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Title: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 19, 2014, 11:13:13 pm
Something tells me this is going to be one of the biggest scandals in the history of gaming journalism.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ironchew on August 19, 2014, 11:15:25 pm
I have no context for this, so some links and summaries would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 19, 2014, 11:19:35 pm
I have no context for this, so some links and summaries would be appreciated.
This is a good place to start:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Sylvana on August 20, 2014, 05:09:56 am
So the gaming community threw another little hissy fit because some woman pimped herself out to get good reviews for her game.
It is such a non issue its astounding. All big publishers sweeten the deal with game reviewers. Of course they have lots of money to bribe as well as to pay hot marketing employees, but the principle is always the same. It is a very unfortunate truth of how business works these days.

Her only real "crime" was getting caught. That, and cheating on her then boyfriend, but that's really their own issue.

On a side note, I gave her game a poke, the music was immensely annoying and it lacked any real hook. It was more like reading a boring wikipedia article than a game. I think the problem was that the games narrative just lumped a character on you without letting you explore and discover the character yourself. it just gives you a textual background to all the ups and downs of that persons life, making them very distant and boring.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 20, 2014, 05:29:13 am
Something tells me this is going to be one of the biggest scandals in the history of gaming journalism.
...Really? If it were actual journalists, maybe. But this is Kotaku we're talking about. If you expect impartial reviews from then, well, you've got rocks in your head.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on August 20, 2014, 06:10:16 am
Biggest scandal as in "the most despicaple story" or "most talked about scandal?"

Because I think ME3 ending caused more talk and unless this starts to grow this won't be more popular than that one or any other non-story.

But yes, this is a rather sad story of corruption in game journalism. Not a SUPRISING story mind you, but it does show that game journalists (and this probably goes for other journalists as well) are not above corruption.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 20, 2014, 07:20:21 am
Gaming "journalism" really is a fucking sack of shit. I would hope that this would be the straw that breaks the camels back and forces them to sort their shit out, but I'm not that hopeful.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on August 20, 2014, 12:21:40 pm
Honestly, from what I've been reading we only have her ex-boyfriend's tale to go on.  No real truth she did the nasty with 5 guys in order for her crappy ass game to get good reviews.

Ironbite-fact that he broke this on 4chan tells me a lot.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on August 20, 2014, 01:01:35 pm
Also UP, next time you might wanna link to things that not a whole lot of people round here have even heard about.  Not everybody is like me and can read minds via computer.

Ironbite-btw...go to confession you dirty dirty dirty man.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on August 20, 2014, 02:36:31 pm
Also UP, next time you might wanna link to things that not a whole lot of people round here have even heard about.  Not everybody is like me and can read minds via computer.

Yea, I had no idea what this was about until the link.

Also, when I said this was proof of corruption in game-press... To be honest, the pure and simple fact is that some companies have bought good reviews for their games from some magazines/websites for years and that is pretty common knowledge.

Before the Internet, there also used to be a lot of "reviews" of games that hadn't been published yet. The magazines were competing over who was the first to review "Big game X" and rather than risking delaying their printing of the next number or letting another magazine be the first to review, if the game would come out JUST after they put their paper into print but before the next month issue, they would make up a review using whatever information and pictures were available before the release. Just pull some bullshit and write a vague review. (I think some magazine had a review almost a year before the game was eventually published.)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 20, 2014, 03:56:01 pm
Shit, if you want a prime example of how the industry fucks over the integrity of gaming journalism, look no further than this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgoDDh4kE0
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 20, 2014, 04:27:17 pm
Youtube, and Google in general, are proof that our copyright laws are borked and desperately need fixing.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on August 20, 2014, 07:56:25 pm
Phil Fish has made a ass of himself yet again with this, and I presume he did indeed sleep with Quinn.

I have compared my sex life to his, and I have yet to kill myself.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 20, 2014, 08:23:43 pm
You know, I may've heard somewhere that sex is good for depression. Maybe this is just Quinn's attempt at viral marketing?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 20, 2014, 10:23:11 pm
Shit, if you want a prime example of how the industry fucks over the integrity of gaming journalism, look no further than this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgoDDh4kE0

  I remember a shitlord name Spax or something a while back (several years) on youtube who, when anyone so much as mentioned him unfavorably or called him out on the fact that he was being a massive shitlord, would fire of DMCA claims out the ass to silence those who criticized him. Several channels I watched back then got hit and a few had to restart under new names, multiple times. Needless to say, this caused people to not only call him a much more massive shitlord, but also cite fair use and other laws during their videos, to make sure he knew the shenanigans he pulled wasn't really legal. This was all facilitated, if I remember right, even though he was kind of young (like 14-16 if I remember right, it's been a while) because he had a fake company and and a lawyer for a mom. Lovely little shit, eh? Of course, as I said, it's been a while and I might be mis-remembering thinks or confusing multiple shit flingers together. I wasn't very involved in it, and I was myself young at the time. I just remember the shit coming up on channels I watched sometimes and I heard snippets of what drama had gone on.

  For those curious, the channels I'm refering to are, amoung others, RandomDCE, Darknessthecurse,BigAl2k6, and He11sing920. I know at least Darkness and BigAl lost their old channels long ago and are now under different names. I think Darkness' new name is TheSaneRevelation. I happened to look DCE up the other day for nostalgia's sake, and while I found him still active, he had discontinued the video series I loved him for long ago. It's a shame Darkness' original channel is long gone, because he had a wonderful video tearing in to a fundy list of things that are signs that your child is satanic.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 23, 2014, 11:45:15 am
In related news, it looks like some good things have come out of this debacle:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/vivian-james (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/vivian-james)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 23, 2014, 03:28:39 pm
So it was /pol/s idea to donate to the kickstarter? so right now one part of 4chan is donating to a kickstarter to promote women in gaming, and another part is donating to Micheal Browns killers. hmm.

At least something nice came out of this shitstorm, that's what counts, right?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: starseeker on August 23, 2014, 04:56:38 pm
So it was /pol/s idea to donate to the kickstarter? so right now one part of 4chan is donating to a kickstarter to promote women in gaming, and another part is donating to Micheal Browns killers. hmm.

At least something nice came out of this shitstorm, that's what counts, right?

4chan isn't a united whole in the slightest. The non-/b/ parts hate and fear /b/, there's various interboard rivalries, it's a chaotic, anarchist mess and it's proud of it.

Though seeing /v/ do it doesn't surprise me, it's regarded as /b/ MkII on 4chan, due to being large and perpetually angry, enough that it has 3 child boards.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on August 24, 2014, 12:19:55 am
/pol/ is also extremely racist and other boards use "go back to /pol/" as an insult when someone makes a racist post.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 25, 2014, 11:56:09 am
The plot thickens...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMUb1TDDYQo

ETA: Long story short, Zoe Quinn may not be her real name.  So who is she really?  The jury's still out, but there is some evidence that she may actually be somebody named Chelsea Van Valkenberg.  Things such as birthdates, history, etc, seems to connect.  Why is this important?  Well, the Van Valkenburgs seem to be a very influential family, right up there with the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds.

This is is mostly speculation, but IF this is true, the rabbit hole is much deeper than we thought.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on August 25, 2014, 12:56:03 pm
.......HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE ANY FUCKING DIFFERENCE TO ANYTHING?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on August 25, 2014, 01:15:44 pm
This whole thing is stupid TBH.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 25, 2014, 01:53:39 pm
This whole thing is stupid TBH.

Summed up quite well.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on August 25, 2014, 02:36:49 pm
Also citation needed on that claim UP.

Ironbite- cause I don't believe you
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 25, 2014, 02:49:35 pm
Ok this has probably gone a bit too far but now if we can use her as a weak link to bring down the rest of the Illuminati this will all have been worth it.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on August 27, 2014, 02:45:17 pm
Most of the anger I've seen is a result of the apparent cronyism and suppression of criticism rather than the original issue with Quinn.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 27, 2014, 03:05:35 pm
Most of the anger I've seen is a result of the apparent cronyism and suppression of criticism rather than the original issue with Quinn.
Yeah, that's basically it.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on August 27, 2014, 03:28:18 pm
Oh so I guess I can now safetly ignore whatever UP posts on the forum due to him ignoring a direct question for a citation on his claims that Zoe Quinn is not in fact her real name and has some form of bearing on this situation.

Ironbite-GOT IT!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on August 27, 2014, 06:08:24 pm
Oh so I guess I can now safetly ignore whatever UP posts on the forum due to him ignoring a direct question for a citation on his c laims that Zoe Quinn is not in fact her real name and has some form of bearing on this situation.

Ironbite-GOT IT!

UP, you are aware that the very name of Rothschild is often used as a totemic folk devil by antisemites everywhere. This dates back to at least the 1800s, making it not a new trend in a antisemitism.

In addition, if there is any bearing to it...I may be interested.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 27, 2014, 06:40:29 pm
Oh so I guess I can now safetly ignore whatever UP posts on the forum due to him ignoring a direct question for a citation on his c laims that Zoe Quinn is not in fact her real name and has some form of bearing on this situation.

Ironbite-GOT IT!

UP, you are aware that the very name of Rothschild is often used as a totemic folk devil by antisemites everywhere. This dates back to at least the 1800s, making it not a new trend in a antisemitism.

In addition, if there is any bearing to it...I may be interested.
I wasn't saying the Rothschilds are evil, just that they're powerful.  I was merely giving a comparison.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on August 27, 2014, 06:47:29 pm
And I was asking for a god damn citation to back up your bullshit claim.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 27, 2014, 08:23:56 pm
Hey, Ironbite, I know you hate UP more than everything out there, but jeez, could you try being less obvious that you've got a vendetta against him?

Even if he does need to provide a citation, you're basically being a dick.  If I recall correctly, that's been against the rules for years.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 28, 2014, 07:49:50 am
That's Ironbite for you. He's like an angry pit bull. Not particularly bright, but viciously stubborn as all hell. Once he latches onto something, it takes weeks or even months for him to let it go. Naturally, whether or not everyone else, including the target of his vitriol, has long since moved on with their lives is entirely irrelevant.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on August 28, 2014, 08:26:43 am
And I was asking for a god damn citation to back up your bullshit claim.
You mean the one about there being a story of Quinn being a fake name? The one where he literally posted the video where he heard that story in that post and said that it is a crazy story without evidence to back it up and didn't claim that it is a proven fact?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 28, 2014, 08:31:36 pm
Only tangentially related, but not meriting a thread of its own:

So this article (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828) says: 4chan users hate Zoe Quinn because they are misogynists or antifeminists or something in that vein. And so to spite Quinn, they... donated a bunch of money to a women in gaming thing (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2). And they created a female gamer mascot that is entirely normal.

The article really tries to paint them as the villains, but I'm really confused as to who is supposedly trolling who here.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on August 28, 2014, 08:48:11 pm
Only tangentially related, but not meriting a thread of its own:

So this article (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828) says: 4chan users hate Zoe Quinn because they are misogynists or antifeminists or something in that vein. And so to spite Quinn, they... donated a bunch of money to a women in gaming thing (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2). And they created a female gamer mascot that is entirely normal.

The article really tries to paint them as the villains, but I'm really confused as to who is supposedly trolling who here.
TBF, 4chan makes no sense so it's hard to understand anything they do.

(I once saw someone posting about sending tampons to people to spite them.) 
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 28, 2014, 09:07:16 pm
I don't expect to understand 4chan. I'm trying to understand the reaction that goes "They donated money to a pro-women cause? Misogynistic bastards!"
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on August 28, 2014, 09:19:11 pm
I don't expect to understand 4chan. I'm trying to understand the reaction that goes "They donated money to a pro-women cause? Misogynistic bastards!"
Yeah, the reaction's silly.

Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: solar. on August 28, 2014, 09:21:12 pm
4channers are troll's trolls who trollishly troll other troll's trolls.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on August 28, 2014, 11:58:28 pm
Only tangentially related, but not meriting a thread of its own:

So this article (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828) says: 4chan users hate Zoe Quinn because they are misogynists or antifeminists or something in that vein. And so to spite Quinn, they... donated a bunch of money to a women in gaming thing (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2). And they created a female gamer mascot that is entirely normal.

The article really tries to paint them as the villains, but I'm really confused as to who is supposedly trolling who here.

...Yes, how horrible of them to donate money to charity. Because no charity should ever accept money from monsters like 4chan users, because...

...Hey isn't there some famous phrase about cutting your own nose off to spite your face or something? Was that a thing you were supposed to do or not?

Seriously though, /v/ is not one of the better boards on 4chan and when THEY are being nicer than you, you should really start thinking about your life.


(They did manage to accidentally send pornographic images to the charity organisation among the images of their mascot. Which is also pretty funny.)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 29, 2014, 12:36:46 am
"Accidently."
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2014, 12:52:54 am
"Accidently."

No, I'm pretty sure it is spelled "accidentally."

Or possibly "totally on purpose."
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 29, 2014, 12:57:25 am
"Accidently."

No, I'm pretty sure it is spelled "accidentally."

Or possibly "totally on purpose."

Hmmm, auto correct is saying it's the latter spelling...
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2014, 03:27:22 am
"Accidently."

No, I'm pretty sure it is spelled "accidentally."

Or possibly "totally on purpose."

Hmmm, auto correct is saying it's the latter spelling...

Yeah, now that I think about it "totally on purpose" is the most likely candidate.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: starseeker on August 29, 2014, 08:26:05 pm
Only tangentially related, but not meriting a thread of its own:

So this article (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828) says: 4chan users hate Zoe Quinn because they are misogynists or antifeminists or something in that vein. And so to spite Quinn, they... donated a bunch of money to a women in gaming thing (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2). And they created a female gamer mascot that is entirely normal.

The article really tries to paint them as the villains, but I'm really confused as to who is supposedly trolling who here.

From my perspective on another 4chan board, /v/ and /pol/ did it because of a 'even we have standards' thing. The issue with Quinn was a mix of standard misogyny mixed with a lot of anger at her hypocrasy, particularly about her calling the other women in gaming jam thing anti-feminist while advertising and taking money for her own event which currently has no agreed date and location and looks a tad scammy. So the whole 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' logic kicked in, by supporting feminists they don't hate against a feminist they despise.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy)
This covers it from the 4chan side of it,

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/816363-vivian-james (http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/816363-vivian-james)
And that's covers the Vivian James posts from 4chan and related stuff.


The entire thing's turned into a stupid witchhunt by both sides at this point.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on August 29, 2014, 11:51:52 pm
You know why I take offense to the Quinnspiracy? Because I AM a game journalist. Sure, I'm not paid for it, but I still do work in the field. People are calling it the biggest scandal in game journalism history, which is absurd, not just because there are other, REAL scandals, but because it's not about game journalism. If it was, Nathan Greyson would be the one that it was focused on. He's the one who allegedly agreed to take sex as payment for a positive review, he's the one who's actually IN the field of journalism. But it's not. The Quinnspiracy isn't about journalism, it's about slut shaming a woman for not acting how she's "supposed" to act. Who she sleeps with and why is no one's business but her own. If the allegations are true, then it IS a conflict of interest, but not for her.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 29, 2014, 11:56:55 pm
You know why I take offense to the Quinnspiracy? Because I AM a game journalist. Sure, I'm not paid for it, but I still do work in the field. People are calling it the biggest scandal in game journalism history, which is absurd, not just because there are other, REAL scandals, but because it's not about game journalism. If it was, Nathan Greyson would be the one that it was focused on. He's the one who allegedly agreed to take sex as payment for a positive review, he's the one who's actually IN the field of journalism. But it's not. The Quinnspiracy isn't about journalism, it's about slut shaming a woman or not acting how she's "supposed" to act. Who she sleeps with and why is no one's business but her own. If the allegations are true, then it IS a conflict of interest, but not for her.

There are some assholes slut-shaming her, true, but you can't tar all her critics with the same brush.  And it focuses on her because of the influence she holds and what she represents.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 30, 2014, 12:21:38 am
And it focuses on her because of the influence she holds and what she represents.
Also, she actively shifted the goalposts of this issue from simple cronyism to Tumblrina brand feminism. She's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 30, 2014, 12:38:25 am
And it focuses on her because of the influence she holds and what she represents.
Also, she actively shifted the goalposts of this issue from simple cronyism to Tumblrina brand feminism. She's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.

Still a lot more innocent than most of her detractors.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 30, 2014, 12:56:29 am
And it focuses on her because of the influence she holds and what she represents.
Also, she actively shifted the goalposts of this issue from simple cronyism to Tumblrina brand feminism. She's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.

Still a lot more innocent than most of her detractors.

Maybe so, but the detractors (I assume you just mean the MRAs here) are largely irrelevant to the actual issue at hand. MRAs and Tumblrinas will take any excuse to fling poo at each other, it's just what they do. Of course it's wrong, and it should be addressed, but that's a whole other topic. Like any group who'd hijack a discussion to suit their agenda, the correct response is to just ignore them. Quinn hiding behind the loons screaming "slut" and "check your privilege" at each other and letting them hijack the entire discussion and shift the goalposts away from the cronyism is a lot less irrelevant. It very strongly implies that she knows she's in the wrong, and yet is too cowardly to actually address it. Not to mention fucking a reviewer for the sake of some positive press in the first place.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on August 31, 2014, 03:06:05 pm
So, outside of the DMCA takedown, what did Quinn do that is anyone's business but her own?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 31, 2014, 03:16:39 pm
So, outside of the DMCA takedown, what did Quinn do that is anyone's business but her own?
Well, for one, she sabotaged a pro-woman charity.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on August 31, 2014, 03:23:52 pm
So, outside of the DMCA takedown, what did Quinn do that is anyone's business but her own?
Well, for one, she sabotaged a pro-woman charity.

For one, please elaborate. For two, what does that have to do with her alleged role in the alleged journalism controversy?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 31, 2014, 03:30:15 pm
So, outside of the DMCA takedown, what did Quinn do that is anyone's business but her own?
Well, for one, she sabotaged a pro-woman charity.

For one, please elaborate. For two, what does that have to do with her alleged role in the alleged journalism controversy?

1.  Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d6Q3VpqXyk

2.  That wasn't the question you originally asked.  Don't move the goalposts.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on August 31, 2014, 03:59:06 pm
1.  Watch this video:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2#home Project's still on. However, fair enough. Here's the thing, though: I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT ZOE QUINN. As I'll get to, the only investment I have in this is how it relates to game journalism as that's the alleged heart of the controversy.

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2.  That wasn't the question you originally asked.  Don't move the goalposts.

I'm not. I'm asking for relevance. The claim is that the "Quinnspiracy" is about corruption and ethics in game journalism, but everything about it has nothing to do with that. It's all about Quinn, who, I might add, is not involved in journalism. I want to know why it's being called a journalism scandal as any real controversy involved has nothing to do with journalism.

The closest thing we have to it being about game journalism is the allegations that Quinn slept with a journalist for positive coverage (as far as anyone can tell, he wrote a grand total of one article that mentioned Quinn and it was only in passing). The thing is, if the allegations were true, it IS a conflict of interest... for Nathan Greyson. Who Quinn sleeps with and why is completely and totally none of anyone's business but her own. Like I said, if the "Quinnspiracy" was actually about journalism and not about who a woman slept with, it would be focused on Nathan Greyson.

No, this does not excuse anything Quinn HAS done, but like I said, I don't fucking care about her. My point is that this controversy is absurd, at least in the area where the alleged heart of it is.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 31, 2014, 04:16:25 pm
1.  Watch this video:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2#home Project's still on. However, fair enough. Here's the thing, though: I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT ZOE QUINN. As I'll get to, the only investment I have in this is how it relates to game journalism as that's the alleged heart of the controversy.

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2.  That wasn't the question you originally asked.  Don't move the goalposts.

I'm not. I'm asking for relevance. The claim is that the "Quinnspiracy" is about corruption and ethics in game journalism, but everything about it has nothing to do with that. It's all about Quinn, who, I might add, is not involved in journalism. I want to know why it's being called a journalism scandal as any real controversy involved has nothing to do with journalism.

The closest thing we have to it being about game journalism is the allegations that Quinn slept with a journalist for positive coverage (as far as anyone can tell, he wrote a grand total of one article that mentioned Quinn and it was only in passing). The thing is, if the allegations were true, it IS a conflict of interest... for Nathan Greyson. Who Quinn sleeps with and why is completely and totally none of anyone's business but her own. Like I said, if the "Quinnspiracy" was actually about journalism and not about who a woman slept with, it would be focused on Nathan Greyson.

No, this does not excuse anything Quinn HAS done, but like I said, I don't fucking care about her. My point is that this controversy is absurd, at least in the area where the alleged heart of it is.
How is it any different from condemning gaming companies for bribing reviewers?

Besides, this stopped being about Zoe Quinn some time ago.  Now the focus is on gaming journalism.  Its hashtag on Twitter is #GamerGate, not #Quinnspiracy.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on August 31, 2014, 04:36:50 pm
1.  Watch this video:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2#home Project's still on. However, fair enough. Here's the thing, though: I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT ZOE QUINN. As I'll get to, the only investment I have in this is how it relates to game journalism as that's the alleged heart of the controversy.

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2.  That wasn't the question you originally asked.  Don't move the goalposts.

I'm not. I'm asking for relevance. The claim is that the "Quinnspiracy" is about corruption and ethics in game journalism, but everything about it has nothing to do with that. It's all about Quinn, who, I might add, is not involved in journalism. I want to know why it's being called a journalism scandal as any real controversy involved has nothing to do with journalism.

The closest thing we have to it being about game journalism is the allegations that Quinn slept with a journalist for positive coverage (as far as anyone can tell, he wrote a grand total of one article that mentioned Quinn and it was only in passing). The thing is, if the allegations were true, it IS a conflict of interest... for Nathan Greyson. Who Quinn sleeps with and why is completely and totally none of anyone's business but her own. Like I said, if the "Quinnspiracy" was actually about journalism and not about who a woman slept with, it would be focused on Nathan Greyson.

No, this does not excuse anything Quinn HAS done, but like I said, I don't fucking care about her. My point is that this controversy is absurd, at least in the area where the alleged heart of it is.
How is it any different from condemning gaming companies for bribing reviewers?

Because 1, sex isn't a currency. 2, the allegations that publishers bribe reviewers are mostly exaggerated and rarely actually based on factual evidence. Usually it's "I don't agree with this positive review, the publisher must have bribed them." 3. It's not. Again, the conflict of interest is on the journalists, no one else. In regards to alleged bribes, the responsibility is on the journalist to refuse the bribe and in regards to sex for coverage, the responsibility is, again, on the journalist.

Ethics are one of the first things they teach you in journalism classes. There's a reason for this. Game journalism does have issues with ethics, that's not needed to be debated. But that doesn't change the fact that it is the responsibility of the journalists to have ethics, not the responsibility of the people around them to make them breach those ethics.

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Besides, this stopped being about Zoe Quinn some time ago.  Now the focus is on gaming journalism.  Its hashtag on Twitter is #GamerGate, not #Quinnspiracy.

Except that it was NEVER about journalism in the first place. If you're referring to outlets refusing to talk about it, THAT'S WHY. It's muckraking bullshit, not actually journalism.

Not to mention that no, the tag about it isn't #GamerGate. #Quinnspiracy is still the most popular tag and #GamersGate and #GameGate are both about the same thing. It never stopped being about Zoe Quinn and shouldn't have been about her in the first damn place because, in regards to journalism, there is no real controversy.

EDIT: Here's the irony, the "Quinnspiracy" could have actually sparked actual conversation about game journalism, but because it was so focused on someone who has zero relevance to game journalism, that conversation will never happen in regards to this controversy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if this was about journalism, it would have been focused on Nathan Greyson.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 31, 2014, 06:20:42 pm
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money.  Fuck the professor, get good grades.  Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired.  Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life.  If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money.  Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe.  There are more forms of currency than just money.

Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet.  Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations.  It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world.  However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me.  Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: starseeker on August 31, 2014, 06:30:34 pm
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money.  Fuck the professor, get good grades.  Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired.  Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life.  If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money.  Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe.  There are more forms of currency than just money.

Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet.  Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations.  It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world.  However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me.  Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.

Even by journalism standards gaming journalism is corrupt. Most newspapers don't have all their advertising being for the stuff they're supposed to be reviewing/reporting on. Not to mention lack of editors/oversight etc.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 31, 2014, 09:46:14 pm
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money.  Fuck the professor, get good grades.  Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired.  Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life.  If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money.  Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe.  There are more forms of currency than just money.

Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet.  Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations.  It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world.  However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me.  Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.

Even by journalism standards gaming journalism is corrupt. Most newspapers don't have all their advertising being for the stuff they're supposed to be reviewing/reporting on. Not to mention lack of editors/oversight etc.

I just now thought about a newspaper having an ad for Enron on the same page that covered the company's major scandal.  ...That's both scary and hilarious.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 01, 2014, 12:55:53 am
Ravy I hate to tell you but Quinn got nothing out of "sleeping" with these guys.  Not even a more favorable mention on their websites.  Also we don't know if she actually cheated on this guy.  All we have to go on is some evidence that could be faked and is from a very bitter man.

Ironbite-also I thought Zoey Quinn was a lesbian so this confused the fuck outta me.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 01, 2014, 01:26:12 am
Ironbite-also I thought Zoey Quinn was a lesbian so this confused the fuck outta me.
You're probably thinking of Zoey Proasheck.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 01, 2014, 02:26:52 am
What are we even arguing about?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: niam2023 on September 01, 2014, 03:52:52 am
ZOE QUINN CHEATED ME AT POKER ONE TIME!

SHE IS A LIAR, A THIEF, A SCOUNDREL, A CRUSADER, A REBEL, AND A MEMBER OF THE NWO!!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 03:59:24 am
ZOE QUINN CHEATED ME AT POKER ONE TIME!

SHE IS A LIAR, A THIEF, A SCOUNDREL, A CRUSADER, A REBEL, AND A MEMBER OF THE NWO!!
SAPPED MAH SENTRY!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 01, 2014, 09:00:12 am
That guy from Firefly is getting in on the action (https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 01, 2014, 01:12:25 pm
This sums up so much of what's wrong with gaming journalists' mindset right now:
(http://i.imgur.com/Vm6yhGi.jpg)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2014, 01:25:37 pm
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130327195857/deadliestfiction/images/d/de/No_fun_allowed.jpg)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 01, 2014, 02:19:40 pm
FUCKING SERIOUSLY? fun is a meaningless "ideal"? What a pretentious twat.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 01, 2014, 02:39:45 pm
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.

Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 01, 2014, 02:46:04 pm
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money.  Fuck the professor, get good grades.  Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired.  Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life.  If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money.  Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe.  There are more forms of currency than just money.

Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet.  Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations.  It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world.  However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me.  Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.

Except that, like I said, Quinn got nothing out of it and, also like I said, if this were about journalism, it would have been focused Nathan Greyson. I never said that game journalism doesn't have ethics issues, quite the opposite, actually, but this entire controversy has NOTHING to do with journalism.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2014, 02:54:11 pm
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.

Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.

I think you hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 01, 2014, 03:18:36 pm
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money.  Fuck the professor, get good grades.  Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired.  Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life.  If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money.  Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe.  There are more forms of currency than just money.

Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet.  Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations.  It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world.  However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me.  Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.

Except that, like I said, Quinn got nothing out of it and, also like I said, if this were about journalism, it would have been focused Nathan Greyson. I never said that game journalism doesn't have ethics issues, quite the opposite, actually, but this entire controversy has NOTHING to do with journalism.

For once, I agree with UP. You're full of shit. The matter is that people are focusing on the "Five Guys" as well. 
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 01, 2014, 03:19:18 pm
I think you hit the nail on the head.

I always do. That or I hit the nail on the finger. My finger.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 04:39:33 pm
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.

Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
What do you mean "These people".
If you're trying to passive aggressively refer to Saskeriaadnfdsfa and people who follow her then this is stupid.
For one, considering saskgn-fuckit, the video game feminism woman has received rape and death threats that have driven her out of her home, I would say she is in full right to call herself a victim. 

And I highly doubt a stupid article from somewhere and a misguided petition to inconvenience thousands are proof that there's some massive movement to "Ruin games".


If you're referring to the No-fun article then, yeah, it's stupid, although ultimately irrelevant. 
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2014, 04:47:24 pm
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.

Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
What do you mean "These people".
If you're trying to passive aggressively refer to Saskeriaadnfdsfa and people who follow her then this is stupid.
For one, considering saskgn-fuckit, the video game feminism woman has received rape and death threats that have driven her out of her home, I would say she is in full right to call herself a victim. 

And I highly doubt a stupid article from somewhere and a misguided petition to inconvenience thousands are proof that there's some massive movement to "Ruin games".


If you're referring to the No-fun article then, yeah, it's stupid, although ultimately irrelevant.

Yeah, about those "threats"...

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/509fd40cfa2bfeda27e740e74c913532/tumblr_nazv9bc1Ki1ts18pco1_1280.png)

>last tweet is listed 12 seconds ago
 >she isn’t logged on
 >the guy’s account is now deleted, disputing how quickly she seemed to know he was tweeting
 >didn’t call the police or any kind of authorities, despite the ‘fact’ that he knew her and her parents’ addresses, instead choosing to tell twitter about it

0/10 would not believe
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 05:09:13 pm
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.

Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
What do you mean "These people".
If you're trying to passive aggressively refer to Saskeriaadnfdsfa and people who follow her then this is stupid.
For one, considering saskgn-fuckit, the video game feminism woman has received rape and death threats that have driven her out of her home, I would say she is in full right to call herself a victim. 

And I highly doubt a stupid article from somewhere and a misguided petition to inconvenience thousands are proof that there's some massive movement to "Ruin games".


If you're referring to the No-fun article then, yeah, it's stupid, although ultimately irrelevant.

Yeah, about those "threats"...

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/509fd40cfa2bfeda27e740e74c913532/tumblr_nazv9bc1Ki1ts18pco1_1280.png)

>last tweet is listed 12 seconds ago
 >she isn’t logged on
 >the guy’s account is now deleted, disputing how quickly she seemed to know he was tweeting
 >didn’t call the police or any kind of authorities, despite the ‘fact’ that he knew her and her parents’ addresses, instead choosing to tell twitter about it

0/10 would not believe
I had know idea.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 01, 2014, 05:19:35 pm
Ooookay then. I'll just stay out of this one.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 05:21:50 pm
Well, she did contact authorities:https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=504517458917470208 (https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=504517458917470208)
Not to mention, she has been sent some fairly aggressive posts.
Anyway, here's a link to the WHTM thing on it:
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/each-new-video-that-anita-sarkeesian-posts-is-a-sign-that-the-bullies-are-losing/ (http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/08/28/each-new-video-that-anita-sarkeesian-posts-is-a-sign-that-the-bullies-are-losing/)
 
My basic opinion on the issue is that the rampant sexism in the gaming community and games themselves is more important than the issue of Shining Jaguar Wang.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 01, 2014, 06:57:30 pm
>last tweet is listed 12 seconds ago
 >she isn’t logged on
 >the guy’s account is now deleted, disputing how quickly she seemed to know he was tweeting
 >didn’t call the police or any kind of authorities, despite the ‘fact’ that he knew her and her parents’ addresses, instead choosing to tell twitter about it

0/10 would not believe

Or... she received the first tweets on her cellphone, browsed "Kevin Dobson"'s page on a computer she does not own / use Twitter with, and took screenshots as each message came in order to catch the last one before the harasser predictably deleted his fake account.

Besides... say what you want about Anita Sarkeesian, but she certainly doesn't need to post fake doxxes of herself in order to claim harassment. What would be the motive for her actions? She felt jealous of the attention Zoe Quinn brought around herself and decided to pull the exact same trick?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 01, 2014, 08:36:17 pm
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.

Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
What do you mean "These people".
If you're trying to passive aggressively refer to Saskeriaadnfdsfa and people who follow her then this is stupid.
For one, considering saskgn-fuckit, the video game feminism woman has received rape and death threats that have driven her out of her home, I would say she is in full right to call herself a victim. 

And I highly doubt a stupid article from somewhere and a misguided petition to inconvenience thousands are proof that there's some massive movement to "Ruin games".


If you're referring to the No-fun article then, yeah, it's stupid, although ultimately irrelevant.

Yeah, about those "threats"...

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/509fd40cfa2bfeda27e740e74c913532/tumblr_nazv9bc1Ki1ts18pco1_1280.png)

>last tweet is listed 12 seconds ago
 >she isn’t logged on
 >the guy’s account is now deleted, disputing how quickly she seemed to know he was tweeting
 >didn’t call the police or any kind of authorities, despite the ‘fact’ that he knew her and her parents’ addresses, instead choosing to tell twitter about it

0/10 would not believe
I find it perfectly believable that someone, somewhere, sent her death threats. She's on the internet and she has a contentious opinion, which pretty much guaruntees it. It just happens to be completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

I'm reminded strongly of an instance a few years ago (2009/2010 I think) where Glenn Beck devoted airtime to talk about all of the death threats he's received and how he had to have a bodyguard with him when he went to the movies with family. Seeing comments sections full of people talking about how "those liberals are so violent!" and "they're angry because they know he's right" while avoiding anything of substance has severely dimmed my view of anyone using this tactic in a debate.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 09:03:26 pm
Well the problem is not just the death threats with Anita, but also the broader aspect of shaming and hate aimed at women in the nerd community.

So it's true the death threats were probably just some wanker spouting shit, the gaming community is still, pardon my Tumblespeek, toxic.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 01, 2014, 10:14:47 pm
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money.  Fuck the professor, get good grades.  Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired.  Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life.  If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money.  Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe.  There are more forms of currency than just money.

Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet.  Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations.  It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world.  However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me.  Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.

Except that, like I said, Quinn got nothing out of it and, also like I said, if this were about journalism, it would have been focused Nathan Greyson. I never said that game journalism doesn't have ethics issues, quite the opposite, actually, but this entire controversy has NOTHING to do with journalism.

For once, I agree with UP. You're full of shit. The matter is that people are focusing on the "Five Guys" as well. 

Except they're not. The entire conversation is about Quinn. If it wasn't, no one would talk about her cheating on her boyfriend because that's her problem. If it wasn't, the conversation would be focused on the journalists and why they allegedly slept with her. It would be about actually holding journalists accountable for their unethical actions.

EDIT: Upon looking more into this just to figure out what the fuck is actually going on, I've come to the conclusion that I have no idea what this whole thing is about. I still maintain that this started from a misogynist shit storm intended to attack a woman for something in her personal life and that the reason why the game media isn't/wasn't covering it is a simple matter of it largely having nothing to do with journalism, but the question is what the fuck is it about?

All I can find on it is little more than hyperbole and vitriol, as well as misogynistic false equivalency (including a comparison of Anita Sarkeesian to Jack Thompson), but very little hard facts and practically no explanations. As I may have spoken from a position of ignorance based on what I did know because I didn't realize that it became the mess it did, can anyone explain in layman's terms what the fuck is going on in the first place?

EDIT 2: In my research, I have yet to figure out what the fuck is actually going on, but I will say that the name Nathan Greyson has popped up exactly once. Furthermore, I see a lot of people taking Tumblr and 4chan posts claiming to be of people who are "in the know," if you will, with no citations or sources at face value.

So, I'm going to say that my opinion on this matter until someone can actually explain what the fuck is going on is that this is the result of a bunch of people who don't know otherwise making assumptions that they have no legitimate way of proving. The clear lack of proper organized explanation is not helping their case, after all.

The thing that sticks out to me the most however, is the complete and total lack of citation. There are no sources of any of the allegations put forth. I'm not talking about people citing things that go back to the beginning of the shit storm that we know to be truthful, IE, the DMCA, Quinn's actions in regards to the Game Jam organized by TFYC, etc. In fact, all I'm seeing on this is rhetoric, hyperbole and false equivalency. As well as quite a bit of misogyny, but as no one discussing this situation from any angle is excusing the misogyny, I think we can all agree that, while some of this reeks of it, this has built to become more about something else.

The problem, however, is that I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2014, 10:58:30 am
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money.  Fuck the professor, get good grades.  Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired.  Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life.  If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money.  Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe.  There are more forms of currency than just money.

Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet.  Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations.  It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world.  However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me.  Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.

Except that, like I said, Quinn got nothing out of it and, also like I said, if this were about journalism, it would have been focused Nathan Greyson. I never said that game journalism doesn't have ethics issues, quite the opposite, actually, but this entire controversy has NOTHING to do with journalism.

For once, I agree with UP. You're full of shit. The matter is that people are focusing on the "Five Guys" as well. 

Except they're not. The entire conversation is about Quinn. If it wasn't, no one would talk about her cheating on her boyfriend because that's her problem. If it wasn't, the conversation would be focused on the journalists and why they allegedly slept with her. It would be about actually holding journalists accountable for their unethical actions.

EDIT: Upon looking more into this just to figure out what the fuck is actually going on, I've come to the conclusion that I have no idea what this whole thing is about. I still maintain that this started from a misogynist shit storm intended to attack a woman for something in her personal life and that the reason why the game media isn't/wasn't covering it is a simple matter of it largely having nothing to do with journalism, but the question is what the fuck is it about?

All I can find on it is little more than hyperbole and vitriol, as well as misogynistic false equivalency (including a comparison of Anita Sarkeesian to Jack Thompson), but very little hard facts and practically no explanations. As I may have spoken from a position of ignorance based on what I did know because I didn't realize that it became the mess it did, can anyone explain in layman's terms what the fuck is going on in the first place?

EDIT 2: In my research, I have yet to figure out what the fuck is actually going on, but I will say that the name Nathan Greyson has popped up exactly once. Furthermore, I see a lot of people taking Tumblr and 4chan posts claiming to be of people who are "in the know," if you will, with no citations or sources at face value.

So, I'm going to say that my opinion on this matter until someone can actually explain what the fuck is going on is that this is the result of a bunch of people who don't know otherwise making assumptions that they have no legitimate way of proving. The clear lack of proper organized explanation is not helping their case, after all.

The thing that sticks out to me the most however, is the complete and total lack of citation. There are no sources of any of the allegations put forth. I'm not talking about people citing things that go back to the beginning of the shit storm that we know to be truthful, IE, the DMCA, Quinn's actions in regards to the Game Jam organized by TFYC, etc. In fact, all I'm seeing on this is rhetoric, hyperbole and false equivalency. As well as quite a bit of misogyny, but as no one discussing this situation from any angle is excusing the misogyny, I think we can all agree that, while some of this reeks of it, this has built to become more about something else.

The problem, however, is that I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS!

I hope this will enlighten you:

http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-things-need-know-gamergate-scandal.php (http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-things-need-know-gamergate-scandal.php)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:39:37 pm
That doesn't explain much.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 02, 2014, 01:21:41 pm
10: I can find evidence to the contrary.
9: Sure, but the vast majority of rape and death threats go to women.
8: Sure, but no one ever said it was ONLY men. The fact that they need to point out "it's not ONLY men" raises an eyebrow.
7: NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
6: Yes, but, as I've very clearly stated, the responsibility is on the journalist, not the person that journalist allegedly slept with. Not to mention that, again, I can't find any actually sourced evidence that supports this claim.
5: Citation needed.
4: NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
3: From who? Are you seriously trying to say that the evil game news outlets organized a smear campaign to discredit a "movement" that doesn't need help getting smeared due to misogynists intermingled with the people who are legitimately trying to make things better?
2: Like I said, there is no factual citations or sources to prove that censorship is actually going on.
1: NO SHIT SHERLOCK!

Here's the thing, sources are what I'm asking for. Proof. Citations. Whatever you want to call it, every claim I've seen in regards to "GamerGate" is unsourced or anonymous. Sourcing is a two way street. If the press makes a claim, you expect a source from them, but if the people make a claim, you should still expect a source.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 01:26:05 pm
My problem with the article was that it felt like it was denying the legitimate issues in the gaming industry and community relating to sexism.
And yes, most gamers are decent, but enough of them are dickwads that it alienates many female gamers.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 02, 2014, 03:31:59 pm
Shit, the assholes alienate a lot of gamers in general.  But, yeah, it does disproportionately affect women.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 02, 2014, 05:41:09 pm
That felt like a long winded denial of everything wrong with gamer culture as a whole,  :(

It is.

While trying to prove that, I quote, "the gaming community" is not "Saudi Arabia" "this hateful, male-dominated, cesspool", they showcase the very issues that were levied, often from the inside, by non-stupid people against the wider gaming community.

A considerable number of gamers have behaved and are still behaving in a problematic way throughout this clusterfuck. Get the fuck over it. There is a big difference between letting SJW Tumblrinas or the Gawker "journalists" strip us naked under the pretense that we are covered in dirt, and dusting that shit off the gaming community by ourselves.

Also - "/v/ – which is usually dismissed as a extremely misogynist part of the internet." Undeservedly so? Should we reconsider our opinion on Iran because they have a high proportion of women in tertiary education?


Really, this article is a good exposition of the dynamics that are going on throughout the so-called "gaming community", about feminism and inclusion in general. There are only two sides that ever matter, and both of them are absolutely full of shit.

I'm not even going to mention those on either side who go beyond the boundaries of uncivil debate. Those who extend their fanatic struggle to the private lives of their opponents through harassment, death threats, doxxing or assault. Because fuck those people with an Ebola-infected cactus until they die from a double whammy of internal bleeding.

On top of their ivory tower, you have pandering "progressive" journalists, social justice bloggers that may or may not have any interest in video games, and lying, confrontational attention whores like Phil Fish, who only seem to be in to throw insults at gamers. Those people have a narrative to sell for this kind of situation, and they are unwilling to deviate from it. The lone, brave hero has to remain as pure and spotless as possible, and the villains must be uniformly vile, hateful, and faceless. Sometimes it fits the overall situation well enough to count as embellishment rather than misinformation. Other times, they have to resort to cherry-picking and lies by omissions, pruning a complex reality in order to allow their narrative to stand out. And in a recent, notorious but altogether minor case... yeah. Unfortunately, this side also include those precious few developers that actually care about inclusiveness, people who genuinely feel marginalized by the gaming community (for all her flaws, this may or may not include Anita Sarkeesian herself), and actual victims of harassment from the gaming community (which definitely includes Sarkeesian).

At the grassroots, most gamers, along with the various figures that claim to represent them, grouped their voices in a glorious circle-jerk of xenophobia and persecution complex. Those brave people lead an endless crusade against political correctness (read, basic decency towards people outside their in-group), widespread stigmatisation of gamers (read, simple criticism of specific individuals, groups, games, or character depictions) and censorship (read... well, sometimes, actual censorship, but usually simple criticism). All of this with the gleeful support of the right-wing hate machine. Unfortunately, this side also includes ignorant 12 year olds that cherish the idea of belonging in and fighting for their own oppressed group (does that ring a bell to anyone?) and actual victims of harassment from the social justice community.

Not that there aren't a LOT of people in the gaming community at large who are very much aware of the issue but refuse to jump in either bandwagon. But these people don't matter at all. Silence, cynical comments or quick asides do not speak as loudly as the passionate diatribes of those that evangelize the ignorant masses and preach to their choirs. Sanity has no place in a clash of prejudices.

By the way, I could make an erringly similar commentary about the state of the English-speaking atheist community after the Elevatorgate debacle.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 03, 2014, 06:37:17 am
We need a massive scandal involving a gate, somehow.  That way, maybe people will call it "Gategate," and at least the recursion will be enough to mildly amuse me whilst the perpetuation of the -gate meme simultaneously annoys me.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: dpareja on September 03, 2014, 09:05:10 am
We need a massive scandal involving a gate, somehow.  That way, maybe people will call it "Gategate," and at least the recursion will be enough to mildly amuse me whilst the perpetuation of the -gate meme simultaneously annoys me.

http://thingsboganslike.com/2012/03/07/251-gates/
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 03, 2014, 09:26:27 am
(http://assets.amuniversal.com/28d6f7109a12012e2f8200163e41dd5b)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 03, 2014, 01:46:01 pm
Your wish is my command, Ravynous.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14089601-class-wars-gate-gate-scandal-swamps-uk-pm-david-cameron?lite (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14089601-class-wars-gate-gate-scandal-swamps-uk-pm-david-cameron?lite)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 03, 2014, 11:03:37 pm
(http://assets.amuniversal.com/28d6f7109a12012e2f8200163e41dd5b)

I thought the cartoonist hates the Internet.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 03, 2014, 11:17:40 pm
(http://assets.amuniversal.com/28d6f7109a12012e2f8200163e41dd5b)

I thought the cartoonist hates the Internet.

He doesn't, it's just that some of his characters do.

But anyway, Al Jazeera has something to say.

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201409032102-0024126 (http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201409032102-0024126)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 04, 2014, 06:00:25 am
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#gamergate if gamers are this mad about commerce infecting every aspect of video games, wait til they discover Everything Else In Society

Normally folks on the other side would get mad when somebody uses the "things are worse somewhere else, so why are you complaining?" line to them.

Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 04, 2014, 09:21:53 am
You know, before people blindly latch onto this "movement," maybe they should shows us that there is, you know, actual rampant corruption? I have yet to see anyone actually source their claims of corruption. Mostly the tag has been people insisting that GamerGate isn't misogynist and that there's no misogyny and that anyone who disagrees is the REAL bigot.

Anthony Birch (writer of Borderlands 2) made a good point last night on his twitter. He pointed out that he has a friend at Destructoid that reviewed two of the Borderlands 2 expansions, both of which he wrote. This being an example of a real conflict of interest, why isn't GamerGate demanding his head on a platter?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: LeTipex on September 04, 2014, 10:34:29 am
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate
Completely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?
(click to show/hide)

Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 04, 2014, 11:05:02 am
The reason Anthony Burch hasn't been getting as much shit because most people because the rest of us only found out about that shit when he just now kindly volunteered that information, so that's a stupid point on his part. I'm going to simply continue my boycott of Gearbox games after their complete shitshow of an Aliens game. Hope Sega sue them into the fucking ground.

Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 04, 2014, 11:27:37 am
There's also been about 10 hours since and, nope, no one is calling Destructoid corrupt and no one is sending death threats to Burch over him bein friends with bloggers and journalists (as well as a former writer for Destructoid)

Further, this shows my point that GamerGate supporters don't actually know what they're talking about. They handed an example of conflict of interest by Burch and their response is to largely ignore it. I'm not going to jump at calling misogyny, but it shows that there is a disconnect between their actions and their claims.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 04, 2014, 11:40:21 am
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate

Oops, it seems like the campaign of harassment and defamation we have led in the name of "GamerGate", is actually having a real, negative impact on the lives of people whose only fault was to be on the other side of the debate.

What should we do in response? Why, even more us-versus-them mentality, of course, with a new feel-good hashtag to show how diverse the people on OUR SIDE are.

I can only hope that the chauvinistic gaming-culture dickheads lose control of the situation, and get finally sent back to their Internet shitholes by the very same silent majority they have managed to raise as a shield around them - see what I did there? But there's no way this is going to happen, not the least because the various minorties that compose this silent majority are just as prejudiced and conformist as anyone else. Those lying fuckers are only gaining more credibility with the wider gaming community from the affair.

One last thing. Adam Baldwin is quickly becoming a gaming icon by spouting NewsCorp propaganda. That's all there is to say about the change in discourse that we should expect from the gaming community, what kind of mentality the industry might now cater to more than ever before, and how sincere this whole indignation against corruption in journalism really is.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 04, 2014, 01:21:45 pm
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate
Completely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?
(click to show/hide)

Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.

Nope, I'm getting the generic clouds-and-sky thing.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 04, 2014, 02:45:18 pm
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate
Completely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?
(click to show/hide)

Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.

Nope, I'm getting the generic clouds-and-sky thing.

Same.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 05, 2014, 03:39:55 pm
Moar drama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgW5NRUfs44

I... can't really say anything constructive about the potential veracity of those claims. This is nothing outlandish and the timing for the accusations kinda makes sense, but we should certainly keep in mind how prone for fabricated controversies the current climate is. You be the judge, if you're braver than me and actually skim through the testimonies.

Of course, the fact that this has jack fuck to do with the denunciation of misogyny in the gaming community will do nothing to deter the corrupt journalistic cronies from depicting their favorite fairy tale, nor the chauvinistic scum behind #Gamergate from using it for their reactionary agenda. After all, Zoe Quinn's story wasn't SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN about sexism, either.

Oh, and before any Gamergate cheerleader here may think that I'm being sympathetic with their circlejerk, just because I posted something that made the industry look bad. More evidence that Gamergate, not just the "side" but the conflict itself, is a hopeless lose-lose situation full of hatred and gratuitous brutality and the immaterial, frivolous, first-world-problems equivalent of current situation in the ongoing Syrian civil war. Admittedly with less infighting among the "rebel" factions and more unity behind the ISIS stand-in, but doesn't that really make it worse?

I would like to end this message with an opinion piece from a blog (https://medium.com/@upstreamism/to-fair-minded-proponents-of-gamergate-7f3ce77301bb). One that doesn't try to pretend being anything else.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: gomer21xx on September 06, 2014, 01:00:07 am
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate
Completely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?
(click to show/hide)

Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.

It's just your main Twitter background. >.>  If you have the generics, that's what you get.  People like you and I, who have custom backgrounds, will get those.

*offers some chips and dip*
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: LeTipex on September 06, 2014, 12:29:17 pm
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate
Completely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?
(click to show/hide)

Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.

It's just your main Twitter background. >.>  If you have the generics, that's what you get.  People like you and I, who have custom backgrounds, will get those.

*offers some chips and dip*
Oooo I do not have twitter. I was on my friend's computer at the time, and he apparently uses that background. Problem solved. Thanks a lot!

*digs into the chips, gets you a beer*
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 06, 2014, 06:38:03 pm
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 06, 2014, 08:13:28 pm
The #NOTYOURSHEILD hyperbole is waaaay to civil for 4chan.

Maybe if it was #NOTYOURSHEILDYOUSTUPIDFAGGOTAUTISTISTIHOPEYOUGETRAPEDANDKILLYOURSELF
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 06, 2014, 08:25:07 pm
...Is there a size limit for hastags?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: solar. on September 06, 2014, 09:00:02 pm
140 characters. Technically 139 excluding the hash symbol itself.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 06, 2014, 09:13:45 pm
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Cue Cloud having a hissy fit. At the very least, not any less than normal on the topic. Of course, I'm going by Murphy's Combat Laws on this topic. To be specific, Law Number 24.

Quote
Anything you can do can get you shot-including nothing.

It's words to live by, am I right?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 07, 2014, 08:32:49 am
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Full article (http://www.examiner.com/article/gamergate-discredit-gamers-with-its-online-abuse-aimed-at-the-industry)

More fuel for the hate machine called #Gamergate. This kind of shit is what led the gaming community to side with the once-mocked "neglected straight male gamer". It's depressing to see how some people are willing to throw their integrity into the fire and harm their own cause, just so they can obtain some notoriety from this whole madness.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 07, 2014, 08:41:28 am
More fuel for the hate machine called #Gamergate. This kind of shit is what led the gaming community to side with the once-mocked "neglected straight male gamer". It's depressing to see how some people are willing to throw their integrity into the fire and harm their own cause, just so they can obtain some notoriety from this whole madness.

Such SJW. Wow, I am rekt by this statement. Totally rekt.

Clearly, multiple people taking up a cause is the work of the CIS SCUM conspiracy that seeks to actively undermine the good of Tumblr. Good like this.

(http://i.imgur.com/Vm6yhGi.jpg)

After all, it's not like we're covering our asses or anything. No sir, we are not attempting to paint everyone who criticizes Saint Quinn as a misogynist basement dweller douchebro. Not at all, no sir.

Of course, we are all part of the vile Newscorp conspiracy. Aren't we?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 07, 2014, 08:59:10 am
Such SJW. Wow, I am rekt by this statement. Totally rekt.

Clearly, multiple people taking up a cause is the work of the CIS SCUM conspiracy that seeks to actively undermine the good of Tumblr.

... I hope that rainbow SJW bullshit wasn't aimed at me? You do realise I am pissing on both sides, do you? Leo Reyna is the one "throwing his integrity into the fire" by claiming that most tweets in #Gamergate and #NotYourShield are made by sockpuppets.

By the way, I think "Social Justice Warriors" and their "die cis scum" mentality are just as hateful and destructive as their opponents.

EDIT: Oh god are you fucking serious. Just because I'm not with you doesn't mean I am with them. You may have sacrificed your empathy and critical thinking for the sake of "picking a side", but understand that not everyone did. Remove your blinders. Also, stop being a dick.

EDIT2: Lol "News Corp conspiracy". That you choose to interpret my "spouting NewsCorp propaganda" as "Dark Lord Murdoch is behind all this" rather than "regressives are having a field day with this" says more about your mentality than mine.

EDIT3: I just realized that my phrasing WAS ambiguous, and that the integrity-throwing bit could be interpreted as applying to the gaming community rather than the author of the "fuel for the hate machine". Still, what the hell, Madman.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 07, 2014, 12:23:30 pm
Such SJW. Wow, I am rekt by this statement. Totally rekt.

Clearly, multiple people taking up a cause is the work of the CIS SCUM conspiracy that seeks to actively undermine the good of Tumblr.

... I hope that rainbow SJW bullshit wasn't aimed at me? You do realise I am pissing on both sides, do you? Leo Reyna is the one "throwing his integrity into the fire" by claiming that most tweets in #Gamergate and #NotYourShield are made by sockpuppets.

By the way, I think "Social Justice Warriors" and their "die cis scum" mentality are just as hateful and destructive as their opponents.

EDIT: Oh god are you fucking serious. Just because I'm not with you doesn't mean I am with them. You may have sacrificed your empathy and critical thinking for the sake of "picking a side", but understand that not everyone did. Remove your blinders. Also, stop being a dick.

EDIT2: Lol "News Corp conspiracy". That you choose to interpret my "spouting NewsCorp propaganda" as "Dark Lord Murdoch is behind all this" rather than "regressives are having a field day with this" says more about your mentality than mine.

EDIT3: I just realized that my phrasing WAS ambiguous, and that the integrity-throwing bit could be interpreted as applying to the gaming community rather than the author of the "fuel for the hate machine". Still, what the hell, Madman.

My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.

Yeah, dark gods's personal lives are real weird.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on September 07, 2014, 12:32:20 pm
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.

At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2014, 12:43:06 pm
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.

At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.

I think that would result in something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 07, 2014, 12:53:27 pm
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.

At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.

I think that would result in something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA

And now I'm reminded why I don't fish for food. Those innards...
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 07, 2014, 02:09:04 pm
Let's just forget all of this ever happened and go on with our short, miserable, meaningless lives. I think I'm out of shits to give about Gamergate.

My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.

At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.

I think that would result in something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA

"My wife would like that!" Oh, nineties, please never change.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 07, 2014, 02:25:12 pm
Let's just forget all of this ever happened and go on with our short, miserable, meaningless lives. I think I'm out of shits to give about Gamergate.

My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.

At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.

I think that would result in something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA

"My wife would like that!" Oh, nineties, please never change.

Yeah, let's make meaningless speculations about Half Life 3 instead!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 08, 2014, 02:31:41 am
Just found out what #GAMERGATE is.

It sounds dumb with the title.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 08, 2014, 03:00:35 am
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.

At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.

I think that would result in something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA

Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxVH5sKUlPg
Title: Re: Pointless Controversy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 08, 2014, 06:53:18 pm
I've switched back to my default role of a "neutral" observer, but a couple things amuse me about this.


What really pisses me off is the dishonesty on both sides, which makes it harder to cut through the crap. However, I've concluded both sides are full of dipshits and not worth listening to. At this point, I'm not even sure any review of Depression Quest exists by Kotaku which adds to my theory of it being yet another manipulation by 4chan.

Between this and Jontron, I'm getting worried. Tensions are rising and they're seeking a fault line. The Escapist is purging users left and right, Movie Bob is turning into a shithead and the internet's being dragged into a abyss of anger. It's like the time everyone found about the Armenian Genocide all over again.

I'm disillusioned with this shit and want it gone. Doxxing is everywhere, on either side. This only adds to the childish nature of this petulant argument . Hell, some of the dipshits are starting to consider RICO. Fuck it, let it and Ms. Cause Celebre fade back into obscurity and be the subject of injokes for years to come.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 10, 2014, 06:58:58 am
So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.

I'm shocked.

So very very shocked....

Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 10, 2014, 07:28:29 am
So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.

I'm shocked.

So very very shocked....
It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.

Which I guess is kind of a sign of progress in itself, in that gaming has moved beyond being the boy's club it once was, and now the hobby is home to social justice warriors as well as duebros. Now there can be a little more variety in the loud and annoying extremist fuckwit department. Whether or not it's an improvement is up for debate, but it's certainly a milestone nonetheless.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 10, 2014, 08:46:09 am
Need I remind you of the anti-Gamergate side's hypocrisy?  "Oh, we care about women and minorities, as long as they agree with us!  Otherwise, they can just go hang."

Not to mention the fact that this isn't about feminism.  They're just saying that do distract from the real issues.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 10, 2014, 10:24:44 am
So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.

I'm shocked.

So very very shocked....
It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.

Which I guess is kind of a sign of progress in itself, in that gaming has moved beyond being the boy's club it once was, and now the hobby is home to social justice warriors as well as duebros. Now there can be a little more variety in the loud and annoying extremist fuckwit department. Whether or not it's an improvement is up for debate, but it's certainly a milestone nonetheless.
It's less a war and more a confusing mess of dudebros pissing themselveves and complicated Twitter hashtags.

Eventually I just gave up and moved onto something else.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 10, 2014, 02:37:01 pm
So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.

I'm shocked.

So very very shocked....
It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.

Which I guess is kind of a sign of progress in itself, in that gaming has moved beyond being the boy's club it once was, and now the hobby is home to social justice warriors as well as duebros. Now there can be a little more variety in the loud and annoying extremist fuckwit department. Whether or not it's an improvement is up for debate, but it's certainly a milestone nonetheless.
It's less a war and more a confusing mess of dudebros pissing themselveves and complicated Twitter hashtags.

Eventually I just gave up and moved onto something else.

Once the dudebros and tumblr feminists destroy each other, that shall leave a power vacuum. finally I shall ascend.

The fire rises!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 10, 2014, 03:48:09 pm
In a fight MRA dudebroes would destroy Shining Jaguar Wangs with shear numbers.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 10, 2014, 05:04:31 pm
So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.

I'm shocked.

So very very shocked....
It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.

Which I guess is kind of a sign of progress in itself, in that gaming has moved beyond being the boy's club it once was, and now the hobby is home to social justice warriors as well as duebros. Now there can be a little more variety in the loud and annoying extremist fuckwit department. Whether or not it's an improvement is up for debate, but it's certainly a milestone nonetheless.
It's less a war and more a confusing mess of dudebros pissing themselveves and complicated Twitter hashtags.

Eventually I just gave up and moved onto something else.

Once the dudebros and tumblr feminists destroy each other, that shall leave a power vacuum. finally I shall ascend.

The fire rises!

YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A SHADOW. I AM FOREVER.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 11, 2014, 08:40:54 pm
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 08:54:49 pm
Oh shit.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 11, 2014, 08:55:49 pm
And now.... I am pissed off again. Cloud? I suppose you have a apologia ready already, because this is a doozy!

So in addition to making a shitty game, Quinn's guilty of fraud? I've tried to avoid insulting her in person, but really? 

EDIT: Quinn's going into full-on cover up mode, editing all of her shit. In addition, the Femfreq thing is interesting. However, I would like to note that Anita moved because of intimate information being shared on her twitter by a MRA poster.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 11, 2014, 09:02:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NK9ShBB.png)
ruh roh shaggy
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 11, 2014, 09:03:40 pm
Oh.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 09:04:33 pm
So who's Milo Yian and why is he able to confirm/deny a complaint call for someone?

Ironbite-pretty fucking sure that's all forms of ILLEGAL!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 11, 2014, 09:05:04 pm
So who's Milo Yian and why is he able to confirm/deny a complaint call for someone?

Ironbite-pretty fucking sure that's all forms of ILLEGAL!
Oh?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 09:07:20 pm
You cannot give out that type of information to the general public while there's any form of investigation.

Ironbite-it compromises all sorts of things.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 11, 2014, 09:08:39 pm
Do police departments actually disclose records of calls to the general public? So I can go to any police department and ask them is a specific person had any dealing with them, and they'd just hand me the information? Assuming this isn't a hoax, I don't think I'm okay with that at all.

Well, ninja-ed by no less than three fucking posts on the matter. So it is a hoax after all. Cool.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 11, 2014, 09:09:12 pm
So who's Milo Yian and why is he able to confirm/deny a complaint call for someone?

Ironbite-pretty fucking sure that's all forms of ILLEGAL!
He works for Breitbart.com, which makes me a bit wary, but as he's one of the only people involved in this mess doing any actual journalistic investigation, I'm at least going to consider what he says.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 09:14:42 pm
But again.  Freedom of Information Act only gets you so far.  An active investigation, which I assume the latest round of threats would fall under, wouldn't be available to the public.

Not even the shittiest police department in the world would disclose that...release a video that does nothing but slander a murder victim and try to paint him as some sort of brutish thug but release complaints about an active investigation?

Ironbite-that'd completely undermine any trust the public has in the PD...low as it is right now.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 11, 2014, 09:18:57 pm
But again.  Freedom of Information Act only gets you so far.  An active investigation, which I assume the latest round of threats would fall under, wouldn't be available to the public.

Not even the shittiest police department in the world would disclose that...release a video that does nothing but slander a murder victim and try to paint him as some sort of brutish thug but release complaints about an active investigation?

Ironbite-that'd completely undermine any trust the public has in the PD...low as it is right now.
My understanding is that they're not allowed to disclose details, but are able to say that something has been reported.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 09:28:00 pm
Even then...I don't trust this ass.

Ironbite-I trust anyone who's trying to do this less.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 11, 2014, 09:28:57 pm
Even then...I don't trust this ass.

Ironbite-I trust anyone who's trying to do this less.

Wow, I would point out how you're wrong but you just did it for me!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 11, 2014, 09:44:33 pm
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 11, 2014, 10:06:22 pm
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

As does twitter, dipshit. The evidence is there for you to look up for yourself, and verify for yourself by asking them independently. If you can allay your doubts about the truth of such allegations, you should in order to make a argument!

Jesus, has every reasonable person on this forum gone crazy over this shit?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 11, 2014, 10:48:50 pm
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

As does twitter, dipshit. The evidence is there for you to look up for yourself, and verify for yourself by asking them independently. If you can allay your doubts about the truth of such allegations, you should in order to make a argument!

Jesus, has every reasonable person on this forum gone crazy over this shit?

So far, you're the only person I've seen who's gone crazy.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do on Twitter.  Go up to Milo and ask "Hey, did you photoshop that image you posted to make it say what you want?"
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 11, 2014, 11:05:43 pm
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

As does twitter, dipshit. The evidence is there for you to look up for yourself, and verify for yourself by asking them independently. If you can allay your doubts about the truth of such allegations, you should in order to make a argument!

Jesus, has every reasonable person on this forum gone crazy over this shit?

So far, you're the only person I've seen who's gone crazy.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do on Twitter.  Go up to Milo and ask "Hey, did you photoshop that image you posted to make it say what you want?"

My apologies, I just realized that the social media picture used in the picture I'm referring to is Facebook. I wasn't talking about the Anita thing, merely the Quinn lying about donations thing.

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/828/455/596.png)

This one. It should easy to verify it via Mr. Schaeffer or Ifred. That is all.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 11, 2014, 11:06:54 pm
And now.... I am pissed off again. Cloud? I suppose you have a apologia ready already, because this is a doozy!

So in addition to making a shitty game, Quinn's guilty of fraud? I've tried to avoid insulting her in person, but really? 

Apology for what? How many times do I have to say that I don't fucking care about Quinn. This whole Quinnspiracy and GamerGate thing is fucking stupid as it not only started as a means to slut shame someone (her actual crimes notwithstanding and completely irrelevant to the discussion of journalistic ethics), even the well meaning people involved can't source their claims of corruption from anything other than completely anonymous Tumblr and 4chan posts that claim to be "in the know."

Here's how easy it is to fake an anonymous post:

I work for a site that I can't name out of fear of losing my job. My editor is pissed because the world knows he's been working with other sites to keep his secret dealings quiet.

It's that simple. These are the only kind of sources I see GamerGate supporters citing. These are not sources and are not verifiable facts. And, no, cherry picked posts from #NotYourShield are neither proof of corruption or relevant. The fact is that they have no verifiable proof and won't get any as this allegedly widespread corruption is not likely to be even half as widespread as they claim.

I'm not some social justice warrior white knighting against what I perceive to be an oppressed group, I'm a rational person who sees that GamerGate was built on a harassment campaign and that it never stopped being one, it just got a lot of well meaning folks who don't know any better to hop on the bandwagon so the assholes in it can use them as a shield. To the ultimate irony of the "#NotYourShield" tag.

There is discussion to be had. We've seen legitimate examples of conflicts of interest and corruption in game journalism. Geoff Keighly, anyone? GamerGate is not out for that discussion. I'm not even sure what it IS out to do anymore. I think there's a reason some people who otherwise supported it have abandoned it and started using "#GameEthics" to actually discuss ethics in game journalism. Of course, as I haven't been paying attention to #GameEthics, that could have been hijacked by GamerGate for all I know, but my point stands that well intentioned people who understand that GamerGate isn't the righteous movement it claims to be are going elsewhere.

EDIT: And just so we're clear, I'm also not defending the people actively fighting against GamerGate and saying that gamers are awful and that gaming culture is awful and that anyone who supports GamerGate is a white male misogynist and there's no exception. I honestly think the #NotYourShield tag picked up because the well meaning folks do want to make a point against that, but it doesn't change what GamerGate is.

Not to mention that I don't care about the toxic parts of the gaming community, at least not in regards to the alleged issue of corruption in game journalism. I've said it before and I'll say it again, my only investment in this is how it pertains to journalism because that's the alleged heart of the matter.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 11, 2014, 11:18:14 pm
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

As does twitter, dipshit. The evidence is there for you to look up for yourself, and verify for yourself by asking them independently. If you can allay your doubts about the truth of such allegations, you should in order to make a argument!

Jesus, has every reasonable person on this forum gone crazy over this shit?

So far, you're the only person I've seen who's gone crazy.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do on Twitter.  Go up to Milo and ask "Hey, did you photoshop that image you posted to make it say what you want?"

My apologies, I just realized that the social media picture used in the picture I'm referring to is Facebook. I wasn't talking about the Anita thing, merely the Quinn lying about donations thing.

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/828/455/596.png)

This one. It should easy to verify it via Mr. Schaeffer or Ifred. That is all.
It's funny how all Quinn's most vocal detractors focus on her gender despite shit like this.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Beezlebub on September 12, 2014, 12:49:52 am
Honestly the detractors should focus on her actual manipulation, and not her (alleged) sleeping around.

Seriously, this isn't the tabloids....
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 12, 2014, 07:31:53 am
So, little Madman gets the joy of his own personal pissing contest.  By the pig, I wish I had some booze to watch this shit with...best I got is a Rockstar.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 12, 2014, 08:03:08 am
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

And let's not forget the hypocrisy of gaming journalism.  Despite their demands for more diversity and calling gamers intolerant, gaming journalism is full of white male cishets.

https://medium.com/@cainejw/on-diversity-in-games-media-245336e7c50 (https://medium.com/@cainejw/on-diversity-in-games-media-245336e7c50)

Hey, morons.  Maybe you should practice what you preach.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 12, 2014, 08:28:16 am
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

A proven liar about what?

If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 12, 2014, 08:35:36 am
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

A proven liar about what?

If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Well, let's see:

1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.

2. She stole footage for her web series.

3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.

4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.

And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 12, 2014, 09:00:21 am
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

A proven liar about what?

If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Well, let's see:

1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.

2. She stole footage for her web series.

3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.

4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.

We're not getting into this debate again, UP. Leave me out of this.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 12, 2014, 09:07:41 am
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

A proven liar about what?

If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Well, let's see:

1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.

2. She stole footage for her web series.

3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.

4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.

And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.

1. What was all that about anyways?

2. Bad, yes, but that doesn't make her a liar.

3. [citation needed]

4. How so?

Bearing in mind that even if all of the above is true, I'd put more value in her word than anyone affiliated with Breitbart.

@Madman

He wasn't including you to begin with, he was responding to me.

What the hell is wrong with you anyways?  You jump all over me and Ironbite because you thought we were responding to a different issue from the one we were actually responding to, and now you're taking someone else's response to me very personally.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ironchew on September 12, 2014, 09:13:29 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7LD7S9d.gif)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 12, 2014, 10:22:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7LD7S9d.gif)
Admin, plz ban ironchew.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on September 12, 2014, 10:33:30 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7LD7S9d.gif)
Admin, plz ban ironchew.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/ziLcI.gif)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 12, 2014, 10:39:27 am
Same shit, different day.

A woman dares tread on the precious territory of the male gamer and suddenly she becomes the worst villian ever.

Male producers, critics, reviewers and random entities get involved in something of a even a remotely similiar nature, the blow out is 'nothing' by comparison. I have no doubt if a male developer was to sleep with a female reviewer, then suddenly it would be the female reviewers fault.

There is a set of over priveleged, whiney male gamers who have never gotten beyond the girls are icky and want to ruin our fun stage.

 It needs to stop. It's stupid, pathetic and completely counter-productive.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 12, 2014, 10:41:52 am
Same shit, different day.

A woman dares tread on the precious territory of the male gamer and suddenly she becomes the worst villian ever.

Male producers, critics, reviewers and random entities get involved in something of a even a remotely similiar nature, the blow out is 'nothing' by comparison. I have no doubt if a male developer was to sleep with a female reviewer, then suddenly it would be the female reviewers fault.

There is a set of over priveleged, whiney male gamers who have never gotten beyond the girls are icky and want to ruin our fun stage.

 It needs to stop. It's stupid, pathetic and completely counter-productive.

Yes, because trading a shag for a good review is totally the same as pathetic schoolyard bullshit, and not in any way indicative of a larger problem in journalism in general.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 12, 2014, 11:00:11 am
Well, when this particular set of male gamers stop acting like they are in the schoolyard, then maybe I will stop using that comparison?

As for your second point, yes, I absolutely agree that there is a larger issue at hand with the gaming media and review 'industry', My point stands that, if a male reviewer/developer/shill were to do something similar, they would not get anything like the same amount of flak, because of the previously mentioned group of male gamers who don't want to share their toys with the girls.

They no doubt represent a minority of the community, but minorities like this always project their voices in the loudest, most obnoxious fashion, which gives them far more representation than they should have.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 12, 2014, 11:24:25 am
The shagging is alleged from what I can tell, and even if it was real it never amounted to anything besides a passing mention of her.

I do agree with game journalism being corrupt.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 12, 2014, 11:26:17 am
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

A proven liar about what?

If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Well, let's see:

1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.

2. She stole footage for her web series.

3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.

4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.

And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
Could you source 1 plz?

Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 12, 2014, 12:14:08 pm
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

A proven liar about what?

If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Well, let's see:

1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.

2. She stole footage for her web series.

3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.

4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.

And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
Could you source 1 plz?
Sure.  Here: http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html (http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Beezlebub on September 12, 2014, 12:54:26 pm
About that iFred stuff...


https://www.facebook.com/ifredorg/posts/373372282788073 (https://www.facebook.com/ifredorg/posts/373372282788073)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 12, 2014, 01:26:36 pm
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.

Photoshop exists.

You know who else is a proven liar?  Anita.

A proven liar about what?

If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Well, let's see:

1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.

2. She stole footage for her web series.

3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.

4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.

And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
Could you source 1 plz?
Sure.  Here: http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html (http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html)
Thx.

Again, there's lot's of good scandals with her, yet the internet never focuses on them.
There almost as bad as house republicans.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 12, 2014, 02:22:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LNJs1PV.png)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 12, 2014, 03:35:39 pm
I'm on mobile, what new assfuckery is playing out now?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 12, 2014, 03:49:14 pm
I'm on mobile, what new assfuckery is playing out now?

Anita isn't working with the SFPD, but the case was passed off to the FBI.  Probably because the harassment is going across state lines, and when that happens, the feds tend to get a little irate.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 12, 2014, 04:08:59 pm
Okay now this Milo guy confuses me.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 12, 2014, 05:24:14 pm
Same shit, different day.

A woman dares tread on the precious territory of the male gamer and suddenly she becomes the worst villian ever.

Male producers, critics, reviewers and random entities get involved in something of a even a remotely similiar nature, the blow out is 'nothing' by comparison. I have no doubt if a male developer was to sleep with a female reviewer, then suddenly it would be the female reviewers fault.

There is a set of over priveleged, whiney male gamers who have never gotten beyond the girls are icky and want to ruin our fun stage.

 It needs to stop. It's stupid, pathetic and completely counter-productive.

Yes, because trading a shag for a good review is totally the same as pathetic schoolyard bullshit, and not in any way indicative of a larger problem in journalism in general.

Cept she didn't trade a shag for a good review.  In fact, her game was barely mentioned in the review site in question.  Just a passing reference.

Ironbite-probably not that good a shag.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 12, 2014, 06:09:50 pm
Ey, the skill requirement goes for both sides.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 12, 2014, 07:43:46 pm
About that iFred stuff...


https://www.facebook.com/ifredorg/posts/373372282788073 (https://www.facebook.com/ifredorg/posts/373372282788073)

Thank you for the update. Back to neutral mode, which is most likely where you all prefer me.

As for the other thing, I'm sorry if I got confused and went into attack mode. My sincere apology, Magus. The Anita thing is a argument I can predict from the first post.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 13, 2014, 08:13:17 am
Same shit, different day.

A woman dares tread on the precious territory of the male gamer and suddenly she becomes the worst villian ever.

Male producers, critics, reviewers and random entities get involved in something of a even a remotely similiar nature, the blow out is 'nothing' by comparison. I have no doubt if a male developer was to sleep with a female reviewer, then suddenly it would be the female reviewers fault.

There is a set of over priveleged, whiney male gamers who have never gotten beyond the girls are icky and want to ruin our fun stage.

 It needs to stop. It's stupid, pathetic and completely counter-productive.

Yes, because trading a shag for a good review is totally the same as pathetic schoolyard bullshit, and not in any way indicative of a larger problem in journalism in general.

Cept she didn't trade a shag for a good review.  In fact, her game was barely mentioned in the review site in question.  Just a passing reference.

Ironbite-probably not that good a shag.

Seriously? A massive blowup over something that for all intents and purposes did not even happen? good grief.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 13, 2014, 12:38:14 pm
ALSO!  We only have her ex's word she slept with 5 guys while in a relationship with him.  Only this one cock munch who came out with this.  There hasn't been any confirmation that Zoe Quinn or the people she's accused of sleeping actually did get to have a massive amount of fries while in bed.

Ironbite-Photoshop does exist for a reason.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 13, 2014, 04:22:07 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/829/540/90b.jpg)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 13, 2014, 06:11:44 pm
Make it stop.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 13, 2014, 06:54:06 pm
Only the dead can know peace from this evil, Lizard. Only the dead.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 13, 2014, 08:13:25 pm
And then you guys wonder why I think GamerGate should go jump in a lake and die.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 13, 2014, 08:32:17 pm
And then you guys wonder why I think GamerGate should go jump in a lake and die.

*Face tentacle*

Wow. Cloud apparently didn't even use critical thinking here and just saw the image, immediately going into "HATE HATE HATE" mode. The SJW trolls in that picture are not only incredibly obvious, they're painfully obvious.

Of course, if they're serious...that's 10 times worse.

But tell me, Cloud. Did you even bother to look in the upper left corner? Of course not, who am I kidding?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 15, 2014, 09:13:12 am
That is the same kind of rhetoric I've seen spewed out unironically from both sides of the debacle. You call it obvious trolling, I see it as more reason GamerGate is fucking idiotic.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 15, 2014, 09:37:05 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d680c4ff2e24bacdb4050b957852ccf4/tumblr_mkpd87xmbR1rks9x0o1_500.gif)

The shit, it just...keeps...flowing...
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Sleepy on September 16, 2014, 04:38:13 pm
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 16, 2014, 05:18:18 pm
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.
You really expect her to give an unbiased account? 

The article likes to paint Quinn as some kind of hero or martyr for standing up to "misogynistic gamers" but makes no mention anywhere of the fact that she torpedoed a women's gaming charity because she didn't like them, or of the fact that these supposedly misogynistic 4chan users donated thousands of dollars to the same organization to repair the damage that Zoe Quinn did to them.  Zoe Quinn is not a victim of misogyny, she is someone who got caught doing something wrong and cried misogyny to protect herself.  Unfortunately, sites like Cracked seemed to do no research beyond the sexism angle that Quinn likes to claim.  They show misogynistic tweets from GamerGate advocates that are supposed to prove that the entire movement is hateful (though there are far more tweets, such as #notyourshield, that would show that the movement is more concerned with Quinn's actions than her gender) yet don't show the abusive and bigoted tweets that her supporters have sent out, such as one that told a woman that she had a "cavernous" vagina when she criticized Quinn on Twitter.  Very disappointed that Cracked ran this with no consideration whatsoever toward the truth.

All she's doing is distracting from the actual issues and simultaneously making it more difficult for real victims of misogyny. 

Zoe Quinn is not a modern-day Joan of Arc.  Does she deserve harassment?  No.  However, criticizing what she did is neither harassment nor misogyny.  And if she can't handle this, that says more about her than it does about GamerGate.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 16, 2014, 08:25:56 pm
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.
Psychic prediction: She makes it all out to be centered purely around her weeks after she ceased to be relevant, no mention is made of the abuse comitted by anti-gamergate people, and there are frequent allusions to generic nerd stereotypes throughout the article.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 16, 2014, 08:36:41 pm
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.
Psychic prediction: She makes it all out to be centered purely around her weeks after she ceased to be relevant, no mention is made of the abuse comitted by anti-gamergate people, and there are frequent allusions to generic nerd stereotypes throughout the article.
Huh? I never heard about anti-gamergate abuse?
I have heard variouse horror Tories relating to 4chan and some "raid" they planned. Also some tf2 links used as, uh, death threats?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 16, 2014, 09:22:28 pm
You know what this thing is?  It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible.  Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.

Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 16, 2014, 09:28:49 pm
You know what this thing is?  It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible.  Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.

Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.

One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 16, 2014, 10:44:44 pm
You know what this thing is?  It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible.  Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.

Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.

One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.

Unfortunately, that happened long before the conspiracy around Quinn.

Such as when several gamers raged because one of the lead developers for the spiritual successor to Megaman was a woman.

Men crying about feminism never ceases to be simultaneously hilarious and frustrating.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 16, 2014, 10:51:36 pm
You know what this thing is?  It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible.  Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.

Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.

One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.

Unfortunately, that happened long before the conspiracy around Quinn.

Such as when several gamers raged because one of the lead developers for the spiritual successor to Megaman was a woman.

Men crying about feminism never ceases to be simultaneously hilarious and frustrating.

Okay, more of a lack of willingness.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 16, 2014, 10:52:35 pm
You know what this thing is?  It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible.  Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.

Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.

One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.

Unfortunately, that happened long before the conspiracy around Quinn.

Such as when several gamers raged because one of the lead developers for the spiritual successor to Megaman was a woman.

Men crying about feminism never ceases to be simultaneously hilarious and frustrating.

The reason they bitched about Dina was that she was basically the embodiment of overblown PC, was unfamiliar with Megaman, her boyfriend worked at Comcept and her being fond of censorship. And community manager isn't even "Lead developer".

Not because she was a woman, Magus.

Or am I confusing this with something else?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 16, 2014, 11:12:11 pm
You know what this thing is?  It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible.  Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.

Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.

One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.

Unfortunately, that happened long before the conspiracy around Quinn.

Such as when several gamers raged because one of the lead developers for the spiritual successor to Megaman was a woman.

Men crying about feminism never ceases to be simultaneously hilarious and frustrating.

The reason they bitched about Dina was that she was basically the embodiment of overblown PC, was unfamiliar with Megaman, her boyfriend worked at Comcept and her being fond of censorship. And community manager isn't even "Lead developer".

Not because she was a woman, Magus.

Or am I confusing this with something else?

And yet it if had been a guy developer no one would have blinked an eye, even if he was identical.

Besides, I saw the abuse they were hurling.  If you say that it wasn't because she's a woman, you're either lying or you ignored the abusive garbage.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 04:19:16 pm
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:

http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2014, 04:27:26 pm
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:

http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)
Here's a rebuttal to the laughable belief that there is any sliver of hope or compassion in this endless, hatefull universe:
https://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf (https://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 17, 2014, 04:28:36 pm
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:

http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)

Sorry, I couldn't hear the rebuttal over the ego of its writer.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 04:29:51 pm
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:

http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)

Sorry, I couldn't hear the rebuttal over the ego of its writer.
And I couldn't hear the original point over Zoe Quinn's victim complex.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Sleepy on September 17, 2014, 05:03:21 pm
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.
You really expect her to give an unbiased account? 

The article likes to paint Quinn as some kind of hero or martyr for standing up to "misogynistic gamers" but makes no mention anywhere of the fact that she torpedoed a women's gaming charity because she didn't like them, or of the fact that these supposedly misogynistic 4chan users donated thousands of dollars to the same organization to repair the damage that Zoe Quinn did to them.  Zoe Quinn is not a victim of misogyny, she is someone who got caught doing something wrong and cried misogyny to protect herself.  Unfortunately, sites like Cracked seemed to do no research beyond the sexism angle that Quinn likes to claim.  They show misogynistic tweets from GamerGate advocates that are supposed to prove that the entire movement is hateful (though there are far more tweets, such as #notyourshield, that would show that the movement is more concerned with Quinn's actions than her gender) yet don't show the abusive and bigoted tweets that her supporters have sent out, such as one that told a woman that she had a "cavernous" vagina when she criticized Quinn on Twitter.  Very disappointed that Cracked ran this with no consideration whatsoever toward the truth.

All she's doing is distracting from the actual issues and simultaneously making it more difficult for real victims of misogyny. 

Zoe Quinn is not a modern-day Joan of Arc.  Does she deserve harassment?  No.  However, criticizing what she did is neither harassment nor misogyny.  And if she can't handle this, that says more about her than it does about GamerGate.

Obviously it's not going to be unbiased, but it shows how fucked the gaming community is, especially when it comes to girls. I figured this whole bucket of nonsense was regarding rumors of her sleeping with guys for good reviews. If she did something that deserves criticism, then fine, but people treat her like she's motherfucking Hitler. Jesus christ.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 17, 2014, 05:31:25 pm
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:

http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)

Sorry, I couldn't hear the rebuttal over the ego of its writer.
And I couldn't hear the original point over Zoe Quinn's victim complex.
You don't even need to read Quinn's article to see her point, you just have to look at how misogynistic her detractors are to see her point.

It's similar to how Anita's detractors prove her points far better than she can simply by hurling their abusive garbage at her.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 06:14:39 pm
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:

http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)

Sorry, I couldn't hear the rebuttal over the ego of its writer.
And I couldn't hear the original point over Zoe Quinn's victim complex.
You don't even need to read Quinn's article to see her point, you just have to look at how misogynistic her detractors are to see her point.

It's similar to how Anita's detractors prove her points far better than she can simply by hurling their abusive garbage at her.
I agree, they don't deserve abuse or misogyny.  However, the majority of their detractors are neither.  And what about the women involved in GamerGate?

I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.
You really expect her to give an unbiased account? 

The article likes to paint Quinn as some kind of hero or martyr for standing up to "misogynistic gamers" but makes no mention anywhere of the fact that she torpedoed a women's gaming charity because she didn't like them, or of the fact that these supposedly misogynistic 4chan users donated thousands of dollars to the same organization to repair the damage that Zoe Quinn did to them.  Zoe Quinn is not a victim of misogyny, she is someone who got caught doing something wrong and cried misogyny to protect herself.  Unfortunately, sites like Cracked seemed to do no research beyond the sexism angle that Quinn likes to claim.  They show misogynistic tweets from GamerGate advocates that are supposed to prove that the entire movement is hateful (though there are far more tweets, such as #notyourshield, that would show that the movement is more concerned with Quinn's actions than her gender) yet don't show the abusive and bigoted tweets that her supporters have sent out, such as one that told a woman that she had a "cavernous" vagina when she criticized Quinn on Twitter.  Very disappointed that Cracked ran this with no consideration whatsoever toward the truth.

All she's doing is distracting from the actual issues and simultaneously making it more difficult for real victims of misogyny. 

Zoe Quinn is not a modern-day Joan of Arc.  Does she deserve harassment?  No.  However, criticizing what she did is neither harassment nor misogyny.  And if she can't handle this, that says more about her than it does about GamerGate.

Obviously it's not going to be unbiased, but it shows how fucked the gaming community is, especially when it comes to girls. I figured this whole bucket of nonsense was regarding rumors of her sleeping with guys for good reviews. If she did something that deserves criticism, then fine, but people treat her like she's motherfucking Hitler. Jesus christ.
Most people have moved on from Quinn, and are looking at the bigger problem.  I think it's mainly the abusers and misogynists who continue to go after her specifically.

And I can't help but notice the fact that neither of you are acknowledging the censorship, the corruption, the erasure, the elitism, and all the other garbage.

By the way, here's some reading material: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/831/924/472.png (http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/831/924/472.png)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 17, 2014, 06:46:43 pm
Huh? I never heard about anti-gamergate abuse?
I have heard variouse horror Tories relating to 4chan and some "raid" they planned. Also some tf2 links used as, uh, death threats?
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2014, 06:55:22 pm
Ok, I get it.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 06:55:28 pm
Huh? I never heard about anti-gamergate abuse?
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2014, 06:56:48 pm
This is sad.
I guess *gag* both sides are bad.
I'm officially done with this, goodbye.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 17, 2014, 08:56:55 pm
And yet, if the situation were to be a male developer sleeping with a female reviewer, in all likelyhood, it would be the female reviewer who would get the sharp end of the criticism.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 17, 2014, 09:04:52 pm
And yet, if the situation were to be a male developer sleeping with a female reviewer, in all likelyhood, it would be the female reviewer who would get the sharp end of the criticism.

B...But da criticism TOTALLY isn't fueled by sexism!  Because she did these other bad things, therefore, this criticism can't be fueled by sexism!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 17, 2014, 09:06:33 pm
And yet, if the situation were to be a male developer sleeping with a female reviewer, in all likelyhood, it would be the female reviewer who would get the sharp end of the criticism.

B...But da criticism TOTALLY isn't fueled by sexism!  Because she did these other bad things, therefore, this criticism can't be fueled by sexism!
Ad hominem is fun, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 09:11:09 pm
And yet, if the situation were to be a male developer sleeping with a female reviewer, in all likelyhood, it would be the female reviewer who would get the sharp end of the criticism.

B...But da criticism TOTALLY isn't fueled by sexism!  Because she did these other bad things, therefore, this criticism can't be fueled by sexism!

Danarth: That's just a hypothetical scenario tainted by your biases.  As far as we know, that hasn't happened.  Besides, the guys she slept with were heavily criticized.

Magus: Very little of it is actually fueled by sexism.

Lovely logical fallacies you're using.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 17, 2014, 09:21:30 pm
Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.

I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.

As for my bias, yes, I do have one. It is against sexist, whining, over priveleged male gamers who don't want to let girls into what the feel is their private sandbox.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 09:26:33 pm
Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.

I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.

As for my bias, yes, I do have one. It is against sexist, whining, over priveleged male gamers who don't want to let girls into what the feel is their private sandbox.

If gamers are such misogynists, then why did they support The Fine Young Capitalists?

And the reason it's blowing up now?  The same reason Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination started World War I: it was just the spark that blew up the powder keg.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 17, 2014, 09:33:19 pm
Because not every gamer out there is a whining, over priveleged male gamer who doesn't like to share with the girls?

I had that particular group in mind with my statements and like any obnoxious minor group within a group, they tend to project their voices the loudest, because they fear they have the most to lose.  In their own little minds.

As for what I believe about the rest of gamers, I believe they are no doubt a good, progressive group of people who aren't afraid of sharing.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 09:34:25 pm
Because not every gamer out there is a whining, over priveleged male gamer who doesn't like to share with the girls?

I had that particular group in mind with my statements and like any obnoxious minor group within a group, they tend to project their voices the loudest, because they fear they have the most to lose.  In their own little minds.

As for what I believe about the rest of gamers, I believe they are no doubt a good, progressive group of people who aren't afraid of sharing.

So you admit that the misogynists in Gamergate are only a minority?  After all, it represents gamers of many, many backgrounds.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2014, 09:48:33 pm
If you admit feeling attacked from rape and death threats isn't a victim complex.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 10:04:34 pm
If you admit feeling attacked from rape and death threats isn't a victim complex.

I have plenty of reason to find these claims dubious.  The anti-Gamergate faction has a history of dishonesty.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 17, 2014, 10:12:17 pm
REALLY!?  JUST FUCKING REALLY!?  YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?

Ironbite-*explodes*
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 10:14:56 pm
REALLY!?  JUST FUCKING REALLY!?  YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?

Ironbite-*explodes*

Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes.  It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done.  Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.

And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2014, 10:21:12 pm
REALLY!?  JUST FUCKING REALLY!?  YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?

Ironbite-*explodes*

Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes.  It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done.  Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.

And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 10:24:15 pm
REALLY!?  JUST FUCKING REALLY!?  YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?

Ironbite-*explodes*

Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes.  It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done.  Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.

And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
The difference is that that was a vocal minority.  There are millions upon millions of gamers, and they only represented a tiny fraction.

The anti-Gamergate side, on the other hand, is much smaller, has been proven to be corrupt, and knows it doesn't have a leg to stand on in a legitimate debate.  Why do you think they censor their critics?

So yeah, different situation entirely.

Even if these threats are real, that doesn't mean Gamergate as a whole is bad.  All it means is that there are some bad apples in the barrel.

And I don't remember Gamergate sabotaging charities, silencing their opponents, refusing to believe that women and minorities in the anti-Gamergate faction are fake, or comparing their opponents to ISIL or Nazis.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 17, 2014, 10:33:40 pm
EDIT: You know what? On second thought, fuck it. I'm out. I've said my piece on the matter and I'm washing my hands of this shitstorm.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2014, 10:36:03 pm
REALLY!?  JUST FUCKING REALLY!?  YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?

Ironbite-*explodes*

Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes.  It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done.  Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.

And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
The difference is that that was a vocal minority.  There are millions upon millions of gamers, and they only represented a tiny fraction.
In addition, studies have show that gamers are the most charitable, friendliest, and most sexually appealing demographic ever.

The anti-Gamergate side, on the other hand, is much smaller, is comprised entirely of clones of Osama Bin Laden, steals puppies from orphans (which they proceed to eat in front of them), masturbates to Adolf Hitler, and takes 2 parking spaces at once. Why do you think they torture and behead their critics?

So yeah, different situation entirely.
FTFY
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 10:40:56 pm
I've stated this multiple times and I'll say it again, do you have verifiable SOURCES for that alleged corruption?

Why should I bother?  You're not going to accept them.

REALLY!?  JUST FUCKING REALLY!?  YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?

Ironbite-*explodes*

Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes.  It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done.  Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.

And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
The difference is that that was a vocal minority.  There are millions upon millions of gamers, and they only represented a tiny fraction.
In addition, studies have show that gamers are the most charitable, friendliest, and most sexually appealing demographic ever.

The anti-Gamergate side, on the other hand, is much smaller, is comprised entirely of clones of Osama Bin Laden, steals puppies from orphans (which they proceed to eat in front of them), masturbates to Adolf Hitler, and takes 2 parking spaces at once. Why do you think they torture and behead their critics?

So yeah, different situation entirely.
FTFY

Stop putting words in my mouth.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 17, 2014, 10:45:55 pm
Why?  You don't seem to have a problem putting words in other people's mouths.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 10:46:54 pm
Why?  You don't seem to have a problem putting words in other people's mouths.

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 17, 2014, 10:53:36 pm
So you admit that the misogynists in Gamergate are only a minority?

Elaborated.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 10:58:01 pm
So you admit that the misogynists in Gamergate are only a minority?

Elaborated.

Okay, maybe that was.  However, it's the obvious logical conclusion.

The fact that the anti-Gamergate faction keeps relying on logical fallacies and censorship demonstrates that they haven't got a leg to stand on and they know it.

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/831/509/dd2.jpg)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 17, 2014, 11:02:26 pm
......REALLY?

Ironbite-wow.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2014, 11:05:08 pm
By the way, WikiLeaks has exposed unethical behavior among Reddit's mods:

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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 17, 2014, 11:37:19 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ygg68lT.jpg)

This thread's looks like it's about to get real fun.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2014, 11:39:37 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ygg68lT.jpg)

This thread's looks like it's about to get real fun.
The fun has already begun!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 18, 2014, 01:18:24 am
REALLY!?  JUST FUCKING REALLY!?  YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?

Ironbite-*explodes*
Bah, those cunts probably enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 18, 2014, 08:36:41 am
Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.

I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.
What propelled this drama to such heights wasn't so much the merits of the original scandal itself, but the mass suppression of discussion of it, the vitriol being spewed by gaming journalists, and the release of fourteen articles in the span of two days declaring the "death of gamers".
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Danarth on September 18, 2014, 08:39:38 am
No doubt they are numerical a minority, the problem is that, as with anything on the internet, their voices can be projected louder because it is easier. The other problem being is that a number of gamers don't want to be bothered by this situations, they just want to enjoy their games.

And we all know what is said about what evil needs to truimph

As for Gamersgate itself, in principal it is a good idea. There are so many problems with publishers and reviewers that something should have happened, but it should have happened a great deal earlier. For example, during the Machinima/Microsoft situation or during Sega round of takedowns on people reviewing their older shining force games, or the nonsense revolving the early demonstrations of Aliens : Colonial Marines. These are events that desire this sort of blow out that Gamersgate seems to have come about.

But Zoe Quinn getting a passing reference to her game after sleeping with a reviewer? And this game in particular was free to play (while there was a pay what you think situation going, it doesn't change the fact that it is free) so she could have no reasonable expectation of gaining much in the way of profit.  Why was it that this was the tipping point for the blow out when in comparison it is so relatively minor?

Now, from what I can see of the evidence of censorship and supression of the discussion? Yes, that is just as much of a problem because it serves no purpose other than to infruriate and annoy people who believe they have a valid point to make. I imagine a fair amount of the censorship and supression in regards to Zoe Quinn comes from an overly heavy-handed attempt to stop abusive, aggression and trolling just because certain people feel they should be allowed to be abusive. Should it happen? I'm not entirely sure, I don't agree with the supression of discussion and disagreement, on the other hand, if it is purely abuse than I don't see why people should be given a forum for it, as it is neither productive or helpful

Could the criticism of what Zoe Quinn 'might' have done have been orginally valid? Possibly, and personally, if she did that then she needs to take a serious look at her own ethics, but given the rather sketchy evidence presented as to her actions, a jilted ex- and some rather unclear disagreement with a group of female gamers? I am rather reluctant to say much either way.

The bigger problem is that the focus on Zoe Quinn actually gets away from the larger problem at hand. The messed up state of game reviewing, how so much of it is just PR and advertising for the industry at large, and the lack of ethics in general. If people want to examine the behaviour of an individual, there needs to be a major overhaul of the system first
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 18, 2014, 10:34:06 am
No doubt they are numerical a minority, the problem is that, as with anything on the internet, their voices can be projected louder because it is easier. The other problem being is that a number of gamers don't want to be bothered by this situations, they just want to enjoy their games.

And we all know what is said about what evil needs to truimph

As for Gamersgate itself, in principal it is a good idea. There are so many problems with publishers and reviewers that something should have happened, but it should have happened a great deal earlier. For example, during the Machinima/Microsoft situation or during Sega round of takedowns on people reviewing their older shining force games, or the nonsense revolving the early demonstrations of Aliens : Colonial Marines. These are events that desire this sort of blow out that Gamersgate seems to have come about.

But Zoe Quinn getting a passing reference to her game after sleeping with a reviewer? And this game in particular was free to play (while there was a pay what you think situation going, it doesn't change the fact that it is free) so she could have no reasonable expectation of gaining much in the way of profit.  Why was it that this was the tipping point for the blow out when in comparison it is so relatively minor?

Now, from what I can see of the evidence of censorship and supression of the discussion? Yes, that is just as much of a problem because it serves no purpose other than to infruriate and annoy people who believe they have a valid point to make. I imagine a fair amount of the censorship and supression in regards to Zoe Quinn comes from an overly heavy-handed attempt to stop abusive, aggression and trolling just because certain people feel they should be allowed to be abusive. Should it happen? I'm not entirely sure, I don't agree with the supression of discussion and disagreement, on the other hand, if it is purely abuse than I don't see why people should be given a forum for it, as it is neither productive or helpful

Could the criticism of what Zoe Quinn 'might' have done have been orginally valid? Possibly, and personally, if she did that then she needs to take a serious look at her own ethics, but given the rather sketchy evidence presented as to her actions, a jilted ex- and some rather unclear disagreement with a group of female gamers? I am rather reluctant to say much either way.

The bigger problem is that the focus on Zoe Quinn actually gets away from the larger problem at hand. The messed up state of game reviewing, how so much of it is just PR and advertising for the industry at large, and the lack of ethics in general. If people want to examine the behaviour of an individual, there needs to be a major overhaul of the system first
What abuse? Haven't you heard? Zoe Quinn and Anita actually faked all the death and rape threats they received DURRRRRRRRR?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 18, 2014, 10:36:11 am
Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.

I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.
What propelled this drama to such heights wasn't so much the merits of the original scandal itself, but the mass suppression of discussion of it, the vitriol being spewed by gaming journalists, and the release of fourteen articles in the span of two days declaring the "death of gamers".
What mass suppression? I mean, besides some dumbasses on obscure blogging sights the thing got pretty big pretty fast.

Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2014, 10:58:35 am
Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.

I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.
What propelled this drama to such heights wasn't so much the merits of the original scandal itself, but the mass suppression of discussion of it, the vitriol being spewed by gaming journalists, and the release of fourteen articles in the span of two days declaring the "death of gamers".
What mass suppression? I mean, besides some dumbasses on obscure blogging sights the thing got pretty big pretty fast.
Haven't you been paying attention?  MiniJust has been banning users who disagree with them, silencing their critics with false DMCA-takedowns, and doing a lot of other censorship.

No doubt they are numerical a minority, the problem is that, as with anything on the internet, their voices can be projected louder because it is easier. The other problem being is that a number of gamers don't want to be bothered by this situations, they just want to enjoy their games.

And we all know what is said about what evil needs to truimph

As for Gamersgate itself, in principal it is a good idea. There are so many problems with publishers and reviewers that something should have happened, but it should have happened a great deal earlier. For example, during the Machinima/Microsoft situation or during Sega round of takedowns on people reviewing their older shining force games, or the nonsense revolving the early demonstrations of Aliens : Colonial Marines. These are events that desire this sort of blow out that Gamersgate seems to have come about.

But Zoe Quinn getting a passing reference to her game after sleeping with a reviewer? And this game in particular was free to play (while there was a pay what you think situation going, it doesn't change the fact that it is free) so she could have no reasonable expectation of gaining much in the way of profit.  Why was it that this was the tipping point for the blow out when in comparison it is so relatively minor?

Now, from what I can see of the evidence of censorship and supression of the discussion? Yes, that is just as much of a problem because it serves no purpose other than to infruriate and annoy people who believe they have a valid point to make. I imagine a fair amount of the censorship and supression in regards to Zoe Quinn comes from an overly heavy-handed attempt to stop abusive, aggression and trolling just because certain people feel they should be allowed to be abusive. Should it happen? I'm not entirely sure, I don't agree with the supression of discussion and disagreement, on the other hand, if it is purely abuse than I don't see why people should be given a forum for it, as it is neither productive or helpful

Could the criticism of what Zoe Quinn 'might' have done have been orginally valid? Possibly, and personally, if she did that then she needs to take a serious look at her own ethics, but given the rather sketchy evidence presented as to her actions, a jilted ex- and some rather unclear disagreement with a group of female gamers? I am rather reluctant to say much either way.

The bigger problem is that the focus on Zoe Quinn actually gets away from the larger problem at hand. The messed up state of game reviewing, how so much of it is just PR and advertising for the industry at large, and the lack of ethics in general. If people want to examine the behaviour of an individual, there needs to be a major overhaul of the system first
What abuse? Haven't you heard? Zoe Quinn and Anita actually faked all the death and rape threats they received DURRRRRRRRR?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
There is evidence to suggest that they faked their threats.  I already discussed Anita, and here's an image that raises serious doubts about Zoe's story:

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/759/1e4.png)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 18, 2014, 12:37:20 pm
You know when UP decided to agree with someone who wanted to append a but to the statement "Nobody deserves to be threatened", I nearly lost my shit.  Now I wanna see something.  Hey UP, defend the Gamergate scum who tried this please. (http://kotaku.com/bomb-threat-targeted-anita-sarkeesian-gaming-awards-la-1636032301?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)

Quote
An anonymous e-mailer threatened to blow up a bomb at the Game Developers Choice Awards this past March unless the hosts rescinded an award recognizing feminist critic Anita Sarkeesian, the organizers of the event have confirmed to Kotaku.

"We can confirm that approximately 25 of GDC's organizers received an anonymous email early in the morning of Wednesday, March 19th, 2014 during GDC 2014," the organizers said in a statement.

"The email stated the following: 'A bomb will be detonated at the Game Developer's Choice award ceremony tonight unless Anita Sarkeesian's Ambassador Award is revoked. We estimate the bomb will kill at least a dozen people and injure dozens more. It would be in your best interest to accept our simple request. This is not a joke. You have been warned.'"

The threat merited the attention of the San Francisco Police Department's Explosive Ordinance Disposal Division, which sent officers and bomb-sniffing dogs to the Moscone Center, where GDC is held.

Ironbite-but Anita totally deserved this didn't she?  She did get more money then she asked for and therefore is a scam artist.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2014, 12:55:48 pm
You know when UP decided to agree with someone who wanted to append a but to the statement "Nobody deserves to be threatened", I nearly lost my shit.  Now I wanna see something.  Hey UP, defend the Gamergate scum who tried this please. (http://kotaku.com/bomb-threat-targeted-anita-sarkeesian-gaming-awards-la-1636032301?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)

Quote
An anonymous e-mailer threatened to blow up a bomb at the Game Developers Choice Awards this past March unless the hosts rescinded an award recognizing feminist critic Anita Sarkeesian, the organizers of the event have confirmed to Kotaku.

"We can confirm that approximately 25 of GDC's organizers received an anonymous email early in the morning of Wednesday, March 19th, 2014 during GDC 2014," the organizers said in a statement.

"The email stated the following: 'A bomb will be detonated at the Game Developer's Choice award ceremony tonight unless Anita Sarkeesian's Ambassador Award is revoked. We estimate the bomb will kill at least a dozen people and injure dozens more. It would be in your best interest to accept our simple request. This is not a joke. You have been warned.'"

The threat merited the attention of the San Francisco Police Department's Explosive Ordinance Disposal Division, which sent officers and bomb-sniffing dogs to the Moscone Center, where GDC is held.

Ironbite-but Anita totally deserved this didn't she?  She did get more money then she asked for and therefore is a scam artist.

1.  The alleged incident took place in March, months before Gamergate was a thing.

2.  Why are we only hearing about this now?  Something's fishy.

3.  Even if it did happen, it has very little bearing on Gamergate.

4.  I never said they deserved it, I just doubted their stories.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 18, 2014, 01:04:28 pm
So did he defend it?  Cause I'm not clicking on show me the post anymore with him.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 18, 2014, 03:02:13 pm
So did he defend it?  Cause I'm not clicking on show me the post anymore with him.
He claims it didn't happened and that it has no bearing on gamergate.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2014, 03:12:48 pm
Oh, and just FYI, Leigh Alexander is a bully:

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/832/458/268.jpg_large)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 18, 2014, 03:40:54 pm
You know when UP decided to agree with someone who wanted to append a but to the statement "Nobody deserves to be threatened", I nearly lost my shit.  Now I wanna see something.  Hey UP, defend the Gamergate scum who tried this please. (http://kotaku.com/bomb-threat-targeted-anita-sarkeesian-gaming-awards-la-1636032301?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)
That happened in March. I guess gamergaters are time travelers now.

Oh, and just FYI, Leigh Alexander is a bully:

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/832/458/268.jpg_large)
Leigh Alexander is all kinds of terrible person.

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/f839ae5d04ea1bec94e10fdf8237daf9/tumblr_nbwihjZKb51rsqvqdo4_1280.png)
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/831/102/9d8.jpg)
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/832/332/c89.jpg)
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/832/333/0b0.jpg)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2014, 05:14:07 pm
"Hood rat"?  So she's a racist to boot!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on September 18, 2014, 05:20:36 pm
Know what?  It doesn't fucking matter when it happened.  Guess where all those Gamergate assholes came from?

SHIT LIKE THIS!

Ironbite-oooh, new person to put on iggy as well!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 18, 2014, 05:53:25 pm
Know what?  It doesn't fucking matter when it happened.  Guess where all those Gamergate assholes came from?

SHIT LIKE THIS!

Ironbite-oooh, new person to put on iggy as well!
I find that a dubious assertion.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2014, 06:03:20 pm
It's yet another attempt by MiniJust to distract from the real issues and slander GamerGate.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 18, 2014, 07:37:26 pm
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/759/1e4.png)
Okay, fine, you win, whatever.


Why is it every time I get into an argument on this site I lose.

Anyway, I've had no access to any wifi in forever and all my passwords aren't working and every feminist on it turns out every feminist source on the internet is wrong and AVFM and The Amazing Atheist were right all along.

I hate my life.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2014, 08:32:11 pm
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/759/1e4.png)
Okay, fine, you win, whatever.


Why is it every time I get into an argument on this site I lose.

Anyway, I've had no access to any wifi in forever and all my passwords aren't working and every feminist on it turns out every feminist source on the internet is wrong and AVFM and The Amazing Atheist were right all along.

I hate my life.
You know there feminists involved in GamerGate, right?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 18, 2014, 08:45:56 pm
Not as many as there was MRA's.
Anyway, I'm depressed about being wrong.

Plz no bad feels. :(
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 19, 2014, 12:46:30 am
Not as many as there was MRA's.
Anyway, I'm depressed about being wrong.

Plz no bad feels. :(

don't worry, no tears only dreams now
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 19, 2014, 01:12:29 am
Not as many as there was MRA's.
Anyway, I'm depressed about being wrong.

Plz no bad feels. :(

don't worry, no tears only dreams now
I dream violently murdering anyone who I disagree with...
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 19, 2014, 12:09:56 pm
I think the biggest crime about this whole thing is that now people have been divided into "Gamergate" and "Anti-Gamergate" when, in fact, most of this forum doesn't give a damn shit about the distinction, including a lot of people that have been de facto labelled "anti-Gamergate" for daring to point out that MRA dudebros are asshole and will be assholes - as if they were somehow talking about all of Gamergate.

Fact of the matter is, dudebros LOVE to hurl abuse at any woman saying something they don't like.  I'm not even talking about mysterious anonymous threats that may or may not be the person sending it to themselves.  I'm talking about real people leaving abusive, shitty comments all over the fucking place telling everyone how much they would love to beat Anita Sarkeesian to a bloody pulp, and even making a flash game where you do just that.  It exists.  I've not only seen it, but we've even had a dudebro on this very forum post a screenshot from it proudly.

Fact of the matter is, the anti-Gamergate crowd has a bunch of radfems and other SJWs.  This is true.

But it does not invalidate the fact that Gamergate DOES have a lot of abusive MRA fuckwits in it.

There is no "Good guys and bad guys" scenario here.  What we have are a bunch of fuckwits infesting both sides of a debate.  We have two people who are guilty of other things that a lot of dudebros have outright stated in public forums that they wish they could beat to a bloody pulp.  These things are not faked, and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't exist.

So don't give me your pure, unadulterated bullshit about how no one is being abusive towards Quinn and Sarkeesian.  Because it is.  I've seen how entitled male gamers act.  They will always speak up in any situation that even slightly concerns them, and many situations that don't.  Gamergate concerns them.  Gamergate may have a diverse gathering of different people, and that diversity includes MRAs, fedora-wearing "nice guys", and gamers who think games are only for men and no one else.

There is a lot of sexism in the gaming community, like you wouldn't believe.  And right now, I have seen several people deny this.

Do not sacrifice your intelligence to blindly follow Gamergate.  Do not.

I am not a part of Gamergate.  Nor am I anti-Gamergate.  I am simply a feminist gamer who is sick and tired of the bullshit we men inflict on women and ourselves, and you are an asshole if you think you can sort me into one house or the other.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 19, 2014, 01:28:51 pm
Like in Bioshock!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 19, 2014, 01:35:53 pm
I think the biggest crime about this whole thing is that now people have been divided into "Gamergate" and "Anti-Gamergate" when, in fact, most of this forum doesn't give a damn shit about the distinction, including a lot of people that have been de facto labelled "anti-Gamergate" for daring to point out that MRA dudebros are asshole and will be assholes - as if they were somehow talking about all of Gamergate.

Fact of the matter is, dudebros LOVE to hurl abuse at any woman saying something they don't like.  I'm not even talking about mysterious anonymous threats that may or may not be the person sending it to themselves.  I'm talking about real people leaving abusive, shitty comments all over the fucking place telling everyone how much they would love to beat Anita Sarkeesian to a bloody pulp, and even making a flash game where you do just that.  It exists.  I've not only seen it, but we've even had a dudebro on this very forum post a screenshot from it proudly.

Fact of the matter is, the anti-Gamergate crowd has a bunch of radfems and other SJWs.  This is true.

But it does not invalidate the fact that Gamergate DOES have a lot of abusive MRA fuckwits in it.

There is no "Good guys and bad guys" scenario here.  What we have are a bunch of fuckwits infesting both sides of a debate.  We have two people who are guilty of other things that a lot of dudebros have outright stated in public forums that they wish they could beat to a bloody pulp.  These things are not faked, and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't exist.

So don't give me your pure, unadulterated bullshit about how no one is being abusive towards Quinn and Sarkeesian.  Because it is.  I've seen how entitled male gamers act.  They will always speak up in any situation that even slightly concerns them, and many situations that don't.  Gamergate concerns them.  Gamergate may have a diverse gathering of different people, and that diversity includes MRAs, fedora-wearing "nice guys", and gamers who think games are only for men and no one else.

There is a lot of sexism in the gaming community, like you wouldn't believe.  And right now, I have seen several people deny this.

Do not sacrifice your intelligence to blindly follow Gamergate.  Do not.

I am not a part of Gamergate.  Nor am I anti-Gamergate.  I am simply a feminist gamer who is sick and tired of the bullshit we men inflict on women and ourselves, and you are an asshole if you think you can sort me into one house or the other.
Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate.  And you made some good points.  However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is demonstrably wrong.  Ergo, your argument that there are "no good guys or bad guys" is incorrect.

I never said that there was no harassment against Quinn or Sarkeesian.  Furthermore, I strongly condemn cyberbullying.  However, I have reason to believe that the more extreme examples they claim to have suffered since this shitstorm began were false-flag attacks.  The first is that both have a history of dishonesty.  Anita claimed to be a "Gamer Girl", when in reality, she isn't.  She also completely misrepresents the games she discusses.  As for Zoe, she lied to her boyfriend about her affairs.  And if the story about her affairs is wrong, then why did they try to suppress it?

The second is that in both cases, evidence exists to suggest that they faked the attacks against them.  There may not be any smoking gun, but if they hadn't had a history of lying and untrustworthy behavior, I might be more inclined to believe them.

And it's certainly true that the "neckbeard" crowd is involved in GamerGate.  That's objective truth.  However, it's also an objective truth that they're only a small minority.  The RadFems and SJWs in MiniJust, however, make up just about anybody who isn't a corrupt journalist or a well-meaning but misguided/misinformed follower.

You're also ignoring the fact that men in MiniJust get harassed too.  Phil Fish probably got the worst of it.  I don't like him, but I also don't think he deserved the vitriol he got.  This raises an important question: why wasn't he brought up as an example of GamerGate extremism?  Simple: the mere fact that he has a penis and is okay with that would undermine their narrative about sexist bullying.

The fact that MiniJust has to resort to censorship and logical fallacies demonstrates that they don't have a leg to stand on and they know it.  They're hypocrites, they're liars, they're bullies, they hate and resent their audience, and they have a proven record of corruption.

Now, let me talk about the "boy's club" that is gaming journalism.  The fact is that most gaming journalists are white male cishets from backgrounds that are at least middle-class- exactly what they accuse their detractors of being.  GamerGate, on the other hand, represents gamers (and non-gamers too) from a lot of different backgrounds.  You have gamers who are sick of being stereotyped and talked down to, women and minorities who resent being used as human shields against criticism, muckraking investigative journalists, more moderate Social Justice advocates who don't want their movement to be tarnished, reasonable gaming journalists who have had their opinions and stories suppressed, developers who are tired of being told what to do, white male cishets who've had enough of being demonized for something they can't control, intellectuals who want more honest discourse, and people who are generally against corruption.  And I think I may have left more than one group out.  The fact that MiniJust focuses myopically on the worst parts says more about them than it does about GamerGate.

The fact remains that the MiniJust faction of gaming journalists are very much a closed circle.  More to the point, they've been proven to collaborate and conspire, and they flagrantly ignore professional boundaries.

Zoe Quinn's infidelity and the subsequent coverup were just the spark that ignited the powder keg.  Resentment towards the industry has been building for quite some time.  And when it blew, it ignited a firestorm of controversy.  And we got to see gaming journalism's true face: the face of haters.  It exposed the fact that they were dominated by elitist snobs who had nothing but contempt for their audience.  They pissed on an entire subculture from atop their ivory tower, and now that tower's being torn down.  I've seen gaming journalism's true colors, and the dominant one is a very obnoxious shade of yellow.  The fact is that they use sensationalism to their advantage, because controversy sells and keeps them in the spotlight.  And they're cowards: afraid that gaming has outgrown them, afraid of being called out, afraid of honest discourse.

The fact that you're not automatically swallowing MiniJust's story speaks volumes about you.  I know you're a reasonable guy.  You're not a SJW.  And I don't blame you for being on the fence, because I was there for a while myself.  But for goodness sake, do your research before passing judgment on an entire movement.  I've done my research on MiniJust, so I feel I have the right to criticize them.  Also, I'd like everybody, including myself, to try and refrain from using logical fallacies.

This conflict has been raging for quite some time, and it's not showing signs of settling down anytime soon.  This is more than a flame war.  This is the birth of something new, something great.  If we win, we will have demonstrated once and for all that the internet is a force to be reckoned with.  We will demonstrate that it can unite as much as it can divide, that it can be used for truth as much as it can be used for lies, that it can do good as much as it can do bad.  Nothing will be the same after this is over.

Fight the power!  Smash corruption!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 19, 2014, 02:19:07 pm
Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate.  And you made some good points.  However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is

Non-existent.  I have never said it was dominated by misogynistic dudebros.

Instead, I have been talking about the dudebros themselves.

You are the one that keeps linking things back to Gamergate, as if I was talking about all of Gamergate whenever I criticize misogynists and MRAs.  In fact, that's what you've been doing this entire time to everyone who says anything that isn't absolutely pro-Gamergate in this topic.

My only point is that MRAs exist in Gamergate.

See, you say that there's good people in Gamergate.  And I believe you.

But believe me when I say that there's also good people that are against Gamergate.

And that the assholes on both sides of the debate are ruining it for everyone.

So, how about you stop shoving words down people's throats, okay?

As the core of your argument rests on the assumption you made that I believed that Gamergate was somehow dominated by MRAs, I don't really see the need to talk about the rest of your talking points, considering they're moot.

I think everyone you've been attacking in this topic deserves an apology.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 19, 2014, 02:28:20 pm
Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate.  And you made some good points.  However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is

Non-existent.  I have never said it was dominated by misogynistic dudebros.

Instead, I have been talking about the dudebros themselves.

You are the one that keeps linking things back to Gamergate, as if I was talking about all of Gamergate whenever I criticize misogynists and MRAs.  In fact, that's what you've been doing this entire time to everyone who says anything that isn't absolutely pro-Gamergate in this topic.

My only point is that MRAs exist in Gamergate.

See, you say that there's good people in Gamergate.  And I believe you.

But believe me when I say that there's also good people that are against Gamergate.

And that the assholes on both sides of the debate are ruining it for everyone.

So, how about you stop shoving words down people's throats, okay?

As the core of your argument rests on the assumption you made that I believed that Gamergate was somehow dominated by MRAs, I don't really see the need to talk about the rest of your talking points, considering they're moot.

I think everyone you've been attacking in this topic deserves an apology.
Okay.  Sorry I misunderstood you.

However, the core of my argument was not my misunderstanding.  It was the fact that GamerGate has a much better claim to moral superiority than MiniJust.  So my talking points are not moot, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: I am lizard on September 19, 2014, 04:17:37 pm
Say, what do you mean by Anita misrepresenting the games she reviews? I mean, she does rather dumb reviews from time to time.

And when did she fake death threats?

And why do dragons turn me on?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 19, 2014, 04:58:39 pm
Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate.  And you made some good points.  However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is

Non-existent.  I have never said it was dominated by misogynistic dudebros.

Instead, I have been talking about the dudebros themselves.

You are the one that keeps linking things back to Gamergate, as if I was talking about all of Gamergate whenever I criticize misogynists and MRAs.  In fact, that's what you've been doing this entire time to everyone who says anything that isn't absolutely pro-Gamergate in this topic.

My only point is that MRAs exist in Gamergate.

See, you say that there's good people in Gamergate.  And I believe you.

But believe me when I say that there's also good people that are against Gamergate.

And that the assholes on both sides of the debate are ruining it for everyone.

So, how about you stop shoving words down people's throats, okay?

As the core of your argument rests on the assumption you made that I believed that Gamergate was somehow dominated by MRAs, I don't really see the need to talk about the rest of your talking points, considering they're moot.

I think everyone you've been attacking in this topic deserves an apology.
Okay.  Sorry I misunderstood you.

However, the core of my argument was not my misunderstanding.  It was the fact that GamerGate has a much better claim to moral superiority than MiniJust.  So my talking points are not moot, thank you very much.

I disagree that they have a better claim.  Let me know when Gamergate starts calling out their own dudebros.  Let me know when they realize that this whole crusade is a waste of time and resources.

Also I don't really even know what MiniJust is.  I doubt it's the entirety of everyone who disagrees with Gamergate.  What, are we adding MORE labels to the pile?

And why do dragons turn me on?

Because of their obscenely high charisma scores.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Canadian Mojo on September 19, 2014, 06:30:12 pm
As for Zoe, she lied to her boyfriend about her affairs.  And if the story about her affairs is wrong, then why did they try to suppress it?

If... so I guess there is still no proof that this is anything more than a dick move by a jealous ex.
 
Why try to suppress it? Because guys like you want to believe it. Short of him retracting the statement there is no counter move Zoe could make other than keeping it out of the public eye because she is assumed to be guilty.

Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 19, 2014, 07:33:07 pm
As for Zoe, she lied to her boyfriend about her affairs.  And if the story about her affairs is wrong, then why did they try to suppress it?

If... so I guess there is still no proof that this is anything more than a dick move by a jealous ex.
 
Why try to suppress it? Because guys like you want to believe it. Short of him retracting the statement there is no counter move Zoe could make other than keeping it out of the public eye because she is assumed to be guilty.
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Murdin on September 19, 2014, 08:42:02 pm
I disagree that they have a better claim.  Let me know when Gamergate starts calling out their own dudebros.  Let me know when they realize that this whole crusade is a waste of time and resources.

Different Gamersgaters are crusading against a lot of different things under the same banner, with various results.


Needless to say, there is a LOT of overlap between these categories. The second one is by far the most federating, and they are definitely getting rewarded for their time and resources.


Also I don't really even know what MiniJust is.  I doubt it's the entirety of everyone who disagrees with Gamergate.  What, are we adding MORE labels to the pile?

Didn't find anything relevant on the Internets. I suppose it's a term UU invented to denigrate everyone whose ideas about social justice are more radical than his own, regardless of their degree of militantism. I mean, it's not like he can honestly attack SJWs on the "warrior" part anymore, since he has been displaying the exact same kind of partisanship and blind zeal lately.

Also, the idea probably comes from the novel 1984. The dystopian state's ministries all follow the same naming pattern of Mini + a shortened, ironic label for their functions: Miniplenty (rationing), Minipax (war), Minitru (propaganda), Miniluv (reeducation). Because SJW and radfems are clearly ruling the world with an iron fist, and nobody would ever dare to speak publicly against them or their opinions, right?


Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate.  And you made some good points.  However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is demonstrably wrong.  Ergo, your argument that there are "no good guys or bad guys" is incorrect.

These are my arguments, and I would very much like you to explain how you came to the conclusion that they are "demonstrably wrong". Because that's a pretty strong choice of words. One that is generally used not for subjective perceptions and opinions, but for factual statements. Statements such as, "Gamergate has never been about Zoe Quinn".

While I AM miffed at you for your latest bouts of militantism, do not take the question as an attack. This is an actual question and I am genuinely interested in your answer. Last week I got sick of stating my opinion over and over again, because I was just repeating myself, because I didn't find anything to amend my initial opinion that neither side is worthy of support. If anything, I would be elated to revise my purely negative stance on the matter for a more optimistic one.


Is this sufficient proof?

On one hand, the third one is no evidence at all, and the fourth one is obvious sarcasm.

On the other hand, did anyone really need more proof that Zoe Quinn is a crummy person who cheated on her BF? Well, I guess so. But can we move on now, please?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Canadian Mojo on September 19, 2014, 09:01:12 pm
As for Zoe, she lied to her boyfriend about her affairs.  And if the story about her affairs is wrong, then why did they try to suppress it?

If... so I guess there is still no proof that this is anything more than a dick move by a jealous ex.
 
Why try to suppress it? Because guys like you want to believe it. Short of him retracting the statement there is no counter move Zoe could make other than keeping it out of the public eye because she is assumed to be guilty.
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In the face of that I'll quite happily concede the point that she is guilty and retract my statement. Obviously I am wrong here.

As a casual and largely disinterested observer all I know of it is Paragons 'if the story about her affairs is wrong...' which strongly suggests that it is still a matter of some debate which is where my point of contention lies. It is akin to assuming a person is guilty if they choose to exercise their rights (notably the 5th, but anything that derives from it when stopped by the cops) because 'only somebody with something to hide would do that.' That is, and always will be, a bullshit argument, particularly in a forum where Russell's teapot analogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot) is well understood and respected.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 20, 2014, 03:53:22 am
Boy am I glad I bowed out of this one... *checks* 12 pages ago.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 20, 2014, 03:57:10 am
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...Is Zoe Quinn's real Twitter handle actually "@TheQuinnspiracy"? That smells a little like bullshit.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 20, 2014, 05:36:44 am
Yeah, that's the real twitter handle.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Askold on September 20, 2014, 07:28:02 am
Boy am I glad I bowed out of this one... *checks* 12 pages ago.
Smart choice.

And this really is a debate where both(all) sides have loud assholes doing most of the talking. Using sex to influence media (if it actually happened as those tweets seem to confirm, I used to be sceptical) is kinda low but I am more outraged over gaming medias low standards than her. (She is just one incident while the quite obvious bribery and other corruption with media has happened quite often.) Death and rape threats are always wrong ...But saying that she is a cunt or blaming her for sexual bribery are within free speech limits. Now those on Quinn's side have been disregarding even the appropriate criticism on the basis that the other side has people sending out death/rape threats. (That happens but does not mean that everything else should be ignored as well.)

Anyway. Can we just agree that this did get blown way out of proportion and most people involved are assholes?


...Aaannd I'm out.
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 20, 2014, 02:51:54 pm
...That GIF is awesome for using transparency well.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 20, 2014, 04:42:10 pm
Holy shit. I'm gone for two days and you reignite the fire.

*Shakes head*

Once again, everyone's favorite Swede gets it right.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 20, 2014, 05:24:26 pm
In other news, Leigh Alexander has been a racist for quite some time:

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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 21, 2014, 02:32:01 pm
Threats towards GG supporters:
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Edit: Oh, and someone sent Milo a syringe with an unknown substance in the mail:
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 21, 2014, 02:39:24 pm
Threats towards GG supporters:
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Edit: Oh, and someone sent Milo a syringe with an unknown substance in the mail:
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So much for that moral high ground.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 21, 2014, 04:00:57 pm
So where's the skepticism towards these people receiving threats?

After all, they can just as easily be faking all of this shit.  Even/especially the syringe.

As far as the "moral high ground" goes... how come these people represent everyone who oppose/doesn't stand with Gamergate, but the MRA dudebros don't represent everyone who does support Gamergate?

You're remarkably fantastic at doing double standards.

(By the way, I don't recall claiming that the anti-gamergate crowd had the moral high ground, either.  In fact, I remmber claiming that NO ONE had the moral high ground in this scenario.  And I still stand by that, no matter how one-sided you present everything.)
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 21, 2014, 06:12:38 pm
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 21, 2014, 06:32:52 pm
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.

Forget Mike's Hard Lemonade, we're gonna need the Mike's Harder Lemonade.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 21, 2014, 06:37:39 pm
I just have one question. Just one question. Please do not involve me in debates about Zoe or Anita. Just one question.

Are they still trying to say games shouldn't be about fun?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 21, 2014, 08:16:56 pm
I'm just amazed that a month later, these people are still flinging poo at each other over Twitter. Usually these kind of idiots, both the dudebros and the social justice warriors, have the attention span of a gnat. I suppose it's just a case of there's been nothing else to grab their attention since then.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 21, 2014, 09:08:11 pm
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.

Can I have some, or I am still not allowed to drink beer after I shot the OSHA guy?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 22, 2014, 12:32:24 am
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.

Can I have some, or I am still not allowed to drink beer after I shot the OSHA guy?

We do not like thee... thou shall receive nothing.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: guizonde on September 22, 2014, 03:30:55 am
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.

Forget Mike's Hard Lemonade, we're gonna need the Mike's Harder Lemonade.

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Doesn't Mike sell "Mike's anti-depressant strength lemondade"?  :P
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 22, 2014, 07:16:17 am
As far as the "moral high ground" goes... how come these people represent everyone who oppose/doesn't stand with Gamergate, but the MRA dudebros don't represent everyone who does support Gamergate?
These examples probably aren't representative of anti-gg. In the vast expanses of the internet, you'll find people willing to engage in harassment over nearly anything, and it usually doesn't reflect upon the larger group to any meaningful extent. I've seen threats and abuse in the comments for online food recipes. However, as it is doubtful that there will be many articles from the gaming media denouncing them, it falls upon us to document these incidents and raise awareness of them.


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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Beezlebub on September 22, 2014, 03:16:12 pm
I instinctively tried to thumbs up that comment.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Radiation on September 22, 2014, 08:30:05 pm
So where's the skepticism towards these people receiving threats?

After all, they can just as easily be faking all of this shit.  Even/especially the syringe.

As far as the "moral high ground" goes... how come these people represent everyone who oppose/doesn't stand with Gamergate, but the MRA dudebros don't represent everyone who does support Gamergate?

You're remarkably fantastic at doing double standards.

(By the way, I don't recall claiming that the anti-gamergate crowd had the moral high ground, either.  In fact, I remmber claiming that NO ONE had the moral high ground in this scenario.  And I still stand by that, no matter how one-sided you present everything.)

I agree, anything can be faked on the Internet, for Twitter all you have to do is register for a few sockpuppets and then use those sockpuppets to tweet those kinds of messages to yourself. You can pretty much do this on any social media as far as I know. Given how dudebros act on the Internet and the nature of 4Chan and such, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bunch of MRAs doing this in order to discredit so-called "SJWs." It wouldn't be the first, they have been behind the bikini bridge hoax (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10563823/Bikini-Bridge-hoax-how-the-internet-ate-itself.html) designed to make women feel ashamed of their bodies (like we don't get that enough?) and also the  "End Father's Day" Twitter hashtag (http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/4chan-end-fathers-day/) designed to make it seem that feminists want to get rid of Father's Day.

Because of these two examples, I have to wonder if this whole Gamergate thing was engineered. It may not have been in the start but very close to it. Things can be photoshopped, sockpuppets can be created and things can be made up. I think that the syringe thing could very well be made up, for one, the Post Office would've have somehow picked up on something that was suspicious, even more so now after 9/11 and they would probably have seen something amiss about the package. Two, the syringe is filled yet the picture shows the medical seal that syringes are wrapped in that has been opened. Someone sending such a thing would more than likely have not sent the wrapping and furthermore would have put the syringe in a box or more sturdier packaging than an envelope as the plastic could get broken in mail handling. So I think that Milo could very well be making this up, also he doesn't show the side with the address on the front though he could redact that out and show the postage stamping marking where it may have come from. You could get a syringe like that from a friend or relative that has diabetes or multiple sclerosis, or you could steal one from a hospital or you could have a friend that works in a hospital steal one for you.

I'm sorry but seeing the shit that some of these 4Chan types do, I'm inclined to believe that while Gamergate has a good point about journalism, I think it's just an excuse to attack so-called "SJWs," "feminists," and women in particular.

Also, I think I've read somewhere that the #notyourshield hashtag was a form of astroturfing, or it started out as such, to make it look like minorities were against the other side.

Edit: The second article from The Daily Dot mentions to other anti-women hoaxes by 4Chan called #WhitesCan'tBeRaped hashtag designed to mimic SJWs' anti-white sentiment and Operation Freebleeding to encourage women to not use sanitary napkins. I don't think that one has to guess hard that most people from 4Chan and Reddit are misogynists and anti-feminists.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 22, 2014, 09:31:32 pm
I agree, anything can be faked on the Internet, for Twitter all you have to do is register for a few sockpuppets and then use those sockpuppets to tweet those kinds of messages to yourself. You can pretty much do this on any social media as far as I know. Given how dudebros act on the Internet and the nature of 4Chan and such, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bunch of MRAs doing this in order to discredit so-called "SJWs." It wouldn't be the first, they have been behind the bikini bridge hoax (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10563823/Bikini-Bridge-hoax-how-the-internet-ate-itself.html) designed to make women feel ashamed of their bodies (like we don't get that enough?) and also the  "End Father's Day" Twitter hashtag (http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/4chan-end-fathers-day/) designed to make it seem that feminists want to get rid of Father's Day.
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 12, 2014, 11:30:33 pm
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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on November 12, 2014, 11:45:55 pm
Why do you care? Why does it matter? What's the point of paying attention to them if GamerGate isn't about them in the first place?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 12, 2014, 11:47:00 pm
The other side is just faking all of their death threats. But all of the death threats of my side are automatically true and if you doubt them, you are a terrible person.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 12, 2014, 11:49:57 pm
Or, y'know, she was showing sympathy (https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/528587373417091074).

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Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 12, 2014, 11:52:07 pm
Or, y'know, she was showing sympathy (https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/528587373417091074).

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I took the tweet down because you idiots spun "wow that's fucked up data" into imaginary infighting. @JasonBorgonsson @Spacekatgal

So why did she block the guy debunking her story?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cloud3514 on November 12, 2014, 11:52:54 pm
WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 13, 2014, 02:25:55 am
WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE?

Because despite the massive amount of harassment towards women who speak up about Gamergate, or even simply report on what someone SAID about Gamergate, while making excuses for the VERY SAME MAN who SAID THOSE THINGS THAT SHE GOT DEATH THREATS FOR, Gamergate is totally about ethics in gaming journalism.

Despite the fact that Gamergate posts 60% about how them evil women are oppressing them and they TOTALLY have women who are feminists and so therefore they can't be misogynists, 30% about how all the massive amount of harassment that is catalogued with alarming results with sufficient proof is just them stupid feminazis faking it for attention, 5% mentioning that it's actually ethics in gaming journalism, and 5% actually talking about ethics, Gamergate is totally about ethics in Gaming Journalism.

Oh, and every feminist who opposes Gamergate is a hysterical feminazi SJW, and like most women, totally hysterical over nothing for attention, while any feminist who allies themselves with Gamergate is a TRUE feminist, standing against the evil tyranny of other women.

Because remember.

Gamergate is about ethics in gaming journalism.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 13, 2014, 06:20:42 am
Or, y'know, she was showing sympathy (https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/528587373417091074).

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So why did she block the guy debunking her story?

How about he was JAQing off and making a mountain out of a bloody molehill, not that GamerGaters ever do that.  ::)

Also, why do you care?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on November 13, 2014, 10:17:57 am
I'm getting a massive headache.

Ironbite-and it's not from some guy trying to burst out of my armor.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 13, 2014, 07:54:12 pm
I'm getting a massive headache.

Ironbite-and it's not from some guy trying to burst out of my armor.

That'd be less painful and more awesome.  Two badass sword wielders for the price of one!
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on November 13, 2014, 08:05:23 pm
You need to see Kyoryuger to know that's not as awesome as you might think.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on November 13, 2014, 08:15:39 pm
Breaking news: Who gives a shit?
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 13, 2014, 09:46:40 pm
You need to see Kyoryuger to know that's not as awesome as you might think.

Seen it all the way through.  Twice.  Utchy is still smex.
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: ironbite on November 14, 2014, 06:08:15 pm
He might be but he's still an idiot.

Ironbite-prefer his Great Grandson
Title: Re: Quinnspiracy
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 14, 2014, 06:25:18 pm
No argument from me on that!