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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Damen on April 22, 2012, 12:03:04 am
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In a jarring example that goes to show us racism is, in fact, colorblind, we get this lovely bit of news:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station)
A 13-year-old boy who police say was doused with gasoline and lit on fire last week while walking home from school is recovering from first-degree burns to his face and head.
The boy was just two blocks from his home in Kansas City Tuesday when two teenagers began to follow him and then attacked him, his mother, Melissa Coon, said.
Police have described the suspects as black 16-year-olds, while the victim is white.
"We were told it's a hate crime," Coon told KTLA.
"They rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door open," Coon told KMBC. "(One of them) poured the gasoline, then flicked the Bic, and said, 'This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.'"
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"It was pretty bad stuff," Detective Stacey Taylor told the TV station, adding that police are concerned the boy may have suffered damage to his eyes and lungs.
Coon said her son put out the fire with his shirt and called 911 himself. He was rushed to the hospital and was treated for his injuries.
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"My 5-year-old came in and asked me, 'Mom, am I going to get set on fire today?'" Coon said. "I was in tears."
I am, frankly, at a loss for words.
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I never thought at any point in my life I'd ever say this, but I honestly would be pleased if the KKK lynched these two wastes of carbon.
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It sounds familiar to what some of the militants do in Africa. With or without the tire.
All I can say is, I hope justice is meted out somehow.
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Racism is indeed color blind.
How disgusting.
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inb4 "But minorities still can't be racist"
also inb4 "RACE WAR"
This is fucking tragic.
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I never thought at any point in my life I'd ever say this, but I honestly would be pleased if the KKK lynched these two wastes of carbon.
I'm not going that far. Too close to something a Freeper would say. But the people who did this are horrific.
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You know how I've said that racism is one of the big things that pisses me off?
Guess what, I just learned that it does, indeed, apply if it's a minority performing a hate crime against a majority.
FUCKING
RAGE!
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Also, it it bad that I found that the boy's last name was a very strange coincidence?
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Also, it it bad that I found that the boy's last name was a very strange coincidence?
No, I was going to say something about it too.
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I kinda thought about it, but decided against it since the wound is quite raw at this point.
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I kinda thought about it, but decided against it since the wound is quite raw at this point.
Which is why I didn't say anything either.
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Great, guys, now I feel bad :(
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I never thought at any point in my life I'd ever say this, but I honestly would be pleased if the KKK lynched these two wastes of carbon.
I'm not going that far. Too close to something a Freeper would say. But the people who did this are horrific.
I'm particularly fond of the term "oxygen thief," myself.
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Great, guys, now I feel bad :(
Don't worry about it.
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Ugh, disgusting.
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Great, guys, now I feel bad :(
That's ok, I thought the same and was gonna say such too.
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Mark me as one who finds the last name ironic in a sad sort of way.
As for the two that did this, may they find the sweet sweet kiss of the whip of Justice across their hateful mouths.
Ironbite-Racism is blind well so is Justice...and she's hotter then Racism.
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This is one of the reasons I hate people in general. How we can be so cruel to each other is beyond belief.
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That's horrible.
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Terrible beyond words. Reading shit like this makes me fucking hate people, but I would still never do anything like this to them.
(...and it's pathetic and probably vulturous that I immediately filed this away to use as an example of how hate-crime laws also work for privileged majorities, rendering the whole "special treatment" bullshit moot.)
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I find it interesting that the article runs with the standard practice of withholding the name of a minor, but then names the mother. By doing so, the boy really has no anonymity from those who care to look up the mother. Just interesting how that worked out.
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I find it interesting that the article runs with the standard practice of withholding the name of a minor, but then names the mother. By doing so, the boy really has no anonymity from those who care to look up the mother. Just interesting how that worked out.
LOL yeah, that seems to happen sometimes.
It sometimes seems like the clueless people are the ones making the decisions that impacts everyone else.
This incident is not an isolated case. Whites are targeted by other ethnicities for hate crimes.
There was a case years back of a white couple in Tennessee. They ended up in a black neighborhood and was accosted. Both the male and female were raped and tortured. To try and cover up the evidence, bleach was poured on the wounds while the victims were still alive. It was a gang rape/attack by numerous blacks, both male and female. There was a blurb about it in the news and then details of the case was hush hush. I have no idea what happened to the monsters that did it. The young couple died from the injuries. They were probably in so much pain that they wanted death.
This PC world doesn't want to admit this type of thing goes on though.
My ex-husband targeted me because I am white. He even wanted me to call him "master" during some of the torture sessions. I was never a bigot before I met him, but I see people in a different light since that happened to me. I see all people in a different light. I am no longer the naive child I was when the abuse started. I am quite cynical and slow to trust others. Living through such a trauma changes you. While I am still not a bigot, I no longer am blind to the fact that many black people hate whites to the point of wanting to kill them.
While I was with him, he targeted other white girls to sexually abuse. He even impregnated a 13 year old. He only did it to white girls. When I talk about it though, people ignore what he has obviously done, and attack me for being a "racist." Even people who didn't like him took up for him over me because they didn't want to be labeled as a racist. I have always been left to fend for myself.
He now has my teenage daughter. Abusive people sometimes use the government to attack others. Batterers do it. It is called Domestic Violence by proxy. It will sound odd, but I am glad my daughter is darker skinned than a lot of bi-racial children. He has never had sexual relations with a darker skinned girl. I have been hoping that she is too dark for him to want to sexually assault. I have been terrified of what he will end up doing to my baby.
I hope the monsters that did this to that poor child will be locked away for good. People like that are too dangerous to be walking with normal people.
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Hey Mezuzas you're back.
How old was your ex when you had your kid and what part of the US are you from?
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Miles, I think she was saying that she now recognizes that non-whites can also be racists, not that she believes all black people hate whites. I don't see anything in her post to suggest that she doesn't realize that Caucasians have done the same thing to blacks. She merely said that she has trouble trusting people in general, and that she's no longer naive enough to think that only white people can be racists.
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Forgive me, Mezuzas, but you're kinda forgetting that white people will do terrible things to black people for the same reason.
Not to discount your story, of course. Just as in the Rick Santorum thread, where you brought this up, your story is horrific and nobody should ever wish what happened to you on somebody else.
With that said, you're basically saying that you're scared of all black people because of what you see some people do. From your abusive husband, to the people you've mentioned seeing on the news.
Just because some of them are completely reprehensible people doesn't mean the entirety of the group is. If that were the case, then by that logic, Christians as a whole are all monsters who do terrible things in the name of their God, as are people of all other religions. White people are all monsters as well because of how they treat minorities. That includes straight people in general, and gay people.
"While I am still not a bigot, I no longer am blind to the fact that many black people hate whites to the point of wanting to kill them. "
This is basically saying, "While I am not a bigot, I still hold bigoted views". Fearing an entire race of people just because you've seen some of them do bad things is kinda the definition of bigotry. As I said, if logic worked that way, I should hate all white people because of what they've done to others.
Once again, your story, if true, is absolutely horrific and I give you my deepest sympathies. But you really shouldn't say that the entire ocean is tainted just because there are a few dirty drops.
I am not forgetting anything of the sort. My family for the most part was against my daughter because she's bi-racial.
I have become cautious around people until I can determine they intend me no harm. I do not automatically assume they will just like I no longer assume they won't. I am very distrusting of people. It is a normal reaction to going through what I have been subjected to. I am not fearful but cautious. Fear paralyzes your senses. I choose to be observant and check things out before making decisions.
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As a African/Arabic mix this deeply shames me on so many levels.
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Between this: "This PC world doesn't want to admit this type of thing goes on though."
and this: "While I am still not a bigot, I no longer am blind to the fact that many black people hate whites to the point of wanting to kill them. "
It ended up reading as...there's a delicate way to put it but I can't remember what it was...it read as something not-so-nice. If that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense, because I thought it sounded pretty close to a bit of racist code-word speak myself. But it can be pretty hard to bring up this sort of point, even when it is valid, without sounding like that.
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Perhaps I'm giving too much benefit of the doubt, but I read the "PC" comment as meaning that some people don't recognize that whites aren't the only group capable of prejudice.
Either way, she's the only one who can properly clarify the comment, so we'll wait and see what she says about it.
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Dammit, this kind of shit needs to stop between ALL humans.
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Hey Mezuzas you're back.
How old was your ex when you had your kid and what part of the US are you from?
He was about 30? I was 19 when I got pregnant with my daughter. I was 16 when I became pregnant with the baby I lost. Same father. He is about 11 years older than I am. So he'd been around 30. I had become 'too old' to suit him by that point and he was pursuing other teenaged girls to torment. I received more flack over what he did than he did. I kept getting accused of "allowing" him to chase after these girls and not trying hard enough to please my husband. He actually got no flack over it at all. I was the target of people's anger over it like I had forced him to rape young girls?
I was in a small town in Virginia. Most everybody knew him. Those who didn't like him still didn't cross him because he is very vindictive against people who stand up to him.
When I was trying to get the divorce, he literally consulted with lawyers just so they couldn't represent me. The court put me under an order to where I had to get court permission just to leave the area at all, even if I was coming right back. I was denied the right to go out of town to try and obtain a lawyer. One of the lawyers in town tried to help, saying it wasn't right that I couldn't get a lawyer, and represented me after he had consulted with him. My ex ended up having him disbarred over it. I ended up having to break a court order just to go out of the area and find an attorney.
People to this day out there have a fear about taking a stand against him.
When it began for me, I was a very naive teenaged girl who believed the government was there to protect us. I had been raised on bible scriptures talking about how the authorities are put over us for our good, etc. What happened to me reshaped my entire existence and I've never been the same since.
I tried to raise my daughter different from how I'd been raised. I didn't want her to have to go through what I did. Now, she's with the same monster I was with around her age. I failed to save my girl. It's almost like history is repeating itself. They even pulled the race card against my child saying she didn't want to live with him at one point because he is black. They kept giving her flack for not acting more black, whatever that's supposed to mean. It was said that I was abusing her by not raising her in a black home. I'm not black. How would I have raised her in a black home?? So they were basically saying that my being white is abusive?? They claimed she had "cultural issues" and was criticizing her for not having more black friends. They ridiculed her for liking country music. What is wrong with a black person listening to country music if he/she wants to do so? I never forced her to listen to country music. She loves Taylor Swift. That should be okay. Right? Not to the government! Her skin was too dark to suit them to be able to like Taylor Swift! (Although, there is a debate about whether her music is really country. I think it is.) I saved as much paperwork from her foster care stay as I could. I hope she sues them when she turns 18 for violating her rights. It'll be her decision though. What they have done to my child is wrong and I hope they don't end up getting away with it.
The government in some ways are more racist than regular people are. It would almost be comical if people weren't getting hurt from it.
My daughter has been attacked by both blacks and whites over the years. The beating she got as a child at the hands of these black kids was the worst. The cops never arrested anybody for it. I was so glad to move away from that place. My daughter was not bitter about it though. She is very loving towards others usually. She wants to be a writer some day. She reminds me of myself when I was that age though. She is her own individual though. I want her to be allowed to get away someday and to live out her dreams.
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Dammit, this kind of shit needs to stop between ALL humans.
Amen.
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Dammit, this kind of shit needs to stop between ALL humans.
It's been going on since bible days, unfortunately. Nothing has ever really changed but the terms used to describe it.
I hope this poor kid has a good recovery. It sounds like his little brother is really traumatized from it too.
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Can you clarify about the country music stuff? Was it her family who did the complaining? Because it seems... odd to me that the court should care about a kid listening to country music.
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Dammit, this kind of shit needs to stop between ALL humans.
Amen.
Ditto to that. mezuzas, my heart goes out to you and your daughter.
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Yet another example of why I am a deeply committed equal opportunity misanthrope.
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Can you clarify about the country music stuff? Was it her family who did the complaining? Because it seems... odd to me that the court should care about a kid listening to country music.
It was the foster care agency/foster parents going on about it. They said it was part of her "cultural issues." There is no trying to understand it really. You cannot make sense of the senseless. My girl thought these people were morons.
And it was 'determined' that I caused the cultural issues. It's kind of weird really about that. At one point I had as much 'black' music in my home as 'white' music. While my daughter was growing up, I had music such as Queen Latifah, Mariah Carey, etc playing probably more than the so called 'white' music. I was labeled a racist because I didn't like her father at one point. They had the attitude that I only disliked him because he is black. Okay, so aren't they really saying that if a white man had done those things to me that I would've had no problem with it?? Like a white man is incapable of beating and torturing someone?? I think history has shown otherwise? It is totally irrational and insulting to say that a girl/young woman would only object to being abused if the abuser was of another ethnicity.
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Dammit, this kind of shit needs to stop between ALL humans.
Amen.
Ditto to that. mezuzas, my heart goes out to you and your daughter.
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I'm really worried about her. She's almost 16 years old now. She's still my baby though.
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Dammit, this kind of shit needs to stop between ALL humans.
Amen.
Ditto to that. mezuzas, my heart goes out to you and your daughter.
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I'm really worried about her. She's almost 16 years old now. She's still my baby though.
If I remember correctly, there are ways to "emancipate" youth in some cases, rendering them legal adults prior to the age of 18. When she turns 18 you and her will be able to re-establish a connection and build a new life together, because you cannot legally carry over a limitation on visitation rights from childhood to adulthood. (When a child is "mature enough", then they are allowed to have more of their own say in the process, but they must be adults to actually have any legal rights.)
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*snip*
I would say that worthless waste of biomass(acknowledging he's a living creature is an insult to the lowest virus) should be shot, but that doesn't seem painful enough.
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*hits the stop lever*
Ok I guess I get to be the one to do this. Mezuzas while your story is sad and all....it's starting to smell like a Lifetime movie of the week. Seriously a lawyer getting disbarred for trying to help you? The entire town turning against you for how you raise your daughter? Your daughter suddenly turning on you after being taken from your custody? Yeah I'm sorry to say it sounds like you should be be played by Valerie Bertinelli and he should be played by Sean Hayes.
Ironbite-until I see something more I'm gonna say that this is just a story...a horrible horrible horrible story.
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*hits the stop lever*
Ok I guess I get to be the one to do this. Mezuzas while your story is sad and all....it's starting to smell like a Lifetime movie of the week. Seriously a lawyer getting disbarred for trying to help you? The entire town turning against you for how you raise your daughter? Your daughter suddenly turning on you after being taken from your custody? Yeah I'm sorry to say it sounds like you should be be played by Valerie Bertinelli and he should be played by Sean Hayes.
Ironbite-until I see something more I'm gonna say that this is just a story...a horrible horrible horrible story.
Am I horrible for laughing at this?? Now, it's not that I don't doubt Mezuzas's story, it's just that Ironbite has a point about it sounding like a Lifetime movie of the week.
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Stories like the OP's link are why I'm going to reject any attempts at redefining racism as prejudice plus institutional power. At least for now. :( Poor kiddo.
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Seriously a lawyer getting disbarred for trying to help you?
Actually, that makes perfect sense. If a party to a suit speaks with an attorney about the suit, even if that attorney is not hired, that attorney (and any attorney in that firm) cannot represent the other party. So if, as she said, her ex-husband contacted every attorney about the divorce, no attorney could represent her because the "other party" created a conflict.
The attorney who represented her after meeting with her husband broke the Rules of Professional Responsibility. Violating the Rules can result in disbarment. The disbarment in question probably wasn't permanent, but a temporary disbarment is a reasonable punishment, especially if the attorney in question knowingly violated.
The entire town turning against you for how you raise your daughter?
Again, this makes since. Small towns have a tendency to be insular, and people do take sides on issues. If her ex-husband is known in the town, the divorce would get a lot of attention.
Your daughter suddenly turning on you after being taken from your custody?
I didn't get the impression that her daughter had turned on her. (I may have missed something, though.) It just seemed to me that she lost custody of her daughter and the daughter is now living with her ex.
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*hits the stop lever*
Ok I guess I get to be the one to do this. Mezuzas while your story is sad and all....it's starting to smell like a Lifetime movie of the week. Seriously a lawyer getting disbarred for trying to help you? The entire town turning against you for how you raise your daughter? Your daughter suddenly turning on you after being taken from your custody? Yeah I'm sorry to say it sounds like you should be be played by Valerie Bertinelli and he should be played by Sean Hayes.
Ironbite-until I see something more I'm gonna say that this is just a story...a horrible horrible horrible story.
My daughter has not turned on me. She was begging to come home. We actually grew closer after she was taken. My baby wanted to come home to me.
If a party consults with a lawyer on a case, it can be considered conflict of interest for the lawyer to accept the opposing side as a client and is grounds many times for penalties up to disbarment.
There have been cases even more outrageous than mine. It happens a lot in this country. I have actually tried helping people before who had cases worse than mine.
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inb4 "But minorities still can't be racist"
Is Honky McCracker/Devil's Chaplin still around?
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inb4 "But minorities still can't be racist"
Is Honky McCracker/Devil's Chaplin still around?
Only on the main site comment section IIRC
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OP: Fuck these guys.
Can you clarify about the country music stuff? Was it her family who did the complaining? Because it seems... odd to me that the court should care about a kid listening to country music.
It was the foster care agency/foster parents going on about it. They said it was part of her "cultural issues." There is no trying to understand it really. You cannot make sense of the senseless. My girl thought these people were morons.
And it was 'determined' that I caused the cultural issues. It's kind of weird really about that. At one point I had as much 'black' music in my home as 'white' music. While my daughter was growing up, I had music such as Queen Latifah, Mariah Carey, etc playing probably more than the so called 'white' music. I was labeled a racist because I didn't like her father at one point. They had the attitude that I only disliked him because he is black. Okay, so aren't they really saying that if a white man had done those things to me that I would've had no problem with it?? Like a white man is incapable of beating and torturing someone?? I think history has shown otherwise? It is totally irrational and insulting to say that a girl/young woman would only object to being abused if the abuser was of another ethnicity.
Agree.
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I understand what both you and her are saying. It could just be that I'm reading it incorrectly, and I will admit that Mezuzas has already left a bad taste in my mouth with her story in the Santorum thread.
Between this: "This PC world doesn't want to admit this type of thing goes on though."
and this: "While I am still not a bigot, I no longer am blind to the fact that many black people hate whites to the point of wanting to kill them. "
I personally think cases such as these are quite rare in Europe and America where the majority of the population are white and thus the majority of racism is directed from whites towards other minorities. However in Africa the reverse is much more common. Unfortunately it comes with the misguided belief that brutally raping and killing a white family is not racism because it is valid payback for the oppression the whites caused. One of the local political figures admitted in court that in 1994 when South Africa had its democratic elections and the ANC took power that he was waiting for the signal and he would start shooting and killing white people. He had a gun on him at the time just for that.
Racism knows no colour. However, in this case, I cant help but wonder if there might have been more to this story. The fact that the assailants said that "this is what he deserves" implies they had some misguided reasoning behind their attack. The Nation of America has taken a bit of a concerning groundswell in racism because of the attention the Tavon Martin case brought up. It wouldn't surprise me is people completely unaffiliated start doing stupid racist things because of this perception of significantly higher racism. I would like to know more about this incident to be honest.
That said, this is clearly a hate crime, regardless of motivations. I sometimes wonder if a non racial society is even possible anymore.
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Just goes to show how bile, hatred and insipid fuckwittery know no bounds.