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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: dpareja on February 20, 2018, 11:54:30 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/18/iceland-ban-male-circumcision-first-european-country
Iceland has proposed to ban male circumcision, except for medical reasons or when the recipient of the procedure himself gives informed consent.
Naturally, this has various religious groups up in arms, to which I would point out that if it hadn't been for religions proposing this atrocious violation of bodily integrity and human rights (I use the terms advisedly) in the first place, and somebody just showed up now and said, "Hey, we should cut off male babies' foreskins!" we would laugh them out of the room (at best).
I would also remind you of the mohels who remove the blood after a circumcision orally (which is already fucked up), and consequently pass on herpes to the babies, who often die from it.
Of course, the best take on the whole issue of circumcision is from Hitchens, who regularly ripped into rabbis for defending the practice.
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Good on Iceland (assuming this actually passes). Hopefully the rest of the civilised world will follow suit in the not too distant future.
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I would also remind you of the mohels who remove the blood after a circumcision orally (which is already fucked up), and consequently pass on herpes to the babies, who often die from it.
This is a fringe practice, and one I consider outright heretical.
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I would also remind you of the mohels who remove the blood after a circumcision orally (which is already fucked up), and consequently pass on herpes to the babies, who often die from it.
This is a fringe practice, and one I consider outright heretical.
Slicing up an infant's cock in the name of your imaginary friend is totally reasonable, just so long as you don't suck the blood off it. Sure, seems perfectly sensible to me.
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I would also remind you of the mohels who remove the blood after a circumcision orally (which is already fucked up), and consequently pass on herpes to the babies, who often die from it.
This is a fringe practice, and one I consider outright heretical.
So I take it that you'd be in favour of--at an absolute bare minimum--throwing said mohels in jail for knowingly passing on STIs without informing anyone that they have them? (Up here, anyway, it's considered rape to have sex with someone if you don't inform them of what STIs you know you have.)
Never mind that you're performing an irreversible (this is the core of my objection--there's no way back; once the foreskin's gone it's gone for good) procedure on someone who cannot possibly understand any of the consequences and is utterly incapable of consenting.
And fringe practice or no, it happens, and it's fucked up way beyond what "regular" male genital mutilationcircumcision is.
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Good, be rid of that shit. More countries need to follow suit. At the absolute best, it is a largely (except in certain circumstances) unnecessary form of cosmetic surgery; something that should be performed on adults, like all other forms of elective surgery. At worst, it comes from an age where people would empty chambre pots into the streets and hadn't quite figured out the whole "don't start a fire in the middle of your floor" thing.
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I love how the "muh religious freedom" types are conveniently ignoring that a baby cannot hold religious beliefs or agree to be circumcised.
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Why does "my religious freedom" often translate to "my unwilling kids lack thereof?"
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Christopher Hitchens on ritual
genital mutilationcircumcision, particularly in Judaism:
...if you look at the reasons given by Maimonides and the other sages for the practice of circumcision, it is precisely to dull, and to blunt, the sensation of an organ which I don't think even, well, I'll leave it there. It's explicitly designed, in other words, to reduce sexual pleasure and make it more of a painful duty than a celebration.
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I guess I'm opposed to circumstition
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I mean. the title is a bit misleading. It's banning forced/nonconsentual circumcision. Not the practice in general
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I mean. the title is a bit misleading. It's banning forced/nonconsentual circumcision. Not the practice in general
Sure, I abbreviated.
And, in fairness, it doesn't even ban all of those--circumcision for medical reasons is still allowed.