:51 pm »
May I ask what the problem is with me wearing a kippa in public (which I do)?

it's a religious symbol, and in a country that prides itself on its non-religiosity it can be seen as a mark of disrespect. nothing more. i don't go around shoving my atheism down people's throats (hell, aside from my views on religious garb, i think i'm pretty open-minded on different faiths), so i don't want anyone's views forced unto me. most french think like that, and some can be weirded out by seeing a kippa because it's just so uncommon...

although due to the holocaust happening, jews are pretty much exempt from repercussions. france has major survivor's guilt about world war two, and because jews are seen perhaps underservedly as the martyrs of the war, they are mostly free do go on about their business as they please. unlike muslims who are today's buttmonkeys.

nothing goes hand in hand like xenophobia and anti-religious sentiment. but it's ok, because the french only hate people that are different than them.

*goes raging*

eta: were i living in another country, i would have no problem seeing religious garb in public (like when i lived in the usa). however, secular law trumps spiritual law, and france's laws are pretty open and shut about this topic.

So, wait, the french actually see wearing religious garb as forcing a point of view down someone's throat? I sincerely hope no one wears a shirt or anything for a brand or anything like that or else my head will explode.

yup, some things are more easily forced onto others. brands act as status symbols (as everywhere), so whenever somebody's sporting the latest *insert fashionable brand here*, they're saying "i'm richer than you, peasant". real high quality goods don't have a visible logo anymore because of the plebe's tendency to buy the flashiest symbols. but let's be honest, there wouldn't be a difference in the status quo if there had been massacres in the name of adidas instead of religion. adidas would be banned too. just look at nazi regalia. yes, i went there.

Wow, y'all motherfuckers got some thin assed skin.

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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2015, 09:11:31 pm »
May I ask what the problem is with me wearing a kippa in public (which I do)?

it's a religious symbol, and in a country that prides itself on its non-religiosity it can be seen as a mark of disrespect. nothing more. i don't go around shoving my atheism down people's throats (hell, aside from my views on religious garb, i think i'm pretty open-minded on different faiths), so i don't want anyone's views forced unto me. most french think like that, and some can be weirded out by seeing a kippa because it's just so uncommon...

although due to the holocaust happening, jews are pretty much exempt from repercussions. france has major survivor's guilt about world war two, and because jews are seen perhaps underservedly as the martyrs of the war, they are mostly free do go on about their business as they please. unlike muslims who are today's buttmonkeys.

nothing goes hand in hand like xenophobia and anti-religious sentiment. but it's ok, because the french only hate people that are different than them.

*goes raging*

eta: were i living in another country, i would have no problem seeing religious garb in public (like when i lived in the usa). however, secular law trumps spiritual law, and france's laws are pretty open and shut about this topic.

So, wait, the french actually see wearing religious garb as forcing a point of view down someone's throat? I sincerely hope no one wears a shirt or anything for a brand or anything like that or else my head will explode.

yup, some things are more easily forced onto others. brands act as status symbols (as everywhere), so whenever somebody's sporting the latest *insert fashionable brand here*, they're saying "i'm richer than you, peasant". real high quality goods don't have a visible logo anymore because of the plebe's tendency to buy the flashiest symbols. but let's be honest, there wouldn't be a difference in the status quo if there had been massacres in the name of adidas instead of religion. adidas would be banned too. just look at nazi regalia. yes, i went there.

Wow, y'all motherfuckers got some thin assed skin.

Well, what do you expect from a country with an irrational hatred of loanwords?

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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2015, 09:27:39 pm »
May I ask what the problem is with me wearing a kippa in public (which I do)?

it's a religious symbol, and in a country that prides itself on its non-religiosity it can be seen as a mark of disrespect. nothing more. i don't go around shoving my atheism down people's throats (hell, aside from my views on religious garb, i think i'm pretty open-minded on different faiths), so i don't want anyone's views forced unto me. most french think like that, and some can be weirded out by seeing a kippa because it's just so uncommon...

although due to the holocaust happening, jews are pretty much exempt from repercussions. france has major survivor's guilt about world war two, and because jews are seen perhaps underservedly as the martyrs of the war, they are mostly free do go on about their business as they please. unlike muslims who are today's buttmonkeys.

nothing goes hand in hand like xenophobia and anti-religious sentiment. but it's ok, because the french only hate people that are different than them.

*goes raging*

eta: were i living in another country, i would have no problem seeing religious garb in public (like when i lived in the usa). however, secular law trumps spiritual law, and france's laws are pretty open and shut about this topic.

So, wait, the french actually see wearing religious garb as forcing a point of view down someone's throat? I sincerely hope no one wears a shirt or anything for a brand or anything like that or else my head will explode.

yup, some things are more easily forced onto others. brands act as status symbols (as everywhere), so whenever somebody's sporting the latest *insert fashionable brand here*, they're saying "i'm richer than you, peasant". real high quality goods don't have a visible logo anymore because of the plebe's tendency to buy the flashiest symbols. but let's be honest, there wouldn't be a difference in the status quo if there had been massacres in the name of adidas instead of religion. adidas would be banned too. just look at nazi regalia. yes, i went there.

Wow, y'all motherfuckers got some thin assed skin.

Well, what do you expect from a country with an irrational hatred of loanwords?

and plagiarism, and the british, and the italian, and the spanish, and the romanians, and the arabs, and everything not french, and waxy cheese, and american wine, and anglo-saxon music, and vegans, and fascists, and communists, and monarchists, and anarchists, and commonlaw, and uncommonlaw, and....
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Re: French teenager's skirt too long for school
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2015, 09:45:13 pm »
Actually, all of guiszonde's posts here, and in other threads, have simply re-enforced my exceedingly high opinion of him as a forum member. He has an immensely valuable point of view to share with all of us, unique in having been raised in France - a very fine country, as first world nations go, of late. And he has not only survived living in the US, but has completed his education here, and in that time span, has kept his sanity. This is no small accomplishment. I have described the US to even Australian nationals as fucking well being a virtual Mars - another planet. Having McDonalds in your home land does not adequately prepare you for just how fucking idiotically schizo this place really is. Guizonde has kept his identity intact after all that as a modern French man, and possesses the inherent wisdom and talent to be able to see through all the shit and yet glean the best of both very divergent world views for our collective forum-member edification.

tldr: guizonde is the shit, and he's very patiently and politely explaining difficult, French, out-of-US-cultural-paradigm CONCEPTS that just fucking press our buttons, through no fault of his own. Yet, over all, France is the more Democratic country of the two, faults included. How do we scream about anti-hijab laws, when Baltimore burns for home-grown, even more fucked up reasons?
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