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Title: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: DiscoBerry on July 16, 2013, 05:59:06 pm
Visa and McDs have created a website to show workers how to budget.  And the peasants rejoice.   

(http://i.imgur.com/xPktZDO.png)

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/ (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/)
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 16, 2013, 06:50:48 pm
Here's a quick copy/paste of a comment and the replies to it. The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election.


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Alexander Taylor · Drum Teacher at Palen Music Center
This is the biggest problem facing us, our generation. The Federal Reserve, banks, and a fascist government/corporations are all to blame for this. It would be one thing if it had to be this way, but it doesn't. Just remember, the next time you start polishing up words like "repubtard" or "libtard" or whatever other useless words you'd like to use when discussing this, keep in mind that not a soul in either party has lifted a finger to solve this problem for anyone but the groups they're owned by.
Reply · 194 ·  · 18 hours ago

Rustin Sparks · Norman, Oklahoma
Well-put. I've never understood the venom toward one party by those of the other party. "You think differently than I do - You're clearly insane and I'll proceed to hate you, now."

Ugh.
Reply · 62 ·  · 11 hours ago

Christopher Engleby · Penn State
no the biggest problem facing our generation today is the refusal to admit its your own fault and get out their and change it.. start your own business .. for some reason we think we should be entertained and party 24/7 and still be paid like the people out their creating jobs and opportunities. sad
Reply · 127 ·  · 10 hours ago

Bobby Salvin ·  Top Commenter · Works at Philadelphia Debt Clinic and Consumer Law Center
They could do more, but the only party with anyone in it who wants to help this low wage worker is the Democratic party. People in the Republican party, for instance, have been against every increase in the minimum wage. I don't think the federal reserve, fascists, or even banks are to blame. The most helpful thing would be for fast food workers to unionize, so the employees could have bargaining power. We do need reforms to make it easier for employees to unionize. Republicans are the main opposition to unionization, not Democrats.
Reply · 55 ·  · 10 hours ago

The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election. Really dude? Just start a business? Do you know how hard that actually is? Do you know how many small businesses I see come and go rather quickly?

This reminds me of a guy I know who is my age and is a hard core right-winger. Me and some other guys went by his house to pick him up on the way go have a goodbye party for another friend leaving to join the army. I saw his house and my friend made note of how big and nice it was and how it was in a brand new, high end neighborhood. His parents had to be pretty rich. I wonder if shit like that distorts these people's view of the world.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Clochette on July 16, 2013, 06:56:13 pm
My favorite part is that McDonald's seems to suggest that you have a second job, but according to one of the comments, the employment contract for McDonald's prohibits you from working at any other fast food restaurant.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: SpaceProg on July 16, 2013, 07:02:53 pm
In my opinion, a single person with no children shouldn't HAVE to work a 2nd job to make a livable wage.  No matter what their job is.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Sleepy on July 16, 2013, 08:01:33 pm
Health insurance costing $20 a month? Are they high?

Also, fuck food. We don't need that.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: TheUnknown on July 16, 2013, 08:02:13 pm
Here's a quick copy/paste of a comment and the replies to it. The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election.


(click to show/hide)

The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election. Really dude? Just start a business? Do you know how hard that actually is? Do you know how many small businesses I see come and go rather quickly?

This reminds me of a guy I know who is my age and is a hard core right-winger. Me and some other guys went by his house to pick him up on the way go have a goodbye party for another friend leaving to join the army. I saw his house and my friend made note of how big and nice it was and how it was in a brand new, high end neighborhood. His parents had to be pretty rich. I wonder if shit like that distorts these people's view of the world.


This reminds me of a comment on some article I read (about student loan debt, I think) where some guy talked about how he didn't sit around and complain, he went out and worked three jobs because he knew the importance of hard work, and kids today are stupid and lazy for wanting to find "desk work," and that they just need to buck up and work three jobs just like he did, and that's just how it is.  Because how dare students want to find work in comfortable jobs after going to college, how dare students want to find the jobs they went to school for, how dare people not accept that if you can't pay off student loans already working two jobs, you just have to shut up and work three, otherwise you're lazy for "not doing what you have to."  Because how dare people believe that they shouldn't have to live in a society where you have to work three damn jobs in order to get by and pay off student loans, and how dare they not want to spend every waking hour working and not think that they should have to.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: davedan on July 16, 2013, 08:06:36 pm
Health insurance costing $20 a month? Are they high?

Also, fuck food. We don't need that.

I think they are tacitly admitting that you should steal all your food from them when you are working.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Sleepy on July 16, 2013, 08:26:02 pm
I guess your health insurance costs will skyrocket to $50 after you have a stroke from their food.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 08:51:10 pm
Are we sure nobody hacked them? This seems insane.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 16, 2013, 08:55:15 pm
Hacked... what? Visa? McDonald's? The new site?

Of course it's insane. And insulting to boot.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:00:45 pm
Hacked... what? Visa? McDonald's? The new site?

Of course it's insane. And insulting to boot.
Wherever Visa and McDonalds have posted it.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: SpaceProg on July 16, 2013, 09:08:51 pm
Welcome to America... where instead of working to live, you live to work. 
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:19:29 pm
Welcome to America... where instead of working to live, you live to work.
Is it any wonder people turn to crime? What's the point of suffering daily when you can put that on someone else and no longer suffer?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Stormwarden on July 16, 2013, 09:26:44 pm
Welcome to the new slavery...economic slavery. I prefer to call this the new Gilded Age myself.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Damen on July 16, 2013, 09:29:21 pm
Welcome to the new slavery...economic slavery. I prefer to call this the new Gilded Age myself.

There's already a term for what's happening here: Wage Slavery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery).
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on July 16, 2013, 09:55:40 pm
To follow McDonald's plan, you have to work two jobs and work 70+ hours every week. That's 10 hours every week without a single day off. What's the point of being alive?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: ironbite on July 16, 2013, 09:56:56 pm
They don't care.

Ironbite-because if you're alive, you need to be slaving away for them.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 16, 2013, 10:19:45 pm
Between seeing this and seeing the a girl working at Subway entirely by herself (no managers present at all, or other coworkers) in the midst of a supper rush...

I think reality is telling me "Well congratulations lame-o, all roads lead to 'screwed with a rusty spiked dildo'.  I hope you enjoy your tetanus."
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: nickiknack on July 16, 2013, 10:29:45 pm
Not to mention some of these places  pay with pre-paid debit cards with fees for withdrawing money (http://consumerist.com/2013/06/17/ex-mcdonalds-employee-sues-because-she-doesnt-want-her-paycheck-on-a-prepaid-debit-card/)
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 16, 2013, 10:30:31 pm
That's fucked up.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 10:33:08 pm
Not to mention some of these places  pay with pre-paid debit cards with fees for withdrawing money (http://consumerist.com/2013/06/17/ex-mcdonalds-employee-sues-because-she-doesnt-want-her-paycheck-on-a-prepaid-debit-card/)

This is legal?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: ironbite on July 16, 2013, 10:33:18 pm
It's the path that leads to the company store.  Where you aren't actually paid money, but company script that only the company store will take.

Ironbite-and the quality is...suspect.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 16, 2013, 10:36:41 pm
A guy I knew told me that a local chain of taco places did that. It sounds stupid as all hell.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 10:43:16 pm
Christ. I make significantly more than what she was making, and I sure as hell couldn't afford to spend that much on "service fees".
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on July 16, 2013, 11:16:31 pm
My first place of employment - Steak n Shake - did that. You also couldn't draw out more than $200 a day.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Lithp on July 16, 2013, 11:22:28 pm
Quote
I think reality is telling me "Well congratulations lame-o, all roads lead to 'screwed with a rusty spiked dildo'.  I hope you enjoy your tetanus."

Yeah, I'm starting to feel that, too.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 11:24:39 pm
Canada really needs to start taking in American refugees.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: mellenORL on July 16, 2013, 11:31:30 pm
The daughter and son-in-law of one of my late mom's best friends own 6 Taco Hells. They are fucking multimillionaires.
To her credit, my mom's old friend is embarrassed by how they make their money, and they avoid discussing it to prevent fights. Mom's friend is also wealthy...but she got that way by running a canoe and kayaking concession. No exploitation.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 16, 2013, 11:44:33 pm
Canada really needs to start taking in American refugees.

Sadly a lot of us can't afford to move, even if Canada didn't set a financial bar for immigrants in the first place.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 16, 2013, 11:51:20 pm
"Yeah, smelly liberals. If you don't like service workers being paid starvation wages, you should just employ all fifty million of them as advertising vice-presidents. Nyeh."
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on July 17, 2013, 01:07:15 am
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Canada really needs to start taking in American refugees.

This would be a dream come true.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: dpareja on July 17, 2013, 01:16:41 am
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Canada really needs to start taking in American refugees.

This would be a dream come true.

With regard to this sort of stuff, we're hardly better.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 01:38:42 am
It's the path that leads to the company store.  Where you aren't actually paid money, but company script that only the company store will take.

Ironbite-and the quality is...suspect.
Well, it's stuck in my head now, so here you all go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfp2O9ADwGk
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Sleepy on July 17, 2013, 07:12:22 am
I thought employers were supposed to offer multiple options when it came to payment. Something beyond the debit card. Someone raised hell about McDonald's only giving her cards not too long ago, and they supposedly corrected the issue.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: tempus on July 17, 2013, 07:22:21 am
Not to mention some of these places  pay with pre-paid debit cards with fees for withdrawing money (http://consumerist.com/2013/06/17/ex-mcdonalds-employee-sues-because-she-doesnt-want-her-paycheck-on-a-prepaid-debit-card/)

This is legal?

It is now.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Katsuro on July 17, 2013, 07:51:05 am
It looks like America needs a MASSIVE overhaul of her employment laws.  Some of the shit I read about US employers being legally allowed to do are rediculous, and so very very illegal in the EU.  We even have restrictions on how many hours you can work in a week.  You can actually work over that if you want, but you have to sign waver forms and most employers now are very reluctant to let you work over those hours.  Some will even straight up refuse to let you work that many hours, if you ask they'll just be like, "Nope!"
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Distind on July 17, 2013, 08:09:22 am
Not to mention some of these places  pay with pre-paid debit cards with fees for withdrawing money (http://consumerist.com/2013/06/17/ex-mcdonalds-employee-sues-because-she-doesnt-want-her-paycheck-on-a-prepaid-debit-card/)

This is legal?

It is now.
May not be for long, at least one lawsuit is being filed against such things as they're a massively unfair and exploitative practice.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: DiscoBerry on July 17, 2013, 08:47:11 am
Here's a quick copy/paste of a comment and the replies to it. The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election.


Quote

Christopher Engleby · Penn State
no the biggest problem facing our generation today is the refusal to admit its your own fault and get out their and change it.. start your own business .. for some reason we think we should be entertained and party 24/7 and still be paid like the people out their creating jobs and opportunities. sad
Reply · 127 ·  · 10 hours ago


The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election. Really dude? Just start a business? Do you know how hard that actually is? Do you know how many small businesses I see come and go rather quickly?

This reminds me of a guy I know who is my age and is a hard core right-winger. Me and some other guys went by his house to pick him up on the way go have a goodbye party for another friend leaving to join the army. I saw his house and my friend made note of how big and nice it was and how it was in a brand new, high end neighborhood. His parents had to be pretty rich. I wonder if shit like that distorts these people's view of the world.

Yes it distorts, a lot.  Start your own business, go back to school, get a 2nd job are standard responses from well-off people who have a bit of a disconnect from reality.  They don't realize that being born into a higher social class creates opportunity, and connections.  Maybe a lot easier for a guy like that to just say, "Hey, I hate my fucking job, I'll call so-and-so and talk about that business we always wanted to start."     
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: DiscoBerry on July 17, 2013, 08:49:14 am
Health insurance costing $20 a month? Are they high?

Also, fuck food. We don't need that.

McDonald's employee insurance that covers a single doctor visit a year and 1000 dollars worth of emergent care is 20 a month.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: booley on July 17, 2013, 11:06:03 am
Visa and McDs have created a website to show workers how to budget.  And the peasants rejoice.   

(http://i.imgur.com/xPktZDO.png)

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/ (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/)

Ok NO money for heating?  How does that work?

only 90 for electricity?  Even if you get budget billing that's going to be at least over 100 and if you use electricity instead of gas, then more so.

150 for a car?  And how much for the repairs you will constantly need because you bought a shitty automobile?

And where's the money for food?  Did I miss it?

However, you can find an apartment for 600. I use to have one for 500.  Of course I lived in St. Louis with an unusually low cost of living and it was filled with bed begs and a drunk neighbor who would make my ceiling shake (from BELOW my apartment).  And how does this budget account for the down payment (that's 1200 one has to come up with immediately.)

Yeah there's certainly a disconnect here.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Her3tiK on July 17, 2013, 11:16:50 am
Here's a quick copy/paste of a comment and the replies to it. The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election.


Quote

Christopher Engleby · Penn State
no the biggest problem facing our generation today is the refusal to admit its your own fault and get out their and change it.. start your own business .. for some reason we think we should be entertained and party 24/7 and still be paid like the people out their creating jobs and opportunities. sad
Reply · 127 ·  · 10 hours ago


The third one is reminiscent of Romney's comment back during the election. Really dude? Just start a business? Do you know how hard that actually is? Do you know how many small businesses I see come and go rather quickly?

This reminds me of a guy I know who is my age and is a hard core right-winger. Me and some other guys went by his house to pick him up on the way go have a goodbye party for another friend leaving to join the army. I saw his house and my friend made note of how big and nice it was and how it was in a brand new, high end neighborhood. His parents had to be pretty rich. I wonder if shit like that distorts these people's view of the world.

Yes it distorts, a lot.  Start your own business, go back to school, get a 2nd job are standard responses from well-off people who have a bit of a disconnect from reality.  They don't realize that being born into a higher social class creates opportunity, and connections.  Maybe a lot easier for a guy like that to just say, "Hey, I hate my fucking job, I'll call so-and-so and talk about that business we always wanted to start."   
I'm just going to leave this here, then. (http://www.upworthy.com/take-two-normal-people-add-money-to-just-one-of-them-and-watch-what-happens-next)
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 17, 2013, 11:17:40 am
Visa and McDs have created a website to show workers how to budget.  And the peasants rejoice.   

(http://i.imgur.com/xPktZDO.png)

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/ (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/)

Ok NO money for heating?  How does that work?

only 90 for electricity?  Even if you get budget billing that's going to be at least over 100 and if you use electricity instead of gas, then more so.

150 for a car?  And how much for the repairs you will constantly need because you bought a shitty automobile?

And where's the money for food?  Did I miss it?

However, you can find an apartment for 600. I use to have one for 500.  Of course I lived in St. Louis with an unusually low cost of living and it was filled with bed begs and a drunk neighbor who would make my ceiling shake (from BELOW my apartment).  And how does this budget account for the down payment (that's 1200 one has to come up with immediately.)

Yeah there's certainly a disconnect here.

I think food is under 'other'.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Her3tiK on July 17, 2013, 11:19:12 am
Visa and McDs have created a website to show workers how to budget.  And the peasants rejoice.   

(http://i.imgur.com/xPktZDO.png)

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/ (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/)

Ok NO money for heating?  How does that work?

only 90 for electricity?  Even if you get budget billing that's going to be at least over 100 and if you use electricity instead of gas, then more so.

150 for a car?  And how much for the repairs you will constantly need because you bought a shitty automobile?

And where's the money for food?  Did I miss it?

However, you can find an apartment for 600. I use to have one for 500.  Of course I lived in St. Louis with an unusually low cost of living and it was filled with bed begs and a drunk neighbor who would make my ceiling shake (from BELOW my apartment).  And how does this budget account for the down payment (that's 1200 one has to come up with immediately.)

Yeah there's certainly a disconnect here.

I think food is under 'other'.
I assumed 'spending money'. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think I could get by on $100/mo as a food budget. Not well, at least. Though threads I've seen on this elsewhere suggest that Mickey D's assumes all their employs are on food stamps so fuck it.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: booley on July 17, 2013, 11:24:19 am


Ok NO money for heating?  How does that work?

...

I think food is under 'other'.

So 100 bucks a month for Food.. and clothes.. and gas.. and shit that just pops up every so often?!
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 17, 2013, 11:35:16 am
Let's see. No food budget (pretty self explanatory). No fuel budget despite both car insurance and car payments. As for existing car related expenses, $150 car loan payments and $100 covering both car and home insurance is fucking retarded. If a car that cheap will have rather hefty insurance premiums, especially so if the owner is under 25. You can either have a cheap car or cheap car insurance, you can't have both. Explicitly $0 on heating, well, I hope you live in Texas or Florida. I guess if you're Alaskan, you're as good as bankrupt. $600 a month will barely cover the most shitty apartment you can rent, and won't be nearly enough to cover any mortgage. Granted, you could if you have a working partner or at least one room mate it's feasible. However, if you're working to support your family, I guess you're royally fucked.

Yeah, that budget is bullshit, and the $900 of other + spending money wouldn't even come close to covering the discrepancies. It was an admirable effort from the folks at Visa and McDonalds, however, it's still quite clear that the minimum wage in America is in fact in dire need of a raise.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: worlder on July 17, 2013, 11:51:33 am
If one doesn't have a car and either bikes or uses public transportation, I suppose that some money could be freed up for food and such.

Same thing goes if one doesn't use cable.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: rageaholic on July 17, 2013, 12:06:06 pm
This is what I have to look forward to when I finally do get a job?

America the beautiful my ass. 
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Her3tiK on July 17, 2013, 12:21:58 pm
This is what I have to look forward to when I finally do get a job?

America the beautiful my ass.
Good luck even finding a job.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 17, 2013, 02:14:55 pm
Good luck even being hired by McDonald's.

Seriously it took me several tries and months of waiting for ONE McDonald's to contact me for an interview last time.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 17, 2013, 04:07:09 pm
Luckily I live in an area where there are always openings being made in the job market for "unorthodox chemists". I also already know a few higher up "product distributors" in the field of "unorthodox medicine".

Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 05:36:00 pm
Luckily I live in an area where there are always openings being made in the job market for "unorthodox chemists". I also already know a few higher up "product distributors" in the field of "unorthodox medicine".
Sounds like a dangerous meth-head of making money. /shotforpuncrimes
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: SpaceProg on July 17, 2013, 05:44:25 pm
Beat me to it.  :p
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Clochette on July 17, 2013, 06:03:03 pm
This is life in the richest country in the world.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Distind on July 17, 2013, 06:06:32 pm
Luckily I live in an area where there are always openings being made in the job market for "unorthodox chemists". I also already know a few higher up "product distributors" in the field of "unorthodox medicine".
And this is how we know MadCat is really the scary one. All the ones around him are stupid, he knows it and he's making plans.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 17, 2013, 07:27:23 pm
The question is, is he scary for evil, or is he scary for great justice?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: rageaholic on July 17, 2013, 07:37:35 pm
This is what I have to look forward to when I finally do get a job?

America the beautiful my ass.
Good luck even finding a job.

I've had none.   :(
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 17, 2013, 08:11:56 pm
The question is, is he scary for evil, or is he scary for great justice?

How 'bout this hypothetical. I find a way to make really good meth. It becomes the most desirable meth in the area. Then I lace it with something I get from Hof, and literally kill the market for meth in the area. This would drive away the meth dealers and a large part of the crime problem.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Radiation on July 17, 2013, 08:53:39 pm
*Looks at McD's suggested budget*

*blinks*

AHAHAHAhahaha!

I get more money than the employees and I have a hard time making ends meet myself...and I'm on fucking disability, which is NOT a lot.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 12:15:47 am
The question is, is he scary for evil, or is he scary for great justice?

How 'bout this hypothetical. I find a way to make really good meth. It becomes the most desirable meth in the area. Then I lace it with something I get from Hof, and literally kill the market for meth in the area. This would drive away the meth dealers and a large part of the crime problem.
Scary for evil it is.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: m52nickerson on July 18, 2013, 12:29:31 am
Yeah there's certainly a disconnect here.

It is just the example of how to fill out the budget, obviously not a real life example, but still just an example.

Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: ironbite on July 18, 2013, 12:31:48 am
HAH!

Ironbite-you make me laugh nickerson.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 18, 2013, 01:07:14 am
"The PaychekPLUS! Elite® Visa® Payroll Card"

Hahaha
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 18, 2013, 11:39:37 am
The question is, is he scary for evil, or is he scary for great justice?

How 'bout this hypothetical. I find a way to make really good meth. It becomes the most desirable meth in the area. Then I lace it with something I get from Hof, and literally kill the market for meth in the area. This would drive away the meth dealers and a large part of the crime problem.
Scary for evil it is.
Pfft.

That's just pest control in his neck of the woods.

Frankly, poisoning the water supply followed by nuking from orbit would count as pest control in his neck of the woods.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 01:25:18 pm
The question is, is he scary for evil, or is he scary for great justice?

How 'bout this hypothetical. I find a way to make really good meth. It becomes the most desirable meth in the area. Then I lace it with something I get from Hof, and literally kill the market for meth in the area. This would drive away the meth dealers and a large part of the crime problem.
Scary for evil it is.
Pfft.

That's just pest control in his neck of the woods.

Frankly, poisoning the water supply followed by nuking from orbit would count as pest control in his neck of the woods.
Reminds me of Lake County, Florida (where I grew up, and definitely to blame for several of my mental issues).
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 19, 2013, 06:13:16 pm
If one doesn't have a car and either bikes or uses public transportation, I suppose that some money could be freed up for food and such.

Same thing goes if one doesn't use cable.

That's only possible in certain areas with certain jobs. If you live somewhere suburban, it can literally take you several miles to get to the nearest POTENTIAL place of employment. When you're already having to bike 4 miles out of the residential area (and that's not an exaggeration; I have places like that right near my own neighborhood), you don't want to add any more miles to your commute.

And public transportation in Central Florida is an utter sham. Unless you live in downtown Orlando (as in the part with actual skyscrapers), the only public transit option other than phoning a cab company is a Lynx bus. Said buses are terribly slow and inefficient and you can easily end up being dropped off a mile or two away from your destination and having to walk it (unless you loaded your bike onto the bus). All of this means that a commute that would take 30 minutes in a car is now taking 3 or 4 times as long by public transit.

And that's not getting into rural areas, where you literally have stretches of nothing for miles and miles. The United States is a country for motorists. Good public transport is unique, not commonplace.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: SpaceProg on July 19, 2013, 07:52:37 pm
^This, this, and this again.  I can't believe how many times I've been asked by people from other countries (mostly Britain) why we don't just take mass transit everywhere.
Our country isn't approximately 70 miles at its widest, y'all.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 19, 2013, 09:08:15 pm
Hell, I don't think there's any public transit at all in our county.  Even the trains are for transporting goods, not people.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Her3tiK on July 19, 2013, 09:23:24 pm
Hell, I finally got my unreliable temp job transferred to my new town, and the new boss said work's going to be kinda rare because I rely on public transit at the moment, which has become a complete joke. Hell, the route that runs right in front of my new home takes so long that I can reach either end of it (I live near the middle of the route) on foot before getting passed by a bus. Need a car to get a job, need a job to pay for a car. It's such a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 19, 2013, 09:25:35 pm
^This, this, and this again.  I can't believe how many times I've been asked by people from other countries (mostly Britain) why we don't just take mass transit everywhere.
Our country isn't approximately 70 miles at its widest, y'all.


Most of Western Europe can fit inside Texas.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 12:22:19 am
^This, this, and this again.  I can't believe how many times I've been asked by people from other countries (mostly Britain) why we don't just take mass transit everywhere.
Our country isn't approximately 70 miles at its widest, y'all.


Most of Western Europe can fit inside Texas.

I actually decided to go into Google Earth and do some measuring with the appropriate tool. Comparing, say, my commute to Halloween Horror Nights for two months of the year.

As the crow flies, my house is 20 miles from Universal Orlando. It's a 25.6 mile commute by I-4, which would take a little over half an hour with no traffic.

So I went over to England. Specifically, Cambridge. I plop one end of the marker down in the center of town and send it east exactly 20 miles. In a crossing that takes me through nothing but Longwood and Orlando (not counting random small towns or incorporated areas I pass through for a few seconds) in Florida, I have passed near about two dozen villages. This includes the hamlet of Six Mile Bottom.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 20, 2013, 02:36:27 am
The question is, is he scary for evil, or is he scary for great justice?

How 'bout this hypothetical. I find a way to make really good meth. It becomes the most desirable meth in the area. Then I lace it with something I get from Hof, and literally kill the market for meth in the area. This would drive away the meth dealers and a large part of the crime problem.

Isn't that exactly what meth dealers do anyway?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: starseeker on July 20, 2013, 06:13:32 am
^This, this, and this again.  I can't believe how many times I've been asked by people from other countries (mostly Britain) why we don't just take mass transit everywhere.
Our country isn't approximately 70 miles at its widest, y'all.


Most of Western Europe can fit inside Texas.

I actually decided to go into Google Earth and do some measuring with the appropriate tool. Comparing, say, my commute to Halloween Horror Nights for two months of the year.

As the crow flies, my house is 20 miles from Universal Orlando. It's a 25.6 mile commute by I-4, which would take a little over half an hour with no traffic.

So I went over to England. Specifically, Cambridge. I plop one end of the marker down in the center of town and send it east exactly 20 miles. In a crossing that takes me through nothing but Longwood and Orlando (not counting random small towns or incorporated areas I pass through for a few seconds) in Florida, I have passed near about two dozen villages. This includes the hamlet of Six Mile Bottom.

Hell, even London, the biggest city, is only 30 miles by 20, American cities are just massive car induced sprawl.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Feral Dog on July 20, 2013, 06:27:40 am
The question is, is he scary for evil, or is he scary for great justice?

How 'bout this hypothetical. I find a way to make really good meth. It becomes the most desirable meth in the area. Then I lace it with something I get from Hof, and literally kill the market for meth in the area. This would drive away the meth dealers and a large part of the crime problem.

Isn't that exactly what meth dealers do anyway?

Not fast enough- the addicts live long enough to chop their kids up, rob hospitals and other medical clinics, steal copper, commit identity theft, and otherwise wreak merry hell on the community.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Jack Mann on July 20, 2013, 10:08:16 am
I was talking to someone from England back when I lived in California.  He said I must go surfing a lot, since I obviously lived so close to the beach.  I blew his mind when I pointed out that it was physically impossible for him to live farther than the ocean than I did.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 03:45:17 pm
I was talking to someone from England back when I lived in California.  He said I must go surfing a lot, since I obviously lived so close to the beach.  I blew his mind when I pointed out that it was physically impossible for him to live farther than the ocean than I did.

It IS common for Floridians to live near the beach, though this is mostly because the state is so thin that you're never more than about an hour's drive away if you know the right highways and interstates to take. If you take a helicopter up and fly over Orlando, you can see the ocean.

This makes "beach culture" a little different, since everyone in the state of all levels of income, from the rednecks below the poverty line and illegal immigrants up to the millionaire basketball players, is within spitting distance of the Atlantic.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 20, 2013, 04:25:40 pm
Yeah. I have lived near some kind of water all my life except when I was in North Dakota.

The one place I lived where I could walk to the beach in about five minutes was Hawaii for obvious reasons. Oahu isn't that big at all. You can circle the island in a couple hours.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: worlder on July 21, 2013, 02:44:52 am
Hmm, ok suppose one doesn't get broadband internet or perhaps even goes no Internet at all.

Would public library internet suffice if one is willing to put up with no computer gaming or Netflix for the foreseeable future?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Askold on July 21, 2013, 04:00:31 am
Gaming and Netflix aren't as important as email and news.

Job applications and merely staying in contact with other people often requires an internet connection these days.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 21, 2013, 05:20:21 am
One of the things about employers who use your e-mail is that they probably won't make allowances for only being able to read your e-mail at certain times.

Like, said, they send you an e-mail at 2:00 AM in the morning informing you of something that has to be done before you go to work.  You go to work at 8:00 AM.  You can't check your e-mail before leaving because you don't have the time to go to the library, assuming it's even open that early.  They blame you for it.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: DiscoBerry on July 23, 2013, 06:32:07 pm
Gaming and Netflix aren't as important as email and news.

Job applications and merely staying in contact with other people often requires an internet connection these days.

Internet access is a must have for job applications.  No, buts about it.  I went to a job fair recently and all the companies did was handout cards with online application information.   
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 23, 2013, 06:41:53 pm
Also, almost all companies communicate nearly exclusively through emails and occasionally cell phones nowadays. I'm currently a Universal Studios Orlando seasonal employee: all of the application process was done online (though they provided computers), but I had to register online for the audition in the first place. Information about literally everything, including when the timekeeping schedules are posted for the week, is sent through email. Last year I got a phone call with my HHN role, but this year they switched to emails to avoid trying to play phone tag with people. All news regarding the company is simply posted online with the assumption that everyone will see it in a timely manner.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: worlder on July 23, 2013, 06:44:29 pm
So personal internet access is needed as public internet access tends to run on its own schedule.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 23, 2013, 06:53:06 pm
So personal internet access is needed as public internet access tends to run on its own schedule.

Pretty much. Public computers aren't always available and may be a good distance away from where you live and work. A lot of employers assume that you simply have a computer and internet at home and will expect you to notice and respond to emails or online updates in a timely fashion, rather than waiting a few days for you to get to the library or internet cafe (unless you're in Florida, where internet cafes are illegal because Rick Scott is a dingleberry).
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: DiscoBerry on July 23, 2013, 08:15:26 pm
So personal internet access is needed as public internet access tends to run on its own schedule.

(unless you're in Florida, where internet cafes are illegal because Rick Scott is a dingleberry).

WTF is the reasoning behind this?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 23, 2013, 08:56:49 pm
So personal internet access is needed as public internet access tends to run on its own schedule.

(unless you're in Florida, where internet cafes are illegal because Rick Scott is a dingleberry).

WTF is the reasoning behind this?

They're casinos apparently, and someone on his staff got in trouble with gambling, so he banned the entire internet.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 23, 2013, 09:18:58 pm
Has that actually been put to effect, or is it just the letter of the law?
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 24, 2013, 12:44:58 am
Has that actually been put to effect, or is it just the letter of the law?

Okay, what happened is that his Lieutenant Governor was caught up in a scandal where the non-profit firm that she used to work for (which operated a chain of internet cafes) was found to be illegally operating online gambling sites. She resigned, and Rick Scott's government decided that the proper response was to ban all internet cafes and slot machines in the state of Florida.

That's already pretty stupid, but the problem is that the bill was written to simply ban "any device that can connect to the internet". Which means that for the past several years, Florida has technically banned the internet. This didn't come up until very recently when a lawsuit was filed against the state.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: ScrappyB on July 25, 2013, 07:12:13 am
^This, this, and this again.  I can't believe how many times I've been asked by people from other countries (mostly Britain) why we don't just take mass transit everywhere.
Our country isn't approximately 70 miles at its widest, y'all.

I've noticed that as well. When I lived near Seattle, one of my friends had some relatives visit from the UK for a week. About the fourth day into their stay, they asked if they could borrow one of the family's cars to take a road trip to visit some people they knew. People who lived in Detroit. They honestly expected to drive from Seattle to Detroit, visit with friends and drive back in three days.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 25, 2013, 05:33:39 pm
^This, this, and this again.  I can't believe how many times I've been asked by people from other countries (mostly Britain) why we don't just take mass transit everywhere.
Our country isn't approximately 70 miles at its widest, y'all.

I've noticed that as well. When I lived near Seattle, one of my friends had some relatives visit from the UK for a week. About the fourth day into their stay, they asked if they could borrow one of the family's cars to take a road trip to visit some people they knew. People who lived in Detroit. They honestly expected to drive from Seattle to Detroit, visit with friends and drive back in three days.

You could do it if you drove fast and only stopped when you had to, and only spent a little while visiting with your friends. I've made it 1000 miles in less than 24 hours.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: dpareja on July 25, 2013, 05:40:39 pm
^This, this, and this again.  I can't believe how many times I've been asked by people from other countries (mostly Britain) why we don't just take mass transit everywhere.
Our country isn't approximately 70 miles at its widest, y'all.

I've noticed that as well. When I lived near Seattle, one of my friends had some relatives visit from the UK for a week. About the fourth day into their stay, they asked if they could borrow one of the family's cars to take a road trip to visit some people they knew. People who lived in Detroit. They honestly expected to drive from Seattle to Detroit, visit with friends and drive back in three days.

You could do it if you drove fast and only stopped when you had to, and only spent a little while visiting with your friends. I've made it 1000 miles in less than 24 hours.

I recall that when my sister and I were rather young (she's younger than me and I don't think either of us was over 10), my family made it from Greater Vancouver, through the Peace Arch crossing and to somewhere just south of the OR-CA border (over 1000 km) in maybe 15 hours. Can't recall if we stopped anywhere on the way.
Title: Re: McDonald's suggested employee budget.
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 25, 2013, 05:51:10 pm
I've made a 900-1000 mile trip fairly often since about 2005 or 2006, when we began yearly road trips from Orlando to Detroit (where my mother grew up). In 2008 we replaced/supplemented that with trips to New York City, with all but one ending in us driving from NYC to Detroit and back down again in a big triangle. The longest we've ever taken was a little over 24 hours, and only because we stopped in Virginia to spend some time with my adopted sister's brother and his family. And usually we stop to sleep at a rest stop in Maryland, somewhere past Baltimore.

This year our current plan is to do both trips separately.