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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #315 on: January 09, 2017, 04:54:40 pm »
Come to think of it, Lex Luthor was elected president at one point. Oh, what I wouldn't give to have Superman show up and stop Trump.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #316 on: January 09, 2017, 07:26:30 pm »
Don't insult Lex Luthor like that.  He's actually fucking intelligent and is an actual self-made man instead of some rando that inherited a lot of money from daddy and then pissed it away on failed business ventures.
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« Reply #317 on: January 09, 2017, 08:58:10 pm »
..... You know, I think it's safe to say that the world is in a shitty place when you'd rather vote for the literal comic book supervillain over the actual President Elect. And I would.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #318 on: January 09, 2017, 09:03:33 pm »
To quote Jonathan Pie: "I'd vote for Lucifer over Donald Trump."
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #319 on: January 09, 2017, 09:40:16 pm »
I'd vote for George W Bush or Stephen Harper over Trump.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #320 on: January 09, 2017, 09:49:28 pm »
I'd vote for Porky Minch over Trump. Countless millenia of experience thru time travel!
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #321 on: January 09, 2017, 10:27:58 pm »
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #323 on: January 10, 2017, 02:44:58 pm »
Because calling everyone who wanted to vote for Trump "racist and sexist" worked out so well in 2016. That's why Hillary Clinton's going to be President in less than two weeks. And that's why there's a Democratic majority in the Senate.

...Oh wait, there isn't, and she won't be.

This. Trying to shame people into turning against Trump only helped him and the GOP. Doubling down will just make things worse.

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Measures of racism and sexism, and markers of social status such as a college degree, did a much better job predicting whom voters would support [than economic issues].

So, while it isn't fair to say ALL Trump voters are racist, there is actual statistically significant evidence that people with more racial animus and insensitivity voted for Casino Mussolini. Further, it is no secret that Trump is a shitbag racist. Other studies show how closely linked race was to Trump's election: (1) almost 50% of Trump supporters said that black people were more violent and criminal, with another 40% saying that black people were more lazy, than white people, and (2) white people became more likely to vote Trump when told that racial groups would outnumber white people in 2042.

What is more, while you previously said that Trump lost white voters, vis-a-vis Romney, it is important to unpack white voters as a group; Trump did better with uneducated whites than Romney by a considerable measure while doing worse with educated whites (and almost 40% of Michiganders and 47% of Wisconsinites are white without a college degree, IIRC). Finally, it has been known for decades that college education decreases racial animus and insensitivity.

All in all, I have no problem saying that racism and sexism played a huge part in Trump's election. Certainly more so than the economy, and maybe just as much as the Republican "team" mentality.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #324 on: January 10, 2017, 05:00:44 pm »
What's irritating is that if you mention the undeniable effect racism still has in modern politics people line up to tell you that accusing people of being racist "didn't help last time". Pointing out that something exists is not an accusation, certainly not an accusation leveled at Trump voters in order to induce guilt.The most conservative members of this forum, Hof and Conty respectively, can't vote in US elections because they aren't US citizens. Also, the 2016 election is in the past tense.

Pointing out how racial bias affects political behavior is not the same as accusing individuals of a moral failing for being racist much less asking those people to change their behavior, people's subconscious biases affect the way they vote and can have more baring on their voting behavior than their stated intentions. If we want to understand how Mr Trump got to Washington, welp the data suggests that racism is part of the reason.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #325 on: January 10, 2017, 05:10:20 pm »
My apologies, then. I've gotten so used to people saying "everyone who voted Trump is a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic nutjob, feel terrible" that I've developed a knee-jerk reaction. It doesn't help that being painted by the media as a bunch of said deplorable people is actually one of the primary complaints of my Trump-voting friends (as much as I can't stand their votes, they are friends...). Nevertheless, I seem to have misunderstood you.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #326 on: January 10, 2017, 05:17:09 pm »
My apologies, then. I've gotten so used to people saying "everyone who voted Trump is a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic nutjob, feel terrible" that I've developed a knee-jerk reaction. It doesn't help that being painted by the media as a bunch of said deplorable people is actually one of the primary complaints of my Trump-voting friends (as much as I can't stand their votes, they are friends...). Nevertheless, I seem to have misunderstood you.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #327 on: January 11, 2017, 03:08:00 am »
"It appears that some of the people who voted for Trump did so because they are racist."

"ARE YOU CALLING ME A RACIST?!"

...See, we in Finland have a saying "the dog that yelps is the one that got hit by the lump of wood" which, surprisingly is not about cruelty towards animals, and means that the original accusation wasn't aimed specifically at anyone so if someone does start protesting then it probably means that they fit the description and are trying to defend themselves.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #328 on: January 11, 2017, 05:22:22 am »
Finns need to work on their version of "fetch", your hounds will get head injuries if you keep that up!

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #329 on: January 11, 2017, 08:18:52 am »
Why are dogs getting hit with lumps of wood to begin with?
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