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Video game feminism woman.
« on: October 16, 2014, 08:31:53 pm »
Let's continue the discussion here,

No brining up death/rape threats, that'll only lead to pissing contests.

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2014, 08:34:42 pm »
I'm all for female representation in gaming, but what certain individuals claim to be "misogyny" is just dumb.

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 12:17:24 am »
I'm all for female representation in gaming, but what certain individuals claim to be "misogyny" is just dumb.
Yup.

If a little vague, what claims about stuff being misogyny are we talking about?

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 04:01:14 am »
I dont know, there is a significant noticeable bias towards male representation. Meaty straight white male's are just assumed as the default in gaming. Lacking an option for me to play as a female character in some games particularly RPG's where the character is lacking in any distinct story driven personality discourages me significantly from playing those games.

Games like fable 1 for example discourage me from playing by preventing me form having a choice. While I greatly enjoyed fable 3 because it did. Things are getting better, in general. Some of the smaller AAA developers are starting to get the picture. Especially as females make up a massive segment of the gamer market these days. Other AAA developers, normally the ones with a reputation for treating their customers like mushy excrement haven't changed at all.

As for the gaming community, there is a definite air of misogyny. Women are completely over-sexualised and even treated as sexual objects. In many online games, female gamers act create male persona's just to be treated like equals. There are many stories of how during an online match a male gamer will hurl the standard abuses towards another gamer, but upon learning they are female will ask for pictures of their boobs. Similarly there is the whole gamer girl vs real gamer girl kerfuffle which was entirely pointless but caused the gamer community to wail like they do for anything else. In the gaming community women are not seen as equals. They are not given the same level of respect as any other male in a similar situation.

Now I don't expect to improve the gaming community in any way. Given how they get their panties in an absolute twist whenever the most irrelevant of things happens has shown they are pretty much a lost cause. However, publishers promoting the bias towards men is just bad business. Inclusiveness promotes sales. They wont loose those guys who complain about the option for a character to be female or gay or whatever, because I guarantee those guys will have per-ordered the game already just so they can complain about it.

Just my somewhat more than 2 cents.

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2014, 04:13:40 am »
I'm all for female representation in gaming, but what certain individuals claim to be "misogyny" is just dumb.

An example would be good, perhaps.
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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2014, 04:48:30 am »
I dont know, there is a significant noticeable bias towards male representation. Meaty straight white male's are just assumed as the default in gaming. Lacking an option for me to play as a female character in some games particularly RPG's where the character is lacking in any distinct story driven personality discourages me significantly from playing those games.

Games like fable 1 for example discourage me from playing by preventing me form having a choice. While I greatly enjoyed fable 3 because it did. Things are getting better, in general. Some of the smaller AAA developers are starting to get the picture. Especially as females make up a massive segment of the gamer market these days. Other AAA developers, normally the ones with a reputation for treating their customers like mushy excrement haven't changed at all.

A good example of things going in the right direction was this. Any rapey comments and you're gone, simple.

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2014, 05:29:10 pm »
I'm all for female representation in gaming, but

The clause before the "but" doesn't count.
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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2014, 06:18:00 pm »
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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2014, 06:27:48 pm »
I'm all for female representation in gaming, but what certain individuals claim to be "misogyny" is just dumb.
Yup.

If a little vague, what claims about stuff being misogyny are we talking about?
Dunno, but technically the statement is true.

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2014, 06:30:00 pm »
Technically, the statement "a person likes bacon" is true, sans context it's a bit of a headscratcher.

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2014, 07:11:44 pm »
Let's compile a few of my complaints on her evaluations in this post, so you can either rip them to shit or agree with me.

  • In her evaluation of Dolllhouse, she dislikes the protagonists because of violence against women. Compare with Women as Background Decoration, where she hates the use of violence against a woman to paint somebody as evil. The latter is common, with her neither caring whether good or bad is being sexist.
  • Bones, as apparently crazy male serial killers as part of popular entertainment is a bad thing. CSI and Dexter both get this odd complaint.
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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2014, 07:38:19 pm »
So tell me again, this is part of an endless discussion about games?  Like Parcheesi and Chinese Checkers, only electronic in this instance?  I think that in the grand scheme of the universe they have the same value.  Originally they were intended to be fun ... a diversion.  Now they're serious, huh?
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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2014, 08:27:52 pm »
So tell me again, this is part of an endless discussion about games?  Like Parcheesi and Chinese Checkers, only electronic in this instance?  I think that in the grand scheme of the universe they have the same value.  Originally they were intended to be fun ... a diversion.  Now they're serious, huh?

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2014, 08:31:05 pm »
Let's compile a few of my complaints on her evaluations in this post, so you can either rip them to shit or agree with me.

  • In her evaluation of Dolllhouse, she dislikes the protagonists because of violence against women. Compare with Women as Background Decoration, where she hates the use of violence against a woman to paint somebody as evil. The latter is common, with her neither caring whether good or bad is being sexist.
  • Bones, as apparently crazy male serial killers as part of popular entertainment is a bad thing. CSI and Dexter both get this odd complaint.

Got links or titles? Sarkeesian makes a lot of videos-be a help of you could point to the ones we're talking about.

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Re: Video game feminism woman.
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2014, 08:18:47 pm »
I don't think any mistakes Anita Sarkeesian makes, while regrettable, really diminish the presence of misogyny in video games and the video game community. Believe it or not, Sarkeesian isn't the Feminist Gamer Girl Messiah we all slavishly worship. There are lots of people pointing out sexism in video games, not just Sarkeesian.

I agree, this kind of thing needs to be discussed.