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The Lounge / Re: The Funny/Stupid Pics Thread
« Last post by Art Vandelay on Today at 01:19:34 pm »
I created a separate thread so as not to derail the main one.

A lot of people have asked me if I'm going back to CNN under a new name. And I'm pretty sure my answer is no. To begin with, they don't want me. They made that clear by banning me. Why would I go to a place where I'm explicitly not wanted? If my friend told me I wasn't welcome at his house, I wouldn't go put on a fake nose & mustache and come back telling him my name is "Fambulance Waser."

Secondly, and more importantly, there's no reason to. I'm not accomplishing anything by being there.

As I've said here before, my main reason for going to CNN was not simply to stir the pot. I was, naively, attempting to raise the overall discourse of the discussion on the site. I had three rules that I would follow: 1) No profanity, 2) Always cite a valid source, and 3) Always keep the conversation on the issue, as laser-focused as possible--and not on the person.

My method was, as often as possible, Socratic. That is, I would ask questions that would incrementally direct my mark into a position. And that position was always one or the other of these things:
  • The speaker would be able to espouse a collegiate-level understanding of the topic being , i.e. able to understand the mechanisms of how it worked, correctly cite prominent experts in the field, and take an educated, evidence-based position on it; or
  • The speaker would be unable to do #1 and be forced to admit that they were in over their heads, in which case they couldn't state a valid position.
My style would be to play dumb, and ask questions that pretended to presume the speaker was an educated expert in whatever field. I would give them the opportunity to prove that they could maturely discuss a topic or admit that they couldn't.

What I didn't count was that there was a third option: Dodge, evade, and avoid. This was the one that CNN users, by and large, chose. In other words, they would take any tactic, including changing the subject, answering a question I didn't ask, or refusing to accept reality, to avoid actually having to admit that they're wrong. They are, on the whole, too stupid to discuss a topic intelligently and too arrogant to admit it. This is a dangerous, depressing combination.

So I could never box them into the corner that I expected. If I presented scientific evidence, I would get Amos Moses who doesn't believe in science. If I cited to case law, I would get Oboehner saying it doesn't matter. The worst was Jason Todd/Matt Mason/Whatever sock, who used to sneer at me that I thought judges made the final decisions on matters of law. Yes, I do think that, because it's true, and literally every lawyer and judge in America will agree with me.

THESE ARE NOT RATIONAL, INTELLIGENT POSITIONS. I can't discuss a topic with someone who refuses to accept basic, reasonable ground rules In science, we cite to peer-reviewed journals. In law, we cite court decisions. This is how it works. The systems we have wouldn't work any other way. But if you're so anti-intellectual that being right supersedes living in reality, then I can't help you.

So for this reason, I'm not going back. There is no value in arguing with people who simply refuse to be argued with. I thought I could teach them out of their stupid, but I didn't realize how important being stupid was to them.
The Lounge / Re: Anything Good Happen Today?
« Last post by RavynousHunter on Today at 11:27:36 am »
Got Path of Fire for Guild Wars 2 a couple days ago and I'm having far, FAR too much fun carving a bloody swath through Balthazar's army.
The Lounge / Re: Anything Good Happen Today?
« Last post by niam2023 on Today at 01:40:05 am »
Powered out 245 pound squats like it ain't even a problem today in the gym. Might have something to do with my 315 pound max - though I may have to test for a new max squat weight.
The Lounge / Re: Anything Good Happen Today?
« Last post by Svata on September 23, 2017, 11:11:40 pm »
Yeah, they're pretty sweet.
The Lounge / Re: Anything Good Happen Today?
« Last post by lord gibbon on September 23, 2017, 10:33:42 pm »
Nice! Dino's are best tribe in Ixalan!
The Lounge / Re: Anything Good Happen Today?
« Last post by Svata on September 23, 2017, 09:21:12 pm »
Went to a Pre-Release for the new Magic set today. Went 3-1, so I feel pretty good about that.

Here's the deck. (sealed event. so pulled from 6 packs.)

(click to show/hide)
Science and Technology / Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Last post by Tolpuddle Martyr on September 23, 2017, 09:08:40 pm »
Direct question Lana: Were Google in court because they were allegedly systematically underpaying their female employees prior to sacking the author of the memo? Yes or no.

Direct question number two: Could the memo negatively affect Google's court cases, plural, involving said allegation that they were systematically underpaying their female employees? Yes or no.

Direct question three: Would it have been prudent for Google not to have sacked the author of the memo in the context of the company being involved in court cases about gender discrimination? Yes or no and why?
Religion and Philosophy / Re: Christian News Network fundies
« Last post by RWH on September 23, 2017, 06:44:22 pm »
Can you tell the people here more about MM, by whom I assume you mean Michael Marcavage?  I don't know much myself but people might be interested in knowing a bit about the guy behind Christian News Network.

Rather than say anything, may I direct everyone to the web site that Michael Marcavage used to host?  It's located here, the Repent America site:

The following link gives Michael's side of some of the trouble he got himself into:

This is where I discovered Christian News as there seemed to be a link at one time.  I don't have time to scour the page right now.

This site takes you directly to the news articles written about Marcavage.  None of it is terribly recent, but it should give you hours worth of reading.  Of special interest is that as a former student at Temple University, he got in trouble because he protested the play Corpus Christi.  He demanded equal time and a public platform at the school and refused to leave the President's Office (I believe) until his demands were met.  For that one, he was hauled off to the psych ward.  He and the Philadelphia Eleven protested at Gay pride in Philadelphia and got himself arrested.  It was a big trial.  Among other things, through the court, he got the provisions in the PA Civil Rights Law that protect gays from nondiscrimination.  There must be at least 50 articles and a lot more on his web page.  One of his last escapades was street preaching at the Liberty Bell where crowds of people waiting in line were forced to listen to him.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), he seemed to disappear after 2008.

Whatever he does seems to be crude and unpolished.  Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if Amos weren't Marcavage personally or someone closely associated with him.  Amos' personality seems to mirror that of Michael.

My university is way off in the northwest corner of Pennsylvania, so Mike and his buddies never picketed our school, but for a while he was a regular at the West Chester branch of our State University System (not to be confused with Penn State and its regional campuses).  He was close buddies with a man with the last name of White, who got himself into deep trouble over child molestation charges. 

When the Dover PA school district made the news over teaching Intelligent Design a few years ago, Marcavage and gang were canvassing the city, street preaching and going door-to-door.

I tried to look up other information, but he seems to have dropped out of sight.  Maybe he got a real job, but I don't know who would want him around as he is so obnoxious.  He hasn't attempted to infiltrate gay pride in Philadelphia for a while.  Otherwise, we would have heard about it.  wikopedia doesn't seem to have anything recent on him.

He's a lapsed Catholic, which explains his demeaning attitude toward the Catholic Church.  Apparently, he's still single, and someone said that he claims to be a virgin.  Another evil twin is a man called James Hartline.  He had the same rabid anger against abortion, Catholics, and gays as Michael has, but James claims to be an ex-gay.  I don't know about Michael, but the two seem to be of the same mold.  James seems to have dropped out of sight pretty much, but he is fighting AIDS.  There is an interesting video on Youtube of him crying in a hospital office because he lost his wallet, an he was demanding to see security camera footage of the hospital pharmacy, which the hospital would not provide.
Science and Technology / Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Last post by niam2023 on September 23, 2017, 06:09:08 pm »
You could have very well looked it up, Lana.

You know, Google it.
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