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Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« on: May 16, 2013, 10:06:34 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFTX-j5h2oA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFTX-j5h2oA</a>

Basically, I left a random comment  on this video, and actually got a response back!
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Being an Aspie, I figured throwing in those references from my New Testament class would make it sound less like trolling.  I didn't know what to expect, just that it was going to pure fundie idiocy.  boggymark1 didn't disappoint.
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Comedy gold.  Bingo.
I figure the replies to my comments will make great material to post to FSTDT, I'm just not sure what exactly to post for maximum impact.
Maybe it's amusing to me because this is the first time I've personally argued with people that stupid-- with normal people, you troll by being batshit insane, not by asking educated questions.  With these people, being batshit insane earns you brofists.  I've heard about fundies ignoring logic, but experiencing it firsthand is different from reading what someone else posted.  It's like arguing with someone brainwashed by the Khmer Rogue; you just get robotic answers thrown back at you.  The question is ignored.  Evidence is ignored.  I'll post the comments up here if anyone wants.  Otherwise, I recommend just going to the comments of the video.

Again, the stuff is probably old hat to most of you.  Hardcore young-earth Creationism, I'm familiar with.  But the insistence that even the most conservative Christians, if they read NIV, are 'scripture-twisting fag-enablers going to hell', is new to me.  But I'd love to get some feedback on the conversations I had with Dumb and Dumber, a.k.a. boggymark1 and jjpetkusiii.

On the subject of music to troll 'em with, I was thinking some classic death metal.  Deicide, "Fuck your god" would be classic, but it's not that great.
The Christian death metal classic "Scrolls of the Megilloth" may be a good choice for the delicious irony.

Or, from one of my favorite black metal bands, THIS:
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Any other metal suggestions?
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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2013, 11:26:59 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFTX-j5h2oA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFTX-j5h2oA</a>

Basically, I left a random comment  on this video, and actually got a response back!
(click to show/hide)

Being an Aspie, I figured throwing in those references from my New Testament class would make it sound less like trolling.  I didn't know what to expect, just that it was going to pure fundie idiocy.  boggymark1 didn't disappoint.
(click to show/hide)

Comedy gold.  Bingo.
I figure the replies to my comments will make great material to post to FSTDT, I'm just not sure what exactly to post for maximum impact.
Maybe it's amusing to me because this is the first time I've personally argued with people that stupid-- with normal people, you troll by being batshit insane, not by asking educated questions.  With these people, being batshit insane earns you brofists.  I've heard about fundies ignoring logic, but experiencing it firsthand is different from reading what someone else posted.  It's like arguing with someone brainwashed by the Khmer Rogue; you just get robotic answers thrown back at you.  The question is ignored.  Evidence is ignored.  I'll post the comments up here if anyone wants.  Otherwise, I recommend just going to the comments of the video.

Again, the stuff is probably old hat to most of you.  Hardcore young-earth Creationism, I'm familiar with.  But the insistence that even the most conservative Christians, if they read NIV, are 'scripture-twisting fag-enablers going to hell', is new to me.  But I'd love to get some feedback on the conversations I had with Dumb and Dumber, a.k.a. boggymark1 and jjpetkusiii.

On the subject of music to troll 'em with, I was thinking some classic death metal.  Deicide, "Fuck your god" would be classic, but it's not that great.
The Christian death metal classic "Scrolls of the Megilloth" may be a good choice for the delicious irony.

Or, from one of my favorite black metal bands, THIS:
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Any other metal suggestions?

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Love your post. I have yet to read the whole thread on YouTube but I'm sure it'll be a treat. Those fundies are nuts, aren't they? I agree about your "Khmer Rouge" comment. They all become like talking-point babbling fleshy automatons, after a while. Pitiful people.

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2013, 12:00:55 am »
Nice. 
Say, Spukikitty, the replies were pretty recent.  Want to join in trolling these folks on YouTube?  The replies were pretty recent, so apparently the game's still afoot.  Getting other people involved would be epic.

My sister read these comments, and she thinks jr and boggymark1 are sock puppets of a single person who is deliberately trolling.  If this weren't a Kent Hovind video I would agree with her.  But we're talking about the seedy underbelly where Rushdoony, Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches, and Kinism dwell.  It's funny how one group of fundamentalists blames Hitler, the African slave trade, British imperialism, etc. on Darwin, who supposedly created the idea of a "master race."  The curse of Ham, creationist Confederate chaplains like Dabney, and the Christian Identity movement (David Duke, Aryan Nations, etc.) are carefully omitted-- not all intentionally, since most people are not well-read on these topics, but it's a toxic combination with the human tendency to focus on information that confirms pre-existing beliefs and block out anything else.

And then, of course, on the other side-- or, in the case of an Independent Fundamental Baptist, I'm guessing it may be the same people, what with Rushdoony and Dominionism being popular among the incomprehensibly shitfuck fundies, but I don't know for sure--we have...THIS:
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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2013, 12:53:07 am »
Nice. 
Say, Spukikitty, the replies were pretty recent.  Want to join in trolling these folks on YouTube?  The replies were pretty recent, so apparently the game's still afoot.  Getting other people involved would be epic.

My sister read these comments, and she thinks jr and boggymark1 are sock puppets of a single person who is deliberately trolling.  If this weren't a Kent Hovind video I would agree with her.  But we're talking about the seedy underbelly where Rushdoony, Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches, and Kinism dwell.  It's funny how one group of fundamentalists blames Hitler, the African slave trade, British imperialism, etc. on Darwin, who supposedly created the idea of a "master race."  The curse of Ham, creationist Confederate chaplains like Dabney, and the Christian Identity movement (David Duke, Aryan Nations, etc.) are carefully omitted-- not all intentionally, since most people are not well-read on these topics, but it's a toxic combination with the human tendency to focus on information that confirms pre-existing beliefs and block out anything else.

And then, of course, on the other side-- or, in the case of an Independent Fundamental Baptist, I'm guessing it may be the same people, what with Rushdoony and Dominionism being popular among the incomprehensibly shitfuck fundies, but I don't know for sure--we have...THIS:
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Stuff Fundies Like FTW!
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I don't know if I'd want to troll. However, I truly thank you from the bottom of my IndoPagan/Liberal/"Heretic" heart for the links.
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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2013, 12:56:29 am »
Apparently, I'm not the first person to piss people off by being "a useless troll," a.k.a. giving a reasonable challenge to these folks. 
But bart hill, if he's not purely trolling, seems like either a Kinist or Christian Identist.  Slightly different outlook than Team Hovind.  But note that he/it1 has less conflict with them than with JimDeferio and Tom Winchester (who apparently did the same kind of thing I did, without as much "for tel lulz" motivation.  "For teh lulz" encompassing the idea that, despite the existence of Chris-Chan and Sailormoonred1, and the fact that I'm currently an unemployed college student who lives with his parents and faps to furry porn2, at least us Aspies are far from the most idiotic people on the internet.


To extend my analogy further, what JimDeferio3 and I4 were doing is like Pol Pot's secret police having a mild debate with a lone Gestapo agent.  Then they scream in Cambodian when George Orwell5 and Murray Rothbard6 walk into the room.

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2013, 12:58:09 am »
Apparently, I'm not the first person to piss people off by being "a useless troll," a.k.a. giving a reasonable challenge to these folks. 
But bart1, if he's not purely trolling, seems like either a Kinist or Christian Identist.  Slightly different outlook than Team Hovind.  But note that he/it* has less conflict with them than

To extend my analogy further, it's like Pol Pot's secret police having a mild debate with a lone Gestapo agent.  Then they scream in Cambodian when George Orwell and Murray Rothbard walk into the room.

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2013, 01:03:51 am »
Also note that by "troll", I mean ask reasonable questions.  When people are disconnected from reality, it is VERY easy to get a reaction from them without being a deliberate jerkass.  It'll be fun.  And I think boggymark1 seems to be about done talking to me.  But if a new person comes in...
Obviously, he will provide robotic repetition. 
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But, the more stupidity we can get him to spew, the higher the probability of getting an extremely lol-worthy comment.

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2013, 01:49:51 am »
Also note that by "troll", I mean ask reasonable questions.  When people are disconnected from reality, it is VERY easy to get a reaction from them without being a deliberate jerkass.  It'll be fun.  And I think boggymark1 seems to be about done talking to me.  But if a new person comes in...
Obviously, he will provide robotic repetition. 
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But, the more stupidity we can get him to spew, the higher the probability of getting an extremely lol-worthy comment.

Well, it's really late at night where I am & I'm sorry but I'm not up to it at the moment. I hope I haven't made you mad. Sorry about that. That said. I welcome you to the board. I'm glad to meet you. Thanks for the suggested websites. I joined the one on Tumblr.

I really have to sleep, now. I can't keep my eyes open. Glad we could say hello.

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2013, 02:03:07 am »
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Well, it's really late at night where I am & I'm sorry but I'm not up to it at the moment. I hope I haven't made you mad. Sorry about that. That said. I welcome you to the board. I'm glad to meet you. Thanks for the suggested websites. I joined the one on Tumblr.

I really have to sleep, now. I can't keep my eyes open. Glad we could say hello.

Well, I'll be signing-off, now. Peace, Love & Pizza-Rolls, my friend.

I also have a Tumblr & DeviantART account.

TUMBLR: http://barbarella75.tumblr.com/

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And, of course, I'm SpukiKitty, here.
Thanks, it's not critical.  It's 0100 where I am, great time for playing Black Ops 2.  Expecting other people to join in at this point was as ambitious as expecting Rabbit of Caerbannog to reply to this post.
Hopefully other people will show up on this thread soon.  It'll be interesting to see what Dakota Bob has to say, if he isn't inundated with other messages.
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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2013, 08:20:32 am »
Fucking metal was fucking brilliant! MOAR.  8)

Oh, was this thread about Hovind?

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2013, 10:39:49 am »
Not sure why you chose to PM me, but if we're talking 'bout metal, here's some stuff I've been listening to recently.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9NESceABdA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9NESceABdA</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYZktLCBxjk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYZktLCBxjk</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cixczzF0A10" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cixczzF0A10</a>

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2013, 12:00:13 pm »
Nice. 
Say, Spukikitty, the replies were pretty recent.  Want to join in trolling these folks on YouTube?  The replies were pretty recent, so apparently the game's still afoot.  Getting other people involved would be epic.

My sister read these comments, and she thinks jr and boggymark1 are sock puppets of a single person who is deliberately trolling.  If this weren't a Kent Hovind video I would agree with her.  But we're talking about the seedy underbelly where Rushdoony, Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches, and Kinism dwell.  It's funny how one group of fundamentalists blames Hitler, the African slave trade, British imperialism, etc. on Darwin, who supposedly created the idea of a "master race."  The curse of Ham, creationist Confederate chaplains like Dabney, and the Christian Identity movement (David Duke, Aryan Nations, etc.) are carefully omitted-- not all intentionally, since most people are not well-read on these topics, but it's a toxic combination with the human tendency to focus on information that confirms pre-existing beliefs and block out anything else.

And then, of course, on the other side-- or, in the case of an Independent Fundamental Baptist, I'm guessing it may be the same people, what with Rushdoony and Dominionism being popular among the incomprehensibly shitfuck fundies, but I don't know for sure--we have...THIS:
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Stuff Fundies Like FTW!
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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2013, 05:58:31 pm »

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Holy shit.  This is something that could actually make the news.  I'm impressed by the people here.

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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2013, 09:35:57 pm »
Fucking metal was fucking brilliant! MOAR.  8)

Oh, was this thread about Hovind?
Oh, metal is very relevant!  What would you recommend?

We can't let Comrade Hovind and the Party members dominate everything, now can we?  I'm thinking of stringing boggymark1 and his fellow Bolsheviks* along for a bit, stifling my urge to rub my godless libertarian ass in their faces.  Then, at the end, drop the bomb and troll.  I think boggy's done talking to me, though, but if other people want to leave a comment on the video, we can keep the questioning, a.k.a "being a useless troll," going for a bit.  I don't feel complete yet; I haven't gotten him to say something profoundly stupid by FSTDT standards.  Not that his comments aren't already hardcore fundie shit-- if you read the comments, every time someone brings up a verse, boggymark1 replies by quoting a completely different verse, and the "goodness" of the verse he's quoting is supposed to prove he's right.  Classic fundie tactic, but it need context to be funny.  The Hitler comment came close but it's probably not the most aggravating thought in his brain.  I'm wondering if we can get him to say something that's batshit stupid without a lot of context.  Maybe get him to talk about his views on women, dinosaurs, and the "New World Order."  Notice that he didn't actually answer my question about whether he agrees with Hovind; when such a classic fundie symptom like that is exhibited, the most logical guess would be a definite yes.  I just haven't bothered asking.

All right then: MOAR songs I was thinking of!  I was too lazy to post the links last time, but I didn't feel like leaving a list of song titles to look up on YouTube would be very effective.
Love this song
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Some classic thrash.  First two chosen purely for teh headbangz, third song chosen for troll factor, fourth and fifth chosen for relevance.
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Re: Kent Hovind fanatics: NIV = Gays = Darwinism = Hitler
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2013, 09:54:06 pm »
Not sure why you chose to PM me, but if we're talking 'bout metal, here's some stuff I've been listening to recently.
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 Boring story of why I chose to PM you:
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So, any recommendations for the KJV cultists?
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