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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2012, 10:33:53 pm »
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In my almost 4 years in a U.S. public high school, I have never once seen any student stand at attention like that and actually recite the pledge. Sure, most of them will stand up, but that's about it. No hand-over-chest, no facing the flag, and definitely no verbal recitation.

Kids don't give as much of a shit about their loyalty pledge as these people seem to think.

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2012, 10:54:16 pm »
Having served in the US Military I can say the pledge definitely has it's place, and I encourage its use for military personnel and other government workers (such as politicians) as upholding it is a part of their specific duty. I do not, however, think it really belongs in our schools. Children are not able to really understand it when it's first done (I remember it being recited as early as Kindergarten, though I can't remember if it was in pre-school or not), and putting it in such a place makes them feel it's a necessity instead of a choice. Some people desire to move to another country when they grow up (for whatever reason), and there's also the issue of exchange students and students who are a citizen of multiple countries. I also do not appreciate it made into something that people will mindlessly recite, as that is one of the best ways to degrade it into complete meaninglessness.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2012, 10:59:09 pm »
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In my almost 4 years in a U.S. public high school, I have never once seen any student stand at attention like that and actually recite the pledge. Sure, most of them will stand up, but that's about it. No hand-over-chest, no facing the flag, and definitely no verbal recitation.

Kids don't give as much of a shit about their loyalty pledge as these people seem to think.

Shit, in my school district they only do it in the elementary schools. 

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2012, 11:00:03 pm »
Not wanting to say the Pledge doesn't mean not having respect for the troops, but I have a feeling this guy thinks pulling our troops out of bs wars/ or not wanting to go to war, means you don't have respect for the troops also..

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #80 on: January 10, 2012, 01:08:54 am »
1. Roll clay up. Have a worm.
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In my almost 4 years in a U.S. public high school

Every grade we move up, we get a little less enthusiastic. Of course, when I was in kindergarten, we were really all but FORCED to say it. I don't know if you could get in trouble for not standing & reciting it, but it was implied.

I totally see the logic there. This man got injured fighting so you could exercise freedom of expression. Therefore, you should not exercise freedom of expression.

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #81 on: January 10, 2012, 02:50:46 am »
I would actually prefer a pledge to the constitution than the flag, as I feel it makes far more sense. I would say pledging it to the country as a whole and its ideals would be better, but I think the constitution holds the ideals in as concrete a manner as possible.

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #82 on: January 10, 2012, 02:58:59 am »
I can imagine that boy intelligently saying...

"Thank you, sir.  Thank you for fighting for my rights.  Both the right to stand up to pledge allegiance and the right to not stand up.  In many of the countries you fought, they would force such things on their children.  Stand up and pledge allegiance, or die.  You fought so that I have the choice to sit down.  The right to disagree with my country.  Thank you, sir."

And then the kid salutes him.

And the man salutes back, tears in his eyes.  And the teacher just feels guilty for trying to guilt-trip her students into such a thing.

...Ah, but we know that last part would never happen.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #83 on: January 10, 2012, 05:42:24 am »
[anecdote]When I was really young I didn't understand why the nation was invisible.[/anecdote]

When I was a child, I misinterpreted the "Stand on guard for thee" lines in O Canada as "Stand on God for thee".
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« Reply #84 on: January 10, 2012, 07:33:45 am »
I can imagine that boy intelligently saying...

"Thank you, sir.  Thank you for fighting for my rights.  Both the right to stand up to pledge allegiance and the right to not stand up.  In many of the countries you fought, they would force such things on their children.  Stand up and pledge allegiance, or die.  You fought so that I have the choice to sit down.  The right to disagree with my country.  Thank you, sir."

And then the kid salutes him.

And the man salutes back, tears in his eyes.  And the teacher just feels guilty for trying to guilt-trip her students into such a thing.

...Ah, but we know that last part would never happen.

Depends which country. If he's a veteran of anything after 1945, he wasn't fighting for any American's freedom. In fact, in the vast majority of cases, American soldiers since '45 have been fighting against the advance of freedom.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #85 on: January 10, 2012, 01:15:40 pm »
Here’s a hint kid: That clay pony doesn’t see, hear, or think anything.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #86 on: January 10, 2012, 02:42:43 pm »
Here’s a hint kid: That clay pony doesn’t see, hear, or think anything.

And apparently God created humans not to be able to see or hear him, and expects us to worship It.

Also, answer the damn question, kid!
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #87 on: January 10, 2012, 02:54:48 pm »
[anecdote]When I was really young I didn't understand why the nation was invisible.[/anecdote]

When I was a child, I misinterpreted the "Stand on guard for thee" lines in O Canada as "Stand on God for thee".

For myself, I always wondered why we were sending the Queen someone called Victoria.
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« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2012, 02:55:40 pm »
I can imagine that boy intelligently saying...

"Thank you, sir.  Thank you for fighting for my rights.  Both the right to stand up to pledge allegiance and the right to not stand up.  In many of the countries you fought, they would force such things on their children.  Stand up and pledge allegiance, or die.  You fought so that I have the choice to sit down.  The right to disagree with my country.  Thank you, sir."

And then the kid salutes him.

And the man salutes back, tears in his eyes.  And the teacher just feels guilty for trying to guilt-trip her students into such a thing.

...Ah, but we know that last part would never happen.

Depends which country. If he's a veteran of anything after 1945, he wasn't fighting for any American's freedom. In fact, in the vast majority of cases, American soldiers since '45 have been fighting against the advance of freedom.

The Korean War?
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #89 on: January 10, 2012, 05:27:19 pm »
I can imagine that boy intelligently saying...

"Thank you, sir.  Thank you for fighting for my rights.  Both the right to stand up to pledge allegiance and the right to not stand up.  In many of the countries you fought, they would force such things on their children.  Stand up and pledge allegiance, or die.  You fought so that I have the choice to sit down.  The right to disagree with my country.  Thank you, sir."

And then the kid salutes him.

And the man salutes back, tears in his eyes.  And the teacher just feels guilty for trying to guilt-trip her students into such a thing.

...Ah, but we know that last part would never happen.

Depends which country. If he's a veteran of anything after 1945, he wasn't fighting for any American's freedom. In fact, in the vast majority of cases, American soldiers since '45 have been fighting against the advance of freedom.

The Korean War?

My granddad was in the Korean War.
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