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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2013, 04:36:21 pm »
My girlfriend's on this site, and she's Episcopalian.
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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2013, 04:36:02 pm »
My girlfriend's on this site, and she's Episcopalian.
I'm Episcopalian too.  I consider myself a pretty religious guy, but fundies irk me.

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2013, 10:26:21 pm »
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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2013, 06:29:05 pm »
Well.  Last I checked, your CF profile had said "Science = God of Atheism"  It appears that you've mellowed out some (to my profound surprise), and I certainly hope it continues that there can be a dialogue as opposed to your previous reputation of trying to convert everybody to Christianity in a manner that pleases you, essentially being our High Priest where you dictate the wisdom and we all applaud. 

It's different than CF, for that the religious demographics are mostly shades of non-belief but they vary the same way from "Get rid of religion and most of our problems would vanish overnight" to "cool, you believe that, it's okay, I don't but I won't take a single thing about someone and make it the only thing."

Anyway, you asked what purpose this site served, I can't say for everyone, but it was a showcase of how you can use or defend religion to the point where people demonstrate that the people quoted look more like the High Priests that had your Savior executed than the renegade rabbi who sought to turn religion from a pair of shackles to a tool to sow a better mentality.  Leave it to people, though, to go right back to the way things were because it's so easy to turn it into a big game about who's getting the seat closest to Jesus.

To be clear, though, I've got problems with people on the mainpage who reply DIAF according to the Holy Gospel of Dawkins.   Sometimes I wished it was like when Allan was running the show and there wasn't a comments section.
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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2013, 12:36:28 am »
Well, I can't really speak for the Christians here, being nonreligious myself, but I think I can speak for most people here when I say that we have no problem with religion usually. Just the ones who abuse it (or the lack thereof) for their own ends. Let's be honest, not many people are gonna cry if Ronald E. Williams ends up playing in the six-lane.


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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2013, 02:07:57 pm »
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In my not-always-humble opinion, there are only two fundamental rules that Jesus ever taught: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. These teachings permeate his parables and lessons. He never mentions anything about needing to profess a belief in him; he never says that people have to give up anything but their selfishness. The Good Samaritan never professes a belief in Jesus' divinity, yet he's held up in the story as an ideal for everyone to strive for. For historical context, the Samaritans were a sect that were feared and hated by mainstream Jews at the time; for Jesus to hold a Samaritan up as an example of ideal behavior would have shocked his audience.

Similarly, when the rich man's son asked, "What must I do to get to Heaven?" Jesus said, "Sell everything you own, give the money to the poor and follow me." Strict Biblical literalists have a lot of trouble with this passage, often claiming that Jesus was making a point about charity. I respectfully disagree; it's too simple for the deep, complex messages Jesus used his parables to convey. "The first shall be last, and the last, first." You want to find Heaven? Get over yourself. Stop worrying about what you want and look at everything the people around you lack. Do more than look: Help. The only thing wrong with having and enjoying luxury is when you let it blind you to the suffering around you.

The things that many Americans now consider fundamentals of Christianity are things that Jesus never spoke of, and indeed, wouldn't even recognize or would actively oppose. Opposition to homosexual rights, opposition to women's rights, opposition to governmental assistance for the needy, the myth of the "self-made man", enforcing Christianity as a state religion...the list goes on. Just on that last point, I have only one thing to say: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's." Additionally, the insistence on "justification through faith" is used as an excuse for all sorts of things that have demonstrable negative impacts on other people's lives. Every time Jesus speaks of judgement, he refers to judgement based on what a person DID, not what they believed.

I'm agnostic. I think the only afterlife we're guaranteed to have is the impact we leave on others; anything more is an unprovable hypothesis at this time. I'm not convinced Jesus existed as described in the Bible. I recognize that, while the teachings written in the Gospels were far ahead of their time, they were still very much a product of their time...would you honestly tell someone to visit a priest and have themselves anointed with oil in lieu of seeing a doctor? Or that women should only be considered in the light of how helpful they are to men? I draw inspiration and guidance from multiple different sources and traditions. But I consider myself a Christian in the same vein as the Good Samaritan...I try to help people however I can, even if it means a little immediate inconvenience. I'm far from perfect, but I don't have to be...I just try to make sure people have what they need and let the rest take care of itself.

As for the mocking and making fun...as Jesus showed when calling people out on their hypocrisy, what people often need most and want least is a swift kick in the ass to shake them out of their complacency. If this site could be said to have any higher purpose, I think that would be it. To shake people up, get them to think about what they've been taught, and make them DECIDE what they believe, rather than parroting what their parents or pastor say.

You made a lot of statements about several different things I'd like to talk with you about. Would you be ok with me starting a new thread to discuss just one issue at a time with you? I feel if we focus on one it will be much better than trying to have 3 or 4 different conversations at the same time. If so which point that you made would you like to discuss first?

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2013, 03:16:12 pm »
I'm okay with it. Just don't be surprised if other people chime in. We can start wherever you like.
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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2013, 04:43:30 pm »
PMs? What the fuck are those?

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2013, 04:55:03 pm »
PMs? What the fuck are those?

Lithp, you so silly!

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2013, 05:01:04 pm »
PMs? What the fuck are those?

I'd like to do it publicly, so others can also join in on the debate.

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2013, 07:06:01 pm »
Lithp? Who the fuck is that? Public? What the fuck is that?

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2013, 07:32:06 pm »
Magnets?  How do they work?

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2013, 01:42:55 am »
Tides come in, tides go out.  DUH.

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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2013, 02:35:29 am »
Magnets?  How do they work?

Well... Each magnet has a "north pole" and a "south pole," these two are REALLY attracted to each other. So much in fath that whenever you bring a N-pole anywhere near an S-pole they are like "OMG I love that dude I WANNA HAVE YOUR BABIES!" and then they just glomp and never want to let go.

But if you try to put two N-poles or two S-poles together they are like "What the Murgelgloop!? That is an N-pole, but I thought I was the N-pole! THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!" They simply cannot comprehend the situation and that is why two similar poles repel each other.
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Re: Christians on this site?
« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2013, 01:28:51 pm »
Are you suggesting there are no gay magnets?