I found a video a while back that, I think, raises a number of good points.(click to show/hide)
I found it food for thought.
The fantasy of the shooter. I agree that the fantasy of the shooter needs to be broken, I strongly disagree that it is best achieved by another civilian shooting back at him. The best case is to try and prevent that idea from entering his head in the first place. Right now the media has made mass shootings a glorified fantasy. Hell I don't even want to think of the number of times neo-cons talk about taking the country back by force and shooting the immigrants and such stuff. There is a strong fantasy that them and their guns will liberate and achieve glory by killing everyone.
I read stats on the percentage of people who actually play video games, and it was something like >90% for males, and ~50% for females (I'll try to find the article). Compare that to how many people will actually murder another person, let alone go on a mass shooting, and you'd think people would start to wonder about the validity of gaming being the main cause. I mean, do people view the rest of us who haven't committed a crime as unstable potential murderers, just waiting for the next GTA to tip us over the edge?
I read stats on the percentage of people who actually play video games, and it was something like >90% for males, and ~50% for females (I'll try to find the article). Compare that to how many people will actually murder another person, let alone go on a mass shooting, and you'd think people would start to wonder about the validity of gaming being the main cause. I mean, do people view the rest of us who haven't committed a crime as unstable potential murderers, just waiting for the next GTA to tip us over the edge?
Here I would make a joke about suggesting they crack down on airsoft and paintball instead, but then you'd have shooters screaming at their innocent victims "Call your hits!" when they don't fall down and eating beef jerky in the middle of their rampage.
Yanno, these violent vidya games are just murdah simulatahs, teachin ah younguns to shoot at people. /sarcasm/
Leave that to the NRA and the Republican Pahty, you comprehende?
They got that one down.
Yanno, these violent vidya games are just murdah simulatahs, teachin ah younguns to shoot at people.
Yanno, these violent vidya games are just murdah simulatahs, teachin ah younguns to shoot at people.
That's right. Now everyone knows how to kill someone. Walk over an AR, Y button to display it, left trigger for target lock, right trigger to shoot.
Yanno, these violent vidya games are just murdah simulatahs, teachin ah younguns to shoot at people.
That's right. Now everyone knows how to kill someone. Walk over an AR, Y button to display it, left trigger for target lock, right trigger to shoot.
Only if you're a console noob. Real gamers press the number that corresponds to the AR (1 through 9), then right click to aim down the sights and left click to shoot.
Check your computer literate privilege.
Here I would make a joke about suggesting they crack down on airsoft and paintball instead, but then you'd have shooters screaming at their innocent victims "Call your hits!" when they don't fall down and eating beef jerky in the middle of their rampage.Then there is the whole unleash a wall of paint or plastic at the first thing you see tactic since your hopper holds a few hundred pellets and conserving ammo is not much of a consideration.
Here I would make a joke about suggesting they crack down on airsoft and paintball instead, but then you'd have shooters screaming at their innocent victims "Call your hits!" when they don't fall down and eating beef jerky in the middle of their rampage.Then there is the whole unleash a wall of paint or plastic at the first thing you see tactic since your hopper holds a few hundred pellets and conserving ammo is not much of a consideration.
Here I would make a joke about suggesting they crack down on airsoft and paintball instead, but then you'd have shooters screaming at their innocent victims "Call your hits!" when they don't fall down and eating beef jerky in the middle of their rampage.Then there is the whole unleash a wall of paint or plastic at the first thing you see tactic since your hopper holds a few hundred pellets and conserving ammo is not much of a consideration.
Really, we should encourage spree shooters to use fully automatic weapons. They'll run through most of their ammo without hitting the target.I'm hoping there's a bit of sarcasm here, there's a significant difference between hitting what you're aiming for and just plain hitting something. Spree killers and the like rarely particularly care what they hit, just that something in the general direction gets hit. Adding more ammo to that isn't gonna help.
Really, we should encourage spree shooters to use fully automatic weapons. They'll run through most of their ammo without hitting the target.I'm hoping there's a bit of sarcasm here, there's a significant difference between hitting what you're aiming for and just plain hitting something. Spree killers and the like rarely particularly care what they hit, just that something in the general direction gets hit. Adding more ammo to that isn't gonna help.
Plus given the number of them that wind up dead or in jail till they're dead, I doubt they have much issue with dropping what money they do have on the weapons and accessories they need. The north hollywood boys certainly showed what could be accomplished with a decent chunk and no concern for others.
Never mind that anyone who tries Call of Duty tactics in real life during a school shooting will probably look like complete idiots and the ensuing video of the incident will look like a comedy sketch.
When you're robbing a bank 10k is a reasonable amount of preparation.
Dist, where I used to stay, the locals would break into a local stately home, steal a Purdey's shotgun worth about £2 -3K, saw it up and then rob the local Post Office and make off with about £200.
Then again, where I used to stay the locals were pretty thick. :o
When you're robbing a bank 10k is a reasonable amount of preparation.
Dist, where I used to stay, the locals would break into a local stately home, steal a Purdey's shotgun worth about £2 -3K, saw it up and then rob the local Post Office and make off with about £200.
Then again, where I used to stay the locals were pretty thick. :o
Dist, where I used to stay, the locals would break into a local stately home, steal a Purdey's shotgun worth about £2 -3K, saw it up and then rob the local Post Office and make off with about £200.
Then again, where I used to stay the locals were pretty thick. :o
Yeah, I'm aware of how stupid criminals can be, but I try to at least think of what the smart ones might do. They do show up every decade or so...
But really, stick up the post office? What are they gonna do, sort through the mail for things with birthday cards and raid them too?
When you're robbing a bank 10k is a reasonable amount of preparation.
Dist, where I used to stay, the locals would break into a local stately home, steal a Purdey's shotgun worth about £2 -3K, saw it up and then rob the local Post Office and make off with about £200.
Then again, where I used to stay the locals were pretty thick. :o
In all fairness, I can imagine it would be all but impossible to sell a stolen gun if you don't know the right people. 200 pounds, on the other hand, is legal tender as is.
Depends on the gun and the area. Some places, you'll be able to pawn off any piece of crap you'll find as long as there aren't obvious signs of theft or illegal modification (like sawing down a shotgun to a length that makes it an SBS and thus a controlled item, or mucking up the serial number to make it unreadable). And some guns you'll NEVER be able to pawn off except in the seediest areas, like a custom Holland & Holland double-barrel rifle that costs more than a car.It sounds like you're talking about America. To my knowledge, United Kingdom gun laws don't allow you to legally sell a gun without an assload of red tape, part of which involves proof of ownership.
Though expensive elephant guns like that are (or at least were) much more easy to find in Africa, thanks to all the amateur hunters who spent a fortune on them and got eaten in the jungle.
Though expensive elephant guns like that are (or at least were) much more easy to find in Africa, thanks to all the amateur hunters who spent a fortune on them and got eaten in the jungle.
In all fairness, I can imagine it would be all but impossible to sell a stolen gun if you don't know the right people. 200 pounds, on the other hand, is legal tender as is.
Depends on the gun and the area. Some places, you'll be able to pawn off any piece of crap you'll find as long as there aren't obvious signs of theft or illegal modification (like sawing down a shotgun to a length that makes it an SBS and thus a controlled item, or mucking up the serial number to make it unreadable). And some guns you'll NEVER be able to pawn off except in the seediest areas, like a custom Holland & Holland double-barrel rifle that costs more than a car.It sounds like you're talking about America. To my knowledge, United Kingdom gun laws don't allow you to legally sell a gun without an assload of red tape, part of which involves proof of ownership.
Though expensive elephant guns like that are (or at least were) much more easy to find in Africa, thanks to all the amateur hunters who spent a fortune on them and got eaten in the jungle.
Depends on the gun and the area. Some places, you'll be able to pawn off any piece of crap you'll find as long as there aren't obvious signs of theft or illegal modification (like sawing down a shotgun to a length that makes it an SBS and thus a controlled item, or mucking up the serial number to make it unreadable). And some guns you'll NEVER be able to pawn off except in the seediest areas, like a custom Holland & Holland double-barrel rifle that costs more than a car.It sounds like you're talking about America. To my knowledge, United Kingdom gun laws don't allow you to legally sell a gun without an assload of red tape, part of which involves proof of ownership.
Though expensive elephant guns like that are (or at least were) much more easy to find in Africa, thanks to all the amateur hunters who spent a fortune on them and got eaten in the jungle.
But he is specifically talking about selling the gun in BLACK market not the legal way.
I know, that is why it seemed odd that he started talking about the red tape involved in legal sales.He did say "pawn it off". I guess I assumed he meant actual legal pawn shops and whatnot.
Though expensive elephant guns like that are (or at least were) much more easy to find in Africa, thanks to all the amateur hunters who spent a fortune on them and got eaten in the jungle.
I don't know much about expensive elephant guns, but I do know that AK-47's used to be pretty abundant. Civilians would accidentally dig up caches of weapons left from the colonial resistance eras. However, with the much stricter gun laws in effect, and most caches recovered for destruction already its not quite as common. Unless you are living in one of the more war torn parts of Africa, in which case they are even more abundant, just often in the hands of a local tribal militia thug.
Speak to the right people though and you can get one again. I am pretty sure the Taxi associations still have a bunch.
Pelosi makes her stance defending video games. (http://kotaku.com/5983313/for-once-a-politician-defends-games-saying-theyre-not-the-cause-of-violence)
Pelosi makes her stance defending video games. (http://kotaku.com/5983313/for-once-a-politician-defends-games-saying-theyre-not-the-cause-of-violence)
That's politics for ya.
Pelosi makes her stance defending video games. (http://kotaku.com/5983313/for-once-a-politician-defends-games-saying-theyre-not-the-cause-of-violence)
That's politics for ya.
Didn't she condemn video games as causing violence once or something? Or was that Hillary Clinton?
Pelosi makes her stance defending video games. (http://kotaku.com/5983313/for-once-a-politician-defends-games-saying-theyre-not-the-cause-of-violence)
That's politics for ya.
Didn't she condemn video games as causing violence once or something? Or was that Hillary Clinton?
I'm pretty sure Clinton, at one point, did bash video games. I just can't be arsed to source it at this moment.
Pelosi makes her stance defending video games. (http://kotaku.com/5983313/for-once-a-politician-defends-games-saying-theyre-not-the-cause-of-violence)
That's politics for ya.
Didn't she condemn video games as causing violence once or something? Or was that Hillary Clinton?
I'm pretty sure Clinton, at one point, did bash video games. I just can't be arsed to source it at this moment.
At some point? She's done it at multiple points, Hilary Clinton's one of the big anti-game crusaders, in a similar vein to oh say...Jack Thompson.
Yeah I remember Hillary doing that crap as First Lady, testifying before congress and w/e. Those were the hearings where some naive anti game crusader lawmaker was saying first person shooters train the gamers to be perfect marksman...with real guns in rl..WTF? If it's a weapon type I've never fired before, it would take me quite a while to familiarize myself with it, no matter how many times I "fired" that "gun" in a shooter game, and if I'd never fired any real gun before, there's no way a game pad would have taught me anything.
Anyway, I'm a gamer, and I vote. Never much cared for Hillary, and damn sure wouldn't vote for her.
Political testimony is not motivated by actual research and facts. What has been going on is yet another attempt to turn video games into a “hot button” issue.Yeah I remember Hillary doing that crap as First Lady, testifying before congress and w/e. Those were the hearings where some naive anti game crusader lawmaker was saying first person shooters train the gamers to be perfect marksman...with real guns in rl..WTF? If it's a weapon type I've never fired before, it would take me quite a while to familiarize myself with it, no matter how many times I "fired" that "gun" in a shooter game, and if I'd never fired any real gun before, there's no way a game pad would have taught me anything.
Anyway, I'm a gamer, and I vote. Never much cared for Hillary, and damn sure wouldn't vote for her.
Well, modern games have at least insisted on showing people that you need to actually look down the sights to hit anything with accuracy instead of just vaguely holding the gun out and hoping that stuff hits the middle of your vision.
Hope they try to use the sight picture of the Mini-Uzi from Modern Warfare 2, though. They'll shoot over their targets' heads.
Dammit, I just read another article today where officials investigating the Sandy Hook massacre emphasized that they found thousands of dollars worth of violent video games in the shooter's home, and that those could've inspired him.
Right, I'm sure he would've NEVER done such a thing if he didn't have those pesky video games.
*bangs head against wall*
That's what I wanna know.
Ironbite-though with today's prices you can rack up thousands of dollars worth of games.
That's what I wanna know.
Ironbite-though with today's prices you can rack up thousands of dollars worth of games.
Twenty console games at full price would exceed a thousand dollars.
He'd need to buy 17 games brand new at the full $60 price just to make it to $1000. 20 games if they cost $50 each. The thing is, the news report specifies VIOLENT video games, and multiple thousands. I find it difficult to rack up several thousand dollars of purely violent games (with Modern Warfare being the low end for "violent" in this definition) even if every one was purchased brand new on launch day.
Mostly though it is just sensationalist reporting.My thoughts exactly. Their definition of "thousands of dollars of violent video games" probably includes the PC/console(s) themeslves, any peripheral hardware and every non-violent game in his collection.
Mostly though it is just sensationalist reporting.My thoughts exactly. Their definition of "thousands of dollars of violent video games" probably includes the PC/console(s) themeslvesm any peripheral hardware and every non-violent game in his collection.