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Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« on: May 10, 2015, 11:06:30 pm »
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Oh boy, the conservatives are jumping on this story.
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2015, 11:16:16 pm »
Literally every headline I've seen about this is shit along the lines of "Obama lied about Bin Laden!" or "Sources say that Obama lied about Bin Laden!", which is barely any better. Of course, literally every headline I've seen is from garbage sites like YoungCons, so anyone with half a brain will take it with a grain of salt.
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2015, 11:25:34 pm »
Said sources are anonymous, so there's that.
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2015, 11:27:06 pm »
Seymour Hersh: Sources say Obama lied about killing Osama! Sources is my pet name for the voices I hear in my head!
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2015, 11:32:54 pm »
I think Seymour Hersh has earned our trust, at this point.
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2015, 11:34:38 pm »
This is much worse for the Republicans as it shows that they couldnt find Osama after he had been captured by the Pakistanis.

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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2015, 11:35:50 pm »
This is going to be the new Benghazi, isn't it?

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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2015, 01:33:30 am »
I am not going to read through page after page of crazy person talk. What exactly is he claiming the evil antichrist obama lied about exactly?
I am prepared to take Obama's word for it that Osama is dead unless I am shown a still alive Osama bin laden. Anything else about the operation is merely details that I and no one else should really care about.

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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2015, 05:22:46 am »
What exactly is he claiming the evil antichrist obama lied about exactly?
The article claims that Pakistanis were secretly keeping bin Laden as a hostage to protect themselves from al-Qaida activities. A Pakistani official sold this information for the reward money and the US were able to cut a deal with Pakistan for bin Laden. The raid was organized with the full co-operation of the Pakistani intelligence service and military to hide from al-Qaida the fact that Pakistanis had betrayed the deal they had. The burial at sea was also bullshit and the story was concocted quickly to cover for Obama doing political grandstanding instead of going forward with the intended cover story.

In my opinion this is a possible scenario but it's impossible to be certain about the reliability of the story due to the unnamed informants.

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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2015, 06:34:47 am »
They're doing everything they can to distance Obama from that event.  Big surprise.
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2015, 08:37:55 am »
If we didn't send old and decrepit Osama to his virgins, then why in Gork's name did we build a one-off stealth 'hawk?
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2015, 08:47:52 am »
What exactly is he claiming the evil antichrist obama lied about exactly?
The article claims that Pakistanis were secretly keeping bin Laden as a hostage to protect themselves from al-Qaida activities. A Pakistani official sold this information for the reward money and the US were able to cut a deal with Pakistan for bin Laden. The raid was organized with the full co-operation of the Pakistani intelligence service and military to hide from al-Qaida the fact that Pakistanis had betrayed the deal they had. The burial at sea was also bullshit and the story was concocted quickly to cover for Obama doing political grandstanding instead of going forward with the intended cover story.

In my opinion this is a possible scenario but it's impossible to be certain about the reliability of the story due to the unnamed informants.

Obviously the anonymous sauces will never put their names to it. At this stage it's down to trust in Sy Hersch, for my money the greatest journalist in history.
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2015, 09:05:15 am »
What exactly is he claiming the evil antichrist obama lied about exactly?
The article claims that Pakistanis were secretly keeping bin Laden as a hostage to protect themselves from al-Qaida activities. A Pakistani official sold this information for the reward money and the US were able to cut a deal with Pakistan for bin Laden. The raid was organized with the full co-operation of the Pakistani intelligence service and military to hide from al-Qaida the fact that Pakistanis had betrayed the deal they had. The burial at sea was also bullshit and the story was concocted quickly to cover for Obama doing political grandstanding instead of going forward with the intended cover story.

In my opinion this is a possible scenario but it's impossible to be certain about the reliability of the story due to the unnamed informants.

Obviously the anonymous sauces will never put their names to it. At this stage it's down to trust in Sy Hersch, for my money the greatest journalist in history.
Yeah. It's enough to make me take the claims seriously but not enough to make me 100% convinced.

I think we should take care to separate the claims and their validity from the way the article is used in the conservative media.

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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2015, 12:11:11 pm »
Honestly I'm not surprised there hasn't been more crazy conspiracy theories about this already.
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Re: Seymour Hersh: Obama lied about killing of Osama
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2015, 01:47:56 pm »
Honestly I'm not surprised there hasn't been more crazy conspiracy theories about this already.
What are you talking about? The conservatives have been insisting he's still alive since before President Obama announced the killing.

On topic, this doesn't even look like that big of a lie. So the President covered up something that could result in people being killed. I don't like government secrecy, but I'm pretty sure even most sane libertarians would agree that this is one case where lying is the right thing to do.
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