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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2018, 09:48:46 pm »
Failing to acknowledge that information spreads more quickly in modern times than during the Roman Empire. So it is much easier to get converts to a new religion today.

And I'm sure you have a precise model of how much faster religions grow nowadays compared to the first century CE and have used this to show that accounting for this advantage all the cults I mentioned before grow slower than Christianity would have with mass media

No, of course not. You don't know how fast Christianity grew. You do not get to declare that evidence of divine intervention if you do not actually check how mundane, non-divinely assisted religions grow. It's perfectly humanly possible to convince a bunch of people of some absolute nonsense.

The rest of your argument is just picking a reference class of one.

Well in a previous comment here, I pointed out that Christianity spread in it’s early years far faster than an atheist site claimed it did.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2018, 10:41:06 pm »
Yeah and if you look up Asherah you'll see she was queen consort of Yahweh, wife in other words. The same article you find so problematic also says Yahweh inherited all of Els traits because, wait for it, they're both characters in made up narratives. It's a bit like how Superman took on traits as the series gree or DC and Marvel keep poaching ideas fron each other for their characters.

Well when the Isrealites were sinning against God, before they were punished with exile, they were worshipping idols, so that would include adding false gods and goddesses from the Canaanite gods and goddesses to their religion making it polytheistic.

And no it does not say that Yahweh was based on the Canaanite El, it says that El was the Canaanite god at the time when “Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age when the Canaanite city-state system was ending” meaning that when the Israelites defeated and killed the wicked Canaanites and established the nation of Israel. El was an ancient term for God, so the Israelites worshiped the true El, Yahweh.
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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2018, 02:15:57 am »
So you are simultaneously claiming that Christianity spread really fast and that this is proof of it being the one true religion, but also claiming that Islam spreading faster does not make it the one true religion?

Christianity being hampered by the Romans is not evidence on your side, if Christianity is the one true religion AND the spread of it was helped by God then why wouldn't God prevent Romans from slowing down Christianity? Either you have to renounce Jesus and admit that Mohammed was the true prophet of Allah or you have to admit that your claim of "fastest spreading religion" making your religion more realer than other religions is not relevant to a religion being true.
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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2018, 08:08:46 am »
So you are simultaneously claiming that Christianity spread really fast and that this is proof of it being the one true religion, but also claiming that Islam spreading faster does not make it the one true religion?

Christianity being hampered by the Romans is not evidence on your side, if Christianity is the one true religion AND the spread of it was helped by God then why wouldn't God prevent Romans from slowing down Christianity? Either you have to renounce Jesus and admit that Mohammed was the true prophet of Allah or you have to admit that your claim of "fastest spreading religion" making your religion more realer than other religions is not relevant to a religion being true.

1. Because Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.

2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2018, 09:00:19 am »
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2018, 09:20:18 am »
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2018, 10:10:27 am »
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?

Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2018, 11:02:49 am »
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2018, 11:12:20 am »
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2018, 11:14:31 am »
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.

Omnipotent means having the unlimited power to do all things that are possible. So even being all powerful has it’s limits because an all powerful being can’t do what’s impossible.
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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2018, 11:27:18 am »
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.

Omnipotent means having the unlimited power to do all things that are possible. So even being all powerful has it’s limits because an all powerful being can’t do what’s impossible.

No, it means being able to do anything, at least in the context of the Christian sky fairy. See?

Not that that answers the real question here.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2018, 12:33:27 pm »
God doesn't kill Satan because if he did, there'd be no story.
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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2018, 12:42:26 pm »
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.

Omnipotent means having the unlimited power to do all things that are possible. So even being all powerful has it’s limits because an all powerful being can’t do what’s impossible.

No, it means being able to do anything, at least in the context of the Christian sky fairy. See?

Not that that answers the real question here.

The definition of omnipotent in relation to God is this.

“almighty or infinite in power, as God.”

An infinite amount of all the power of existence, does not mean having an infinite amount of power that cannot exist. As for the answer to your other question, it is because they have supernatural experiences, such as visits from the ghosts of their dead relatives or angels, or the fact that God answers their prayers. I have a Catholic maternal grandmother who has ALS(the same physical disability that Stephen Hawking had), who will probably die in a few years or less, and through the grace of God, she is still able to be happy and joyful even though she is in a nursing home and requires a lot of nurses to take care of her. The other people in the nursing home are a lot more cranky and miserable. Seems like elderly Christians seem happier than elderly non believers.

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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2018, 05:31:36 pm »
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.
Special pleading bullshit, "our repression was for the greater good, our war crimes were retaliatory" and I'll let Columbus speak for himself.

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Hey the natives are peaceful and generous, what's the Christian thing to do? Let's subjugate the fuck out of them!

As for infinite power, there's a word for that, braggardio, "my god is bigger than your god, well my god is bigger than anything." Literally kids having a pissing contest except the piss is hypothetical and imaginary. You might as well be arguing about whether the Enterprise would beat a Star Destroyer.
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Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2018, 05:53:03 pm »
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.
Special pleading bullshit, "our repression was for the greater good, our war crimes were retaliatory" and I'll let Columbus speak for himself.

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: “They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things ... They willingly traded everything they owned ... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features .... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane. ... They would make fine servants. ... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”

Hey the natives are peaceful and generous, what's the Christian thing to do? Let's subjugate the fuck out of them!

As for infinite power, there's a word for that, braggardio, "my god is bigger than your god, well my god is bigger than anything." Literally kids having a pissing contest except the piss is hypothetical and imaginary. You might as well be arguing about whether the Enterprise would beat a Star Destroyer.

I am not denying that Columbus subjugated them, but why do you have a problem with conquering primitive cultures to bring civilization to them?

And the repression of the heretical sects was for the greater good because it kept unity in the Empire. I admit that the First crusaders went excessive but the later crusaders such as Richard the Lionheart  were heroes fighting to protect the Christians in the Middle East. The English were never responsible for the worst of the crusader’s excesses.

And your still in denial of Yahweh and Jesus Christ after all the evidence I provided? If you have any logical questions about Yahweh, Jesus, the trinity, and Christianity, I will be glad to provide you answers based on my knowledge. I already addressed the case of Yahweh’s wife, that was promoted during the part of Israel’s history when the Israelites were turning against God and worshipping false gods.