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Title: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 05, 2017, 05:24:29 pm
Creating this spot to see if a few of the regular commenters on their posts would like to discuss the goings-on.  Will invite a few regulars...stay tuned.

To new people coming on board from over there to discuss things here - welcome and we're glad you're here.  If you register to take part in this forum please know that it can take a day or so before your registration is processed.  Some people have had a couple hiccups getting set up - I'm trying to find out a little bit more about that because I didn't have any trouble myself, but stay with it because it's really worthwhile.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: SomeApe on May 06, 2017, 02:44:28 am
I don't get it  :o
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 06, 2017, 10:49:18 am
You will...if anyone shows up!  ;)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 06, 2017, 11:48:04 am
I'll get it going....I've been going at it with Grace Kim Kwon lately.  I'm coming to the conclusion that she is just a vile human being.  Not only a fundie, but a racist as well, since she seems to blame "Western whites" for all the world's ills.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 06, 2017, 12:02:13 pm
Agreed about Grace, however I get the impression with her that the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.  Going to assume she lives in Korea or something and is being fed a huge steamy pile by some "western" fundie somewhere.

I get more satisfaction going after the people who aren't just plain nuts but willfully stupid.  Amos would be the prime example for me, but probably the gold standard is Oboehner who is an idiot AND manages to be smug about it.  THAT combination right there...that's the one that leaves me helpless every single time...

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on May 08, 2017, 07:21:20 am
I don't even understand Oboehner. Like, his thought processes are beyond my comprehension.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 08, 2017, 10:48:39 am
I don't even understand Oboehner. Like, his thought processes are beyond my comprehension.

I don't understand him either but I have FOLLOWED him for years.  Literally a couple years now.  And he's more or less a one-trick pony.  First order of business for him is to sneer, be sarcastic, condescending, and dismissive.  I'm sure I'm right when I say EVERYTHING he's posted has been that way, giving him a very negative overall impression.  As soon as I see his avatar, I'm already mentally preparing to go on the defensive.  Secondly, he'll use only the most derogatory words he can get away with (and Christian News Network seems to let him away with a lot more than most people would get away with).  I've seen him call lesbians "fur traders" and gay men "butt plowers".

Most interestingly though is that although he's OBVIOUSLY a fundie - right down to evolution denial, and watching him get sarcastic about that is almost more than I can stand - you will NEVER see him state anything about his own faith.  In other words, he's there for one reason and one reason only - to attack.  He's the biggest sack of shit on Christian News Network, hands down (although Guest occasionally gives him a run for his money).
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on May 08, 2017, 11:03:16 am
You have patience of steel, my friend. I want to strangle him through the Internet every time I see him on FSTDT. So vile and full of hate.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Id82 on May 08, 2017, 12:36:54 pm
I've frequented the main FSTDT page for years and am familiar with this cast of characters, but which ones are particularly on the Christian News Network?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 08, 2017, 12:49:53 pm
That's my main source of entertainment, so in a nut case shell it would be these people:

Current crop:
Grace Kim Kwon
Amos Moses
Oboehner
Reason2012
Royce E. Van Blaricome
Guest Verified

More recently:
Doug Bristow
Jason Todd

Gone but not forgotten:
The Last Trump (I think he was banned, but he was one of the solid gold all-stars)
WorldGoneCrazy (another solid gold all-star but hangs out more on Live Action News these days)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on May 08, 2017, 01:44:42 pm
What was The Last Trump banned for? Unrelenting superciliousness?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 08, 2017, 03:39:14 pm
WGC is still at least lurking there, I noticed he was giving "thumbs up" to Grace in one of the recent conversations (if you call it that) that I had with her.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 08, 2017, 04:25:29 pm
WGC can match Oboehner nearly pound for pound in the smug department, but he DOES change his behavior when he notices people comment on it.  When Anon-e-moose started calling him "Ice Cream Boy" or "Mr. Haagen-Dazs" or whatever it was, he stopped making his "morality is just flavors of ice cream to atheists" analogy.

But it's interesting that he's lurking.  Make a post about abortion and he'll be in there like a dirty shirt.  A dirty, obnoxious, smug, self-satisfied shirt.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 08, 2017, 07:45:58 pm
Oh my God, is Guest Verified ever unbearable.  Getting caught up with him in any discussion is like bashing your head against a wall for hours at a time.  He's a troll par excellence...I am almost impressed how he manages to make everyone he talks to eventually want to strangle him.  And he knows it, too...when he starts throwing out the smiley faces as his posts gradually turn into taunts.  He seems to want to push people over the edge to the point of being banned.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on May 09, 2017, 10:40:01 pm
Royce got booted (thankfully). I won't miss him. I honestly think that, among all the users over there, he was the most annoying. Yes, more than Oboehner. More than afchief (who was truly an awful, awful person, but mitigated somewhat by being so stupid and over the top that he was hilarious). And maybe even more than The Last Trump. And I put TLT up fairly high on the list of annoying people, even though I personally had little to do with him. But I recognize how unfathomably obnoxious he was.

But Royce...oh my God. Royce. I have seriously never met a single human being who made me want to strangle him more. I honestly wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire. It's that combination of supreme, holier-than-thou smugness combined with an absolute, unyielding commitment to knowing nothing about to any topic at all, and his constant habit of making repetitive, arrogant pronouncements instead of having a conversation with you. GAH, he makes my blood boil just thinking about him even though he's gone.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 09, 2017, 11:03:23 pm
I hope the same forces that got Royce kicked will do the same with Guest.

Royce's single most annoying thing was thanking you for something you never said or did.  And he did it at least once per message.  Has anyone taken the time to look at his Facebook/Twitter pages?  His FB avatar says "I support the Biblical definition of marriage" and there are assorted photos of him hunting/camping and wearing camo.  He is also divorced (big surprise) and it says he studied at "The old school of hard knocks" (of course...and why did I want to read that in an Archie Bunker voice?).

Oboehner has gone nuts lately.  I can't even keep up with him.  But all his plays are the usual ones.  Attack "sodomites", make evolution out to be a religion, make atheism out to be a religion, compare homosexuality to pedophilia, bestiality, incest, etc.  He makes me wonder mostly about MYSELF, specifically why I find myself NEEDING to respond to his posts.  I'm like a moth to flame.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 09, 2017, 11:50:46 pm
Jason Todd is getting on my last nerve too.

Oh and to those who can't tell the players without a scorecard, I get banned pretty frequently at Christian News Network.  These days I am Parodyx.  I was Jenny Ondioline but that one was banned. I have been many others in the past.

(also I'm a man...sometimes I use female aliases because they seem to get away with more, but in fact a "Jenny Ondioline" is a vintage keyboard instrument meant from the sixties and a song title by the band Stereolab.  Jocasta McF is a name that showed up once in my spam filter.  So now you know.)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 10, 2017, 11:26:44 am
Ah, Jason "Blocker" Todd.  I haven't had much of a tangle with him yet, but he is pretty damn annoying.  Not much point in talking to him, he'll just block you anyway.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 10, 2017, 11:55:47 am
Ah, Jason "Blocker" Todd.  I haven't had much of a tangle with him yet, but he is pretty damn annoying.  Not much point in talking to him, he'll just block you anyway.

I always confuse him with Jason Blue who's actually really awesome.  I need to watch my downvoting more closely.

Speaking of which, I recommend downvoting the doofuses at every opportunity.  It doesn't do much but it looks good.  Incidentally if downvotes don't show up for you, use Google Chrome and download the Disqus Downvote extension.  I think there's one for Firefox now too.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on May 10, 2017, 11:46:09 pm
I browse the arguments when they make it to FSTDT sometimes. The people who continue to debate on those forums, my hat is off to you.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 11, 2017, 12:11:39 am
I browse the arguments when they make it to FSTDT sometimes. The people who continue to debate on those forums, my hat is off to you.

I realize it's mostly just an exercise in frustration to a lot of people.  A few of us crazy people keep going back for more.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on May 11, 2017, 06:55:34 am
I "love" the ongoing arguments about whether Supreme Court rulings matter, or whether they can be ignored (spoiler: they do, and they can't).

This is a "debate" that could only be had among people completely and totally uneducated in the law. No lawyer, not even the worst lawyer in America, would ever put forth such a ridiculous argument. It simply isn't done. You learn, literally on Day 1 of law school, that case law in your jurisdiction is binding, and that SCOTUS is binding everywhere. It's as simple as that. This is not some fringe, esoteric issue that only a few brilliant people, leading in their field, are capable of having. This is literally Law 101 (and really, let's face it, it's high school civics).

Oboehner thinks that court rulings only affect the parties in the case before them at that very moment (they don't). Jason Todd thinks that SCOTUS rulings are only valid if they're "constitutional" (a decision that, in his mind, is up to him). Royce thinks that "the Constitution overrides the Supreme Court" which is like saying that you don't like sandwiches, you like bread.

One of my most head-smashingly frustrating arguments was when Oboehner announced that he doesn't read any prominent lawyers' articles, any law reviews, any practice commentaries, or any treatises. I asked him what secondary sources DOES he read, and he sneered, "I'll stick with the primary source. The Constitution."

Again, this a ludicrous thing to say. No lawyer in his right mind would ever NOT read treatises or follow seasoned experts in a field. We're REQUIRED BY LAW to keep up with educational requirements every year to two years. And we don't know everything about every field. You need to research, you need to read, and you need to take classes by the eminent practitioners in your field. If you walk into a lawyer's office and he proudly announces that he doesn't read treatises, law reviews, journal articles, or practice commentaries, you need to turn right around walk straight out and into the nearest attorney disciplinary office!

I've never met a group of people so proud to be so stupid. Again, I literally cannot overemphasize how stupid an argument this is. It's not even done among far-right attorneys who work for Christian legal organizations. It's just not a thing in any way, shape, or form. No lawyer, anywhere, believes this. It would be like telling physicists they don't need to do math.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 11, 2017, 09:19:03 am
I share your frustration, AC.  Every single time, believe me.  But I like that you're taking Oboehner to task because being proven wrong is anathema to him.  He knows law better than lawyers, he knows science better than scientists.  And as for the APA?  Well, they just caved to pressure from perverts back in the 1970s.

They come from different places, that's the interesting thing.  You will rarely, if ever, hear Oboehner say a single thing about God, or Jesus, or scripture (unless he's quoting it to beat someone over the head with).  That almost makes him the "un-fundie".  But it also shows his motivation.  He's not there to proselytize.  He's there to sneer at atheists.  He wants to level the playing field.  He knows all he has is faith, and so he'll tell you until you're blue in the face that evolution, science, all of it, is just "faith" too.  If you consult a science text, to him, you're just "appealing to authority".  I have had this conversation with him a million times, I know all his plays. 

With Royce and Amos, all roads lead to God.  Eventually.  With Royce, he doesn't mince words very much.  He's in there with every single message about hellfire and God and justice.  You just sense him clasping his hands together in anticipation and delight of all the people who've disagreed with him that he gets to watch delightedly as they burn in hell forever.  Amos is a little different.  He'll talk in circles and make references to "truth" here and there and when you corner him over and over, you just find out that his "truth" is his Bible, and it trumps everything else you can throw at him since it's superior to science.

Then you get Guest, not a soldier of God as much as a troll.  You catch him with his hands in the cookie jar over and over, and point out how he's being dishonest and deliberately editing and bending information to suit his story, and he ends up smiling and mocking you.

I talked to another guy on Disqus yesterday who actually said these exact words in retaliation to me:  "The dictionary?  HA HA HA".

The mindsets are distinct and the playbooks are all different.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: dpareja on May 11, 2017, 10:51:42 am
Jason Todd and Royce have a point, though probably not with regard to the cases they're thinking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Baseball_Club_v._National_League
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toolson_v._New_York_Yankees,_Inc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_v._Kuhn

In Federal Baseball Club, in 1922, the Supreme Court ruled that the Sherman Act did not apply to Major League Baseball, a decision that, especially in the context of the time, may have been correct. The decision did (I believe) leave the door open for Congress to pass legislation specifically regarding Major League Baseball, but Congress declined (and to this day continues to decline) to do so.

However, 31 years after the Court heard Toolson. That Court came to the conclusion that, essentially, Federal Baseball Club was decided incorrectly, but chose to uphold their prior ruling in preference to the Constitution. 19 years later, with Flood, they did it again (this time with a paean to baseball), with even the majority conceding that their previous holdings had been contrary to the Constitution but preferring stare decisis to the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovich_v._National_Football_League

However, in 1957, the Court heard Radovich, in which they were faced with essentially the same facts as the baseball cases but ruled in the opposite way from those cases: that professional football is subject to the Sherman Act.

This has made baseball's antitrust exemption a weird, inconsistent, sui generis matter in the law, and the justices in the majorities in the latter two baseball cases (and possibly in the dissent in Radovich) arguably in violation of oaths of office for upholding a previous judicial order that they themselves said was contrary to their understanding of the Constitution.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on May 12, 2017, 08:42:33 am
Dpareja:

While those cases do indicate that the Supreme Court can come to certain messy outcomes in various types of cases, it doesn't really apply much to the idea that the rank and file, or the general public, can simply ignore rulings they don't feel like following.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on May 12, 2017, 08:49:39 am
OMG we have a new one. Someone named John Love has announced that, to be "fair," judges should "go back to the original text of the Constitution." This doesn't make sense. The "original text" is written in sweeping, broad strokes. You can't "go back to the original text," because doing so simply isn't possible. What he's suggesting is A) not how we practice law and B) tantamount to saying "judges should just interpret the Constitution however they please in whatever circumstances are before them." Patently ridiculous. There would never be a single legal question that ever got resolved.

I told him that any judge who tossed precedent aside would get overturned. Any judge who did it repeatedly would probably be facing impeachment. He smugly responded, "Ah ha! So you AGREE that judges can be impeached! Sounds like you actually agree with me but you're arrogantly denying it!"

Um, wut?

He also said I'm "advocating for an oligarchy." Except, I'm not putting forth a position here. I'm not "advocating" for anything. I'm telling him how it works. I'm not making arguments, I'm stating facts. Facts he doesn't like, but facts.

Seriously, do these people walk into operating rooms and tell doctors how to do their jobs too?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 12, 2017, 09:35:44 am
I told him that any judge who tossed precedent aside would get overturned. Any judge who did it repeatedly would probably be facing impeachment. He smugly responded, "Ah ha! So you AGREE that judges can be impeached! Sounds like you actually agree with me but you're arrogantly denying it!"

Has Guest been banned, and back with a new name?  That sounds EXACTLY like one of his troll posts.  Or Royce with his "thank you for admitting" posts.

But speaking of Guest, I need to get to the bottom of this one because he's tenaciously holding on to it like I've never seen him do before.  I'll summarize what I'm talking about using direct quotes, it's probably easiest:

Guest: We've been through this before. The court already ruled that atheism is a religion.
Colin Rafferty: Which court cited this? Do you have a case name?
Guest: Torcaso v. Watkins.
Colin Rafferty: Wrong. In fact, that case proves exactly the opposite. That case is based around the fact that Torcaso did not have a religion, and that this should not bar him from holding public office.
Guest: It's in the footnote. Judge Black called secular humanism a religion. Then there was this WI decision that ruled "Atheism is religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being.
Colin Rafferty: I see where your mistake was. Secular humanism is not atheism. As for a different case, Kaufman v McCaughtry, they said that atheism is a religion for the purposes of First Amendment claims, because it takes a position on the existence of god. "Atheism is, among other things, a school of thought that takes a position on religion, the existence and importance of a supreme being, and a code of ethics.   As such, we are satisfied that it qualifies as Kaufman's religion for purposes of the First Amendment claims he is attempting to raise."
Guest: Sorry, but you're wrong. In both cases, atheism was ruled a religion. You have your quote.

And then we get into Guest just being tenacious without offering anything more.  Later on he tried to change the wording of an exact quote which he gave as this:

"Atheism is a religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being."

I searched the text of Kaufman vs. McCaughtry for this text and found nothing, because Guest altered it.  The original quote was:

"Atheism is Kaufman's religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being."

So clearly he's got something to hide here, but I am wondering what the official word is on atheism being considered a religion in court cases.

If you have the stomach to wade through it all, the thread is here (and has been curiously uncensored by the bastards at Christian News Network):

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/atheist_activist_group_sues_trump_over_order_allowing_electioneering_from_pulpit/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: dpareja on May 14, 2017, 12:14:36 am
Dpareja:

While those cases do indicate that the Supreme Court can come to certain messy outcomes in various types of cases, it doesn't really apply much to the idea that the rank and file, or the general public, can simply ignore rulings they don't feel like following.

I know what they meant by what they said. I'm just pointing out that they're technically not wrong, they're just not right in the way they think they're right.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 15, 2017, 02:03:18 pm
Careful at CNN lately guys, the wolves are circling.  Even Colin's had some of his comments removed.  The censors there are complete bastards.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 17, 2017, 11:54:12 am
I looked back through my old posts, nothing's gotten removed in a while.  I seem to be pretty good at avoiding that for whatever reason.

I've found it pretty funny, all these people lately saying atheism is a religion because the courts said so....when it's probably most of the same people who would say Obergefell isn't valid or whatever.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 18, 2017, 11:25:12 am
There is always a temptation to blast Christian News Network for their blatant fundie-centric stories and headlines.  I like to point it out when they bash Catholicism because it makes them look like the biggest hypocrites, but they cannot hide their hate.

They can never say "Pope Francis", for example.  It's always "Pope" Francis, or more irritatingly, "Jorge Bergoglio, the Roman Catholic leader known as Pope Francis".  Sometimes they'll say "pontiff known as...".

I learned not to call them out for it though, nothing brings the ban hammer down harder.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on May 18, 2017, 01:16:02 pm
I know the history of why different branches of Christianity have fought in the past but I still have trouble understanding why we STILL continue silly rivalry like this.

We have the same God and even though we disagree on some interpretations of how to hold faith this- Hate -that goes on beyond simple bickering is just stupid.

Luckily it's not everyone at least and it's just that in some regions, in some groups this hatred still exists.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 18, 2017, 04:15:29 pm
We have the same God and even though we disagree on some interpretations of how to hold faith this- Hate -that goes on beyond simple bickering is just stupid.

Over at good old Christian News Network, the hate borders on conspiracy theory.  I think I can say I've read it all now.  It's the Catholics they hate the most, hands down.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on May 18, 2017, 10:29:07 pm
So, will we be seeing the great Oboehner Judicial Review debate on the main page soon?  ;D

Also known as TheLastHonestLawyer, Parodyx and I try to convince Oboehner that observable reality is real.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 18, 2017, 10:39:36 pm
I submitted one of his earlier, but it was just a generalized calling out about how he buries his head in the sand and denies settled science as often as he draws breath. He is every rotten fundie stereotype rolled into one - evolution denier, Catholic hater, gay basher. Very interestingly - and probably only King of Rhye will recognize this name - but the utterly evil mod from hell Lady Checkmate has shown up to upvote him, Amos, Grace, etc.  She runs a channel on Disqus called Faith & Religion.  It's a fundie echo chamber with only a few people on it...she bans everyone else for simply disagreeing.  Colin Rafferty found his way over there last week and I was betting she would ban him before long.  You know, nice, friendly, reasonable Colin?  Anyway yes, she banned him as well.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 19, 2017, 02:07:29 pm
Lady Checkmate....yeah, I didn't last too long on her channel myself.  I wish I had saved the comments that got me banned, that was freakin' ridiculous.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 19, 2017, 06:30:13 pm
I wish I had saved the comments that got me banned, that was freakin' ridiculous.

SHE is freakin' ridiculous.  If she dared to post in the usual places (Christian News Network, Charisma, etc.) she'd be considered the fundiest fundie of them all.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 21, 2017, 07:49:47 pm
What is Amos Moses's problem in that he cannot comprehend that there is a line drawn between church and state?  Does he not wonder why the Ten Commandments statue was removed from public property, etc.?

Am I right that there's a clear law in place about this?  Forgive me, I am Canadian and am not always up on US law.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: dpareja on May 21, 2017, 08:01:34 pm
What is Amos Moses's problem in that he cannot comprehend that there is a line drawn between church and state?  Does he not wonder why the Ten Commandments statue was removed from public property, etc.?

Am I right that there's a clear law in place about this?  Forgive me, I am Canadian and am not always up on US law.

It's an argument over precisely what it means to establish a religion, and also (thanks, Slaughter-House Cases!) whether the Bill of Rights is actually incorporated against the states.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 22, 2017, 01:52:14 pm
Someone commented that it isn't fair to Grace Kim Kwon that we discuss her without giving her a chance to defend herself.  Do we care?  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: pyro on May 22, 2017, 04:21:39 pm
PM a link to this thread to her. Problem solved!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 22, 2017, 05:22:19 pm
Christian News Network doesn't need much prompting to ban and delete posts...they go after web links like piranha fish go after blood in the water.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on May 23, 2017, 07:12:02 am
Lady Checkmate can't even make a half-coherent argument.

["God loves everyone"]

"Then sex is love, therefore it logically follows that sex-workers fall in love every time they sleep with somebody, thus all love is a perversion of perverted sex except when it's two heterosexual Christians ordained by GAWD!!!"


...the fuck does that have to do with...?? Just... what. That's some insane troll logic, right there.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 23, 2017, 09:50:29 am
I've been looking for an opportunity to tell the story of Lady Checkmate, easily the evillest, nastiest piece of subhuman garbage ever.  So here it is.

My local newspaper in its online version has a commenting area for local news stories.  The comment area isn't part of the newspaper itself but provided by Disqus, a separate entity.  My first encounter with it was...at least five years ago.  I only knew of it as a "third party" forum you could add to your site, but didn't know that there was a whole world of topics and discussions you could go to on disqus.com as well.  Much like Yahoo Answers, except that on Disqus you can set up your own channel and moderate it. 

I'm not sure when they began the "anyone can create a channel and run and moderate it" model, it was well over a year ago, and they've since stopped allowing it because it brings with it its own problems.  Prior to that, Lady Checkmate had earned a reputation as a whiny, irritating bitch with a major persecution complex.  She was roundly despised by nearly all the moderators on Disqus for the way she conducted herself and was kind of dismissed as the resident whackjob. 

Then it came time for her to set up her own channel where she could run things as she pleased.  And so began the infamous "Faith & Religion" channel on Disqus.

To the casual observer on Disqus, it appears that Faith & Religion is one of the more popular areas to discuss religion - it has over 70,000 subscribers.  But if you peek in on the channel itself it seems that the only people talking are a handful.  So what gives?  Well, to say that Lady Checkmate runs a tight ship is the understatement of the year.  She is notorious for banning people for anything she perceives to be an infraction of her absurdly rigid rules...and even when people DON'T break them.  She will ban you for simply disagreeing with her or taking anything she considers to be an anti-Christian stance.  And it doesn't stop there.  Most of the people she's banned have been Christians but not of HER brand (she's a Seventh Day Adventist).  If you are a Disqus member and haven't tried out her channel, I invite you to see how long you last over there. 

The absolute worst thing about her though is that her "channel rules" which she points people to repeatedly are a joke.  She doesn't even follow the rules herself.  If she doesn't like what you posted, you are often just banned, deleted, removed with no warning.  It will appear as though you were never there at all.  She also runs a "mediation" channel where people who've been banned from her place can go to appeal to be reinstated.  It's a joke too because she's queen of the castle there too and she'll either delete outright the appeal message or simply deny it.

There are crazy and overzealous moderators all over the place at Disqus but the powers that be over there have decreed that the moderator is always right and there is no going over their heads.  So ultimately Lady C is free to run her channel as she likes.  Everyone knows about her though, and she's frequently the topic of discussion when it comes to nutty moderators.  That's always burned my ass personally because she has set up a channel called "Faith & Religion" which sounds like a broad enough topic of discussion that anyone can take part, and you think with over 70,000 people it must be a good place to chat.  She should have called her channel "Extreme right-wing Christian fundamentalists Only" because that's closer to what's going on.

I make a hobby of annoying her.  Since once she bans you that's it, I'll often create new accounts and post on her channel at 3 in the morning, posts that take her to task for her fascist attitude. Then at least I know my posts will have a few hours of visibility before her imperial hand can wipe them away.

As for the content on "Faith & Religion" itself...well.  I don't know why it never occurred to me before, but I will begin to submit her over-the-top craziness in regular submissions here.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on May 24, 2017, 11:13:14 am
Wooow. What a total wack-a-doo.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 24, 2017, 04:48:29 pm
Someone commented that it isn't fair to Grace Kim Kwon that we discuss her without giving her a chance to defend herself.  Do we care?  Asking for a friend.

Considering how she routinely insults huge segments of the American population, I feel absolutely no obligation to be nice to her in any way. 

It would be amusing to see her show up here or in a FSTDT comment section though....just to see her get torn a new one.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 25, 2017, 05:31:22 pm
It would be amusing to see her show up here or in a FSTDT comment section though....just to see her get torn a new one.

It's one of those things I dream of.  But she keeps to her safe areas, and rarely ventures out where she can be disagreed with and/or cannot control the conversation.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: dpareja on May 25, 2017, 05:41:13 pm
It would be amusing to see her show up here or in a FSTDT comment section though....just to see her get torn a new one.

It's one of those things I dream of.  But she keeps to her safe areas, and rarely ventures out where she can be disagreed with and/or cannot control the conversation.

She's afraid of being triggered by all the microaggressions out there.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on May 26, 2017, 05:16:08 pm
Someone commented that it isn't fair to Grace Kim Kwon that we discuss her without giving her a chance to defend herself.  Do we care?  Asking for a friend.

Considering how she routinely insults huge segments of the American population, I feel absolutely no obligation to be nice to her in any way. 

It would be amusing to see her show up here or in a FSTDT comment section though....just to see her get torn a new one.
I actually do kind of feel sorry for her. She seems mentally ill, like she suffers from some kind of disconnect with reality.

I don't see her trying to control any conversations; it's more like she's so far out in the weeds that she doesn't know or care what the conversation is about.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 26, 2017, 05:23:19 pm
I actually do kind of feel sorry for her. She seems mentally ill, like she suffers from some kind of disconnect with reality.

I don't see her trying to control any conversations; it's more like she's so far out in the weeds that she doesn't know or care what the conversation is about.

That's exactly how I feel.  I don't give her nearly the attention I give some of the others because she's so off the rails.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 27, 2017, 12:31:02 pm
There is always a temptation to blast Christian News Network for their blatant fundie-centric stories and headlines.  I like to point it out when they bash Catholicism because it makes them look like the biggest hypocrites, but they cannot hide e their hate.

They can never say "Pope Francis", for example.  It's always "Pope" Francis, or more irritatingly, "Jorge Bergoglio, the Roman Catholic leader known as Pope Francis".  Sometimes they'll say "pontiff known as...".

I learned not to call them out for it though, nothing brings the ban hammer down harder.

...and there's another one!  There's a story on there about Trump meeting Pope Francis, and yeah, he's "Roman Catholic leader Jorge Bergoglio, also known as “Pope Francis,”" again.  They can't even use the word Pope without quotes, I guess.

Hmm, perhaps it says something that I'm an atheist and I have no problem with that while some Christians do....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 27, 2017, 02:12:02 pm
Christian News Network is blatantly anti-Catholic, and some of the most obnoxious fundies on it (Oboehner, Reason2012, Amos, Jason Todd and others) are some of the worst anti-Catholics there.  I have a lot of issues with the Catholic church but I was raised Catholic and know their fundie BS when I smell it, so I often find myself defending the Catholics. 

At least they're not opposed to evolution.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 27, 2017, 08:33:30 pm
I guess I'm just not up on my theology or something, because I've been trying to understand the latest stuff Amos is telling me and it really makes no damn sense.  It's all predestined if we're going to be saved or not (since "before time began", not that phrase makes sense either) yet people somehow have a choice still?  How the hell does that work?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 27, 2017, 10:59:22 pm
He's maddening because he's so completely stupid.  I got into it with him big time earlier because I pointed out to him that people have different interpretations of scripture, and he responded that the Bible says not to add to scripture.  I told him interpreting was not adding, it was just understanding.  He disagreed.  I gave him a DICTIONARY DEFINITION of "interpret" to show him that the word means understanding, and that everyone who reads scripture has their own interpretation of it, and he STILL fought me saying "scripture interprets scripture". 

I submitted that whole exchange a few minutes ago, it should appear tomorrow.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 27, 2017, 11:00:23 pm
I guess I'm just not up on my theology or something, because I've been trying to understand the latest stuff Amos is telling me and it really makes no damn sense.  It's all predestined if we're going to be saved or not (since "before time began", not that phrase makes sense either) yet people somehow have a choice still?  How the hell does that work?

Ooh, calvinist predestination.

Fun philosophical question to play with, I think. Though I can't fault anyone for taking a look at it, calling bullshit, and not being concerned with it further.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2017, 01:23:52 am
Ok, it goes like this: If I look up from crystal ball that predicts future with 100% accuracy to see what you will have for breakfast tomorrow... Do you still have free will? It has now been foreseen what that breakfast will be but if I do not tell you about it, or in any other way will not try to interfere with your life... Does this affect you? Has your free will been reduced? On one hand now there is only one way this next breakfast will play out ...on the other hand, there is nothing forcing you to have that food and the reasons you eat it are the same even if I had not used my crystal ball.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 28, 2017, 07:40:03 am
Seems to me that if such a crystal ball exists, then no, there is no free will, just the illusion of it.  I always thought that if there was such a thing, a crystal ball, it would show the most likely possible future or something.  What would happen if everything keeps going the way it is, in other words.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2017, 08:00:10 am
See, this is the bit I don't get.

Why does someone knowing the future mean that there is no free will? As far as I've understood it, you can say all you want about how the future could branch off into different paths but we have this one timeline and in order for someone to have made a different choice at some point it would require that something had been different. Otherwise even if there is only one timeline because with no "outside" interference things will play out in exactly one way.

Now if someone uses their knowledge of the future to change things then that would either create a new timeline and the prediction would become false or the future-vision would already show what is going to happen and the person looking into the future will always cause the same future to happen even if they actively try to prevent it. Even then, is it really a lack of free will? Just because I play a rigged game doesn't mean that my mind is being controlled.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 28, 2017, 10:53:00 am
Thus, we see the problem with prophecies in more...creative media.  Unless it is either just a possibility (as in, not 100% certain) or extremely vague, they tend to completely undermine any sense of dramatic tension.  If a prophet says something will happen, and he's never wrong, then no matter ​what you do, that thing is going to happen.  You have no choice in the matter.  You might have free will, but it doesn't mean a thing, since the wheels of prophecy will move despite your own actions; every choice is rendered meaningless.

It is, essentially, a predestination paradox.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2017, 11:00:02 am
a) It's not the prophecy forcing you to do it if it simply was a 100% accurate vision of the future. It would not be 100% accurate if it didn't factor in how you knowing what is about to happen will affect you. I mean it could show you saving the president from an assassination which is what you want to do.

b) If the prophesy was a vision of the future based on how it WOULD HAVE gone without any tampering, then the knowledge gained from the vision would let you affect the future. ...Except that now it can only be used as a "if I want this to happen I should act as if I didn't have this extra info, if I want to prevent it then I can act based on it BUT that would mean that the future has been changed and I don't know what else will change."
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 28, 2017, 11:54:28 am
I don't know....it's like when you start talking about time travel, and you get into paradoxes and all that.  It makes my head hurt after a while.   :o

"I'm into paradoxes. I wanted to make an album about them, but the group told me I was a pretentious fart. They were right."
-- Brian May
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2017, 01:36:02 pm
Reminds me of this:
(http://www.bobandgeorge.com/archives/comics/0103/010325.png)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Svata on May 28, 2017, 03:37:55 pm
Wow. Deep cuts with the bob and george strip.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2017, 03:39:56 pm
I could have posted an Oglaf strip with annoying and paradoxical time travel but the Bob and George "I hate time travel" joke as always funny. And a lot less NSFW.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Svata on May 28, 2017, 06:22:20 pm
Sooo... Today's Oglaf?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 29, 2017, 01:51:27 pm
Does anyone else find Christian News Network to be a clickbait-ridden, slow, annoying website (apart from the obvious content issues)?

I had to run an anti-Malware program recently and it found some stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if their website was the problem.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 02, 2017, 07:32:17 pm
A couple of thoughts/theories about Oboehner:

I keep waffling about the question:  troll or non-troll?

Because if he is a troll, I'm going to give him his due:  He is a MASTER CLASS.  He manages to outrage his opponents with his combination of lazy research and condescending sneering.  There isn't a bit of proof you can throw at him that he doesn't expertly sneer away...point to libraries and universities and classrooms for evolution?  All of it is "appealing to authority".  He'll tell you that evolutionary biologists are in on the conspiracy, as are the schools that teach evolution in science classes.  Reduces all of it to faith, while never ONCE revealing his own belief system (which I can't identify myself after all this time - I just think of him as General Ultra-Right Fundamentalist).

But - if he's NOT a troll, and actually believes all the things he writes?  I'm going to call him a menace to society.  An absolutely terrifying person, made worse by the fact that he has offspring.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 05, 2017, 07:25:48 am
This new one Rureadymatt... whatever. Long, irritating username.

Anyway, she's quite the piece of work. (I'm pretty sure it's a she.) She keeps making pronouncements that she can't back up. "This study is junk science! "This court ruling is ridiculous!" I've asked her several times to explain what she means, but she just deflects and accuses me of being a troll, or having "circular, fallacious" arguments that "wouldn't stand up in college." Naturally, she never says what's wrong with them, or even what "arguments" she's referring to.

I asked her to explain why a certain court ruling was ridiculous, and what part she disagreed with. The point being, of course, to point out that she knew nothing of the ruling, what the issue the court was asked to rule on and what it ruled. True to form, she just snapped at me about "clouding the issue with flowery words" or some such. (Essentially, "I don't understand the procedural nuances of law, so I'm just going to say that any ruling in favor of a transgender person is wrong because the law is whatever I say it is.")

Once, she went on a diatribe about how all trolls should be banned, along with a long copypasta about what kinds of trolls there were on the internet. The whole thing got removed by the mods, en masse. I guess, as crazy as it sounds, showing up somewhere and ordering the people in charge to make it more to your liking WITHING YOUR FIRST TWO DAYS doesn't go over well.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 06, 2017, 12:21:19 pm
I saw that one.  Didn't know it was a woman.  I did notice lots of stuff getting deleted recently, maybe they outright banned her.  Wouldn't be the first time they removed one of their own.  I recall when they removed The Last Trump...that was pure, sweet relief because the guy was such a horrible human being.  Top of the list of the people I wish they'd ban is "Guest" (with the menorah avatar) - followed closely by Oboehner.  The former is a troll for sure.  The latter is just an idiot.

I had a comment banned myself yesterday.  I simply asked Oboehner which law school he graduated from.  And they DELETED that! 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 06, 2017, 04:43:42 pm
I saw that one.  Didn't know it was a woman.  I did notice lots of stuff getting deleted recently, maybe they outright banned her.  Wouldn't be the first time they removed one of their own.  I recall when they removed The Last Trump...that was pure, sweet relief because the guy was such a horrible human being.  Top of the list of the people I wish they'd ban is "Guest" (with the menorah avatar) - followed closely by Oboehner.  The former is a troll for sure.  The latter is just an idiot.

I had a comment banned myself yesterday.  I simply asked Oboehner which law school he graduated from.  And they DELETED that!

Actually, I think they cut a giant chunk of that just because me and Oboehner were nipping at each other unproductively. You were just collateral damage although I suspect they didn't much like your comment either.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 06, 2017, 05:39:35 pm
That "DKELForAmerica" guy is really ticking me off already, after one conversation with him.  Asked him a simple question about a statement HE made, but do I get a straight answer?  Hell no.  Apparently I need to take a history lesson or something.  You'd think someone that makes the statement that the US Constitution is based on Christian values would be ready with an answer when someone (like me) asks him which ones in particular.  I think he did just about the same to Ambulance Chaser.  I guess he thinks no one is on his intellectual level or something.

Then he makes the statement that "the American people voted for Trump."  Sorry, but actually they didn't, the Electoral College did.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 06, 2017, 08:58:26 pm
That "DKELForAmerica" guy is really ticking me off already, after one conversation with him.  Asked him a simple question about a statement HE made, but do I get a straight answer?  Hell no.  Apparently I need to take a history lesson or something.  You'd think someone that makes the statement that the US Constitution is based on Christian values would be ready with an answer when someone (like me) asks him which ones in particular.  I think he did just about the same to Ambulance Chaser.  I guess he thinks no one is on his intellectual level or something.

Then he makes the statement that "the American people voted for Trump."  Sorry, but actually they didn't, the Electoral College did.

It's the basic CNN refrain: Fundie makes a ludicrous statement, liberal asks him to explain himself, and fundie responds with insults, irrelevancies, misdirection, changes the subject, demeans liberal's intelligence/parentage/beliefs/qualifications OR LITERALLY ANYTHING BUT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

I'm pretty much immune to it by now. You'd have to really crank it up to a new level before my blood starts boiling. DKelf doesn't quite rise to that level. No one since they booted Royce really does. He's my gold standard.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 06, 2017, 11:04:09 pm
I'm just amazed they haven't banned me.  They must have different people moderating than they used to.  I used to get banned at the drop of a hat. I've had at least ten names on CNN.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 12, 2017, 12:41:45 am
Parodyx was banned tonight.  So was Colin Rafferty I believe.

I will be back shortly with a new name.  I hope Colin returns too.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 13, 2017, 08:44:57 am
Oh my God, is there even one person on that site who understands burden of proof??

Yesterday, Guest Verified kept telling me that trans isn't inborn, and there's no science that says it is. I showed him some that does, so he said "Well, that's debunked."

I said "When? Where? By whom?"

"By science. There's a website that shows retracted papers."

"Yeah, these aren't on it."

"Those are puff pieces. Old and debunked."

"WHEN!??"

"Puff pieces."

Then, today, I have a new idiot, Scorched Earth, who thinks the student suing her college for forcing her to sit through a poetry class where she didn't like the poems has "a good case."

I said, "For what?"

"Discrimination."

"What kind of discrimination? Under what theory? What statute?"

"You must not be much of a lawyer if you don't know."

God DAMMIT you idiots! YOU make the claim, YOU provide the evidence! It's not the job of the person you're debating with to make your case for you!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 13, 2017, 10:25:10 am
Guest Verified is a troll.  He is good at finding the buttons to push and pushes them over and over.

Scorched Earth must be a new one. I do notice that since Christian News Network "cleaned house" and removed a large percentage of the people speaking out against the "Christians Behaving Badly" it seems more echo chamber-ish than usual.  But I also know that is usually short-lived.  Tried hard to make contact with Colin Rafferty, he's obviously very smart and was a great asset there for a while but I don't know his intentions because he doesn't often respond to me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 13, 2017, 11:51:37 pm
Christian News Network seems to have an influx of new ultra-right wing Christian members.  I suspect they came over from Lady Checkmate's channel.

Have a look - if you can stand the bigoted comments:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/elementary_school_principal_announces_to_parents_that_she_will_transition_into_man/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 15, 2017, 10:35:22 am
If you're Scorched Earth, your tactic will be to obstruct, deflect, deny, change the subject, and literally do anything BUT discuss the actual topic!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 15, 2017, 01:02:13 pm
I am pretty sure Scorched Earth is just a sock account of Guest Verified.  They talk the same way and have identical styles and you are never quite certain if they are trolling or not (spoiler alert: they are).  Also it's interesting how Scorched shows up right when Guest is in need of "help".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 15, 2017, 04:25:11 pm
I'll take your word for it. It's hard for me to tell because No Straight Answer Syndrome seems to be a chronic and communicable disease over at CNN.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 15, 2017, 04:48:15 pm
You mean from Scorched Guest?  Yeah, I get all the same stuff.  You ask for proof and he'll tell you he's told you ten times when he hasn't told you once.  You ask for a link and he'll say he can't because the system doesn't allow it (which is true, but only the biggest moron can't figure out a workaround to that).  "I told you already" and "it's in the original article" and every other dodge is all they seem to have in their playbook.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 18, 2017, 05:45:27 pm
And then there's Reason2012 who is going to hurt himself from patting himself on the back so much. He keeps finding hypocrisy by misunderstanding what's going on in most any situation.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 18, 2017, 06:15:46 pm
Lady Checkmate from Disqus has found her way over to Christian News Network.  Never says anything but thumbs up all the bigots, especially Grace and Amos.

And she's been stealing some of their stories and re-posting them on her own channel.  Today it was the one about Canadians supposedly legalizing bestiality.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 18, 2017, 09:17:48 pm
Is there an award for the most quoting of scripture without actually saying anything? Several names come to mind.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 18, 2017, 09:56:14 pm
Is there an award for the most quoting of scripture without actually saying anything? Several names come to mind.
Amos is the king in that department.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on June 19, 2017, 09:57:46 am
Just wanna reiterate something I already said in a comment earlier: even after all my years at FSTDT and my being at the helm for a little under six months, it still kinda boggles my mind that Lady Checkmate isn't a Poe. This crazy-ass bitch is just that over-the-top, overwrought, and melodramatic.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 19, 2017, 02:01:20 pm
Just wanna reiterate something I already said in a comment earlier: even after all my years at FSTDT and my being at the helm for a little under six months, it still kinda boggles my mind that Lady Checkmate isn't a Poe. This crazy-ass bitch is just that over-the-top, overwrought, and melodramatic.

And yet her fundieness isn't even the worst thing about her.  Her ridiculous paranoid censorship is far more annoying.  She runs what looks on the surface like a discussion channel about "Faith & Religion" - that's what she calls it - but if you express an opinion she does not like, she BANS you, using the excuse "this is a CHRISTIAN forum, please read the rules".  No second chances.  Which makes the warning pointless.  Even if you're polite, even if you're a Christian.  You must be HER brand of Christian and agree with her about EVERYTHING.  No exceptions! It's really quite remarkable. I urge everyone to try posting on her channel.  See how long you last.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 19, 2017, 02:34:01 pm
I wonder if Bro. Randy is still married. Because he and Lady Checkate would make a cute little tyrannical couple.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 19, 2017, 03:03:05 pm
I wonder if Bro. Randy is still married. Because he and Lady Checkate would make a cute little tyrannical couple.

Who's this?  I am uninitiated.
PS.  You should add your Lionel Hutz avatar now.  You have more than ten posts now so you can add one.  I love that avatar.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 19, 2017, 08:49:17 pm
Look him up on the main page. He used to be the fuhrer of Teens-4-Christ.

I've been trying to get an avatar to work but it seems not to. Let me try it from a Windows PC.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 19, 2017, 09:02:54 pm
Shy helped me with mine.  You need to upload the picture to a site like imageshack or Dropbox and then link to it.  Uploading to this site didn't seem to work for me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: dpareja on June 19, 2017, 09:23:46 pm
Shy helped me with mine.  You need to upload the picture to a site like imageshack or Dropbox and then link to it.  Uploading to this site didn't seem to work for me.

I just linked to my avatar from another forum on which I post.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 21, 2017, 11:03:24 am
Lady Checkmate has finally snapped completely by the way:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/persecution_alt_left_troll_issues_death_threat_and_demands_we_close_our_christian_channel/

This was submitted but she may take this post down before it gets approved here.  Most interesting is the claim of death threats but she presents none she's received.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 23, 2017, 07:10:24 pm
I'm so confused as to how Amos Moses and Jason Todd think law works. They keep insisting that judicial rulings aren't law but won't say what is. Who gets to decide if judges don't? (I get the distinct impression that they believe that Amos Moses and Jason Todd do.)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 23, 2017, 07:18:27 pm
I AM THE LAW!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 23, 2017, 10:49:20 pm
<Amos>
Honest judges who have God’s Word and have an originalist view of our Founding Fathers* Christian capitalist interpretation, guided of course by the laws of Moses (except for those dealing with shrimp). All sitting judges are bought liberal hacks.

* Must be from Pilgrim stock not the folks that actually wrote and signed the Constitution.
</Amos><periods omitted>
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 24, 2017, 12:12:20 am
On reflection, while watering my yard, I think that the idea that unjust laws do not need to be followed plays a large part of their thinking (I use this term loosely). This line of though does have some judicial merit in that it was the US position during the Nuremberg trails. And certainly freedom of religion, including for them the over zealous right to proselytize, is a human right. However, while they seem to wish to claim this right for themselves, they see no reason to extend the right to other groups.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: dpareja on June 24, 2017, 12:36:38 am
However, while they seem to wish to claim this right for themselves, they see no reason to extend the right to other groups.

Why should they? After all, they're right and all those other groups are wrong.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 26, 2017, 09:10:59 pm
The latest from Amos:  I am Ambulance Chaser, using a sock account.

Sigh.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/nebraska_tri_faith_initiative_building_church_synagogue_mosque_side_by_side/#comment-3387045960
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 27, 2017, 10:20:29 am
The latest from Amos:  I am Ambulance Chaser, using a sock account.

Sigh.

That's News to me!

Also news to me, I'm a "lying, amoral pedo defender."

http://christiannews.net/2017/06/26/u-s-supreme-court-rules-arkansas-must-allow-lesbian-spouses-to-be-listed-on-birth-certificates/

Jason Todd (obviously). He's truly a despicable human being. He's dumb as a post, and as angry and hate-filled as a rabid animal. That's a very bad combination.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 27, 2017, 12:14:28 pm
Jason Todd (obviously). He's truly a despicable human being. He's dumb as a post, and as angry and hate-filled as a rabid animal. That's a very bad combination.

What frustrates me about him is that he blocks you the second you start to point out that he's got his head up his butt.

I called Guest Verified out to prove I was you.  He made something up about the newser website and Colin Rafferty (who was banned weeks ago and seems to stick to Charisma News now).  He doesn't even try - lamest troll of them all.

** Check your private messages, I think I have given you a good avatar link that should work.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 27, 2017, 12:51:28 pm
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What frustrates me about him is that he blocks you the second you start to point out that he's got his head up his butt.

He likes Michael C though, for some reason.

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** Check your private messages, I think I have given you a good avatar link that should work.

Thanks. I'll have to try it when I get home.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 28, 2017, 11:06:17 pm
Jason Todd is one of the worst people ever to use a computer.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: The_Queen on June 28, 2017, 11:45:35 pm
Oh my God, is there even one person on that site who understands burden of proof??

Yesterday, Guest Verified kept telling me that trans isn't inborn, and there's no science that says it is. I showed him some that does, so he said "Well, that's debunked."

I said "When? Where? By whom?"

"By science. There's a website that shows retracted papers."

"Yeah, these aren't on it."

"Those are puff pieces. Old and debunked."

"WHEN!??"

"Puff pieces."

Then, today, I have a new idiot, Scorched Earth, who thinks the student suing her college for forcing her to sit through a poetry class where she didn't like the poems has "a good case."

I said, "For what?"

"Discrimination."

"What kind of discrimination? Under what theory? What statute?"

"You must not be much of a lawyer if you don't know."

God DAMMIT you idiots! YOU make the claim, YOU provide the evidence! It's not the job of the person you're debating with to make your case for you!

Jeez, you really don't have a robust understanding of law; that girl has a solid, solid case against her poetry professor.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 29, 2017, 06:25:33 am
Jeez, you really don't have a robust understanding of law; that girl has a solid, solid case against her poetry professor.

OK, this is the part where you tell us what that is.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on June 29, 2017, 06:55:55 am
Jeez, you really don't have a robust understanding of law; that girl has a solid, solid case against her poetry professor.

OK, this is the part where you tell us what that is.

She was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Svata on June 29, 2017, 07:45:29 am
She's fucking with you. Queen's the sarcastic type, y'see.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 29, 2017, 09:06:15 am
Sorry, folks, I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: The_Queen on June 29, 2017, 10:25:52 am
Jeez, you really don't have a robust understanding of law; that girl has a solid, solid case against her poetry professor.

OK, this is the part where you tell us what that is.

I'm not one to write long treatises on law explaining the issue. Nevertheless, I'll point you in the right direction. Poetry often invokes symbols and imagery as means of expression, chiefly birds. Therefore, I suggest you begin your research into this question by boning up on your understanding of bird law.

ETA: Well, fudge. Everyone here had to go and let the bird out of the bag.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 29, 2017, 03:47:23 pm
Hey Ambulance Chaser, I see some of your comments are being silently deleted.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 29, 2017, 07:23:59 pm
Hey Ambulance Chaser, I see some of your comments are being silently deleted.

"Silently" is a good word for it. Their rules, if they exist at all, are hidden, secret, and enforced without any consistency. I can see why they tossed the whole conversation between Zampogna and Jason Todd about what an idiot Jason was being. While true, it was getting a bit nasty.

I sort of understand why they got rid of my comment to Meamsane and Jason Todd about how, if they wanted to talk about me, to say it to my face, because that comment was a bit belligerent on my part.

What I don't understand is when that idiot Coach asked me what I would say if the Supreme Court, the Senate, and the President all thought I should be put to death, would that be legal? I responded, "I would say that you've moved the conversation into a level of absurdity that no longer requires a serious answer." They deleted that comment as well, which I see no problem with. There's no need for me to have to indulge in ludicrous, nonsense hypotheticals that don't exist in any reality close to this one and I don't think it's fair that I should be expected to.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 29, 2017, 07:27:56 pm
By the way, this position that has taken hold over at CNN that Supreme Court rulings, for one reason or another, are not law/not binding/can be ignored is about as absurd as it possibly can get. This is simply not a legal argument that exists. No lawyer, anywhere in America, believes this. We don't sit around discussing whether a certain SCOTUS ruling is "constitutional" or not, and we don't EVER file briefs in which we advocate ignoring the highest case law on a given subject.

It would be like walking into a discussion of civil engineers and stopping the conversation until they convince you that the Pythagorean Theorum is actually correct, then refusing to accept that it is.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 29, 2017, 07:49:14 pm
By the way, this position that has taken hold over at CNN that Supreme Court rulings, for one reason or another, are not law/not binding/can be ignored...

Unfortunately I am finding that attitude appearing on several other websites as well. I really liked your response explaining the limits to the court.  Clearly I think our system is better, however, we could have a "Game of Thrones" trial by combat. Sarah Palin vs. Jason Stallman (for NYT). Or how about just a simple coin toss.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 29, 2017, 08:13:40 pm
Unfortunately I am finding that attitude appearing on several other websites as well. I really liked your response explaining the limits to the Court.

I was worried about it too, but then I asked my buddy at work today if he was. He shrugged and said, "How many years have the Sovereign Citizens been trying this same nonsense? And how far have they gotten? And they don't restrict their nonsense to being keyboard warriors, they ACTUALLY try their crap in court!"

So then I felt better.

ETA: Sorry, I forgot to say thanks for the compliment. But thanks. :)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 29, 2017, 10:59:14 pm
I wonder if there is anyplace to take the Christian News Network staff to task about their ovezealous moderation.  I guess it's their show and they can run it as they like, but they excuse some of the WORST behavior from Christians.  In fact I think that's what makes the place so satisfying to hang out, the non-fundies always behave so much better than the fundies do.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 30, 2017, 12:17:54 am
I guess it's their show

Face it, Christian News Network is click bait. Reflect on their economic model - every time  you type a reply, up arrow, down arrow, or hit the “more comments” button you are putting money in their pocket. A lively back and forth with some idiot makes them money.

Look at all the pop up ads. Go do a web search for some strange product and see how fast ads for that product show up at CNN. Go to a strange computer (library, etc.) and see the default ads. Now you know their demographics.

If you get banned, you will be right back faster that my computer’s refresh rate. afchief made them a lot of money. At some point the mods will shut down crazy, but they, if they are smart and they appear to be, they will be watching the numbers and like with AC's posts earlier today simply silently delete back and forth name calling. Currently the mods don’t want to lose either punter.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 30, 2017, 12:37:26 am
It is a horrible, horrible site for clickbait, yeah.  Its founder's name is Michael Marcavage, and he's also the founder of something called Repent America.  A total wingnut.

The stories on there tend to be written by two people, Heather Clark and some other guy, I forget his name.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 30, 2017, 04:43:46 am
Direct from CNN: Planned Parenthood Gives ….
Round 8: Sharon_at_home verse Amos Moses - He>i

They are way off topic, but throwing scripture quotes at a near blinding rate.
This fight is not win-able. While I like Sharon’s position somewhat better (she does have an inerrant view of scripture, conflicted ideas on free will, etc). I actually think Amos has a somewhat more accurate (and totally appalling) take on scripture and free will as applied to Christian theology.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 30, 2017, 08:04:08 am
Direct from CNN: Planned Parenthood Gives ….
Round 8: Sharon_at_home verse Amos Moses - He>i

They are way off topic, but throwing scripture quotes at a near blinding rate.
This fight is not win-able. While I like Sharon’s position somewhat better (she does have an inerrant view of scripture, conflicted ideas on free will, etc). I actually think Amos has a somewhat more accurate (and totally appalling) take on scripture and free will as applied to Christian theology.
Don't you love that though, in some ways? For years at that place it was fundies vs. everyone else but now there is Sharon so it's crazy Christians vs. Not quite as crazy Christians.  And Amos isn't just pretending No True Scotsman doesn't exist anymore, he is actively proving it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on June 30, 2017, 10:14:54 am
Bible archery is probably the second official sport of fundie Christians after mental gymnastics. If you blindly throw out enough Bible verses, surely one of them might hit the target.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: pyro on June 30, 2017, 11:51:16 am
Bible archery is probably the second official sport of fundie Christians after mental gymnastics. If you blindly throw out enough Bible verses, surely one of them might hit the target.

I think Biblical Bullet Spam might be a better description.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on June 30, 2017, 12:06:08 pm
Touché!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on June 30, 2017, 12:14:45 pm
Volley fire.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 30, 2017, 12:19:19 pm
The latest from Amos Moses on Christian News Network is that Christianity chooses you, you do not choose IT.  He can identify false Christians because he is one of the "anointed".  When asked about interpretation of the gospel, he insists that interpretation means ADDING to the gospel and no one should ever do that.  When you try to point out the dictionary definition of "interpretation" and how it has NOTHING to do with adding, he says he listens to scripture ahead of the dictionary.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: pyro on June 30, 2017, 02:15:04 pm
Alright, so has he got a chapter and verse?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 30, 2017, 02:17:37 pm
Alright, so has he got a chapter and verse?
For.
Absolutely.
Everything.

How often are they relevant to what's being asked of him though?  Almost never.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 01, 2017, 02:22:39 am
The latest from Amos Moses ... he says he listens to scripture ahead

Yes, I do think he may very well be hearing voices in this head.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 01, 2017, 01:10:24 pm
Jason Todd is literally consumed with this single-minded obsession he has with talking about some comments I made about the Rind study, some years back when he used to post as SlidellMan4Life. I was trying to have a conversation about what was and was not in the Rind Study, and what common misconceptions there are about it. Jason/SlidellMan took some comments I made COMPLETLY out of context, and has been insisting I'm a pedophile ever since.

Now, he brings it up to everyone he meets, repeatedly telling them I'm a pedophile and I defended Rind and his pedophile study. I've tried multiple times to have an intelligent discussion about what it was I said but he started out by not listening and hearing what he wanted to hear, then just blocked me so I couldn't defend myself.

He is a very dangerous combination of angry and stupid.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 01, 2017, 01:54:04 pm
Jason Todd is literally consumed with this single-minded obsession he has with talking about some comments I made about the Rind study, some years back when he used to post as SlidellMan4Life. I was trying to have a conversation about what was and was not in the Rind Study, and what common misconceptions there are about it. Jason/SlidellMan took some comments I made COMPLETLY out of context, and has been insisting I'm a pedophile ever since.

Now, he brings it up to everyone he meets, repeatedly telling them I'm a pedophile and I defended Rind and his pedophile study. I've tried multiple times to have an intelligent discussion about what it was I said but he started out by not listening and hearing what he wanted to hear, then just blocked me so I couldn't defend myself.

He is a very dangerous combination of angry and stupid.

He did that earlier, mentioned you and the RIND study.  I wanted to comment but didn't know what you said or what he would like everyone to think you said.  Wording is important though, I mean, even if the APA discovers pedophilia IS an orientation, it doesn't mean they are saying everyone should accept the wholesale abuse of minors.

Amos is going off the rails big time too.  Christianity is apparently not a religion.  I pointed out the dictionary definition which says it is.  He said Christianity is not bound by the rules of the dictionary.  Just like when he said the No True Scotsman fallacy doesn't apply to Christianity.  He really makes Christianity out to be a form of very powerful magic.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 01, 2017, 10:14:37 pm

Amos is going off the rails big time too.  Christianity is apparently not a religion.  I pointed out the dictionary definition which says it is.  He said Christianity is not bound by the rules of the dictionary.  Just like when he said the No True Scotsman fallacy doesn't apply to Christianity.  He really makes Christianity out to be a form of very powerful magic.

That's an old one.  It doesn't make any damn sense to me either, but I've heard it a few times before.  Christianity isn't a religion, it's a "personal relationship with God" blah blah blah.  Or something along those lines....

Hmm...I guess if it's not a religion, then First Amendment protections and anti-discrimination law don't apply to it, right?  And someone will have to tell all the Christian churches they have to start paying taxes, too.

Oboehner might not agree with him, though.  I've been going back and forth with him recently, he insists atheism is a religion because it fits the Merriam Webster definition (1 of the 4 given) that goes "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith".  I tried to understand how he thinks atheism is a "system" of anything, but he had no answer for that, I guess.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 01, 2017, 11:01:44 pm
That's Oboehner to a T.  One of his favorite pastimes, taking everything his opposition does and reducing it to what he does.  So atheism is religion, evolution is as well.  And even settled science is appeal to authority.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 03, 2017, 10:51:38 am
To specifically the active people in Christian News Network commenting, Ambulance Chaser, bob j, KingofRhye, others?

Do you guys downvote?  I recommend it if you've got the time.  Most browsers by default don't display them but you can get Firefox and Chrome add-ons which show downvotes in addition to the upvotes we already see and it is VERY revealing.  When the fundies want to band together to bash on a specific answer, it's not uncommon to see 25 downvotes.  It's happened to me.  Fortunately I fight back, and I have to say it's very satisfying to downvote Amos, Grace, Oboehner, Guest Verified, Jason Todd, etc. etc...

Interesting too is that Lady Checkmate wanders over from her safe domain (!) but only to upvote/downvote.  She doesn't dare speak out loud because she doesn't want to open any communication about her own behavior.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 03, 2017, 01:31:24 pm
I should downvote more often, I forget about that.  I didn't know that about the add-ons, though, gotta look into that.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 03, 2017, 01:38:25 pm
I do sometimes but it doesn't seem to do much, so I don't really make a point of it. Can I get the add on for Safari? Most of my web usage is on my phone or iPad. I have a Windows desktop but I don't have much time to use it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 03, 2017, 02:10:31 pm
It seems to only exist for Chrome and Firefox, but maybe if you do a more extensive search.   Just make the words be "Disqus downvote revealer".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 03, 2017, 05:17:39 pm
Ambulance Chaser - no it is not available for Safari.

I check out down votes on Chrome, but it does not provide names. Does the Firefox plug-in provide names for down votes?

I seldom provide down votes since they are not seen and only provide more “hits” so CNN makes more money. It also tells the mods where the action is occurring (traffic analysis).

Techie Tip: With all browsers you can view the source code. This includes names and comments for all deleted messages.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 03, 2017, 05:23:01 pm
No none of the downvote revealers tell you who did it.  Even when showing downvotes was the norm it was always in an anonymous way.  I do it because I know the fundies hate being downvoted, and some get into temper tantrums about it.

I have tried to view the source to see deleted messages in the past, it works on Christian News Network but doesn't seem to work on any of the Disqus pages.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 03, 2017, 06:46:22 pm
I  have also noted that Christian News Network has been crashing my “web.content” thread in the Safari browser fairly often.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: shy on July 05, 2017, 08:27:12 am
I want to throttle Royce through the screen every time I read one of that cretin's quotes. You have patience of steel, Ambulance Chaser.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 05, 2017, 10:28:17 am
My hat is likewise off to Ambulance Chaser.  His posts are always so well reasoned and reference the best sources of information.  To have posted as much as he has at Christian News Network without being banned is no mean feat. 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on July 05, 2017, 07:02:51 pm
I've had a fun foray into their network. My posts keep getting deleted, so I assume I'm annoying them. My last one was posting the dictionary definition of evolution when asked what I thought evolution was. Amusing how they can't deal with even that...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 05, 2017, 07:21:37 pm
I wield the dictionary like a brickbat on that channel but people like Amos Moses are so completely impervious to facts and logic that they continually fight against it like Dracula to garlic. He insists that scripture trumps the dictionary, even when you point out that the role of scripture isn't to provide word definitions.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 05, 2017, 11:01:08 pm
My hat is likewise off to Ambulance Chaser.  His posts are always so well reasoned and reference the best sources of information.  To have posted as much as he has at Christian News Network without being banned is no mean feat. 
I want to throttle Royce through the screen every time I read one of that cretin's quotes. You have patience of steel, Ambulance Chaser.
Thank you, that's very kind of you both.

I do believe that if I had to pick, Royce would have to be my choice as the single, #1 most annoying human being I have EVER spoken to. He beats out Amos Moses (who is less obnoxious) and Jason a Todd (not as smug or stupid). He beats my third year law school roommate, who had no social skills and left me notes not to touch the thermostat! And he beats my psycho ex girlfriend from college--the less said about her the better.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 06, 2017, 11:56:19 am
There's a new guy around who got very interested in the Christian News Network crap after seeing some and not believing what he was seeing with his own eyes, especially regarding Amos.  He was on one of the Disqus religion boards (not crazy Lady Checkmate's but a more liberal-minded one).  So he may show up here...hope he does, because he was kryptonite against Amos earlier from what I read.

His name (there at least) was Sedagive.  NOT to be confused with the Jehovah's Witness idiot who has his stuff reported here on occasion, but what appears to be a clone of that account.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 06, 2017, 02:12:35 pm
More breaking news..
The new Grace Kwon seems to have been banned. The old Grace hasn't posted on Christian News Network for a couple of weeks - currently she is posting at LifeSiteNews.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 06, 2017, 03:27:32 pm
Lady Checkmate....yeah, I didn't last too long on her channel myself.  I wish I had saved the comments that got me banned, that was freakin' ridiculous.

You should be able to scroll back in time on your Disqus page and find your deleted comments. They should be somewhat easy to spot because the message will have the red “removed” sign.

I looked back through my old posts, nothing's gotten removed in a while.

Well at least one post just got the axe. Noodle that
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 06, 2017, 04:00:04 pm
Is the bannination of the "New Grace" the reason for all the holes I'm seeing in the Christian News Network discussions today?  Did they ban someone else too?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 06, 2017, 04:26:03 pm
Is the bannination of the "New Grace" the reason for all the holes I'm seeing in the Christian News Network discussions today?  Did they ban someone else too?

There seems to be a general house cleaning. TheKing has had at least one post removed. The old Grace seems to have fewer recent messages. It is hard to tell who's posts are removed. However, if you check the number of comments at the top of an article while the page is still loading and compare that number to the number after the page fully loads, you will find big drops all over the site.



Update: Jocasta, to open multiple Disqus accounts do you need multiple emails? Or can you have the multiple accounts all under the same email address?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 06, 2017, 05:16:04 pm
I think it is one Disqus account to every one email address.  For the question of how to continue to post there after they ban you and ban your computer's ip address...I will address that one privately if you need to know!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 06, 2017, 07:34:21 pm
Wait a minute.....old Grace, new Grace?  What are you guys talking about?  I must have missed something...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 06, 2017, 07:50:35 pm
Wait a minute.....old Grace, new Grace?  What are you guys talking about?  I must have missed something...

Oh, about a week ago Grace Kim Kwon stopped posting at CNN and a Grace Kwon started posting. Today new Grace seems to have been banned - for the last few days she has been complaining about the non-christian mods. Also today our old Gracie started posting over at LifeSiteNews.

Also: Check your messages.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 08, 2017, 12:24:10 am
I don't know about you guys, but I am getting damned tired of this PRATT (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times) about how some action does not violate the Establishment Clause simply because the Supreme Court says it does.

Yes, yes, I know. Judicial review isn't in the Constitution. The Court gave that power to itself. Blah, blah, blah ad nauseam. Well, guess what, snowflake: that's how it works. Yes, I know you don't like it. No, I don't care. Your distaste for our system of laws is completely, utterly irrelevant. And I'm sick to death of playing Legal Calvinball with people who are such crybabies about not getting their way that they have to invent some other, hypothetical judicial system so that they can spare themselves the pain of losing in the ACTUAL judicial system, or because they're not educated or equipped to debate in that system.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 08, 2017, 12:57:59 am
I understand less about it than most people, being Canadian, but I'd trust what you have to say about it far before I'd trust any of these mental midgets.

But while you are fighting with them about clauses in the Constitution, I'm fighting with them about the very DICTIONARY itself.  That's right, Amos thinks Christianity is NOT a religion.  If they won't even obey the dictionary, how can we expect they're going to understand anything about the law?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 08, 2017, 01:20:43 am
Blah, blah, blah ad nauseam.


I always preferred the phrase "Zombie Lie"
You know, no matter how many times it has been killed, it raises yet again.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 11, 2017, 11:13:13 pm
Any ideas who is Brien? Looks like Ambulance Chaser stumbled onto a hot debate on an old thread. The interesting part for me is the number of never before seen people who are showing up to post against Brien.

Update: Upon closer examination all the posters are directly responding to messages Brien made to that poster - no new people have shown up.
Update 2: Looks like Brien was banned.

PS. Does anybody know how to remove a thumbs up on there now message? I saw that Sharon up voted me and I when to the message, her up vote was not counted or displayed, but I accidentally clicked the up arrow.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 11, 2017, 11:47:57 pm
Any ideas who is Brien? Looks like Ambulance Chaser stumbled onto a hot debate on an old thread. The interesting part for me is the number of never before seen people who are showing up to post against Brien.

Update: Upon closer examination all the posters are directly responding to messages Brien made to that poster - no new people have shown up.
Update 2: Looks like Brien was banned.

PS. Does anybody know how to remove a thumbs up on there now message? I saw that Sharon up voted me and I when to the message, her up vote was not counted or displayed, but I accidentally clicked the up arrow.

Click it again to off-vote.

Yeah, I liked Brien, but he didn't last long :)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 11, 2017, 11:52:43 pm
Click it again to off-vote.

Thanks. That will save embarrassment in the future.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 12, 2017, 12:13:59 am
Which thread was this happening in?

Christian News Network's been quiet lately, I haven't have much to submit.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 12, 2017, 12:29:54 am
Which thread was this happening in?

http://christiannews.net/2017/04/29/city-council-unanimously-votes-to-remove-bench-that-features-god-quote-from-state-founder/

To see Brien's comments you will need to view source.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 12, 2017, 01:23:08 am
One interesting thing I spotted in that thread - remember when I was talking about the fundies targeting us for downvoting?  Check this out:

(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/370/NyUExN.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 12, 2017, 02:27:22 pm
It would be nice if some of those 40 people (okay, 20 people with two socks each) would explain to me what they feel is incorrect about my statements.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 12, 2017, 05:49:02 pm
It would be nice if some of those 40 people (okay, 20 people with two socks each) would explain to me what they feel is incorrect about my statements.

It is a curious pattern. I wish I had better tools to investigate this. Only a very few people get this kind of down voting.*[1]  And only one or maybe two messages on any one thread. In one case, you have several posts and only one of the posts got any down votes. Also all the high down vote posts are judicial not religious.

I think it more likely a lone person and not a 20 person conspiracy. First off it would be hard to find 20 regular posters and lurkers that oppose your views. If 20 truly different people where coordinating something there would be a trail to follow. Also, just about the time afchief was banned someone posted a long list of his other accounts, that list might have been almost 40 names long.

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[1] Being banned only removes messages a month to six weeks back so my search includes several banned accounts as well as current people’s postings.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 12, 2017, 06:22:44 pm
It would be nice if some of those 40 people (okay, 20 people with two socks each) would explain to me what they feel is incorrect about my statements.

I think it's probably a couple people.  Guest Verified would come to mind first because he really pays attention to such things, and I would also suspect someone whose name rhymes with Katie Breckmate.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 12, 2017, 07:32:12 pm
Your sworn nemesis!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 12, 2017, 10:31:20 pm
Your sworn nemesis!
As much as she paints herself as an wavering warrior for her savior, she's one of the biggest game players there is.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 13, 2017, 09:19:23 pm
PS. Does anybody know how to remove a thumbs up on there now message? I saw that Sharon up voted me and I when to the message, her up vote was not counted or displayed, but I accidentally clicked the up arrow.

Hi. You can just click again if you want your name removed.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 14, 2017, 01:57:20 am
I won't give up on the CNN site, but I don't know how much more I can do when there are a lot of new posters lol .

Yes, a lot of new names have been showing up lately. Many of them make Amos look like a paragon of liberal theology. We can not fight all of the dragon’s heads, however, our remarks do provide counterpoint to their dour world view.


Hi. You can just click again if you want your name removed.

Thanks. They (why is it always “They”?) they say it is a poor day you don’t learn something new. Well unless you spend the day sitting under a tree re-reading a favorite novel.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 14, 2017, 03:12:07 pm
I didn't know that about the add-ons, though, gotta look into that.

Shameless Plug-INs

I’ll make a shameless plug for a couple other useful, free plug-ins

First, WOT (Web of Trust)
WOT is a crowd sourced rating system for the “safety” of a website, rating each site for both spam and content reliability. I particularly like the feature that tells me when I have previously rated a website. Thus if I have found a site dubious in the past, I will be reminded of that when I go to the site.

Second, Rbutr
I was just reminded of this plug-in with Croguet_Player’s comments on the children-endangered-by-puberty-blockers-medical-experts-warn article.

I used to use this plug-in and contributed rebuttals on a regular basis. Lately I have not been contributing and it looks like activity has fallen off. A real shame, a year ago the tool was getting 20-odd new rebuttals per day.  Now it seems only a few per week. Still it is a useful cross-check when an article doesn't seem to ring true.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on July 18, 2017, 12:39:15 am
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/apologist_james_white_draws_concerns_after_holding_defending_interfaith_dialogue_at_church_with_musl/

Man, the comments in this are hilarious in a Schadenfraude, funny-because-it's-sad kind of way. Forget fundie fight, this is a fundie melee. They are ripping each other apart in there...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 18, 2017, 02:19:52 am
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/apologist_james_white_draws_concerns_after_holding_defending_interfaith_dialogue_at_church_with_musl/

Man, the comments in this are hilarious in a Schadenfraude, funny-because-it's-sad kind of way. Forget fundie fight, this is a fundie melee. They are ripping each other apart in there...

Yea, it is not often that I (and I notice you) agree with Amos.

Lots of new posters on all sides of the issue and lots of new people up voting comment
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on July 18, 2017, 02:32:09 am
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/apologist_james_white_draws_concerns_after_holding_defending_interfaith_dialogue_at_church_with_musl/

Man, the comments in this are hilarious in a Schadenfraude, funny-because-it's-sad kind of way. Forget fundie fight, this is a fundie melee. They are ripping each other apart in there...

Yea, it is not often that I (and I notice you) agree with Amos.

Lots of new posters on all sides of the issue and lots of new people up voting comment
Amos annoys me a lot, but here, at least, he's ideologically consistent. He genuinely believes that there is nothing to lose from such a conversation because his side is the Truth. It doesn't make him less of a fundie, but at least it's not the hypocrisy I usually see.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 18, 2017, 12:33:23 pm
Man, the comments in this are hilarious in a Schadenfraude, funny-because-it's-sad kind of way. Forget fundie fight, this is a fundie melee. They are ripping each other apart in there...

Thanks, I had missed that entirely.  That is worth getting the popcorn out for.  Guest Verified is getting his ass handed to him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 18, 2017, 02:19:42 pm
568 comments in the thread?? THIS is what gets them the most heated? Arguing about theology?

This would be like if I ignored threads about law and politics but stayed up all night arguing about whether the Death Star could beat the Enterprise.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Askold on July 18, 2017, 02:55:11 pm
This would be like if I ignored threads about law and politics but stayed up all night arguing about whether the Death Star could beat the Enterprise.

...There is at least one forum that was created just for that debate.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 18, 2017, 03:54:12 pm
568 comments in the thread?? THIS is what gets them the most heated? Arguing about theology?

This would be like if I ignored threads about law and politics but stayed up all night arguing about whether the Death Star could beat the Enterprise.

...Obviously not, by the way.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on July 19, 2017, 03:23:14 am
568 comments in the thread?? THIS is what gets them the most heated? Arguing about theology?

This would be like if I ignored threads about law and politics but stayed up all night arguing about whether the Death Star could beat the Enterprise.
Shit like this is why I left the faith. This just happens to be what they show. I'm willing to put down money, and good money, that this kind of thing is common at their churches. Hell, it's common in a lot of them. I remember a pastor of mine got his pay slashed by the church because, get this, he had a sermon about Passover on Passover and people were asking if they were Passover Christians now. The bickering, backstabbing, and constant pressure to adhere to the various doctrines of faith is both exhausting and disheartening.

And it depends on which Enterprise. UCC-1701 of any variety? They'll find a way to science it.

NX-01? ...weeeeeeeeeeell...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 19, 2017, 03:31:43 am
568 comments in the thread?? THIS is what gets them the most heated? Arguing about theology?


NX-01? ...weeeeeeeeeeell...

And over on this thread there are 80 odd comments concerning which Bible should be used.
http://christiannews.net/2017/07/16/southern-baptist-owned-lifeway-stores-wont-pull-message-bible-after-authors-gay-marriage-retraction/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Svata on July 19, 2017, 03:55:24 am

And it depends on which Enterprise. UCC-1701 of any variety? They'll find a way to science it.

NX-01? ...weeeeeeeeeeell...




NCC-1701
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on July 19, 2017, 07:19:17 am

And it depends on which Enterprise. UCC-1701 of any variety? They'll find a way to science it.

NX-01? ...weeeeeeeeeeell...




NCC-1701
Oh, man...now I need to turn over my nerd card. Gonna need to LARP a bit to get it back
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: pyro on July 19, 2017, 12:49:53 pm
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Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 19, 2017, 08:32:10 pm
The Enterprise would defeat the Death Star through sheer technobabble alone, if nothing else.  They'd neutralize it by reversing the polarity of the tachyon emitters and connecting them to the turboencabulator, or something.   ;D

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 19, 2017, 09:50:19 pm
Of course, there's a 50-50 chance that they'd end up accidentally nuking half the galaxy in the process; space magic is a fickle mistress.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: pyro on July 19, 2017, 11:45:36 pm
Of course, there's a 50-50 chance that they'd end up accidentally nuking half the galaxy in the process; space magic is a fickle mistress.

The bridge crew would still survive. They always do.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 22, 2017, 08:44:02 am
So now we have this new genius Randommutation who is claiming that anti-discrimination statutes don't prohibit florists and bakers from denying service to same sex couples' weddings. His reasoning is that the law prohibits discrimination based on who you are (gay) not what you're doing (having a same-sex wedding). He says that the Christian baker wouldn't make a cake for two straight men who wanted to get married but would happily make one for a gay guy and a lesbian who wanted to get married. See? We're not breaking the law! It's only the PERSON we have to serve, not the event!

Note that no court has ever agreed with this interpretation, probably because it's ludicrous.  >:(
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 22, 2017, 09:48:29 am
I have been wondering if "Lady Checkmate" and Amos Moses are actually one in the same poster. All I see from "her" is upvotes for Amos or other Fundies.    8)
BTW I changed my name to MamaBearly on Christian News Network. I just wanted to screw with Amos to be honest. He's such a  pain and he was commenting on my posts whether it was directed at someone else or not. He drives me crazy!! Funny isn't it, how most Fundies really don't follow the bible or know the Gospel at all. And they don't understand about Salvation at all. They all think they are guaranteed Salvation and that they don't need to do Anything other than believe. So I pointed out that no one is guaranteed salvation according to 2 different scriptures and now I'm waiting for a reply.  ;)
Should I really feel good about messing with the Fundies by using the bible to fight against their beliefs, when they insist that they only go by the bible themselves. lol!  ;D
Bob Johnson, I really want to thank you for introducing me to this site. I've been doing a lot of reading and have been enjoying the posts immensely.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 22, 2017, 12:10:56 pm
Oboehner's getting on my last nerve again.  He's one guy I need to take serious breaks from.

There seems to be no satisfying answer I can respond with every time he talks about my "religion" (and when he says this he's referring to evolution).  Or when I consult a scientific consensus or definitive source and he calls it "appeal to authority".

What makes it maddening is that religion and appeal to authority is what HE has, not me.  But he won't stop trying to level the playing field so that all of it is faith.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 22, 2017, 12:17:59 pm

BTW I changed my name to MamaBearly on Christian News Network. I just wanted to screw with Amos to be honest. He's such a  pain and he was commenting on my posts whether it was directed at someone else or not. He drives me crazy!! Funny isn't it, how most Fundies really don't follow the bible or know the Gospel at all.

Amos most definitely IS a pain!  Him and Oboehner are cut from the same cloth.  I'd wonder if they were the same person, except for Amos's rather annoying typing style.

And I wouldn't necessarily count myself as one of them, but I find that some atheists know the Bible better than most fundies...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 22, 2017, 12:22:42 pm
Oboehner's getting on my last nerve again.  He's one guy I need to take serious breaks from.

There seems to be no satisfying answer I can respond with every time he talks about my "religion" (and when he says this he's referring to evolution).  Or when I consult a scientific consensus or definitive source and he calls it "appeal to authority".

What makes it maddening is that religion and appeal to authority is what HE has, not me.  But he won't stop trying to level the playing field so that all of it is faith.

I'm with you on that.  He's really starting to annoy me with this completely bewildering (to me at least!) insistence that because groups like FFRF are fighting for separation of church and state, that means atheism is a belief there is no god, as opposed to a lack of belief.  (and then therefore a religion...)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 22, 2017, 12:47:04 pm
I'm with you on that.  He's really starting to annoy me with this completely bewildering (to me at least!) insistence that because groups like FFRF are fighting for separation of church and state, that means atheism is a belief there is no god, as opposed to a lack of belief.  (and then therefore a religion...)

It seems not to make any difference if you tell him how much his opinion is in the minority.  He seems almost to wear it as a badge of honor.

He's the worst of the worst among fundies, he's a walking checklist of all the behaviors that are so offensive.  Young Earth creationist (6000 year old earth), denies evolution including all its dating methods, denies the fossil record, denies science, hates Catholics, hates LGBT.  And most amazingly of all is that he manages all this without once saying anything about what he DOES believe.  He's not a Bible thumper, he never even mentions the Bible.

Oh yes, and EVERYTHING he says is done with condescending, sneering, amused to death sarcasm which is unbearable.  UNBEARABLE.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 22, 2017, 05:11:12 pm
Jocasta, I'm not sure how to reply to individuals, so I gave this a shot. I expect I'll ask how to do things once in a while, but for the most part I like to figure things out on my own.
When people are rude to me Or my friends, I very politely ask them to behave better so we at the board can have better discussions. Oddly enough, a lot of the rude ones aren't rude to me, but are to others. I love to stand up for Ambulance Chaser when they try to say he does not know that law!
Oboehner's rarely posted to me. I would not be surprised if he was one I politely put down. lol! Either that or he read my bickering back and forth with Amos.  :o
Did you see what Amos said? He reads up to the first "mistake" and then replies to that. That was after ages of asking why he did not answer the questions I had asked. If he was in front of me, I'd probably have to pray for forgiveness tonight. That's how much he bugs me! I am by no means a violent person; I didn't even spank my kids, but I think meeting Amos face to face might make it hard to resist being at least a little violent... like slapping him across the mouth - once for each of the posts I wasted my time typing thinking he really  just doesn't know the bible.  ::) Boy that's a 59yr old confessing to being naive. I knew nothing about Fundies at all. Boy were my eyes opened!
Oh yeah, and I'm a babbler on boards. I try not to be but sometimes it just grows. Then I try to edit it down but there are times that I just sigh and let it go. I do apologize for times I will babble, because I know I do.  :'(
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 22, 2017, 06:08:49 pm
And most amazingly of all is that he manages all this without once saying anything about what he DOES believe.  He's not a Bible thumper, he never even mentions the Bible.

Huh, I never realized that, but you're right.  At least Amos will tell you what he believes.  Not that he's any less annoying for it, though.  I remember how I had that long conversation with him about that whole "predestination" thing....still don't think I understand that completely, or even that I really want to, to tell the truth.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 22, 2017, 08:28:54 pm
Jocasta, I'm not sure how to reply to individuals, so I gave this a shot.   :'(

Lots of people don’t know about replying to individuals here. While logged in there is a menu item (on the "Home" row) labeled “My Messages” click it to send messages or read messages people send to you. A number in brackets indicates how many messages you have not read.

I’m spilling the beans for two reasons. First, I’ve sent messages to some folks and do not think they ever saw the message. And second, the only way we learn is by asking and sharing. Thanks again for the info on removing errant thumbs up.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 22, 2017, 08:46:03 pm
Should I really feel good about messing with the Fundies by using the bible to fight against their beliefs, when they insist that they only go by the bible themselves.[?] lol!  ;D

Certainly you should. And I’m very happy you do. I avoid quoting scripture mostly because I see it way to often as a poker game - "I’ll see your Mark and raise you." And as you have repeatedly told Amos it is his interpretation of scripture - not everybody agrees.

Speaking of Amos, I mostly enjoy your long posts and thinking not in that the message will get through to him, but instead all the other folks who will read that message as well.  In a way, think of it as a debate, yes, you are responding to a person, however, your message is to everyone who wanders by.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 25, 2017, 07:36:17 am
Oboehner's getting on my last nerve again.  He's one guy I need to take serious breaks from.

There seems to be no satisfying answer I can respond with every time he talks about my "religion" (and when he says this he's referring to evolution).  Or when I consult a scientific consensus or definitive source and he calls it "appeal to authority".

What makes it maddening is that religion and appeal to authority is what HE has, not me.  But he won't stop trying to level the playing field so that all of it is faith.

I'm with you on that.  He's really starting to annoy me with this completely bewildering (to me at least!) insistence that because groups like FFRF are fighting for separation of church and state, that means atheism is a belief there is no god, as opposed to a lack of belief.  (and then therefore a religion...)
You gotta submit that conversation you had with him the other day. Pure fundie gold.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 25, 2017, 09:08:23 am
You gotta submit that conversation you had with him the other day. Pure fundie gold.

I thought I did.  Which one, do you recall the subject?  I usually have a few with him going concurrently.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 25, 2017, 01:31:18 pm
A person named Laurell had this deleted from “Judge Rules State of Kentucky….”

Quote
How the world defines the word “marriage” is different than the way
God defines it. For all intents and purposes, what the world calls
marriage is simply a corporate business contract, which can be dissolved
at one's convenience. While I think it would be good to help Kim Davis
in this matter (a GoFund me page, for example); while she was employed
at that government office it was her duty to do her job as defined by
civil law. In the Bible, Jesus and his disciples were under the civil
law and had to pay tax, and they were obedient in this. 1Peter 2:13-16
says :

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment
of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

As Christians, we are expected to obey the civil laws, but not if those
laws would cause us to transgress against God. I say without judgement
that I would not have chosen the job Kim Davis did because of these
conflicts, but I’m sure she didn’t expect this circumstance. However,
nowhere in the Bible is a license, or bill of marriage, ever mentioned
or made a requirement. Worldly marriage and Biblical marriage defined
by God are two different things entirely.

Michael C gave her a response which is still posted
and then Laurell’s reply

Quote
Yes.  My bad.  I misunderstood what I read.  You are absolutely right.
was silently deleted.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 25, 2017, 01:38:35 pm
It would be nice if we knew who has the job of censor on Christian News network for the forum area.  It's a bit like the Lady Checkmate situation - they delete what they like and you cannot appeal the decision.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 25, 2017, 02:12:24 pm
Were you talking about a conversation I had with Amos, AC?  At any rate, I just submitted the one I was just having with him.....where he says noisy bodily functions are, and I quote, "results of the fall of man ........... the results of the rejection of God and the truth ....... the result of the embrace of sin and its effects on our lives and deaths ........."   ???

That was one of those where I found myself thinking, "wait a minute, did he REALLY just say that???"
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 25, 2017, 02:53:15 pm
Were you talking about a conversation I had with Amos, AC?  At any rate, I just submitted the one I was just having with him.....where he says noisy bodily functions are, and I quote, "results of the fall of man ........... the results of the rejection of God and the truth ....... the result of the embrace of sin and its effects on our lives and deaths ........."   ???

That was one of those where I found myself thinking, "wait a minute, did he REALLY just say that???"

And the REASON we know that is a direct quote is that it contains an absurd amount of periods.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 25, 2017, 05:41:18 pm
Were you talking about a conversation I had with Amos, AC?  At any rate, I just submitted the one I was just having with him.....where he says noisy bodily functions are, and I quote, "results of the fall of man ........... the results of the rejection of God and the truth ....... the result of the embrace of sin and its effects on our lives and deaths ........."   ???

That was one of those where I found myself thinking, "wait a minute, did he REALLY just say that???"

No, it was with Oboehner a few days ago.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 25, 2017, 07:10:13 pm
Generally speaking, I submit almost every conversation I have with Oboehner to FSTDT.  He's the most gloriously stupid human being.  I'm surprised he remembers to draw breath.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on July 25, 2017, 09:23:18 pm
Were you talking about a conversation I had with Amos, AC?  At any rate, I just submitted the one I was just having with him.....where he says noisy bodily functions are, and I quote, "results of the fall of man ........... the results of the rejection of God and the truth ....... the result of the embrace of sin and its effects on our lives and deaths ........."   ???

That was one of those where I found myself thinking, "wait a minute, did he REALLY just say that???"

And the REASON we know that is a direct quote is that it contains an absurd amount of periods.
The English school teacher part of me always wants to teach him the correct use of an ellipsis
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 26, 2017, 07:33:08 pm
I officially resign when it comes to engaging Oboehner in conversation.  He repeats the same idiotic platitudes over and over and never responds to challenges except to sneer and trot out his usual catchphrases like "appeal to authority" and "religious belief".  He's made me crazy for the last time.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 26, 2017, 11:02:18 pm
I officially resign when it comes to engaging Oboehner in conversation.

“Never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.”
- Winston Churchill

Or possibly,
“Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.”
- Mark Twain
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 27, 2017, 02:58:11 pm
I officially resign when it comes to engaging Oboehner in conversation.  He repeats the same idiotic platitudes over and over and never responds to challenges except to sneer and trot out his usual catchphrases like "appeal to authority" and "religious belief".  He's made me crazy for the last time.

He has the most difficult time with the difference between "I don't like that X exists" and " X doesn't exist."
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 27, 2017, 03:07:34 pm
He has the most difficult time with the difference between "I don't like that X exists" and " X doesn't exist."
I just can't bear his sarcastic sneering.  It must be a keenly honed defense mechanism or something to compensate for his high level of utter wrongness.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 27, 2017, 03:27:23 pm
I officially resign when it comes to engaging Oboehner in conversation.  He repeats the same idiotic platitudes over and over and never responds to challenges except to sneer and trot out his usual catchphrases like "appeal to authority" and "religious belief".  He's made me crazy for the last time.

He has the most difficult time with the difference between "I don't like that X exists" and " X doesn't exist."

Fractally wrong - The state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 27, 2017, 03:42:59 pm

http://christiannews.net/2017/07/26/trump-announces-reinstatement-of-ban-on-transgenders-serving-in-u-s-military/

Don’t you just love the picture they chose?
Says “Christian” all over it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 27, 2017, 05:01:15 pm
I officially resign when it comes to engaging Oboehner in conversation.  He repeats the same idiotic platitudes over and over and never responds to challenges except to sneer and trot out his usual catchphrases like "appeal to authority" and "religious belief".  He's made me crazy for the last time.

If I had read this without knowing who you were talking about, I would have honestly expected it to be about Amos Moses.
I agree with the same thing for Amos; he does drive me crazy, but I am hoping that after a rest I might possibly be able to maybe go back and now that I know more about Fundies, have some serious fun with Amos. I'll still be doing my work to spread the gospel, because of the Silent people, and if I can, I'll direct the mistakes he makes directly head-on; after all, foreknowledge is a definite tactic I am willing to use if it will help others to avoid being Fundies too.  ???
Don't want any of those pesky varmints around in the future, if it be the Lord's will.  ;)
I'm just not ready to take that on again yet. All of the support I've gotten especially from some of the posters here has been awesome and good at making me feel like I could actually be making a difference. That is an awesome feeling that cannot be compared to for me.
If you do go back, as Bob J. says, play it as a poker game, or a debate or whatever, but I say have fun doing it. As long as we are not behaving badly, especially when they are and we point it out, our lights will be far too brilliant for his darkness to remain for others. They will see by our light that the Fundies do not have the proof we have, and that their point of view is wrong, and here is why  and what they need to do.  Knowing what is a wrong interpretation is just as important as knowing what is right when learning the Gospel, don't you think? It teaches that others have a different view and it's because they read the gospel themselves, (hopefully) they might choose to follow the gospel, which Fundies never seem to actually seem to do.
I try not to interfere with other people's beliefs and prefer to tell them simply, then ask them to re-read the Gospel. Then it is up to them and God to put it together for themselves and personally choose which interpretation is closer (at least) to what they have read in the Gospel themselves.
By behaving well, and reining in our frustrations, we can choose our words carefully without being so much critical of their view, as being helpful to a brother or sister, and the others who read our posts will be more likely to actually check out what we say.
Jocasta, I encourage you to take a rest, but don't give up the fight for always. Take a break or vacation as it were and go back in the ring fighting for Truth, and for the silent people who might benefit from what you say in those 'poker games'.
I believe it brings Glory to God to do what we do, because we reflect Jesus, hopefully!
May God's blessings be with you always...

I am still learning who is who and who is of my faith etc. If I totally blew this and you are not fighting for faith, please forgive me. I will (try to) remember next time if you remind me when I make those mistakes, ok?

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 27, 2017, 06:36:05 pm
I fully intend to take all these people to task on a daily basis as I always have, as much because their priorities are so messed up as because they do such a disservice to the faith they profess to have.  So don't worry in that respect, I'm not going anywhere.  I'm just taking a long, possibly permanent, break from Oboehner in particular because he is the hardest-headed one of them all.  He is who they were talking about when they said "it's like talking to a brick wall".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 27, 2017, 09:13:01 pm
Jason Todd is one of the worst people ever to use a computer.

And it looks like he is off his meds again.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 27, 2017, 10:00:39 pm
Jason Todd is one of the worst people ever to use a computer.

And it looks like he is off his meds again.

Yes, while we're on the subject of stupid, angry sneering, I see Jason Todd made an appearance tonight. He has gone around barking at people, sneering derisively, and insisting that court rulings aren't law. He told one guy not to listen to me because I cite case law.

Jason is like Oboehner if Oboehner suffered from Intermittent Explosive Disorder (http://www.valleybehavioral.com/disorders/ied/signs-symptoms-causes).
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 27, 2017, 10:34:29 pm
Yes, while we're on the subject of stupid, angry sneering, I see Jason Todd made an appearance tonight. He has gone around barking at people, sneering derisively, and insisting that court rulings aren't law. He told one guy not to listen to me because I cite case law.

Jason is like Oboehner if Oboehner suffered from Intermittent Explosive Disorder (http://www.valleybehavioral.com/disorders/ied/signs-symptoms-causes).

They are The Brothers Sneer.  Perpetually bad-tempered.  I can't imagine what pleasure either gets out of being fundamentalist Christians since all they do is complain. Lady Checkmate would be their angry sister in some parallel universe.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 28, 2017, 10:53:39 am
The ugly hand of censorship is beginning to show itself again on Christian News Network.  Most of my most recent responses to the like of Oboehner, Amos and Guest Verified have been removed.  None were rude (apart from the sarcasm I dished back at Oboehner).  I guess the next thing is to see if anyone else has been finding their posts taken down.

They haven't banned me (Zampogna) but when they get draconian like this, it means it's not far away.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 28, 2017, 03:32:22 pm
Some of my posts have been removed with no 'deleted' notice for me at all. They just disappeared.  :'(
I'm thinking of copy and pasting them into word and saving them so if it keeps happening I can keep posting the same one and they might realize it and be baffled for at least a minute hahaha

If there is anything I am able to help out with at CNN, please let me know.

Blessings!


Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 28, 2017, 03:44:47 pm
Some of my posts have been removed with no 'deleted' notice for me at all.
I'm thinking of copy and pasting them into word and saving them so if it keeps happening I can keep posting the same one and they might realize it and be baffled for at least a minute hahaha

No. That's a quick way to get banned. Go copy them off, but wait and use those comment at a later time to another poster. This will save you time and you can wordsmith the comment to be more to your liking.

There has been a lot of deletions today. Where your comments to other people who disappeared? Often the mods will just delete the whole part of a thread. I have only noticed one comment you have made in the last day, how many have they removed.

PS FoJC seems to be gone.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 28, 2017, 04:57:28 pm
I have only posted to Hobb.World. this week. I've been working on a few posts that I can just post without figuring out what I need to point out - so it's sounds like I will need a half dozen of similar ones to not be banned for that.
If I ever get to post to 'Lady', I look forward to seeing if she will answer since I will also be using a 'really really' pleasant post to her, with my beliefs in them as if finding out if she agrees. All I can do is try.

I am trying to work on the scriptures to find out if there is anything to contradict what I am intending to post about gays. I feel strong about how they are treated, and if I can even change one mind, maybe it will cause a domino effect. I think most of you realize that I fight to support gay equal rights, but I still believe it is a sin to my God. For me it's like any other sin that we can do, and they all need repenting of. If I can't treat gays properly and obey Jesus' commandment to love everyone, then I would certainly have to find out why because Jesus told us to love everyone with no exceptions. I have no idea who has read my past posts.

If I can be sure they won't come back and show me valid scriptures that show how I am wrong, so once I've found that out, I will be passing it on, BIG Time! If I can show scriptures to say they need to stop harassing Gays, or start harassing every single person (because we are all sinners) Oh Bob, I am so hopeful with this. I may not affect the Fundies, but just changing one person so they won't do it.. Cool! I'd rather go point it out to the world of Christians somehow if I could work it out the right way. It would be the one time I can think of that I would love to see a Fundie face to face so I could watch their face when they realize that I am right and then they have to quickly find the way to use scriptures to combat what I say.
Since I spoke to you and the other guys who support homosexual equality, and helped me with details of incidents, There has been practically nothing else on my mind when I am on my system.
I feel I'm helping God while I point out their errors. We are supposed to help each other with seeing and doing sins and what Jesus told us to be like. He is the one who told us to love everyone. That is what I am going by, as well as the 'we are not supposed to punish' for sins here on earth; and 'spread the gospel' and 'help everyone find Salvation' explaining about it's dependence on repenting: all of this must be done before they can choose what to do. We can't tell people they are damned to hell without explaining all these things first, or at least making sure they understand it.
Do you (or anyone here) know the NT well enough to help me with this? I need to know if there are any scriptures that tell us to punish anyone for sins ourselves; and if there is anything making that list of sins outside the commandment of "Love one another."
I've already found one that lists adultery but not homosexuals, or lust except murder rape and the sins he actually mentioned that are all against our laws of land.
If a law goes against love one another it won't be valid because of that commandment right?

I'm going to go searching some more and checking various ones that some of the Fundies did that i did not take any time with because what the poster said was wrong.

Did you see my post to Ted R. Weiland? I honestly did not know the man was an Evangelist before I said this, or I would probably not have said it. At the time it was innocent, but once I knew it was actually Ironic.

"In a big way, the pharisees of those days are like those big church Pastors that use all the money their church has on himself and for making himself famous so they can make more money. Hypocrites. "

I appreciate anything you can help me with for my little project. Of course I am willing to listen to anyone's opinion why I am incorrect in the scriptures now or when I post my idea. I'll likely post it here for criticism first anyway.  8)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 28, 2017, 05:41:07 pm
I suspect there is a behind-the-scenes network of these fundies, probably a Slack account where they all meet up to talk and plan and scheme, used by Lady Checkmate which ties her "saints" together (vermin like Doug Bristow) with some of the Christian News Network people.  I say this because they were separate entities before but now they cross over into each other's territory, which is why you see things like Lady Checkmate being the one dedicated, persistent upvoter of everything Amos says.  She also supports Jason Todd and Guest Verified.  Jason Todd and Doug Bristow post at both places.

I further suspect they "gang up" on certain posts and posters (like me) by flagging and reporting.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 28, 2017, 07:55:16 pm
I just saw FoJC was gone.  I'd almost guess he had some sort of meltdown that I didn't see, it seems like he was getting less coherent with every post he made when I was talking to him. 

Anyway, for what it's worth, nothing of mine has gotten deleted.  I'm almost surprised by that, I've been slightly more uh....snippy than usual lately, I guess.  Amos particularly is just really starting to get on my nerves.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 28, 2017, 09:06:09 pm
If I totally blew this and you are not fighting for faith, please forgive me. I will (try to) remember next time if you remind me when I make those mistakes, ok?


I appreciate anything you can help me with for my little project. Of course I am willing to listen to anyone's opinion why I am incorrect in the scriptures now or when I post my idea. I'll likely post it here for criticism first anyway.  8)

You never need to apologies for being who you are. If folks don’t like it they will probably just skip your messages. KingOfRhye just admitted to being snippy, I love to see some of them squirm and do mental gymnastics, Ambulance Chaser, maybe a saint among us, gets in a few digs, and we won’t even mention Zampogna. I think this crowd can take it. Even the admins over here have a sense of humor, something clearly lacking elsewhere.

———————
Help can be on the way. First I will point you to the Skeptics Annotated Bible. It is free and available at, you guessed it, skepticsannotatedbible.org  The righthand column under “Highlights” lists both “Good Stuff’ and “Homosexuality”.  They also have a Discussion Board where you might be able to get advice and they may want to include some of your research. Disclaimer: I have never used the Discussion Board but they are good folks.

And right here you have probably a very good group of Devil’s Advocates.  Many studies have shown atheists and agnostics generally know the Bible better than most Christians. For one thing it is by any standard a Wisdom Book that has influenced much of western thought. Any thinking  and blogging person simply must know the many references to Biblical stories. Reading The Analects comes later.

There is already a thread called “Conversations with Sharon at home”, I suggest you pre-publish you thoughts there. Those interested can help wordsmithing, editing, asking for clarification, or pretending to play Oboehner.

Best of luck in your endeavor.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 28, 2017, 10:34:27 pm
You all are so great at helping and supporting me; no not great, you guys are all Awesome. Now if I can just finish this and convince you all to believe in my Jesus! lol!!! hahahaha I truly believe that it is each of our own decisions whether to believe and we have to make that decision for ourselves, no one else can do that for us. Or force us to believe either. So God accepts that for various reasons, some people will not follow Jesus; He includes it in unrepentant sin and as a choice against believing in Jesus, just like the other sins. I am supposed to encourage you to turn to Jesus and there is nothing else we as humans are supposed to do beyond that for people who do know the bible well, and choose not to believe. If you are willing to read my posts to see if you are are able to help me, I hope you consider what I say as another viewpoint that should be considered as why you should believe, maybe sorta.
I'm starting to give WWJD quizzes with one of the posters, Sandralee. I don't really think she is a fundie, I think she's a sad person because her cousin was grabbed I think, by those groomer type pedophiles, and she believes that they are grouped in together with homosexuals. I had a talk with her once about it, and tried really hard to help her get peace from Jesus, but obviously I was not successful because she confronted mamabearly without knowing it was me, and she sounds just the same. So instead of showing total compassion, I will see if I can get her to confront how she thinks of Jesus with the WWJD quizzes; I figure it is worth a shot to try again. Maybe I'll find out more about her story to see if it is on the up and up.  ;)
And there is always the readers to consider. I really want to do my duty for my God.

Thanks Bob, you are always a great source for me to know how do the smart things and how I should get to know more from people who might agree with me about the bottom line.
I'm going to go over to the Sharon board to reply to this - good idea Bob! (as usual)

God bless! See over there!

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 28, 2017, 11:58:57 pm
I suspect there is a behind-the-scenes network of these fundies, probably a Slack account where they all meet up to talk and plan and scheme,

The thread "Trump taps New Communications Director..." has 51 posts - all new people. Well one person has also posted recently on a couple of other threads at CNN and AC and I have tangled with him. Also one person posted something about 5 months ago.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 29, 2017, 09:09:28 am
The thread "Trump taps New Communications Director..." has 51 posts - all new people. Well one person has also posted recently on a couple of other threads at CNN and AC and I have tangled with him. Also one person posted something about 5 months ago.

Ken Faivor is the only name I recognized in all of that.  I am surprised all these people are new but I would suspect that because it is such a political topic, someone on one of the political channels on Disqus posted a link to it and they all naturally streamed over.  The forum area of Christian News Network is hosted by Disqus but Disqus forums are generally a separate breed from Christian News Network.

In short, I don't suspect Lady Checkmate's people.  She literally has less than ten people.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 29, 2017, 03:40:38 pm
Jacosta,
If I can't troll and down-vote, I'd still like to help in any way I can.
If you don't make it centered on Checkmate as obviously as that, and told posters who go further than what the board's rules are, you could ban them after like 3 warnings, or deletes. Something that will limit the over-haters from taking over the board? It's a reasonable reason to ban someone especially with the warnings. If you post as moderator to reply on the post that is against the rules, everyone will know that they have 3 warnings or they too will be banned. It isn't hurtful in any way, but it keeps the people out that ruin the site, and end up getting it killed off.
Jocosta, have you been able to talk to anyone who was humiliated and banned by 'Lady' at all? I'm sure they could tell a friend, who could tell a friend, and so on, so the board for venting is out in the community and more people who have been  banned will come to check it out (wouldn't they?) It can be for venting, rather than hateful comments directed at 'her' and be like a relief for problems that cause humiliation even... (Humiliation Venting) It is not directed at her, and no one could complain if the comments ended up often to be about her, could they? I'm sure people might have been banned for other boards for other reasons that they might want to vent about too.
I want to get the people who would get hurt away from her. I also want to give the people that have already been abused, a place to talk about it. And making you feel better is even more important than those to me. Saying what happened is not "against" her, it is an experience being related. Heck, the use of "one of the sites I've been banned on..." so no one can prove where it was. Not even her.

I really want to help, if you can help me work this idea out so it is getting them away before they are banned if it is at all possible. I also think it would be a place that has to be moderated and the rules stuck to, to avoid umm interlopers as well as trolls and the people who could take it over with their own rants, but it could be done.
Try and make her pay by being a better person than she is. Find a way, if mine won’t work, to hit her at the knees to knock her down. Never let yourself act with less than you expect her to. If you lower yourself to doing something to her, you are not much better than she is under the circumstances. But if you approach it by pulling away the people before she can abuse them, that will make a much bigger stand against how she treats people. Not being about a site that banned them specifically, but just what happened to get them banned, with no pointing fingers, but with it being obvious from other things said, Not only will it pull the people away, and give them a place to complain without specifics, which takes away the focus away from trying to harm her in any way.
I'm sure I am not aware of more than before, but maybe some of the problems can be worked out too. Like are there private member boards? that kind of thing I don't know. I'll be glad to create anything you need for a board, if you would need it.
I'm trying to support you by helping you and giving it to Lady all at once, but you are the expert on her, not me. I need your help or I can't trouble her in a loving way to others; If I am helping others to avoid her abuse, it is a good works. So help me figure out how to do that?
Any suggestions or helpful information welcome as long as the 'Lady' is taken out of the game, because that is the reason there is a game in the first place.
God blessings!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 30, 2017, 12:22:23 pm
I suspect there is a behind-the-scenes network of these fundies, probably a Slack account where they all meet up to talk and plan and scheme,

The thread "Trump taps New Communications Director..." has 51 posts - all new people. Well one person has also posted recently on a couple of other threads at CNN and AC and I have tangled with him. Also one person posted something about 5 months ago.

Which poster are you referring to?

I wandered into that thread, but didn't see that there was much I could say that was useful. Just a lot of playing "Who's the Most Fundie?" There was no argument I could have added anything to.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 30, 2017, 01:41:31 pm
I suspect there is a behind-the-scenes network of these fundies, probably a Slack account where they all meet up to talk and plan and scheme,

The thread "Trump taps New Communications Director..." has 51 posts - all new people. Well one person has also posted recently on a couple of other threads at CNN and AC and I have tangled with him. Also one person posted something about 5 months ago.

Which poster are you referring to?

I wandered into that thread, but didn't see that there was much I could say that was useful. Just a lot of playing "Who's the Most Fundie?" There was no argument I could have added anything to.

True, not much to comment on but great pickin's for FSTDT.

FoJC who was recently banned
msicairos who started posting 17 days ago last posted here 5 months ago
InTheChurch - private account


Coming from lots of different sites both Christian and political right,
Breitbart
Info Wars
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 30, 2017, 01:49:24 pm
I really want to help, if you can help me work this idea out so it is getting them away before they are banned if it is at all possible.

Well we're dealing with an extremely volatile person in Lady Checkmate, a very angry and reactionary person whom I'm not convinced is a stable human being.

If you post as yourself, she MIGHT respond to you once and then ban you.

If you create a new account and post anything, she will delete/ban instantly, no questions asked (she ALWAYS looks at the date the account was created).

So you can see why she's a little bit of a special case.  She's created an echo chamber there with titanium walls. Nothing and I mean nothing gets past her.  You could try to speak to her on her other channel, News Network, on Disqus, but I can only guess she runs things over there exactly the same way (although it states on her News Network page "Mod is not ban happy", which made me spit coffee all over my computer monitor when I first read it).

There's really very little way to engage with her.  If I want to tell her off, I create an account and I tell her off, even though I know she will delete it.  Talking about her in a neutral space like FSTDT (and THANK YOU, FSTDT, seriously!) seems to work much better because she KNOWS she is a topic of discussion here and I'm sure it makes her extremely uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 31, 2017, 02:32:08 am
Quote
MamaBearly:
“I’ve never seen anything like that in the scriptures. Any chance you can just give me the book it's in. I'll search for it from that if that's ok, Jason.”

Best line I have read all week - na more like best line all month (and today is the 30th).
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 31, 2017, 11:50:33 am
Holy crap.  Amos is one of the stupidest people on the face of the earth, bar none.  And he's started to show an aggressive side too.  He needs to seriously calm down.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 31, 2017, 02:13:45 pm
Holy crap.  Amos is one of the stupidest people on the face of the earth, bar none.  And he's started to show an aggressive side too.  He needs to seriously calm down.

I've never met someone so proudly, aggressively stupid. He thinks science isn't trustworthy? Like, as in, all science? I guess we literally can't ever learn anything then, is that it?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 31, 2017, 02:53:22 pm
Adding considerable insult to injury is that his lone upvoter is always Lady Checkmate.  Which shows she is at LEAST as stupid as he is...but I think we knew that.

I can't take him today.  He offers nothing new but digs his heels in and holds his breath until he turns blue.  He's such a total IDIOT.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 31, 2017, 04:31:04 pm
I'll take him on again. I guess I have to go back to duel with Amos....
I told him I'd be back to finish our discussion. but I want to use my WWJD quiz, which is a MamaBearly post.
Decisions. Decisions..  8)
I think I'll see if MamaBearly can start a discussion with him, and use my quizzes on him so I can see how he will react. I have not seen any notices that I have been answered yet by the others. I have one new up-vote by a cwill but that's it.
I'll wait, God has taught me how to be patient, it took him years and assorted trials, but I can now be calm and patient. It's a good thing I can hold my tongue on a regular basis, now! Except that one or maybe two days with Amos. I feel like I am pouting because it was a reaction brought on by him calling me evil and the devil, and it was like a nasty punch to be called a false Jesus, and an antichrist.
I have way too much that proves God is with me, than he would proving that I was saying anything evil or devilish. I know I didn't and wouldn't so I am ok after thinking about it and talking to God. Well, I'm not ok with him saying it, but I won't need to freak at him again either about that or the fact that he admitted that he never read the whole post, but only up to the First Mistake. <insert loud scream here> so He was never reading the complete post, once he found the first mistake. I had to put in careful speaking so he would answer me about a   it before direct questioning. My face burned for a while when I found that out. I was able to calm down and pray for his ignorance by giving Amos & now others, understanding if they search the scriptures looking for the ones that either prove their point, or my own. If God's will is to open their understanding when they are angry about what I say because of the interpretation of the bible, even if it is not what I am saying exactly, I'd be happy if their view changed somewhat, and God would be happy too. With Amos though, I felt the spirit leading me very strongly and finding the right scriptures was through God, not me, and I really did feel the desire to bring him to Jesus by having him understand his salvation before he loses it altogether. It's not a feeling I have ever felt before, or for anyone else at CNN. It's weird. I think he is easily manipulated and believes what he is told whether it is by 'Lady' or his preacher at his "church" You know he's in the "Invisible Church" right? I even convinced him to send me their doctrine. Anyone that wants a gander at it, let me know. I doubt I deleted it. lol!
Sometimes I wish I could PM him and discuss our views that way. Are moderator's able to look in the PM file?  8)

My main plan is to confirm there is nothing that encourages us to:
a) punish,
b) harm in any way
c) treat with people with a backwards Golden Rule: Treat people the opposite of how you like to be treated  :o

Since I'm going on too long again, I will pray for you all to have God's blessings - the message I'm sending is that I felt they needed help seeing how they were looking at the scriptures wrong. Then encouraging them to read the gospel for themselves to see if my words are Jesus' Truth. That is fulfilling my duty to God to spread the gospel, if the person is already a Christian and I point out scripture to them and they don't find it themselves, they can miss something integral in their being saved. The big problem, I guess, is convincing them that they should actually re-read the Gospel and to read it with a focus on Jesus' words about love and sin, and how many times he mentioned the two of them together. I know it will prove my point because I've never tried to lead them to anything but God's Word.
I don't even encourage a particular religion because it's about being a Christian, not me and my church, but what Jesus sees in us when he looks at us.

"The blood covers us"; can you imagine what some people must of thought by that expression if the body and blood wasn't enough to throw a couple more people off. This expression is an abomination if it were not about our Salvation and Jesus' sacrifice too.  ;D ;DI just love that word now.  Fundies won't look up the meaning unless they are going to try to prove me wrong I expect. and depending where they look it up, Disgusting will be the best word to describe how God felt about the sins that people think are 'bigger' sin, and theirs to take into their own hands.
I'm also going to point out that Jesus never punished in his time ministering to his people, and was clear when he let the adulteress go after everyone left because they could not honestly cast the first stone. All he pointed out was to sin no more. No punishments here on earth now.
 :P
What is another way to view it differently from theirs, but still in biblical scriptures. Or give me the whole quiz if you want, or I can do them from the scripture [I hope] ::)
The more I can use, the better it will be, since they will be adjusted as necessary to the article. or the argument. or....... to infinity and beyond!
Blessings!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 31, 2017, 05:06:10 pm
Except that one or maybe two days with Amos. I feel like I am pouting because it was a reaction brought on by him calling me evil and the devil, and it was like a nasty punch to be called a false Jesus, and an antichrist.

Personally, I think that if Amos thinks you're wrong in any way, that's probably a good indication that you're right. 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 31, 2017, 05:55:30 pm
Personally, I think that if Amos thinks you're wrong in any way, that's probably a good indication that you're right.

I second this.  Forgive the un-Christian sentiment, but Amos is possibly the stupidest person online.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on July 31, 2017, 07:14:13 pm
I had to laugh at the conversation with Amos and Zampogna.....or excuse me, Pomona/Zimbabwe/Manila/Topanga, or did I miss any?  Seriously, what was up with that?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 31, 2017, 08:05:27 pm
about that or the fact that he admitted that he never read the whole post, but only up to the First Mistake.

You know he's in the "Invisible Church" right? I even convinced him to send me their doctrine. Anyone that wants a gander at it, let me know. I doubt I deleted it. lol!

Sometimes I wish I could PM him…

First, I missed the “First Mistake” exchange, to paraphrase MamaBearly, “Could you point me to the thread?”

Second, I missed the “Invisible Church" stuff. Where did it occurr? And yes, point me to it

And Third I’m dumb, what does PM mean?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 31, 2017, 09:55:46 pm
I had to laugh at the conversation with Amos and Zampogna.....or excuse me, Pomona/Zimbabwe/Manila/Topanga, or did I miss any?  Seriously, what was up with that?

He loves doing that, when I used the name Jenny Ondioline he was calling me "Oleomargarine".  His behavior is horrible but they never ban him, they only ban ME.  That's the part I don't understand.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on July 31, 2017, 10:13:26 pm
Oboehner is still dogging me about judicial review, a concept he stubbornly refuses to accept, even though it's been the foundation of our legal system for over 200 years and literally NO lawyer has any objection to it.

I wish I could convey to you guys how "not a thing" this judicial review denialism is. They don't teach it in law school. They don't even mention it. The concept that a ruling from a court of competent jurisdiction can be ignored simply does not exist in American jurisprudence. It's like the legal equivalent of smugly telling a physicist "why are you bothering with that calculus nonsense? You don't need that."

It's not that this line of thinking is popular but only in some fringe minority of lawyers. It's...nonexistent. There isn't some radical rightist legal group propounding these theories in court. It's...nothing. It's so far from being a valid legal argument that I can't overemphasize how "not law" it is. If you walked into a courtroom and tried this, you'd be laughed out. (I would assume...no one ever does, so I would have no way of knowing).

You've heard of sovereign citizens? This is worse. At least the SovCits argue case law. Badly, incorrectly, and with no discernible relationship to reality, but even they're not so stupid as to believe that the foundation of the entire legal system can just be pooled out of existence when it becomes inconvenient.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 31, 2017, 10:44:29 pm
Bob, how do I find them? Look through my replies? do they go back very far? hmmm.
I will gladly find the conversations for you. It must have been before you started following me.
So a few months before we came here?
Tell me if I am right about where to look and I will see what I can do for you, Ok
I also meant to thank you for the compliment and I am very pleased it makes you happy, even if it was only for a moment.
I hope you treat your (assumed) wife, like you do me. She'd be happy in her life I bet.

I love to smile at people for long enough that they smile back even if it is at the last second.
I love to walk up to people and tell them something about them that I find nice. To make them feel good.
I love to ask young people to help me when I am out alone, because they are usually so sweet while they help, and it makes them feel good about doing something nice for an elderly person. It encourages them to keep doing good works too.
I love to make people happy/happier than they are.
I chat and joke with the bus drivers so they are smiling before I leave. Even the grumpy looking ones usually (but not always)
I've been like this as long as I can remember.
Anyone can be like a Christian, but just not have the hope of salvation by repentance. I encourage those people to not give up on God, because he won't give up on you. He will draw you to him, if you live a lot like a Christian. Something will draw you in and help you believe in Jesus and about eternal life. I believe that anyways, because of my own experiences.
I think it certainly sounds better than eternal torments. And if I did not have the experiences I have had to put a strong belief in Jesus, maybe I'd take a chance on whether it was true or not, but not with the ways that the Lord has shown me his presence in my life. They have been too obvious to try to deny it was the Lord too. I have truly been blessed by the Lord, many times.
So Bob, don't forget to let me know how to look for those discussions with Amos for you.
Keep smiling everyone! God bless!!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on July 31, 2017, 10:57:50 pm
You are not dumb. I  always have to look up acronyms all the time; like SMH took me ages to finally give in and look it up. Shake My Head makes perfect sense when I see it now.
Ok PM well, other than Prime Minister? it is Private Message. or you know, the evening/night time.
In this case it was Private Message.
I find them just by googling them a lot, but there are some you have to add the word acronym to find what it means, and if I can't find them one way, I try a different way that I might get hits for. The conversation helps at times to get an idea of what it is about, but not always. 

You guys are all great to me, and I love it! Because it's nice to be nice to the nice. right?  ::)
Anyone recognize that last thing I say there?  ;D 

I honestly would have thought you were discussing Amos when you talked about "lady" and what she did to drive you crazy  - recent post?
I don't know if he is actually stupid, or really well manipulated. Most of or maybe all of Lady's princes of her site, are men, right?
Not that I can say anything except some women really know how to find men that can be manipulated, and do so, just for fun. 
I must say though, men are just as capable of the opposite way, and now, I'm sure it is something being done in any kind of relationship. There are tons of people who want control and find someone who fits the picture. I wish I could see how she is such an abomination to other people. Will I be able to look around her domain, if she has not already blocked me with mama,
like she did the first one. I'd really like to read her posts. Form my own opinion. Just something I prefer to do when being told about someone - although it was more than one I think, who commented on her, and I do like to trust my friends, I've also been told to check everything out for myself to know whether it is the truth too. How do I find her again?
Honestly, he's a guy who at one point in our conversation sounded close to looking for the scriptures, or re-reading the gospel to prove me wrong, but I guess not. rats!
I have to go to another article to post another post, and I'll look for other names to center out for a discussion and ask them questions, right Bob? To avoid being banned?

You know what guys, when you tell me how well I'm doing, sometimes I actually blush because of what you say.
You know, you are just like the men I met that introduced me to the Lord Jesus. They weren't so much complimentary, as they showed their happiness in their demeanor and attitudes towards me. I was a white, older, woman with a dog, and they were probably a half dozen guys, (at first) that loved to play soccer who were from the churches. I figured they thought I was a strange old lady that was taking pictures as she walked by them playing. Then I offered to post them up on my picasso account, then my facebook, and that was the beginning of my walk towards Jesus. I say it that way, because it took a while before they started asking me to visit, and at least 6 months for me to consider it and decide one time couldn't hurt in any way and the guys by this time were friends. So I went for my one visit. And chose it for my own church. I am very thankful to God for leading me to a church like the one he did. I believe he used my Pastor to help me learn about Jesus, and I have never been really happy with going to others because of the connection I feel with him. He is my mentor and Pastor- now Bishop that is such an amazing teacher that I have been able to do so much here, when I am actually considered a New Convert still (probably).
My Pastor told me when they decided to have New Convert classes because there were more new members, that I could probably teach the class, but there were a few things they might teach me that I didn't know. I could apply my knowledge that I had already acquired, for some of it, and learn more with anything I did not realize. He was right, but there was a test at the end and I usually have blank memories for tests and did. And I did, so I did not do very well, even though I could do well in the class. I was glad to have the course, apart from that. I hate tests. lol Apparently I do not go blank when it is about spreading the gospel. Especially because I believe we should help each other with our salvation by helping each other see our own sins. Helping each other is also about support and encouragement to others, discussion about some sins, and with some, bluntness is warranted to seek to help some to change to what Jesus wants us to behave like. Like Him!
How's this: Amos is like someone you want to knock on his head - side or top - and look in his ear, saying loudly "Is anybody In there?" and of course, it has to echo LOL!  [The Lord has given me a vivid imagination, Praise Him!] Oh, and a odd sense of humor (because of my Dad's humour) and many other differences between other people's views and my own views. I can look at situations and can help by looking at it from a different angle and telling them what it is, so they can see if it fits with what they want to do. I was someone to come to for help, although I never really took notice until a friend told me I was doing God Projects because I was frequently helping someone with something. It was the first time I had something to describe me other than "kind". God's projects were to help others, and then they moved on and another would come again. God knew I loved to help people and gave me the wisdom and knowledge to know how to deal with them. I could not have done it without him I realize more now than I did then. I experienced a stabbing in my back, and it was difficult to want to deal with people and I no longer wanted to help people. I told God that, I told him I needed another Job, that I could not do that kind of 'project' anymore, and then he gave me rest, by not having people come to me for help, until I met the guys playing soccer and started taking pictures of them in 2008 I think it was.
The rest I like to say, Is History!!!! (trumpet blowing lol!)

Thanks for helping me so much all the time. Another way that God has blessed me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 31, 2017, 11:05:17 pm
Oboehner is still dogging me about judicial review, a concept he stubbornly refuses to accept,

My read is a deep state of denial. It is the God of the Gaps for judicial reasoning. It is the supremacy of his (their) world view that is collapsing. It is a last ditch mental effort to tell themselves and anyone who will listen that the case has a very narrow application. Indeed so narrow that it only applies to the two parties involved. They are more than willing to expand Town of Greece or Hobby Lobby because the court has reaffirmed their long held position and of course the position of every red-blooded American.

And since “In God We Trust” it has been on our money for almost 50 years it has become the gold standard that America was founded on God’s law, as given to Moses, with clarification by Martin Luther. It is reading excepts from one side of the Federalist Papers and coming way knowing the frames of the constitution where in agreement. Glenn Beck can read Paine’s “Common Sense” and conclude we were destined to be a free-market capitalist nation.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 01, 2017, 12:14:53 am
Bob, how do I find them? Look through my replies? do they go back very far? hmmm.
It must have been before you started following me.

I hope you treat your (assumed) wife, like you do me. She'd be happy in her life I bet.

Keep smiling everyone! God bless!!

I do not “follow” people in the Disqus sense. I have various people’s accounts bookmarked. By clicking on anyone of your names (except Jocasta who is private and therefore untraceable) I can scroll back all the way - in your case to your first postings on the Toronto Sun. By searching the texts of both you and Amos, I think the conversation took place in “Eight-Year-Old Drag Queen” about a month ago, of the 499 comments only 274 remain and you complained of deleted messages and Amos has clearly edited some of his.

Happily married 38 years.


 :)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 01, 2017, 12:46:18 am
zampona commenting on Oboehner (posted here because even I think it should be removed.)
Quote
"if I was discussing something about uh....proctological matters, I'd value the opinion of an actual proctologist..."
I'd say you were definitely speaking to an expert in those sorts of matters.

Cranial insertion of the rectum does not qualify as a proctologist.


Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 01, 2017, 05:16:16 pm
Oboehner is still dogging me about judicial review

I'm just don't understand how he thinks the whole thing is supposed to work, exactly.  Like, what is supposed to happen, in his world, if there is an unconstitutional law?  Just hope the same legislature that made the law fixes it?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 01, 2017, 07:40:16 pm
I'm just don't understand how he thinks the whole thing is supposed to work, exactly.  Like, what is supposed to happen, in his world, if there is an unconstitutional law?  Just hope the same legislature that made the law fixes it?

I think so, yes. And there's no such thing as precedent. Every issue can be appealed up to the Supreme Court to rule on the same thing hundreds of times. For some reason.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 01, 2017, 09:08:19 pm
It may be time to dedicate a bit of effort in getting rid of Jason Todd.  Hard to do, but as we've seen with Royce it can be done.  And Jason's GOT to be circling the drain by this point.  Just check out how blatantly rude he is throughout this entire thread:

http://christiannews.net/2017/07/31/mayor-defies-atheist-groups-demands-vows-to-keep-bible-verse-on-courthouse-wall/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 01, 2017, 10:13:01 pm
It may be time to dedicate a bit of effort in getting rid of Jason Todd.  Hard to do, but as we've seen with Royce it can be done.  And Jason's GOT to be circling the drain by this point.  Just check out how blatantly rude he is throughout this entire thread:

http://christiannews.net/2017/07/31/mayor-defies-atheist-groups-demands-vows-to-keep-bible-verse-on-courthouse-wall/

He already got banned once when he was SlidellMan4Life. I thought I was rid of him, but no such luck.

That bannination was probably for what you'd expect: Constant, unrelenting hostility toward other posters, anger, sneering, rudeness, nastiness, being perpetually in attack mode. Possibly for obsessively perpetuating the slander that I'm a pedophile.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 01, 2017, 10:26:55 pm
That bannination was probably for what you'd expect: Constant, unrelenting hostility toward other posters, anger, sneering, rudeness, nastiness, being perpetually in attack mode. Possibly for obsessively perpetuating the slander that I'm a pedophile.

Yes. I had no idea he was Slidellman4life.  But Jason Todd in terms of his sneering is like Oboehner on steroids.  I would love to see more Christians get in his face for being so unrelentingly nasty.

EDIT:  Just noticed Jason Todd has some upvotes.  Had to wonder who it was and lo and behold, it's Lady Checkmate.  Adding more credence to my conspiracy theory about her "crossing over".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 02, 2017, 08:34:23 am
Did a bit more research and slidellman4life, AKA Jason Todd, has a Twitter account and it appears his real name is Matthew T. Mason and he's got the same personality there as he does elsewhere.  His personal quote on his account says that he is a "nice friendly guy" but that his patience is not infinite. He retweets the likes of Ann Coulter.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 02, 2017, 08:58:34 am
I'm not ready to swear on my life that Jason Todd = SlidellMan4Life, but their posting styles are pretty much identical. More importantly, they're both obsessed with the Rind study and Jason has told people that he has "proof" that I defended it. I had that conversation with SlidellMan4Life.

So yeah, I'm pretty certain.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 02, 2017, 09:07:31 am
I think you are quite correct. I was reading through his Twitter feed and noticed strong similarities, such as his odd phrase "what the bleep are you talking about".  Oh yeah, he is Jason.  I think you nailed it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 03, 2017, 12:19:59 pm
The "blend" that has been occurring between Christian News Network and Crazy Lady Checkmate continues to get...blendier.

On her latest post she actually QUOTES AMOS MOSES.  So she's doing more than simply upvoting him now.  She doesn't mention him by name though...which could be her way of giving us all here a dig in the ribs, as if to say, "I'm watching you all".

Guess what, Lady Checkmate?  If you're watching....GOOD!

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/atheists_lies_science_is_their_god/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/atheists_lies_science_is_their_god/)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 03, 2017, 01:27:08 pm
I am back to discussing things with Amos.
First thing he points out - other than the other dribble that he always says, is that we don't choose anything that has to do with Jesus. Jesus chooses for us.
It's a lot easier now, because I have the scriptures saved by topic now, and most of them were created because of discussions with Amos. I am able to hit him with scripture after scripture to prove what I believe. At least on most, some only have one scripture that he twists to an "interpretation" by God, not us. SMH
I laughed as I wrote the last words about his post asking so many questions in one post for me to reply to. That it means a long post, if I answer them all, so if you want the answers to any here except what I mentioned, you will have to either read the whole post, or ask them all in separate posts. lol!  We have got to get an icon for stomach-ache laughs!
I am armed to the teeth to prove to the Fundies, through Amos I expect, that they are not looking at the gospel correctly. and I am looking forward to it. I can't force them to read the gospel themselves, but I can do it for the silent posters I've been told about.
I just want to stop him/them from influencing others to believe the way they do. This is the one way I have to be able to attempt to do that. And it's hardest part is that If they read the gospel, they would not have to have a messed up understanding.
I honestly think I will end up writing a blog eventually to spread the gospel. I am not the one who tells me that what I believe in is correct, because I only use scriptures. My words are his word explained so that people can understand them clearly. Maybe I shame the Fundies about their sins, so they can repent hahaha. I guess that will only bring new ones to help understand too.
It's a case of time-management. I'm good with that usually, so I'll work on it in between posting with Amos. I started getting riled by him right away, but then I realized he might not realize that I am sharon_at_home and thinks he has someone else to harass about my posts. So, instead of getting riled, I'm going to begin again with him, but this time it won't be my first, and I will be able to use my "arsenal" of scriptures to help me with the discussion.
Sometimes I feel sorry for him. He's obviously being manipulated and I honestly think he might look further into the gospel if he was not discouraged by others.  Maybe one of my posts will click so he will look into what I say. I'm thinking he's a man who has "no will" of his own; mother, wife? church leader? and now Lady. likely He's whipped. The Lord needs to show him the light again, so he wants his salvation more than the people who manipulate him.
Well, then again, I am just doing my duty. and if anyone does not listen to my words, which are the Lord's in scriptures, and in the very least read the gospel for themselves to find out (and confirm) what I have told them, it's their choice - of course, Amos isn't making the choice for himself, he's choosing what the Lord tells him to. If that was the truth, he would find the scriptures to show me I'm wrong, not scriptures twisted to be aligned with his beliefs. Or out of context.
So I'm putting Jesus' word that we need to, no matter who tells us anything about the bible, search the scriptures to see if it is the Truth, before applying it to anything.
I am not partial to the NIV either. I've read then translated scriptures from the NIV to the KJV and there are some that seem so far off what the scripture in the KJV say! I don't use other bibles but the KJV, so I always translate them. SMH It is like the way God said not to change the Word in any way. some of the interpretations are very strange to me. But, I'll leave that one to God. :D
I just remembered that I wrote a long post to Amos and ended it with the fact that not many like long posts, and don't read to the bottom. Then I said 'God bless to those who read this right through' because I was pretty sure it was not going to be read, at least by Amos to the bottom.  I wonder how long and which Fundie will tell him about it? If they read it through themselves!
God bless!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 03, 2017, 03:45:34 pm
Has Jason been banhammered?

http://christiannews.net/2017/07/31/mayor-defies-atheist-groups-demands-vows-to-keep-bible-verse-on-courthouse-wall/#disqus_thread
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 03, 2017, 03:54:54 pm
Has Jason been banhammered?

http://christiannews.net/2017/07/31/mayor-defies-atheist-groups-demands-vows-to-keep-bible-verse-on-courthouse-wall/#disqus_thread

 ;D  Well well.  He got bleeped in the bleep.
About time.  I will know how to recognize him next time too.

EDIT:  This is actually a real victory.  We should all be having wine or something.  Everyone raise a glass tonight when you get home.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 03, 2017, 06:50:27 pm
Has Jason been banhammered?

http://christiannews.net/2017/07/31/mayor-defies-atheist-groups-demands-vows-to-keep-bible-verse-on-courthouse-wall/#disqus_thread

 ;D  Well well.  He got bleeped in the bleep.
About time.  I will know how to recognize him next time too.

EDIT:  This is actually a real victory.  We should all be having wine or something.  Everyone raise a glass tonight when you get home.

Not that I'm sad about it, but what did we do? I just assumed he snarked off one too many times for the mods' taste.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 03, 2017, 07:23:58 pm
Not that I'm sad about it, but what did we do? I just assumed he snarked off one too many times for the mods' taste.

There WAS a post there from a new user (which may or may not have been me) urging the CNN moderators to review his posts in that thread since they broke the channel's rules of being courteous. That may have done something.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 03, 2017, 10:05:20 pm
Quote
I think so, yes. And there's no such thing as precedent. Every issue can be appealed up to the Supreme Court to rule on the same thing hundreds of times. For some reason.

I have heard the term precedent a lot with something about law I think??? A.C. is there a part of the law that does use precedence as a tool? Or am I just talking Canadians?

Thanks and God blessings!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 04, 2017, 12:18:06 am
Huh...did we know Amos is a Calvinist? Kinda surprises me, actually
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 04, 2017, 12:58:51 am
Huh...did we know Amos is a Calvinist? Kinda surprises me, actually

If he is, I doubt he knows what it means to be one.  He's not the sharpest knife in the block.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 04, 2017, 07:34:23 am
Quote
I think so, yes. And there's no such thing as precedent. Every issue can be appealed up to the Supreme Court to rule on the same thing hundreds of times. For some reason.

I have heard the term precedent a lot with something about law I think??? A.C. is there a part of the law that does use precedence as a tool? Or am I just talking Canadians?

Thanks and God blessings!

Yes, all of it. The only time precedent is not used is in the mythical legal system that exists only in the minds of fundies.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 04, 2017, 08:33:45 am
Huh...did we know Amos is a Calvinist? Kinda surprises me, actually

If he is, I doubt he knows what it means to be one.  He's not the sharpest knife in the block.
My latest debate pulled out him talking about predestination, so he honestly thinks being Christian isn't a choice: God saves you and you get no say. It just kinda surprised me because most hardline Calvinists don't bother to debate.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 04, 2017, 09:14:24 am
My latest debate pulled out him talking about predestination, so he honestly thinks being Christian isn't a choice: God saves you and you get no say. It just kinda surprised me because most hardline Calvinists don't bother to debate.

It's taken me until now to realize you're MCrow over there.  Sorry!
I've been following the discussion you mean and you just hit the wall with Amos, if you push him hard enough for long enough he eventually tells you that you don't choose Christianity, it chooses you (or rather, God does).  And if you didn't get chosen, like HE did, tough luck.  Too bad so sad.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 04, 2017, 10:09:13 am
Hey Crowfood I just started a debate with Amos about predestination too.
When I put sufficient pressure on Amos in our first battle, he told me that he was part of the "invisible Church" and that he attends a Lutheran Church physically. He also provided me with the Doctrine of his invisible church. I thought you might be interested in it.
I thought you'd get a kick out of how I managed to get him to admit to his religion.
I told him that he should tell me or it would show that he is ashamed of Jesus. I think I said that there should be nothing to hide in a Doctrine of any church, and he should be happy to show it to anyone interested so they might choose your faith to follow. Something like that anyway, it was all about the shame that got to him that made him tell me anything about those subjects.
I'll attach the doctrine he gave me too.
Thought you might like this information Crowfood, in case it will help you with your battle, oops I mean with the discussion you are having with Amos. Do you think with two of us pelting scriptures at him to prove him wrong about predestination, he might collapse from it? Lady had better give him more support than just up-voting his posts if she doesn't want him to start to questioning their 'doctrine' and believing ours about predestination. There is a saying "Two heads are better than one" so Crowfood, we should have more together than individually.
I have to be offline most of today so I will begin again this evening.
Have fun, and enjoy the "read"... Blessings!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 04, 2017, 05:01:25 pm
Quote
I think so, yes. And there's no such thing as precedent. Every issue can be appealed up to the Supreme Court to rule on the same thing hundreds of times. For some reason.

I have heard the term precedent a lot with something about law I think??? A.C. is there a part of the law that does use precedence as a tool? Or am I just talking Canadians?

Thanks and God blessings!

Yes, all of it. The only time precedent is not used is in the mythical legal system that exists only in the minds of fundies.

Actually Sharon used two different words with vastly different outcomes. I most certain agree with your pointing out that precedent is the cornerstone of our judicial system, past decissions define and clarify the law.

However, her second word "precedence" is priority of importances for what law applies. For example if a devout Christian stones to death an misbehaving minor son. What law applies, Federal First Amendment protections to practice religion or state law prohibiting murder?








Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 04, 2017, 07:50:38 pm
Actually Sharon used two different words with vastly different outcomes. I most certain agree with your pointing out that precedent is the cornerstone of our judicial system, past decissions define and clarify the law.

However, her second word "precedence" is priority of importances for what law applies. For example if a devout Christian stones to death an misbehaving minor son. What law applies, Federal First Amendment protections to practice religion or state law prohibiting murder?

OK, I'll answer this question too.

The Constitution always applies. There is never a time when any law takes precedence over the Constitution. It's just that it's never clear what the First Amendment does or does not say about a given situation. The Supreme Court ruled in Reynolds v. the United States (one of my favorite cases) that you can't just shout "First Amendment! Mah Rights! I hafta do this because my religion says to!" to shield yourself from the consequences of breaking an otherwise-perfectly-valid law.

In light of that ruling, you can challenge a law's constitutionality by going to court and asking the court to rule on whether the First Amendment prohibits it from existing. But you can't claim that you get a special exemption from obeying laws other people have to follow simply because you're a Christian.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 05, 2017, 05:06:53 pm
I have absolutely no idea why, but ALL my posts in the thread about the New Jersey mosque hearing were removed, and not too long ago at that.  I know some of you guys here saw them; it wasn't like I was saying anything particularly inflammatory.  I was just trying to refute "Guest verified"s claim about Dearborn being a majority Muslim city, and it not being safe for any non Muslim woman, and so forth. 

Though, now that I look again, it looks like they deleted Guest's comments too....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 05, 2017, 05:19:38 pm
I have absolutely no idea why, but ALL my posts in the thread about the New Jersey mosque hearing were removed, and not too long ago at that.  I know some of you guys here saw them; it wasn't like I was saying anything particularly inflammatory.  I was just trying to refute "Guest verified"s claim about Dearborn being a majority Muslim city, and it not being safe for any non Muslim woman, and so forth. 

Though, now that I look again, it looks like they deleted Guest's comments too....

Yeah I think they got pissed at the entire line of discussion that was taking, so they nuked it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 05, 2017, 05:28:41 pm
Yeah I think they got pissed at the entire line of discussion that was taking, so they nuked it.

I wish Guest Verified would get banned for once and for all.  He is such a game player. He lies and weasels his way through conversations, deliberately being difficult and evasive just for the pleasure of watching everyone else lose their temper and go off the deep end and hopefully get banned themselves in the process.  And it's amazing how often his tactic works.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 05, 2017, 07:42:21 pm
I have absolutely no idea why,

I have had one post removed from "Residences Banned... " thread. Thanks for the up vote Ambulance Chaser. Do I get to keep it?  ;D
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 05, 2017, 09:05:00 pm
I have absolutely no idea why,

I have had one post removed from "Residences Banned... " thread. Thanks for the up vote Ambulance Chaser. Do I get to keep it?  ;D

Sure, for what it's worth.

I've just had HUGE sections of text deleted. Including some I've worked quite hard on. I wonder if they're getting ready to ban me. Or possibly someone else, because lots of what sandraleesmith posted went with it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 06, 2017, 12:33:57 am
I've just had HUGE sections of text deleted. Including some I've worked quite hard on. I wonder if they're getting ready to ban me. Or possibly someone else, because lots of what sandraleesmith posted went with it.

Everyone, fundies included, got hit hard today.  I don't think it means much in terms of banning.  Those tend to happen out of the blue.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 06, 2017, 02:19:44 pm
Ambulance Chaser, looks like you just did a couple more hours of pro bono work.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 06, 2017, 08:06:01 pm
Looks like Jason Todd is back as Jerome Horwitz
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 06, 2017, 08:11:15 pm
... I don't even have a dog in this fight and I think Jason Todd can eat shit.  Curly was a fucking human being.  Todd is a brainless sack of shit.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 06, 2017, 08:40:31 pm
... I don't even have a dog in this fight and I think Jason Todd can eat shit.  Curly was a fucking human being.  Todd is a brainless sack of shit.

I have some fun games in mind for Jerome/Jason whose real name is Matthew T. Mason.  Look him up on Twitter for some real fun sometime.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 07, 2017, 07:45:13 am
Looks like Jason Todd is back as Jerome Horwitz
What makes you think they're the same? It's certainly possible because right out of th gate, Jerome was unnecessarily nasty and rude, but I dunno yet.

... I don't even have a dog in this fight and I think Jason Todd can eat shit.  Curly was a fucking human being.  Todd is a brainless sack of shit.
Wait, who is Curly? I feel like I'm missing so much.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 07, 2017, 08:33:53 am
... I don't even have a dog in this fight and I think Jason Todd can eat shit.  Curly was a fucking human being.  Todd is a brainless sack of shit.
Wait, who is Curly? I feel like I'm missing so much.

You American?  I'm honestly asking, because The Three Stooges have been a cultural thing here since the 30s.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 07, 2017, 08:49:20 am
You American?  I'm honestly asking, because The Three Stooges have been a cultural thing here since the 30s.

I know the Three Stooges, I just don't know what they have to do with Jason Todd.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 07, 2017, 09:12:24 am
Yeah, I too thought when you said Curly you were making a reference to one of the CNN stooges and not an actual stooge :)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 07, 2017, 09:30:49 am
You American?  I'm honestly asking, because The Three Stooges have been a cultural thing here since the 30s.

I know the Three Stooges, I just don't know what they have to do with Jason Todd.

Jason's new handle is Jerome Horowitz, the birth name of the Stooge better known as Curly Howard.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 07, 2017, 09:43:46 am
Jason's new handle is Jerome Horowitz, the birth name of the Stooge better known as Curly Howard.

DING DING DING!! I am officially an idiot, sorry.  I think I knew that in a previous life, too.  And I'm not even American.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 07, 2017, 10:33:51 am
Haha, saight.  We've all got derp moments.  I've got...more than a few to my name, and that's just in the last week.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 07, 2017, 11:50:01 am
You American?  I'm honestly asking, because The Three Stooges have been a cultural thing here since the 30s.

I know the Three Stooges, I just don't know what they have to do with Jason Todd.

Jason's new handle is Jerome Horowitz, the birth name of the Stooge better known as Curly Howard.
This was absolutely news to me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 07, 2017, 02:38:46 pm
Looks like Jason Todd is back as Jerome Horwitz
What makes you think they're the same? It's certainly possible because right out of th gate, Jerome was unnecessarily nasty and rude, but I dunno yet.

Jerome’s account was created 3 days ago, August 4th. The day after he was banned. Two of his first ten comments were “Blocked”
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 07, 2017, 03:33:30 pm
What makes you think they're the same? It's certainly possible because right out of th gate, Jerome was unnecessarily nasty and rude, but I dunno yet.

Jerome’s account was created 3 days ago, August 4th. The day after he was banned. Two of his first ten comments were “Blocked”

Well, I'm officially sold. Thank you.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 07, 2017, 03:55:10 pm
This was absolutely news to me.

And you call yourself a lawyer.

 ;D
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 07, 2017, 04:01:01 pm
This was absolutely news to me.

And you call yourself a lawyer.

 ;D

Ya, but Phillip E. Johnson (no relation) is also a lawyer.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 07, 2017, 11:06:47 pm
I think I was banned tonight (Zampogna).  I think they frowned on me referring to Jason Todd/Jerome as "Matthew".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 07, 2017, 11:19:44 pm
I think I was banned tonight (Zampogna).  I think they frowned on me referring to Jason Todd/Jerome as "Matthew".
I think there's a rather large purge going on. One section dropped from >160 comments to <100, and huge sections got removed. Not exactly sure as to why, other than a new commenter, James Love, was involved.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 08, 2017, 12:14:33 am
They IP banned me.  Stupid bastards, I'm in a hotel.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 08, 2017, 02:56:16 am
KingOfTheRhye - Jury nullification
for a preview of Oboehner's arguments, I will direct you to this thread
http://christiannews.net/2017/05/18/texas-attorney-general-moves-to-intervene-in-lawsuit-against-judge-sued-over-chaplain-presented-prayers/

Wade into the abyss if you wish. Do try to avoid using logic, it does not work.

From,
A poor and probably not any wiser fool
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 08, 2017, 11:08:36 pm
They IP banned me.  Stupid bastards, I'm in a hotel.
This is why I like to fight fire with fire by using my best manners to present my side, so there is no way to ban me for anything I say, if I am careful. After a while of polite replies about how sorry I am that they missed some of the gospel, and the points of the gospel to search the scriptures for. They have never searched for them I bet.
Some of those points would be hard for their closed minds to figure out a scripture that says anything like the way I say it when I ask for scriptures.
Use your sword to thrust into them with the mighty sword of justice and righteousness.  ;D

I guess I should go and look at what has been taken away from my posts.
God Bless Jocasta! Have a great Day/Night!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 08, 2017, 11:30:26 pm
Well...
I don't think manners make much of a difference over there if they have you pegged as a troublemaker.  People like Ambulance Chaser, KingOfRhye and Michael C manage it somehow, but I can't always manage to keep the lid on the pressure cooker and so my mouth begins to work for the prosecution. 

And since I have an IT background and can always get around their idiotic bans, even when they IP ban me, I can always come back...I have had dozens of accounts.  It's always the same, they last a couple months, they get zapped, people like Guest Verified and Jason Todd smugly high-five each other, and before either of them realizes it, they're getting bombed by me all over again.

Which is why it's really so dumb for anyone to mention "sock accounts" over there.  If people like the Christian News Network censors and Lady Checkmate would stop their ridiculous bans, people wouldn't create new accounts and come right back.  It's all a silly game.

Also, since I know how to create Disqus accounts lightning fast now, I can treat them as disposable whenever I like and occasionally say things that I KNOW will get me banned, but who cares?  Sometimes it feels good just to tell someone off...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 08, 2017, 11:38:34 pm
Also, it really just amuses me NO END that they IP banned me while I'm staying in a hotel!  That's hilarious!  One day some poor bugger is going to fire up his laptop in this La Quinta Inn and try to post something at Christian News Network and is going to be told he's been banned.  So fantastic.  Good job, censors!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 09, 2017, 12:33:03 am
they IP banned me while I'm staying in a hotel! 

Next time could you please get banned from the Harvard Divinity School library.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 09, 2017, 07:28:50 am
I'm really not sure how I'm not banned.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 10, 2017, 08:46:08 pm
I'm really not sure how I'm not banned.
Well, they can't really. You haven't violated any of their rules, and you're a long standing poster. It would be a highly obvious show of hypocrisy
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 10, 2017, 09:12:01 pm
I always think I'm being so careful not to break their rules either but occasionally some frustration and sarcasm seeps through.  But they're total hypocrites, I mean Guest Verified?  Give me a break.  The guy is just there to troll.  Nearly everything he says is hilariously inept and easy to disprove.  But he gets away with out-smugging people.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 10, 2017, 10:17:11 pm
I'm really not sure how I'm not banned.
Well, they can't really. You haven't violated any of their rules, and you're a long standing poster. It would be a highly obvious show of hypocrisy
That's kind of you, but I also know I'm subject to their rules. I have to play it cool.

I always think I'm being so careful not to break their rules either but occasionally some frustration and sarcasm seeps through.  But they're total hypocrites, I mean Guest Verified?  Give me a break.  The guy is just there to troll.  Nearly everything he says is hilariously inept and easy to disprove.  But he gets away with out-smugging people.
He's incredibly good at button pushing. But I guess it's easy to have your buttons pushed when you want to discuss facts, evidence, and data in the Land of Circular Arguments and Question Dodging.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 10, 2017, 10:19:16 pm
Unrelated post:

Am I not making sense here? Are you guys getting what I'm saying? "He's biased lol" is NOT. AN. ARGUMENT. Refuting an argument takes EFFORT. You have to dig, and read. You have to research. It's HARD.

You can't just respond to a well-written, well-cited piece with "yea but ur biased!" And think you've accomplished something.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 10, 2017, 11:24:15 pm
He's incredibly good at button pushing. But I guess it's easy to have your buttons pushed when you want to discuss facts, evidence, and data in the Land of Circular Arguments and Question Dodging.

That's why I say he is a troll, he's good at button pushing but his posts are second only to Amos for stupidity.  I think he knows this and is trying to get our reactions.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 11, 2017, 01:43:56 am
You can't just respond to a well-written, well-cited piece with "yea but ur biased!"

So true and the denial is getting stronger. Although I will say that when I was reviewing DDT research, it got to the point where I could flip to the back and see who funded the study and then predict with very high accuracy the conclusions of the research.

By-the-way we have been outed as a tag team.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 11, 2017, 08:40:19 am
Unrelated post:

Am I not making sense here? Are you guys getting what I'm saying? "He's biased lol" is NOT. AN. ARGUMENT. Refuting an argument takes EFFORT. You have to dig, and read. You have to research. It's HARD.

You can't just respond to a well-written, well-cited piece with "yea but ur biased!" And think you've accomplished something.
I mean...they're arguing that bias is disqualifying, then you can say the entirety of the Christian news network is invalid reporting due to having a clear bias in terms of Christianity. They argue they have the objective truth, you argue it's not if people disagree, and then you ram your head repeatedly into a wall...ok, maybe not a great idea
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 11, 2017, 01:35:19 pm
Jerome/Jason/Matthew T. Mason posted a rant about big bad mean old Zampogna coming back under a new name to be a big bad meanie to everyone.

This showed up in response to him.  It may not last long up there but I would like to see it saved for posterity because it dishes him a solid punch in the mouth he's been deserving for a long time.

(https://s28.postimg.org/rb57cgsn1/responsetojason.png)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 11, 2017, 02:21:48 pm
Jerome/Jason/Matthew T. Mason posted a rant about big bad mean old Zampogna coming back under a new name to be a big bad meanie to everyone.

This showed up in response to him.  It may not last long up there but I would like to see it saved for posterity because it dishes him a solid punch in the mouth he's been deserving for a long time.

(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q394/Jocasta50/responsetojason_zpsaos06fj4.png)

Your picture doesn't work. But in any event, I'd love it if someone could get through to him that anger, rudeness, and insults are not substitutes for evidence or a demonstrated understanding of a topic.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 11, 2017, 02:28:54 pm
Your picture doesn't work. But in any event, I'd love it if someone could get through to him that anger, rudeness, and insults are not substitutes for evidence or a demonstrated understanding of a topic.

Third party hosting PBTHPBTHTPTH.

I'll fix it shortly. Photobucket is a load of ass.

PS.  Has anyone looked at his posts on Twitter, under his real name Matthew T. Mason?  They are pretty much what you would expect.  He looks like someone who will block you when he can't handle the heat and has a face that makes me want to slap the crap out of it. His writeup says "Christian conservative. Nice, friendly guy, but be warned: My patience is not infinite."

What the hey, he has a public account on Twitter so there's no harm in posting it:

(https://s27.postimg.org/pckwdyepf/slidellman.png)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 11, 2017, 06:27:49 pm
Jerome formerly Todd posted,
“Whoa: Ambulance Chaser and Michael C are the same person? How do you know this?”

A lively back and forth with someone, whose message was deleted and Amos. Is going on at
http://christiannews.net/2017/08/10/disney-preschooler-animation-doc-mcstuffins-features-family-with-two-moms/

Reminds me of one of my favorite spy movies. Actually the entire BBC series Sandbaggers is outstanding. Trigger alert, I said outstanding NOT pleasant or enjoyable. Anyway one of my favorite episodes is, “All in a Good Cause

The interesting part is to watch it a second time and declare, “Lie” every time a character says something that the character does indeed know to be a lie.


Addendum: Do Not watch this on Youtube. It has been badly edited.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 11, 2017, 09:12:33 pm
Why do I bother talking to Jerome? He's literally immune to facts and evidence. I don't mean the facts that I show him, I mean the concept of evidence itself.

He thinks that stomping your foot and repeating your point with great vehemence constitutes making an argument. He thinks saying "I already proved that" is proving a point. He thinks repeating anecdotes and screaming "you're biased!" constitute refuting one. He thinks referencing scientific journals is a fallacious appeal to to authority so when I told him I had 79 articles in peer reviewed journals to prove my point he sneered and showed me a YouTube video. When I cite Supreme Court rulings in legal discussions, he tells me he "doesn't care what 9 people in black robes say."

And then he calls me stupid.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 11, 2017, 10:09:15 pm
Why do I bother talking to Jerome? ..............And then he calls me stupid.
AC... don't sweat it. I just blasted Jerome for you. I know you and you are a very honest man. so he said blocked, but I think he forgot to block me.
Anyway This was my post to Jerome, and since it will likely be gone shortly, I thought I'd repaste it here.

Quote
MamaBearly Jerome Horwitz • 2 minutes ago
Do you have sex with your wife in front of your children to show them what Straight Sex is?
Do you talk about your sex life with your wife in front of your children?
I pray the answer to both those questions is no.
So gays are just people, they don't think they have to talk about the act of sex with young children either.
I know you hate to even consider this, but each and every gay person? They are JUST LIKE YOU!
They even commit sins, just like you!
And they just want to be left alone by people just like you!
What is it that you don't understand about Jesus' commandment to love everyone? Is there something confusing in those words?
Do you think that Jesus would want any of his children to be crude and rude to anyone at all; certainly he would not want you act in any way
unbecoming to a Christian who represents Jesus? You should try to ask yourself what would Jesus do before you jump right in with negativity and stop before you are not showing proper manners.
So please be less harsh with everyone considering you don't know if anyone here is actually homosexual, or if they are supporters just of gays Equal Rights, which Jesus would not deny anyone. Equal rights has nothing to do with the sex act that is their sin.
Even their marriage is dependent on the sin of homosexuality so it's not even a second sin. Can't get married without first being homosexual. One sin, not TWO. without one the other cannot happen and so since both are against God's Word, and all sin is punishable by the same way, so having the sin of homosexuality is THE sin. Without it, the second one does not happen and if they turn to Jesus at any time, he will forgive their sins. You can't even stop that from happening when it does.
So I think you should back off from people who have a sin, because you sin too. Jesus told us that we are not to judge because we are sinners. He even showed us that with the Adulteress. No one is without sin, and any man that says he is, is a liar. Sound familiar?
So other than telling homosexuals about Salvation, and repentance and the benefits they can have because of Jesus, you are to leave them alone. Just like you don't go to your neighbour across the street and ask them their sins so you can admonish them, you don't go and be anything but loving to every single person to show your light and give glory to God. Read the gospel over again and see that Jesus never said to punish anyone, and he told us to walk away as long as the person knows about salvation. So instead of talking so negatively on this board, how about some discussion without the casting of stones. Most boys grow out of doing that anyway when they become adults. That's when they know how to discuss and not just bicker too.
I am pretty sure you understand what I am saying. I get the impression that you have an obvious disconnect from Jesus.
Maybe if you start treating people the way you want to be treated, you will be reconnected.
I try not to get too angry with people who say they are Christians then give Jesus' name a bad reputation by the way they behave. Sometimes I come across someone who is like a slap in the face for any Christian who follows Jesus.
Jesus said that all of us are to do this: LOVE each other, and treat each other the way we want to be treated. There isn't any exceptions in that command.
So get off your "I'm superior to you" attitude, because you are not only not superior to anyone else, you are supposed to be humble according to Jesus' word. When I was a child, and with my own children, I was told this: if you can't say anything nice (notice that is nice, not nicely) do not say anything at all. You attempt to say things that are a put down, in a nicely manner. Just short of being outspokenly rude.
ACT LIKE JESUS! Show people that we as Christians are GOOD people not mean people who act like we are superior to them. By acting without love, you are going into the darkness, and I'm sure you know what that means. Walk back into the light and start loving everyone. even sinners.
Forgive others their trespasses, and your Father will forgive yours. If you do not forgive others their trespasses, your Father will not forgive yours either

I wish I had an angel icon to put here.  ;D

I hope I sounded stern and not too judgmental.. or even.. He's like Amos, and that Ted W. guy; they get right on my last nerve at the first, and it is my reflex nerve and it really depends on which reflex it is, on how he might be in the way. Fist or boot?
Then after I wrote this I realized it was Jason Todd when he told me he was blocking me. hahahahaha

The Fundies are all class bullies that grew up to be Christian Bullies, is that right?  :o

Hope you enjoy!

Oh and if you read this carefully I discovered the way to get past the marriage part of the problem Christians have.
I'll post it next...
God Bless you all!!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 11, 2017, 10:56:57 pm
I wish I had an angel icon to put here.  ;D

Maybe you need a whole new icon.

May I suggest
http://www.bike-urious.com/aerostich-t-shirt-sale/


Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 11, 2017, 11:22:15 pm
I still find it hilarious that "Jerome" is blasting Garbage Adams for being Zampogna, meanwhile the guy has been outed as Jason Todd AND Slidellman4life.  What an ABSOLUTE hypocrite.

And AC, no, there's no point in going back and forth with him.  My goal is to get him banned again.  Not hard to do, he breaks the rules constantly by being discourteous.  That's how Jason Todd was banned initially, someone told the Christian News Network moderators to read his posts through a single thread and asked why he hadn't been banned based on his blatant rule-breaking.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 12, 2017, 12:43:28 am
Why do I bother talking to Jerome?

TheReal -PapaSnarf
Great Dear Leader
GREAT DEAR - Dr Idiot
Shame-sung CEO

Where do find your friends?
You seem to attract them like flies to .... well, Sharon wants us to keep it clean.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 12, 2017, 07:59:08 am
Why do I bother talking to Jerome?

TheReal -PapaSnarf
Great Dear Leader
GREAT DEAR - Dr Idiot
Shame-sung CEO

Where do find your friends?
You seem to attract them like flies to .... well, Sharon wants us to keep it clean.

I feel like some of those might be socks he's keeping in reserve for the next ban.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 12, 2017, 09:18:13 am
Why do I bother talking to Jerome?

TheReal -PapaSnarf
Great Dear Leader
GREAT DEAR - Dr Idiot
Shame-sung CEO

Where do find your friends?
You seem to attract them like flies to .... well, Sharon wants us to keep it clean.

Well, gee Bob, it seems to me A.C. finds his friends the same place we did.  ::)

So far, I have not heard a word from anyone about that post. Moderator took the night off?

Oh and by the way, I have no problem with you all being yourselves. I was brought up with 3 males, and I had 3 sons, along with the fact that I was in my 50's before I started following Jesus. I am able to longsuffer people who are different than I am. Oh, I can love them too!  ;D

Seriously guys, something like "to attract them like flies to dung" is not a problem hahahahahaha ok ok so the word shit is a minor - what, swear word - any way. Please don't curb your language too much for me. If you think with every second word being a curse word, then yeah, I'd rather not see the curse words if that is the case.
Thanks though for the thought. I do prefer not to hear it, but I recognize that it isn't likely that I won't hear it in this world. The words I view as 'swear words' are almost common, unconsciously said words now. It's too bad people are not encouraged to use their minds to find other words like we were encouraged to do. But when I go out into the world, I have to be able to cope with any differences from my faith that there are, or I will never go out at all into the world, or you know, I could just go quietly insane... heehee
I'm doing another post for Jerome. I am ashamed at what I wrote when I reread it this morning... wait, not what I wrote, but the way I wrote. I just felt that man had to have a good shake and really I just thought of something... isn't that the way they think Jesus was? Stern and outspoken? "Not holding anything back" I think a Fundie said, with regard to how Jesus reprimanded sinners - in other words, scribes and Pharisee - Maybe it will reach someone anyway. I should not have been so sarcastic at times either. I just need to find something else to try to fight back with, because they do not take the Gospel into consideration, and they must to know the love that Jesus had for all of us was not just a stern forbidding love.
I guess I will pray for direction and wait for an answer. He knows the right way to go much better than I.
I did however find the right words to say how I feel about Christians that do not behave with love, and that they are ruining Jesus' reputation by acting like they do to anyone. It should make people think, not that it could change a Fundies mind, but it might have someone else reading thinking and rejecting those ideas of the Fundies. I still have HOPE!!
I'm thinking of taking a few days off again. I'm going through a very tired phase I sometimes go through. It won't be long, and I'll be back.. Blessings!!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2017, 10:10:43 am
The mighty fist of censorship came down hard on that Lesbian Mommies thread.  Lots of my posts were removed (but I was not banned). 
Frustratingly, the one person who seems the most unscathed is Jason Todd.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 12, 2017, 11:33:03 am
The mighty fist of censorship came down hard on that Lesbian Mommies thread.  Lots of my posts were removed (but I was not banned). 
Frustratingly, the one person who seems the most unscathed is Jason Todd.

Mine too.

We have to remember, we're not dealing with rational people here. Rational, sane mods do not delete posts en masse that are both relevant and respectful simply because they're making arguments that the mods would rather not have to consider. I'm sorry that the moderators don't like the fact that their entire worldview is flatly contradicted by evidence, but, that's just too bad. You don't go deleting posts that don't violate any rules just because you don't like them and would rather not have to deal with the cognitive dissonance that comes from reading them.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2017, 11:50:59 am
I wonder if anyone knows the process of how to get in touch with/appeal to the moderator(s) of that channel. Not that it would do much good, we've already seen the kind of hamfisted, belligerent censorship that people like Lady Checkmate love so much.  In some ways, the Christian News Network team is worse, because you don't even know who they are.  I don't get the impression Christian News Network is a big operation, probably just a few people and not terribly grounded in reality considering that in their headlines a gay person is a "gay" person, Pope Francis is "Pope Francis" and same-sex marriage is same-sex "marriage".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 12, 2017, 12:52:11 pm
The mighty fist of censorship came down hard on that Lesbian Mommies thread.  Lots of my posts were removed (but I was not banned). 
Frustratingly, the one person who seems the most unscathed is Jason Todd.

Mine too.


Looks like you are gone. Maybe the first case of Lawyer assisted suicide. Or death by a thousand cuts.

Sharon taking a little time off. I am heading out to see the Eclipse. CNN may soon look like an echo chamber.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 12, 2017, 01:17:59 pm
The mighty fist of censorship came down hard on that Lesbian Mommies thread.  Lots of my posts were removed (but I was not banned). 
Frustratingly, the one person who seems the most unscathed is Jason Todd.

Mine too.


Looks like you are gone. Maybe the first case of Lawyer assisted suicide. Or death by a thousand cuts.

Sharon taking a little time off. I am heading out to see the Eclipse. CNN may soon look like an echo chamber.

That will teach me to respectfully disagree with the mods! What was I thinking? That this was a place where people could point out errors?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2017, 01:30:12 pm
Please tell me they didn't ban you outright.  That would be calamitous.  (Or that if they did, you wouldn't stay gone).

I have methods of getting around IP bans if anyone needs them.

I hope to see a couple new faces on this forum soon.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 12, 2017, 01:30:31 pm
Pope Francis is "Pope Francis"

If they even bring themselves to call him that.  Sometimes they just say Bergoglio or however you spell that.

Another weird thing I've noticed like that is if there's a story about FFRF.  They always have to lead it off by referring to them as "a prominent professing atheist organization" and then only way down in the story do they say it's FFRF.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Svata on August 12, 2017, 01:44:36 pm
Please tell me they didn't ban you outright.  That would be calamitous.  (Or that if they did, you wouldn't stay gone).

I have methods of getting around IP bans if anyone needs them.

I hope to see a couple new faces on this forum soon.


I mean, TOR exists. That's a pretty effective way of masking the hell out of your IP.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2017, 02:03:13 pm
I mean, TOR exists. That's a pretty effective way of masking the hell out of your IP.

Precisely.
It comes in pretty handy when I'm laying down napalm on Lady Checkmate's channel.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 12, 2017, 02:37:23 pm
I mean, TOR exists. That's a pretty effective way of masking the hell out of your IP.

Precisely.
It comes in pretty handy when I'm laying down napalm on Lady Checkmate's channel.

Here's a business opportunity for you....

Disqus Name and Password 25 Cents Apiece


I hope you dont's take bitcoin. I'd hate to have to open an account.
maybe PalPal?

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2017, 02:46:45 pm
RWH has seen my message, is registered, and should be joining us soon!

Wish James Blue and Michael C would follow suit.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2017, 03:18:26 pm
Also, this is VERY funny, I wonder if Christian News Network even knows who their sponsors are:

(https://s14.postimg.org/yp689d5z5/lolmcstuffins.png)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 12, 2017, 05:08:54 pm
Also, this is VERY funny, I wonder if Christian News Network even knows who their sponsors are:

165 comments when you pulled that picture
high was 237 now down to 91
I have lost 4 messages, I notice more gone from Mama and you.

I always wondered about that lady trying to sell me a new car while pumping gas. Since you're the one they claim is always thinking about other people’s sex, explain that to them.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 12, 2017, 06:08:04 pm
Hello Jocasta's friend -

I am not going to out you by using your name.

Sharon and I had the same problem. You can find that exchange on another thread here called, "Conversations with Sharon" starting around post number 9 or 10.

Welcome and I look forward to your insights.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2017, 07:15:50 pm
Hello Jocasta's friend -

I am not going to out you by using your name.

Sharon and I had the same problem. You can find that exchange on another thread here called, "Conversations with Sharon" starting around post number 9 or 10.

Welcome and I look forward to your insights.

I don't think our new arrival will know be my my name here.  I better take care of that.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on August 13, 2017, 12:36:09 am
After a number of false starts, I have finally made it in.  Thank you for inviting me to join this forum.  Just as a bit of an introduction, I taught English at two Bible colleges from 1976-86 and just couldn't take all of the negativity and the sanctimonious finger-pointing.  I went on to get my PhD, and I have been at a state university for the past 25 years where I am Assistant Chair of an English Department plus church organist and choir director. 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 13, 2017, 01:29:53 am
After a number of false starts, I have finally made it in.  Thank you for inviting me to join this forum.  Just as a bit of an introduction, I taught English at two Bible colleges from 1976-86 and just couldn't take all of the negativity and the sanctimonious finger-pointing.  I went on to get my PhD, and I have been at a state university for the past 25 years where I am Assistant Chair of an English Department plus church organist and choir director.

That gives us something in common, I too am a church organist.  Welcome and we look forward to having you scheme with us (only a joke, we don't do much group scheming...but I do a fair bit on my own...)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on August 13, 2017, 12:54:44 pm
Thank you.  How does one respond to an already established post rather than adding a new one? 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 13, 2017, 01:06:11 pm
There is a quote option and a reply option.  Quote will carry over the full content if the message you are replying to.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 13, 2017, 08:22:08 pm
RWH, you are doing a great job with Amos...he frustrates all of us because of his endless dodges, reckless statements that are in complete violation of what the dictionary has to say, and his annoying mindless tendency to say FAIL at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 13, 2017, 08:47:21 pm
After a number of false starts, I have finally made it in.  Thank you for inviting me to join this forum.

Welcome and I look forward to your insights.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on August 14, 2017, 01:02:29 am
RWH, you are doing a great job with Amos...he frustrates all of us because of his endless dodges, reckless statements that are in complete violation of what the dictionary has to say, and his annoying mindless tendency to say FAIL at every opportunity.

I can tell you for a fact that he throws around stuff that he can't even begin to understand.  Hegelian Dialectic is one such example.  He certainly couldn't define it when I pushed him on it, and I wasn't going to allow him to simply cut and paste.  I don't think that he knew what to make of the fact that dialectic came from Aristotle and especially Plato.  We'll have to wait and see what garbage he spews out next time.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 14, 2017, 07:42:09 am
Hi RWH, Welcome!!
Amos won't even answer me properly anymore!! I told him I knew that they were mistaken about me trying to hide by using another name. I get the impression that he doesn't care, he's just going to be rude to me, instead,

I am going to have to ignore him for a while before he bothers to answer properly.

I'm sure I can find another Fundie to discuss their view to tell them to read the gospel again because of lack of understanding what Jesus wants for us.

So Amos was talking to you about the Hegelian Dialectic too. I told him it must be a 'new word' as he's never used it before LOL
And then I told him that he doesn't understand what it means and I think that was when he told me he was Bored, Yawn, or that "you have no credibility "

I think he's going senile anyway, he keeps naming kiddy shows that he needs to go watch... Ditz
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 14, 2017, 10:35:09 am
I have reached out to Ben Brigs and Croquet Player to see if they'd like to join us here.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 14, 2017, 05:49:45 pm
A bit quiet here lately.  Anyone know if Ambulance Chaser is still around?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 14, 2017, 07:28:40 pm
Amos is a conspiracy nut! (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/colorado_man_hails_satan_in_presenting_invocation_at_city_council_meeting/#comment-3467267288) This, for some reason, makes perfect sense to me, but I find it hilarious nonetheless
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 14, 2017, 07:31:06 pm
Too funny.  And what a good idea hyperlinking the quotes directly...I will have to start doing that!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 14, 2017, 07:52:08 pm
It actually makes me feel bad for him. I generally find conspiracy theorists to be kinda pathetic individuals who can't come to grips with the idea that things are out of their control. With Amos, it makes sense, as he thinks everything is in God's (read: his) control, so things like this must be the result of some machination.

I dunno. Like I said, my usual reaction to conspiracy theorists is pity.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 14, 2017, 07:55:53 pm
I dunno. Like I said, my usual reaction to conspiracy theorists is pity.

Most of them have an element of conspiracy theory nuttiness to them.  Even Oboehner, who despite his sneering condescension usually speaks reasonably coherently, disbelieves evolution and doesn't believe it should be taught in schools.  And he has WILDLY crazy Catholic conspiracy theories.

But yeah, I mostly feel sorry for ALL of them over there because of the hateful face they're putting on their religion.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 14, 2017, 08:56:56 pm
The ever compassionate Oboehner (http://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/parents_of_eight_year_old_boy_who_identifies_as_girl_sue_private_school_for_being_forced_to_live_as_/#comment-3468072590") showing off his loving and tolerant brand of Christianity.  Feel the love!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 17, 2017, 08:37:37 am
A new creature over there going by the name Knowledge Transfer.  Loud, crude and obnoxious.  I have to believe it is someone returned after being banned but I am not certain who.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on August 17, 2017, 10:16:22 am
A new creature over there going by the name Knowledge Transfer.  Loud, crude and obnoxious.  I have to believe it is someone returned after being banned but I am not certain who.

What frustrates me is that he got direct and insulting; yet, the moderators gave him a pass.  Some of my responses to him were deleted, especially when I pinned him down.  Because of the deletions, the entire stream makes no sense in places.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 17, 2017, 01:24:29 pm
A new creature over there going by the name Knowledge Transfer.  Loud, crude and obnoxious.  I have to believe it is someone returned after being banned but I am not certain who.

What frustrates me is that he got direct and insulting; yet, the moderators gave him a pass.  Some of my responses to him were deleted, especially when I pinned him down.  Because of the deletions, the entire stream makes no sense in places.
I get banned for disagreeing with Horwitz/Jason Todd/Slidellman4life, but Knowledge Transfer gets to do THAT and nothing happens?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 17, 2017, 04:42:15 pm
What frustrates me is that he got direct and insulting; yet, the moderators gave him a pass.  Some of my responses to him were deleted, especially when I pinned him down.  Because of the deletions, the entire stream makes no sense in places.

I hate that too, although it does make the place look like an ad for the evils of censorship.  What's stupid is that when the delete our responses, they are deleting the polite entries (for the most part) while the sneering condescending fundie responses remain.  Makes Christian News Network look quite bad in my opinion.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 17, 2017, 04:43:30 pm
I get banned for disagreeing with Horwitz/Jason Todd/Slidellman4life, but Knowledge Transfer gets to do THAT and nothing happens?

God has spoken, I guess.
Who do you think Knowledge Transfer is?  A new boy, or one of the other zealots?
Going to send you a PM regarding your account.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 18, 2017, 01:07:09 am
A new creature over there going by the name Knowledge Transfer.  Loud, crude and obnoxious.  I have to believe it is someone returned after being banned but I am not certain who.

What frustrates me is that he got direct and insulting; yet, the moderators gave him a pass.  Some of my responses to him were deleted, especially when I pinned him down.  Because of the deletions, the entire stream makes no sense in places.
I get banned for disagreeing with Horwitz/Jason Todd/Slidellman4life, but Knowledge Transfer gets to do THAT and nothing happens?
I'm still amazed they banned you. I also agree with Jocasta: banning reasonable polite folks while leaving the jerk fundies makes them look like hypocrites...and, well, if it talks like a duck and looks like a duck and doesn't act like it preaches to its fellow ducks...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 18, 2017, 03:17:58 pm
This is pretty amazing:

(https://s4.postimg.org/5vvxm7o8t/unbelievable.jpg)

I have no idea what comments were deleted, but read the ones that WEREN'T deleted.  This means the moderator must have seen these and deemed them OK.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 18, 2017, 04:11:01 pm
 Wow.  I guess I totally missed that marvelous human being.  Feel the Christian love, as we say!   ::)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on August 18, 2017, 06:38:45 pm
This is pretty amazing:

(https://s4.postimg.org/5vvxm7o8t/unbelievable.jpg)

I have no idea what comments were deleted, but read the ones that WEREN'T deleted.  This means the moderator must have seen these and deemed them OK.

Each of the omissions said "I'm not listening."

I checked this guy out on disques, and apparently, he has been posting on a number of really radically right-wing fundy sites where hate speech is the accepted norm for good Christians.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 18, 2017, 06:43:56 pm
Oh my lord.  That thread is over the top now.
Sharon, maybe you could get on there and post complaints about this guy from a Christian standpoint.  He really is a pig.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 18, 2017, 07:57:39 pm
What thread was he running rampant on?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 18, 2017, 08:30:04 pm
He still is.  On the one about the parents with the two kids in the photo and one of the kids is transgender.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 18, 2017, 11:05:28 pm
Oh my lord.  That thread is over the top now.
Sharon, maybe you could get on there and post complaints about this guy from a Christian standpoint.  He really is a pig.
Can you give me a link? I can't find that article for some reason...
I'll be happy to discuss his problem and see if I can bring out his 'style' a bit more for you to find out who it is.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 18, 2017, 11:09:52 pm
This guy makes Jerome Horwitz look like a Carebear.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 18, 2017, 11:16:34 pm
Here's the link:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/parents_of_eight_year_old_boy_who_identifies_as_girl_sue_private_school_for_being_forced_to_live_as_/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 19, 2017, 11:55:49 am
Why is that I don't see that story under Christian News Network on Disqus?  Odd....

Well, looks like they deleted his comments finally, at least, if not outright banned him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 19, 2017, 12:02:25 pm
Did they ever.  Wow.  Good thing, too...I don't blanch at conversations usually when they get really vile but that one crossed a line.  Knowledge Transfer is one of the scariest people ever to grace that place...equal parts conspiracy theorist, fundie, bully and complete pig.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 19, 2017, 01:09:34 pm
I'm writing replies to Amos and before I finish it tells me the comment I am posting a reply to has been deleted, at least 3 times.
They do seem to be there at this point and he is still posting to me, Do you think Amos took over the moderation of CNN? There was no reason to stop me from posting.
It just posted my replies to other Amos Posts...

BTW You might get a laugh out of this... When someone does or says something that wasn't all that brainy, if you know what I mean, My husband has started to ask me if they are "being an Amos". It's a really fun thing to think when reading various things on sites, especially in comments that are too much like "an Amos"
Hope you like it.
I'll check back when I've looked at my notifications.
I actually started to think that Amos had been banned.  :o
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on August 19, 2017, 04:48:50 pm
Did they ever.  Wow.  Good thing, too...I don't blanch at conversations usually when they get really vile but that one crossed a line.  Knowledge Transfer is one of the scariest people ever to grace that place...equal parts conspiracy theorist, fundie, bully and complete pig.


My goodness!  Around 80% of the posts were removed.  Knowledge Transfer is completely gone.  He was on Shorbat's discussion group.  I don't know anything about him except Right Wing Watch keeps on posting some of his more frightening beliefs.  I guess that the only way to check KT out is to get on that site and look up the disques record.  How does one know if s/he has been banned?  Amos is still on.  He just posted something about an hour ago.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 19, 2017, 06:53:53 pm
Yes, Knowledge Transfer appears to be a follower of the horrible far-right Walid Shoebat.  And probably his equally horrible son Theodore Shoebat. These are kill-the-gays type people.  To follow them is tantamount to admitting you are a nazi.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 24, 2017, 03:12:31 pm
This thread is heating up well.  I think it won't be long before the moderator comes in and starts cleaning house. 

Amos's new thing is just saying "ignored" to everything - proving that he doesn't know what the word IGNORE means.  Doug Bristow has shown up blowing hateful excrement all over the place, and Jason Todd/slidellman4life/Jerome Horowitz has shown up basically outraged at anyone who disagrees with any aspect of the story at all.  Lady Checkmate is of course there as a silent thumb-upper.

And let's not forget the ironically named Reason2012, doing what he does best - writing much but saying little.

http://christiannews.net/2017/08/22/parents-feel-betrayed-after-teacher-reads-transgender-themed-books-to-kindergarten-class/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 24, 2017, 10:05:12 pm
Jocasta, do Fundies appreciate being called Fundies?  :o
I was thinking of using the term but if it will have no effect, I won't bother to. :-\

Having lots of fun laughing at Amos and his  :-X"Ignore".

Might as well have fun :P, while we do a dirty job :-[.... lol!

Garbage Adams is having fun too I think. Anyone know who he is?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 24, 2017, 11:45:38 pm
Jocasta, do Fundies appreciate being called Fundies?  :o
I was thinking of using the term but if it will have no effect, I won't bother to. :-\

Having lots of fun laughing at Amos and his  :-X"Ignore".

Might as well have fun :P, while we do a dirty job :-[.... lol!

Garbage Adams is having fun too I think. Anyone know who he is?

I have a pretty good idea who Garbage Adams is, but I don't want to say here because I know they read this website and our posts!

"Fundie" is derogatory, I think, but some of them don't know that.  It offends some of them but not all!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 25, 2017, 06:44:08 pm
Thanks Jocasta!
How are you doing on your adventure, anything you are able to mention?
Blessings!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 25, 2017, 09:34:46 pm
I strongly suspect that at least a few of the fundies would take pride in being called it.  "Damn right, I'm a fundie" or something like that, ya know....

Oh, and Amos with his "I'm ignoring you" tactic just reminds me of a little kid, or maybe even a teenager, doing the old "did someone say something?  I didn't hear anything" bit when someone else is talking to them but they don't want to listen.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 26, 2017, 01:04:43 am
Yes isn't it a laugh to watch. He just won't connect ignore with not replying at all.

Maybe Amos is not all there, and only believes what they tell him to believe. Going on Ignore gives him more time to gather his friends resources to attempt another battle with the ones who do not agree with them.
Mostly us, at this point with a number of watchers only. Once in a while I will get a thumbs up kind of post about something I say to Amos.

This PaulValery character, does anyone know him? I thought he was honestly asking questions because he needed to know the truth, but it turned into a confrontation that I don't need to trouble myself with. It was a waste of my time because nothing he sticks in my face will trump what I have experienced personally. He didn't want answers he wanted to kick up a fuss about his loss of faith, I think.

Is he another Fundie under a different name or something?

Why do you think I keep getting guys who challenge me about something and when I reply with an answer they can't rebut, they tell me that they are Pastors? Why don't they say anything in the first post directed to me? SMH
Is this how they try to catch me off guard, do you think?
It certainly is a curious thing to happen more often that once even.
Are the Lutherans coming to challenge me or something. Is this where I start being persecuted for my faith?
Just thought I'd ask! Always a good thing to know about before hand if possible, don't you think?

Keep smiling, or start smiling if you aren't smiling yet. Pass it on to others. See how long it takes to come back to you. That's face to face smiling, no computers allowed. Walking along a street start sharing smiles and see if you find yourself smiling back at someone that you smiled at the day before. A smile goes around and comes around, Is that right? lol!
Be happy!

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 26, 2017, 01:47:51 pm
Sharon, I think a lot of these people are playing a game where the object is to be more Christian than thou.  One of the favorite phrases that gets tossed around on there is "false teacher" and "false gospel".  They all think by being ultra-penitent and ultra-pious, the better the Christian they are.  Likewise, the less tolerant the better.  What does it say about Christian News Network that practically every story is about homosexuality, or transgenderism, or how Christian rights are supposedly being trampled just because someone doesn't feel it's appropriate to post a Christian monument on public property?  My first thought when I think of a place calling itself "Christian News Network" is that it's going to have positive stories offsetting all the negative ones, but it doesn't - unless that story is a "victory" where some court appeal was overturned.  The place is a joke, really.  It was started by a very unsavory character named Michael Marcavage.  RWH can tell you more about him than I can, but if you look him up online it's not pretty.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 26, 2017, 03:37:56 pm
Wow, I am honestly ashamed for not having noticed it myself.
Now I realize that you are right about their articles, but it didn't used to be like that - I don't remember it being quite so bad when I first came, but maybe I was too wrapped up in correcting Amos LOL I've had so many "discussions" going at CNN I rarely get to read the articles right now.

I have been continuing to help them to understand what they are supposed to do as Christians, and they don't want to listen. When I ask them for their great idea to change the world back to the way it was before the gay stand for E.R., they don't reply at all. So I've been able to shut a few of them up.
I just wish they would accept that there are some things that God will interfere with, but this desire of turning it back is a dream. God has never done it before, and there is no trouble seeing that it did not.
Praying for the people who have to deal with such (possible) confusion all around them. Including the hateful Christians.

I got a notice that there were 51 posts removed from my posts with Amos. All of the "Ignores" were deleted, and he's done it again since, so it will probably be deleted again.

I've told them that I finally figured out why Fundies don't know the gospel.... they can't read. They all just read part of my replies and of course it's usually the lead up to the actual reply, and they jump on things without looking further just like Amos.

I am trying very hard to be neutral in my posts, with the Christian belief being my focus. I believe that God wants us to love each other and it's confusing me because I know some things are against God's law but in the Bible it really sounds like he wants us to love each other more than he wants us to keep rebuking people about their sins the way they do. Especially since the way they do it is calling God a hateful God and he isn't. I think it's blasphemy to lie about God.

Jocasta, Thank you for your insights about the Fundies. It makes more sense although I still would not put anything past them.
You know, the more I think about it, with the childish way Amos and a few others act, I am not surprised it's a "I'm better than you contest". I hope I don't sound like that when I poke my nose into their posts!

Can everyyone let me know here if I get too harsh or un-Christian or even if I offend with how I put things, If I don't notice it I'd rather be told than let it remain in that condition. Thanks!
God bless!!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 26, 2017, 06:52:45 pm
Now I realize that you are right about their articles, but it didn't used to be like that - I don't remember it being quite so bad when I first came,

It probably wasn’t that bad. However, all such blogs tend to migrate toward where the action is happening. Even these days their articles on Boko Haram has zero comments. Indian Curfew zero, Occult-Related Crime Unit zero.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 26, 2017, 08:34:47 pm
Should I go comment so they will want to tell me I'm wrong? lol!!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 27, 2017, 12:31:45 pm
Now I realize that you are right about their articles, but it didn't used to be like that - I don't remember it being quite so bad when I first came,

It probably wasn’t that bad. However, all such blogs tend to migrate toward where the action is happening. Even these days their articles on Boko Haram has zero comments. Indian Curfew zero, Occult-Related Crime Unit zero.
Yeah, the entire point of the site is to promote a far-right, socially conservative agenda. Which, to them, is either synonymous with, or more important than, actual Christianity.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 27, 2017, 01:42:03 pm
It probably wasn’t that bad. However, all such blogs tend to migrate toward where the action is happening. Even these days their articles on Boko Haram has zero comments. Indian Curfew zero, Occult-Related Crime Unit zero.

Regarding the "occult" though, they do include Catholics in that category whenever they can.  They HATE Catholics.  Especially Oboehner.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 29, 2017, 07:35:02 pm
I have had every single one of my posts deleted.
Am I banned?
I've never had them do every one before.
Shows they do not want my telling other people about the Loving God, I guess.

Well that clears off my calendar lol!

I do not get a notice? Is there anything that will tell me if I am banned.

I'm suspecting Doug Barlow is a moderator, or a friend of his.

So if anyone sees this, let me know what you know about this situation Please!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 29, 2017, 08:28:10 pm
Sharon, try responding to a post that't there.  If it posts, you are not banned.  If you get a red banned telling you that you are banned, that's how you'll know.

They deleted a lot of stuff today.  But it doesn't necessarily mean you are banned.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on August 29, 2017, 09:02:57 pm
A lot of my posts got deleted as well. Means, most likely, they don't have a response. Time to see if I'm out and out banned.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 29, 2017, 11:13:33 pm
I have had every single one of my posts deleted.
Am I banned?

So if anyone sees this, let me know what you know about this situation Please!

It certainly looks like you were banned. All your post for the last month are gone.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 30, 2017, 03:38:08 pm
Yup I'm banned.

Alas, how will I ever survive not being able to fight with Amos? ;D

Any ideas on how long the ban will be?  :-[

I'd love to find out why, I am not rude nor am I one to curse, no matter how much I want to sometimes.

Oh well, If I ever get back on, I will have a lot of scriptures to help support what I have been saying. I figured I might as well work on those since I can't post.

Thanks guys for letting me know.  ;)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 30, 2017, 08:08:37 pm
Yup I'm banned.

Alas, how will I ever survive not being able to fight with Amos? ;D

Any ideas on how long the ban will be?  :-[

I'd love to find out why, I am not rude nor am I one to curse, no matter how much I want to sometimes.

Oh well, If I ever get back on, I will have a lot of scriptures to help support what I have been saying. I figured I might as well work on those since I can't post.

Thanks guys for letting me know.  ;)

I guess they ban people for not being "their kind of Christian" now?  Because, yeah, I don't see any other reason you of all people would  be.  None of my recent posts seem to have been touched....but, for one thing, I haven't been TOO active there lately.  And, anyway, I seem to be good at not provoking their ire too much.  But really, I am baffled how someone like you is and I am not. 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 30, 2017, 09:17:29 pm
Hmm....well, I guess I'll have to see if my latest post gets deleted, as it was rather critical of Christian News Network itself, or whoever wrote their story, anyway.  There's a story about the Chilean president seeking to legalize gay marriage.....but they can't make it that simple, no, gotta throw the good ol' "scare quotes" in there, of course.  I just wonder about "scare quotes" around "legalize" as well as "gay marriage".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 30, 2017, 09:52:05 pm
There's a story about the Chilean president seeking to legalize gay marriage.....but they can't make it that simple, no, gotta throw the good ol' "scare quotes" in there, of course.  I just wonder about "scare quotes" around "legalize" as well as "gay marriage".

And since Chile is a South American Catholic country, I'm surprised they didn't find a way to mention the "pope".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 30, 2017, 10:02:30 pm
And since Chile is a South American Catholic country, I'm surprised they didn't find a way to mention the "pope".

I forget now, do they even say "pope"?  They say some crap about him being "known as Francis" and insist on calling him Bergoglio or however you spell that.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 30, 2017, 10:43:02 pm
Yup I'm banned.

Any ideas on how long the ban will be?  :-
Probably forever.

Quote
I'd love to find out why, I am not rude nor am I one to curse, no matter how much I want to sometimes.
Because you said things they didn't want to hear. It doesn't matter that those things are true. In fact, it's probably worse that they are. Their ideology requires them to suppress everything they disagree with, including demonstrable reality. If reality intrudes on what they want to believe, then reality needs to go.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 30, 2017, 11:21:42 pm
Quote from: KingOfRhye

Posted at CNN as part of Nashville Statement.
               "WE DENY that the Lord's arm is too short


So to slowdown my eventual ban, I'll post my response here.
Does this mean God was required to undergo a "short arm inspection?"
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 31, 2017, 08:45:05 am
Should have known, I guessed.....my comments (critical of Christian News Network) were promptly deleted.

And in further news, I STILL can't make sense of that "predestination" thing Amos believes in....which part of that "Nashville declaration" he posted would seem to contradict.  Or at least it would seem that way to me.   ???
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 31, 2017, 09:35:15 am
Should have known, I guessed.....my comments (critical of Christian News Network) were promptly deleted.
And in further news, I STILL can't make sense of that "predestination" thing Amos believes in....which part of that "Nashville declaration" he posted would seem to contradict.  Or at least it would seem that way to me.   ???

Jocasta, Amos doesn't understand about predestination. He thinks that they will attain Salvation because the Lord chose them to be his "Elect" and that is anyone who believes in Christ. He doesn't understand that some people leave the faith, after believing, and that they are not part of the Elect anymore. He thinks those people would still end up saved, from what he told me.

Predestination isn't just about who will believe in Jesus. It's about God knowing who will believe and who won't, but it's about the growth involved in getting closer to God in an individual relationship. It's about strengthening our faith through trials, and our trust in God to take care of us. If we don't trust Him to take care of us, it will be a sign of the lack of faith, and he will want to help you strengthen your faith. If you give up then obviously you are not one of the chosen "elect" that Amos thinks will be saved anyway.  Predestination is also the belief that Jesus has a destiny planned for each one of us, and he wants us to grow until we fulfill it. Some are big things, some are small, but we all are supposed to believe that he will take care of us. That's where a lot of the posters get mad at me because I have told them they have to trust God about the world, because we as Christians have no way to change what is happening. They think they are supposed to get involved with other people's sin (rebuking) and that's their main focus. They don't take care of their own salvation at all. They think that the grace that is offered is flat out grace for all sin, and it's not. The grace he offered is for past sins forgiven when we believe, and sins that are repented for afterwards. Baptism of water is the baptism of repentance. Amos doesn't understand that or that the bible showed us that we need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
 
Amos is a follower. He has been told "this" and he believes "this" and won't look into whether or not the bible actually supports what it says. He is quite happy to let someone else take care of his salvation, and believe what they tell him to believe.
That's why some of the things he says he can't support without going off track. If he doesn't have the answer now, he "ignores".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 31, 2017, 12:03:39 pm


Jocasta,

Hey, I ain't Jocasta!  Though, he is freakin' awesome and all.   ;D

My beef with what Amos was saying was that on one hand, he's saying some people are of "the elect" and some are not....but then he goes on to say something about how we don't know who God will select in the future.  Okay, if it's all predetermined, then all the "selecting" has already been done, right?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 31, 2017, 01:29:01 pm
Sorry King - I'm hanging my head in shame...  :) 

The elect is anyone who believes in Jesus.

The elect is said to be chosen before the foundation of the World

I think I'm in shock. Amos listened to me about that there will still be people turning to God and we can't tell who will be saved, and that is why (for Amos) we need to be kind, because Jesus will not recognize anyone who is not kind and caring - example used was they did not give him clothes when they saw him on the street - and even the Elect can lose their salvation if they are not living the way a Christian should live. I guess it's like here's the rules; those who do not live by those rules won't be saved. Not that the rules are hard to follow. He wanted us to be good people, loving each other, treating each other well, helping people, comforting people. By behaving as a Christian we reflect the goodness of Christ and that gives Glory to God.

He believes that if you are brought up in a church household, that the children are also Elect but I pointed out that the only way that we are Elect is because of the belief of Jesus, and many children who come of age will leave the faith. He had not thought of that type of thing.

Yes God has "chosen" but the fact is we don't know who is and is not chosen. And everyone has until their death (or the end of times) to turn to Jesus. So anyone could be an Elect, and that is how Jesus is testing us to see if we behave in a Christian-like behaviour. The people who harass the gays could easily be losing their salvation if they are as hateful to the gays on CNN they will be the same outside and it's not love of the sinner hate of the sin. They hate them. There is no way they don't when they start demeaning them the minute they post against them.
God will be the judge of course, but if all Lutherans are like Amos (God forbid!) they don't understand that they have to love everyone and treat people the way we are supposed to treat them - like we ourselves want to be treated. Every time they are rude to a gay - or anyone else, they are going against God's Word. The problem is that they don't realize the next person that they are unloving to? Could be the one that is testing them for Jesus. That example was to emphasis that they are supposed to do what he taught us to and can lose our salvation if we choose not to.

Does that help KingOfRhye?

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 31, 2017, 04:27:18 pm
Anyone who gets banned:  Just come back under another name.  Everyone else does the same thing, including the fundies...just ask Matthew Mason/slidellman4life/Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz.  Or that blithering idiot Guest Verified, who has used probably 8 names by now.

And if it doesn't let you post even after changing your name, it means you are IP banned (i.e. it knows your computer's home address).  That's an easy workaround too, just get a program like TOR browser.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 31, 2017, 04:39:19 pm
Anyone who gets banned:  Just come back under another name.  Everyone else does the same thing, including the fundies...just ask Matthew Mason/slidellman4life/Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz.  Or that blithering idiot Guest Verified, who has used probably 8 names by now.
And if it doesn't let you post even after changing your name, it means you are IP banned (i.e. it knows your computer's home address).  That's an easy workaround too, just get a program like TOR browser.

Ok. Does it mean anything that I can still upvote comments?

Bob J. suggested a name contest for my new name: It's on the board he made for me, if you want to put in a bid! lol
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 31, 2017, 06:59:07 pm
Anyone who gets banned:  Just come back under another name.  Everyone else does the same thing, including the fundies...just ask Matthew Mason/slidellman4life/Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz.  Or that blithering idiot Guest Verified, who has used probably 8 names by now.
And if it doesn't let you post even after changing your name, it means you are IP banned (i.e. it knows your computer's home address).  That's an easy workaround too, just get a program like TOR browser.

Ok. Does it mean anything that I can still upvote comments?

Bob J. suggested a name contest for my new name: It's on the board he made for me, if you want to put in a bid! lol

Yes, you can still upvote AND downvote once you have an active new account on Disqus.  I wouldn't advertise the fact that you're you though, that would just give Christian News Network all the ammo they need to ban you again.  Change up your writing style a bit or something.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 31, 2017, 07:49:09 pm
found via the daily posts on FSTDT
http://conservatism.referata.com/wiki/Fundies_Say_the_Darndest_Things

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Fundies Say the Darndest Things (FSTDT) is a liberal mockery website that is a haven for apostasy, feminism, heresy, homosexual behavior, and the lust of the flesh. The site engages in demonic glorification, gloating, arrogance, pride, and otherwise reprehensible behavior. Unsavory comments allude to desiring carnal relationships, and they have a love affair for Darwinism and they tolerate Taylor Swift the evil harlot succubus. There is no substance on the site, no research, no biblical values, and no other redeeming qualities whatsoever.
This website plagiarizes and ridicules content produced by New Testament Baptist Church.

I guess they must have read my signature, see below! ;)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on August 31, 2017, 08:03:08 pm
Hey Bob, that link to wiki

If you go to the edit tab, they forgot to save it so no one else can edit it. LOL

I thought I'd leave it for you guys to have fun with.

Is the New Testament Baptist Church - Lady Checkmate's Church?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on August 31, 2017, 08:39:12 pm
Anyone who gets banned:  Just come back under another name.  Everyone else does the same thing, including the fundies...just ask Matthew Mason/slidellman4life/Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz.

Indeed.  My favorite Horowitz was Barry, anyway.  (80s/90s pro wrestling jobber who was actually a very very good worker...)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 31, 2017, 08:52:03 pm
Anyone who gets banned:  Just come back under another name.

Here's a possibility for you, Jocasta:
Sergeant Detritus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Discworld)#Detritus

Yes, he is a dumb troll.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Svata on August 31, 2017, 09:09:34 pm
He used to work as a splatter at a bar.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 01, 2017, 12:36:13 am
In case anyone is interested, I wondered who the guy in Amos's avatar picture was so I fed it into a search program, and it's an old actor named Eddie Anderson.  It looked to me like a character from the old Amos and Andy show, which would make more sense given Amos's name.  But it's not.

Also, there was a hit song in the 70s called "Amos Moses" by country singer Jerry Reed.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 01, 2017, 01:17:49 am
He used to work as a splatter at a bar.
Like a bouncer, but trolls are a bit more forceful :p
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 01, 2017, 01:19:30 am
If anyone is curious, been trying to get Amos to admit a paradox. (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/after_chile_eases_ban_on_abortion_president_michelle_bachelet_seeks_to_legalize_gay_marriage/#comment-3495259574) Having about as much success as you'd imagine.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on September 01, 2017, 07:12:58 am
If anyone is curious, been trying to get Amos to admit a paradox. (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/after_chile_eases_ban_on_abortion_president_michelle_bachelet_seeks_to_legalize_gay_marriage/#comment-3495259574) Having about as much success as you'd imagine.

Does Amos know what a paradox IS?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 01, 2017, 03:59:03 pm
If anyone is curious, been trying to get Amos to admit a paradox. (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/after_chile_eases_ban_on_abortion_president_michelle_bachelet_seeks_to_legalize_gay_marriage/#comment-3495259574) Having about as much success as you'd imagine.

Over here we see him misunderstanding burden of proof (http://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/hillsongs_brian_houston_says_he_believes_in_biblical_marriage_but_christians_shouldnt_dismiss_homose/#comment-3496723028)...yet again.  Also he claims evidence of God and says essentially that science owes everything to God.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 01, 2017, 07:07:44 pm
Does Amos know what a paradox IS?

I think I have it figured out, it goes like this:
Logic as might be taught by Amos

Pedophila is a sin.
Some pedophiles drink coffee
Therefore, all coffee drinkers are pedophiles.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 01, 2017, 09:16:16 pm
Does Amos know what a paradox IS?

I think I have it figured out, it goes like this:
Logic as might be taught by Amos

Pedophila is a sin.
Some pedophiles drink coffee
Therefore, all coffee drinkers are pedophiles.

He also likes to play the "sins of the fathers" game.  You know, the one where we are supposed to automatically hate someone based on something their father did.  Someone should let Amos know about Trump's dad's rather heinous connections.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 02, 2017, 04:48:45 am
Does Amos know what a paradox IS?

I think I have it figured out, it goes like this:
Logic as might be taught by Amos

Pedophila is a sin.
Some pedophiles drink coffee
Therefore, all coffee drinkers are pedophiles.

He also likes to play the "sins of the fathers" game.  You know, the one where we are supposed to automatically hate someone based on something their father did.  Someone should let Amos know about Trump's dad's rather heinous connections.

He tried to pull that idiocy in our debate. He literally thinks that is how DNA works. Some people just won't accept reality
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 02, 2017, 09:34:51 pm
And sigh, the entire conversation got deleted. You ever get the feeling they delete the threads when they realize one of their favorites is losing?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on September 03, 2017, 05:04:39 am
Wow, I just saw that, they nuked that entire thread, just about!  And I was just gonna respond to something someone said to me earlier, that I read but didn't respond to yet.  Hmm....maybe that person was who finally did it.   There was someone with a name I didn't recognize,  who was getting rather pissed at me for responding to Amos's copy-and-pasting of that "Nashville Declaration" with a tweet from the mayor of Nashville saying it didn't represent the views of their citizens, or something to that effect.  I think that's what happens, someone starts to go a little too far, and Christian News Network just erases everything to keep it from getting too out-of-control, I guess.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 03, 2017, 08:40:34 am
Wow, I just saw that, they nuked that entire thread, just about!  And I was just gonna respond to something someone said to me earlier, that I read but didn't respond to yet.  Hmm....maybe that person was who finally did it.   There was someone with a name I didn't recognize,  who was getting rather pissed at me for responding to Amos's copy-and-pasting of that "Nashville Declaration" with a tweet from the mayor of Nashville saying it didn't represent the views of their citizens, or something to that effect.  I think that's what happens, someone starts to go a little too far, and Christian News Network just erases everything to keep it from getting too out-of-control, I guess.

It's almost like they have hired Lady Checkmate as a moderator.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 06, 2017, 11:09:13 pm
I think Amos just quit on me.  Feel free to read (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/over_150_evangelical_leaders_sign_nashville_statement_affirming_gods_design_for_sexuality_marriage_g/#comment-3505673481) before they decide to nuke the thread.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 07, 2017, 04:28:18 pm
I think Amos just quit on me.  Feel free to read (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/over_150_evangelical_leaders_sign_nashville_statement_affirming_gods_design_for_sexuality_marriage_g/#comment-3505673481) before they decide to nuke the thread.

I was just this minute reading a thread you were going at it with him on (California bill) and showed up here explicitly to express my admiration (in you, not him).
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 07, 2017, 07:18:18 pm
I think Amos just quit on me.  Feel free to read (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/over_150_evangelical_leaders_sign_nashville_statement_affirming_gods_design_for_sexuality_marriage_g/#comment-3505673481) before they decide to nuke the thread.

I was just this minute reading a thread you were going at it with him on (California bill) and showed up here explicitly to express my admiration (in you, not him).
Pretty sure someone will flag me since I'm accusing Yahweh of genocide...still, been an interesting if pointless conversation. The man refuses to see sense.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 07, 2017, 07:48:34 pm
I know.  I keep poking at him too, just to see what he will say next.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 09, 2017, 12:02:44 pm
Oh, Crow, you are absolutely DESTROYING Amos in the Nashville thread.  It's the best reading I've had in a month.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 09, 2017, 03:30:49 pm
"The complex relationship between Morality and empathy"
by Jean & Jason, University of Chicago

Hum, where is the EVIDENCE that Chicago exists?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 11, 2017, 04:59:25 am
Oh, Crow, you are absolutely DESTROYING Amos in the Nashville thread.  It's the best reading I've had in a month.
I'm glad to provide some entertainment! My responses will be a bit delayed since I have family visiting, but Amos is having trouble keeping a steady argument going, so I don't know how much longer he will last.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 11, 2017, 10:57:18 pm
Quote
TheKingOfRhye
What's your point? Do you really equate same-sex marriage with child abuse, rape and murder?



ppp777

Yes I certainly do , they are all evils and all [ as I said ] , reality .

Oh Dear, oh Dear KingOfRhye, How oh how are you going to respond to this?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 11, 2017, 11:54:01 pm
Quote

MCrow
"Do good and make the world better"

Amos Moses
there is no good or evil in your A-theistic worldview ........... so how can you "do good" .... how can you make it better ... that would require you to know good from evil ..... and again .... there is no good or evil in your A-theistic worldview ...........


Oh Amos, sometime I wish it were true. That I was not constrained as MCrow has pointed out to you. That I could without ethical or moral regrets rid the world once and for all of ellipsis.

And bravo to you CrowFood. I can not say you are fighting “The Good Fight” or even that you are winning.  I can only hope and pray that it turns out to be Odin.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on September 12, 2017, 05:09:52 am

Oh Amos, sometime I wish it were true. That I was not constrained as MCrow has pointed out to you. That I could without ethical or moral regrets rid the world once and for all of ellipsis.

And bravo to you CrowFood. I can not say you are fighting “The Good Fight” or even that you are winning.  I can only hope and pray that it turns out to be Odin.

Well, I worship Azathoth, the Demon Sultan, the blind idiot god who cares not for the suffering or pleasures he causes, nor is he even aware of them.

...which is still a step up from whatever eldritch horror Amos worships...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 12, 2017, 08:04:33 am
Amos seems to be Christian News Network's remaining "star".  He has certainly been there the longest. I wonder how he has managed to escape the ban, because he has easily been guilty of all the things that get other people banned.  Someone over there is protecting him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 12, 2017, 10:10:49 am
Do they have a donations setup?  Because I know that, back on certain other forums I used to frequent, donate enough and you were basically untouchable, even if you were a blatant troll.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 12, 2017, 11:50:51 am
Do they have a donations setup?  Because I know that, back on certain other forums I used to frequent, donate enough and you were basically untouchable, even if you were a blatant troll.

I couldn't say for sure, but Christian News Network is such a clickbait & popup-ridden disaster of a website that they probably take the cash any way they can get it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on September 12, 2017, 10:03:43 pm
CNN had 60 hits on the firefox Ad blocker. I think I read one article.
You're not kidding that it is an Ad hound of a site.

I just hit Amos in his soft spot. I told him that he didn't know his bible well enough to discuss it with him, and that as a new follower of Jesus he should read the gospel and learn what Jesus taught us  to be like. lol!
Then I hit him below the belt when I told him there were more instructions than there were mention of Other People's sins.
Most of what Jesus taught were the sins were to teach believers about them so they could avoid them.
It wasn't to show that we should rebuke sinners unless they are Christians and know they are sinning. Rebuke = Reminder in that case. It still does not have to be done rudely.  :P

I'm enjoying being able to argue with Amos again, but I have to keep reminding myself that I need to write differently so they do not recognize me. I keep making comments that were made by Sharon_at_Home/ Mama Bearly and having to change them. And I have not started "preaching" below my answers yet either. I figure I'll have to slowly start doing that or they will connect me for that too. I really feel like I'm lying about who I am still. My conscience is bothering me too. I am hoping that with time I can be more relaxed and my conscience will settle too. I guess I'll have to wait and see.

I found a post from Lady Checkmate and made a post that said I was rebuking her for her sin but it appears to have been removed. lol! And I thought I was so nice about the whole thing too!  ::)

There are more posters with names I've never seen before too. And I've been hit by two atheists trying to 'stop me' from pretending lol!
I can't lie and say it isn't true, because I have had experiences that prove he isn't pretend. I don't like feeling attacked though. I don't mind talking to anyone but they both made me feel like I was being attacked for my belief.

I do understand what the gays go through with the ID10T Christians and this just added to my understanding. SMH
It would have been more fun to watch them both post with Amos. lol!   :P

I can't find any mention of the article that was about the Nashville statement now at all. not even in the archives of articles. Weird, isn't that? :o
 
I'm tired of those posters who say they are Christians but act like they think they are gods themselves. I am having to remove half of what I type as a reply because it's too sarcastic or belittling which is against how I act normally, but these ones drive me to that degree. Thankfully I edit before I post!
Oh btw I did teach Amos something!! He is using the information about free will to choose and he even used the fact that people can convert later in their lives and we can't know who will turn to Jesus and who won't - but he skipped the part about having to be nice so they will still turn to Jesus.
At least I got him to believe in Free will, so who knows what else he's actually listened to, right?  ;D
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 16, 2017, 06:23:32 pm
In the last day the following votes

Garbage Adam -
vladislavdmorzabe 6 comments total; last one 2 years ago

KingOfRhye -
disqus_xn1bDNn5UG 1 comment total; 3 years ago

Bob Johnson -
luvdemwarriors 11 comments total; last one 6 years ago

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 17, 2017, 05:12:15 pm
In the last day the following votes

Um, I'm not sure what this means?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 17, 2017, 07:16:36 pm
In the last day the following votes

Um, I'm not sure what this means?

It is very odd.
The up votes seem to be random and often on mundane comments. Amos and Paladin Roy also get these votes (most other folks have “Private” accounts and can not be checked). 

There seems to be a large number of DISQUS accounts each with twenty some “followers” and around 1000 “Following”.  All are ‘Follow” accounts they are often from Brazil or Greece. There are exceptions such as,
https://disqus.com/by/Ole_Ingvar/

Several of the accounts have links to or frequent soft-core porn sites.

Since DISQUS doesn’t provide statistics on where people vote, it is not possible to determine patterns of up voting. I cannot concern a motive for this and without tools, I am not willing to hand build a matrix of sites, accounts and ideological patterns behind this odd behavior.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 18, 2017, 04:57:24 pm
If you would like to enjoy the rare spectacle of Amos being in over his head and being called out by several people at once, go here, before the ban hammer falls:

http://christiannews.net/2017/09/18/biologist-acknowledges-rising-number-of-publications-calling-for-major-revision-of-standard-theory-of-evolution/#disqus_thread
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 18, 2017, 05:21:32 pm
go here, before the ban hammer falls:

Saved from the ban hammer....

Quote

from a new poster named ButILikeCaves to Amos Moses

Well, logic, reason, evidence don't work, and frankly upon reviewing you copious output on other discussion threads, it is safe to say you are a complete and total idiot.
You know little of what you speak.
I had Alphabits for breakfast and will later poop a better argument.
English As A Second Language Classes are taught at your local library.
Did you parents have any children that lived?
Hey, Cut & Paste Jockey, you once had an original thought but it died of loneliness.
And I am just on deck...

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 18, 2017, 06:28:43 pm
Amos was basically overwhelmed by all the people opposing him.  He left hours ago and hasn't been back.  VERY unlike him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 22, 2017, 01:20:08 am

My goodness!  Around 80% of the posts were removed.


And it seems you, RWH, are gone. I'll miss your posts. I was just reading them as they slipped off into the aether. Another sane, knowledgable person got the ban hammer.


brucewang is also gone. -Ban Hammered!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 22, 2017, 07:06:49 am
It is very easy to come back.  I hope you all do if they ban you.  I haven't recovered from the loss of Ambulance Chaser...boy is he missed over there.  I believe he was going to request reinstatement to be legit about it but I would doubt that works with these people.  Just download TOR browser, log in with a new name and let the fun continue.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on September 22, 2017, 03:54:31 pm
Yes, I was wondering why there were no replies to my posts.  To be quite honest, I'm losing interest in the site.  People like Amos get to insult others, yet nothing happens.  He was extremely insulting, dismissing the education and knowledge of others.  Imagine!  To tell someone who earned degrees that they are just mere pieces of paper.  Do the moderators even realize that some of the bad behavior on this list is motivated by people like Amos.   

Since we're not even on an even playing field, there is no real sense to try to participate.  I have found that I am not getting my own work done because I'm so busy countering the insults which others throw--with impunity!

I will continue to follow this list, but I probably will wean myself of Christian News.  Much of what they publish is not really news but rather meddling into the private affairs of others and other churches.  And the attitude of the list, especially the moderators, is certainly not Christian.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on September 23, 2017, 08:47:19 am
It is very easy to come back.  I hope you all do if they ban you.  I haven't recovered from the loss of Ambulance Chaser...boy is he missed over there.  I believe he was going to request reinstatement to be legit about it but I would doubt that works with these people.  Just download TOR browser, log in with a new name and let the fun continue.

That's kind of you to say. I have some thoughts on my current status, and I've been thinking about putting them into words. I may put together a post about it soon.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on September 23, 2017, 11:32:58 am
Good to see you again Ambulance Chaser!! ;D
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 23, 2017, 01:07:24 pm
I recognize that I'm kind of a one-man band over at Christian News Network.  Every time they ban me, it just steels my resolve to get back in there and slap them right back.  I realize that makes me an anomaly, most of you understandably don't have the patience to continue to go back and keep battling the same weak arguments, the same bigotry, the same hate. 

When I first started submitting these things to FSTDT it was always so great to read the responses from people here and then when a few of you got involved over there it was even better. That goes back well over a year now, old names like The Last Trump and WorldGoneCrazy were regular submissions (the former was banned, the latter has confined himself to a pro-life channel).  I always thought we just needed a place to talk about them, then this forum happened.  So it's been great, but it's dispiriting when people fall by the wayside.

Que sera sera I guess.  I'll just keep plugging away. I hate to see the kind of bilge posted by Amos Moses go by unchallenged.  It seems important to me to call out the ugly face of Christianity. 

Maybe it's personal for me too...I work in an office in a church as my source of employment and after all these years only just discovered they are evolution deniers (which I had no idea was the case with Lutherans).  Which is sort of like finding out your boss is Kirk Cameron.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on September 23, 2017, 01:40:14 pm
I taught English at two fundamentalist Baptist colleges from 1976-86 (five years each).  In those places I learned how to keep my mouth shut because I saw that I could not respond to all the ugliness without getting hurt.  At both institutions, faculty members disappeared in the dark of night.  The leadership couldn't stand being challenged on anything.  I get the same read here.  People who seem to be complete strangers go in for the attack seemingly without provocation.   And they immediately stick labels on people without any clear warrant to do so.  I can tolerate that because I know how to hold my own ground.  It's just that the moderator(s) look the other way when this ugliness occurs, and those who fight back against these people are the ones who get banned.  If people like Amos were put down, the conversation would be so much more civil.  Don't the moderators realize that people like Amos provoke the others to become strident and ugly as the only means of defense.  Politeness gets someone nowhere.

I have enjoyed getting to know people, and this list has done me some good inasmuch as other see what is going on as well, and we comment on it, perhaps as a way of licking our wounds when we have to come up with the likes of Amos and others under all of their assumed names.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 23, 2017, 02:08:46 pm

Don't the moderators realize that people like Amos provoke the others to become strident and ugly as the only means of defense.


I think it is exactly what the moderator(s) want for the website. The moderator(s) are in agreement with Amos, Jason, and mr goody.

Dialogs after banning look like,

Guest: Comment deleted
Amos: Ignored

Guest: Comment deleted
Amos: Ignored

Guest: Comment deleted
Amos: Ignored

Obviously this guest was an uncouth, foul-mouthed A-theist. Proof that the world needs to return to using the Bible as the sole textbook for public education and  the sole source for law.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 23, 2017, 03:02:05 pm
Well, even in my personal life I am told on a daily basis by people that if they did what I do it would drive them crazy.  I totally get that, but this is my entertainment.  I find it satisfying to shoot them down with things the world knows to be true, and more satisfying when they attempt to crowbar some scripture into the situation to bolster their lousy arguments.

(shrug) I dunno.  FSTDT has been great because I'm not constantly told that I'm wasting my time by people here.  It hasn't FELT like a waste of time.  Especially every time it's led to getting to know someone who feels the same way I do.

I also think, and I think Sharon would agree, that quote-unquote real Christians would approve of what I'm doing.  I don't know why more of them don't speak out against the lunatics.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on September 23, 2017, 04:03:50 pm
Jocasta,

I really appreciate your assessment on this issue.  I have mixed feelings about walking away from Christian News, but to me it represents a situation where the cards are stacked against us.    If MM is moderating the list, I can see where people like us don't stand a chance.  A simple rhetorical analysis reveals his biases even when he posts somewhat "neutral" topics.  Even the most bigoted people against Catholics still give the Pope the honor of being called by his proper name.  I shouldn't be so concerned, but this is bringing back memories of my ten years working for fundamentalist institutions where I got little pay but plenty of abuse.

I'm dealing with another issue which shouldn't bother me at all.  The dashboard lights on my new car aren't working properly.   I'm supposed to bring the car to the garage Monday since it is still under warrant.  It's a loose wire, I think, and the issue is bugging me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 23, 2017, 04:15:13 pm
Can you tell the people here more about MM, by whom I assume you mean Michael Marcavage?  I don't know much myself but people might be interested in knowing a bit about the guy behind Christian News Network.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on September 23, 2017, 06:44:22 pm
Can you tell the people here more about MM, by whom I assume you mean Michael Marcavage?  I don't know much myself but people might be interested in knowing a bit about the guy behind Christian News Network.

Rather than say anything, may I direct everyone to the web site that Michael Marcavage used to host?  It's located here, the Repent America site:  http://www.repentamerica.com/newsarticles.html (http://www.repentamerica.com/newsarticles.html)

The following link gives Michael's side of some of the trouble he got himself into:  http://www.repentamerica.com/narratives.html (http://www.repentamerica.com/narratives.html)

This is where I discovered Christian News as there seemed to be a link at one time.  I don't have time to scour the page right now.

This site takes you directly to the news articles written about Marcavage.  None of it is terribly recent, but it should give you hours worth of reading.  Of special interest is that as a former student at Temple University, he got in trouble because he protested the play Corpus Christi.  He demanded equal time and a public platform at the school and refused to leave the President's Office (I believe) until his demands were met.  For that one, he was hauled off to the psych ward.  He and the Philadelphia Eleven protested at Gay pride in Philadelphia and got himself arrested.  It was a big trial.  Among other things, through the court, he got the provisions in the PA Civil Rights Law that protect gays from nondiscrimination.  There must be at least 50 articles and a lot more on his web page.  One of his last escapades was street preaching at the Liberty Bell where crowds of people waiting in line were forced to listen to him.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), he seemed to disappear after 2008.

Whatever he does seems to be crude and unpolished.  Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if Amos weren't Marcavage personally or someone closely associated with him.  Amos' personality seems to mirror that of Michael.

My university is way off in the northwest corner of Pennsylvania, so Mike and his buddies never picketed our school, but for a while he was a regular at the West Chester branch of our State University System (not to be confused with Penn State and its regional campuses).  He was close buddies with a man with the last name of White, who got himself into deep trouble over child molestation charges. 

When the Dover PA school district made the news over teaching Intelligent Design a few years ago, Marcavage and gang were canvassing the city, street preaching and going door-to-door.

I tried to look up other information, but he seems to have dropped out of sight.  Maybe he got a real job, but I don't know who would want him around as he is so obnoxious.  He hasn't attempted to infiltrate gay pride in Philadelphia for a while.  Otherwise, we would have heard about it.  wikopedia doesn't seem to have anything recent on him.

He's a lapsed Catholic, which explains his demeaning attitude toward the Catholic Church.  Apparently, he's still single, and someone said that he claims to be a virgin.  Another evil twin is a man called James Hartline.  He had the same rabid anger against abortion, Catholics, and gays as Michael has, but James claims to be an ex-gay.  I don't know about Michael, but the two seem to be of the same mold.  James seems to have dropped out of sight pretty much, but he is fighting AIDS.  There is an interesting video on Youtube of him crying in a hospital office because he lost his wallet, an he was demanding to see security camera footage of the hospital pharmacy, which the hospital would not provide.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 26, 2017, 09:41:40 pm
On the Christian News Network story "60 year old woman attacked by transgender activist during feminist rally on gender", there were 119 comments a short time ago.  The censors came in and cleaned house and now there are 8 comments, mostly by Amos and Jason Todd.  Garbage Adams is banned.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on September 27, 2017, 08:03:41 am
I was posting to tell Amos to stop telling people I was a fraud because he cut and paste YOUTUBE links and a warning not to listen to me to every thing I said.
So I flagged each comment as targeted harassment, and look at that! I got banned for defending myself and for trying to make a truce with him, but he gets to continue to post his disgusting comments to anyone he disagrees with.
So I went to Disqus and found a place to start a discussion and wrote about how they dealt with Amos (no names used, not even the site) and myself, that the moderator is friends with him and lets him do what ever he wants while banning others who are gay, atheists or people who disagree with their belief. I also mentioned all the bans that they did not to long ago.
I had someone from Disqus tell me to go to
https://about.disqus.com/tos-violation-submission   - and fill out a form to make my complaint official.
Talking rudely is one thing, trying to ruin my reputation is another thing altogether. I hope my complaint has them look at the moderator and actually DO something. I should think the fact that there were multiple bans and I doubt there were reasons given, will catch their attention if they can look at the records, which I expect they can.
Thought I'd let you know about this complaint process if anyone is interested in putting it to use. 
Oh and I'm going to go back with another user name. I am too pissed about his attempt to smear my name to let him post without someone writing a more reasonable way to believe. I will take a lot, but to be persecuted by another Christian; no I won't do that. It's against God to do what he did, so I am doubtful that he will have salvation, he does not follow the way Jesus told us to behave in any way. He shows none of the Fruits of the Spirit, and we are to know other followers by their fruit. He is not a True Christian even if he has a different belief, he isn't following what Jesus told us to do, so he'll be one of the ones calling Lord Lord and being told that Jesus doesn't know him. He really thinks that he has nothing to do to have salvation and I can't seem to make him realize that Jesus didn't waste his breath telling us how to behave so we could ignore it and act which ever way we want. I think I could pity them for their mistakes, but their arrogance makes me change that to disrespect.
The form asks for an email so I will have to let you know if I get anywhere.
My question was submitted to a Questions about Disqus link, and that is where the moderator suggested the official complaint form. Here's the link..  Blessing everyone!
https://disqus.com/home/channel/discussdisqus/discussion/channel-discussdisqus/admin_being_targeted_in_posts/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on September 27, 2017, 10:24:22 am
Sharon, if I believed in a Hell, I'd hope that people like Amos Moses have a place in it. Also, Jason Todd, Oboehner, Guest Verified, and ((shudder)) Roye E. Van Blaricome.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on September 27, 2017, 03:45:20 pm

I had someone from Disqus tell me to go to
https://about.disqus.com/tos-violation-submission   - and fill out a form to make my complaint official.
Talking rudely is one thing, trying to ruin my reputation is another thing altogether. I hope my complaint has them look at the moderator and actually DO something. I should think the fact that there were multiple bans and I doubt there were reasons given, will catch their attention if they can look at the records, which I expect they can.
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Sharon,

Words cannot express how proud I am of you.  If you have some sort of success, maybe the rest of us should also file complaints.  There is certainly enough evidence on the site to back that claim.  If MM is the censor on this, maybe it will be a good lesson for him.  I have been thinking about his disappearance, and I attribute it to his backers, who had been paying all of his legal bills and who most likely said that they were through and would let him blow in the wind the next time that someone hoisted him up.  It's significant that he has disappeared and the his Repent America name and page have pretty much disappeared off the radar screen.

On the sad side, it is a painful reminder of the ten years I spent working for fundamentalist Baptist institutions in Minnesota and Wisconsin where people who even gave the slightest indication that they questioned the system were hung out to dry.  Thankfully, I was able to walk away on my own terms instead of being pushed.  In 1995 I wrote an article on fundamentalism for a leading English journal, and got most of this out of my system.  Of course, it made me a Persona Non Grata, but it accomplished a lot.  These people knew who I was and what I thought about them in a venue that they couldn't control, and I was able to get things out of my system.  The article has been referenced quite a number of times in other publications.  This time around, I thought that the best path was to walk away.  I admire your energy to go back into the arena. 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 27, 2017, 06:27:06 pm

I had someone from Disqus tell me to go to
https://about.disqus.com/tos-violation-submission   - and fill out a form to make my complaint official.

I may be wrong, but the way I read the words of that form - it sounds like it's intended to crack down on channels that don't deal with the hate speech that comes in from the general public.  What it DOESN'T do - I think - is address the MODERATORS of the channels who are abusing Disqus.  That's how I read their opening paragraph at least:

"We are working on solutions to fight toxic behavior on our platform, including removing publishers who are unwilling to take advantage of our software solutions for moderating hate speech and other toxic discourse."

For Disqus to refuse to do anything about toxic and abusive board moderators is nothing new.  Lady Checkmate is the gold standard there - she's a piss poor moderator that bans practically everything that gets posted, along with the people who post them.  Just an utter fascist.  But if you complain about her, or any other moderator over there, you are basically told "if you don't like this channel, find another one."  I suspect that's what we would be dealing with if we complained about the way Christian News Network is run.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on September 28, 2017, 04:25:02 am
On the Christian News Network story "60 year old woman attacked by transgender activist during feminist rally on gender", there were 119 comments a short time ago.  The censors came in and cleaned house and now there are 8 comments, mostly by Amos and Jason Todd.  Garbage Adams is banned.

Looks like I missed all the action. I’ve been busy the last couple of days. I see Beamer also got banned. I didn’t get to read the thread but I can make a good guess what that crowd would say.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on September 28, 2017, 12:07:50 pm
 A couple Christian News Network discussions are absolutely on full boil right now, if anyone wants to jump in:

http://christiannews.net/2017/09/26/aclu-sues-michigan-to-stop-state-from-contracting-with-adoption-agencies-that-wont-place-children-with-homosexuals/

This is the one where Beamer and Garbage Adams were banned, but it's on again:
http://christiannews.net/2017/09/25/60-year-old-woman-attacked-by-transgender-activist-during-feminist-rally-on-gender/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on September 29, 2017, 12:11:23 am
I've got a lot on my plate right now, but that article about homosexuals will bring out the worst in the Fundies, so I have to get in there again to guard against their hatred towards people who are/support the gays,
I can't just leave them without a Christian defense can I?  ;D

Ok guess which new poster is me, I have to change my way of speaking but not my belief. So I am totally not sure if I can pull this off, but I will pray for help and see what God guides me to.

If I can get into the discussion - I hope you enjoy! and pop in to agree with me too ok? hahaha

I have to say that I am feeling good lately about the direction my life is turning and my enjoyment of proving their way of believing in a hateful God is what people who visit and read his garbage (sorry garbage, no relation to you haha) with the other view alongside of it. I won't so much fight with Amos as frustrated him by not arguing with him. I will do what he used to do to me; post scriptures proving what I say and no comment towards what he says in his comments directly so I am not really engaging in the battle, but I am in there doing the confusing and frustrating that they can't get their own opinions to make an impact with my own posts nearby, with no reference to his, but obviously opposed to his.
Do you think that is enough NOT like me to not make him suspicious that it is me at least not as fast as he did with Beamer.
I'll see if I can fit this instead of my usual confront the nasty poster from the front. This way I am kind of coming from a different angle and it will not be something most people do with fundies - argue. disagree. Because I won't engage with them at all, I will post my thoughts as either replies to posters not appearing to be fundies, or you guys, or by going to the top of the comments to post. Either way Amos at the very least will be attracted to putting down anything I say, and he won't get a reaction from me other than what I was already doing: making my posts as kind of stand alone posts that they have to approach me, and see what they do when I ignore them and post scriptures as the answers to their posts instead of my opinion. It will be interesting to watch them try to post something that will tilt that apple cart without me being troubled or reacting so they have me set up to persecute.
I have a most awesome point to say at some point if I can. Amos, or fundies, are persecuting other Christians by trying to say that their beliefs are wrong. There is more than one way to believe and Jesus made that clear when he talked about the 7 churches in Revelations. He told us not to trouble each other about our beliefs, mind you I have to find that scripture again. It's not an easy one to imagine the way it is said in the bible, which is how my online bible searches.
That is why I knew I was being helped when I was able to come up the right scriptures during a discussion with Amos. I can remember what they say as in my own thoughts about what they say, but have a hard time putting those together with a search for scriptures at times. But during that one discussion when I was really trying to convince Amos to read the gospel and realize what I was saying was written in the gospel and might just might make him think about it on his own.
I doubt he did. He did not even trouble himself to read most of them before. This time I will keep my posts short and to the point. The opposing point.
I pray I can give you some enjoyable reading for even a short time before I am banned!!

It's all between friends after all, right? Fundies just are not friends. lol
God bless you all.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on October 18, 2017, 03:56:24 am
From LadyInChrist-BlessesdBe 's Disqus page
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_kEDmrTA1vT/

Quote
Father God, I seek you to Protect all Christians from MCrow, james blue and Eldrida Urika I seek Your Justice on behalf of all Christians they hate in Jesus Name Amen

Congratulation, you are being remembered
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on October 18, 2017, 02:33:09 pm
From LadyInChrist-BlessesdBe 's Disqus page
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_kEDmrTA1vT/

Quote
Father God, I seek you to Protect all Christians from MCrow, james blue and Eldrida Urika I seek Your Justice on behalf of all Christians they hate in Jesus Name Amen

Congratulation, you are being remembered

That....is.....shocking.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on October 19, 2017, 04:45:28 am
Haaaaa...I’m guessing it’s just a LadyCheckmate alt. She’s annoying. Nice to be noticed, but it just makes me laugh.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on October 20, 2017, 10:15:51 am
Haaaaa...I’m guessing it’s just a LadyCheckmate alt. She’s annoying. Nice to be noticed, but it just makes me laugh.

You aren't the first one to suggest that.  I'm less certain, she expends a LOT of energy disciplining and shrieking at and punishing the people who use her Disqus channels.

Then again, putting people's names she will "pray for" in her own profile reeks of something Checkmate would do.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on October 25, 2017, 06:13:02 pm
I think I have entered Bizarro World with this thread:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/nc_gov_submits_consent_decree_allowing_transgenders_to_use_restrooms_aligning_with_gender_identity/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/nc_gov_submits_consent_decree_allowing_transgenders_to_use_restrooms_aligning_with_gender_identity/)

Apparently now (at least according to some of our "old friends" like Guest verified and Jerome) it's liberals who are obsessed with who's using what bathroom and "trying to legislate everyone's move".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on October 26, 2017, 10:42:46 pm
I think I have entered Bizarro World with this thread:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/nc_gov_submits_consent_decree_allowing_transgenders_to_use_restrooms_aligning_with_gender_identity/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/nc_gov_submits_consent_decree_allowing_transgenders_to_use_restrooms_aligning_with_gender_identity/)

Apparently now (at least according to some of our "old friends" like Guest verified and Jerome) it's liberals who are obsessed with who's using what bathroom and "trying to legislate everyone's move".

I seriously hope Jerome gets to see a psychiatrist soon about his anger problem. Living in such a constant, persistent state of hate-filled spite can’t be good for his heart.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on October 28, 2017, 08:34:32 pm
Looks like Jerome got banned!  All of his comments in that thread are gone.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on October 29, 2017, 01:11:41 am
Any day that shitheel gets banned is a good day.  I hope I played a part in it.  I reported several of his deliberately insulting threads, and told him so.

He never learns.  You guys are better than I am at spotting Matthew when he returns under a new name, so keep me posted.  Sorry my time on Christian News Network has been a little short lately, I've been in full-tilt Lady Checkmate assault mode.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on October 29, 2017, 03:07:39 pm
He never learns.  You guys are better than I am at spotting Matthew when he returns under a new name, so keep me posted. 

“Maxwell Edison,” private account created today, 11 comments, 10 votes. And continues to banter with ThePanominePrincessMargaret with the same”logic” and tone as Jerome.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on October 29, 2017, 04:18:20 pm
“Maxwell Edison,” private account created today, 11 comments, 10 votes. And continues to banter with ThePanominePrincessMargaret with the same”logic” and tone as Jerome.


See?  I'm such an idiot.  I should have picked up on that in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on October 31, 2017, 09:11:37 pm
“Maxwell Edison,” private account created today, 11 comments, 10 votes. And continues to banter with ThePanominePrincessMargaret with the same”logic” and tone as Jerome.


See?  I'm such an idiot.  I should have picked up on that in a heartbeat.

I’m going as Matt for Halloween. I’m not going to wear any specific costume, just regular clothes, but I’ll walk around with a permanent sneer, saying absurd, idiotic things, and insulting people who disagree with me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on October 31, 2017, 09:48:41 pm
I’m going as Matt for Halloween. I’m not going to wear any specific costume, just regular clothes, but I’ll walk around with a permanent sneer, saying absurd, idiotic things, and insulting people who disagree with me.


Don't forget to quote the APAs Rind Study often as proof liberals are insane.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on October 31, 2017, 10:29:27 pm
I’m going as Matt for Halloween. I’m not going to wear any specific costume, just regular clothes, but I’ll walk around with a permanent sneer, saying absurd, idiotic things, and insulting people who disagree with me.


Don't forget to quote the APAs Rind Study often as proof liberals are insane.

Yes, liberally and often.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 01, 2017, 09:53:24 am
Also, the Rind study means that anything the psychiatric profession says is automatically wrong.  At least that's what I was told.   ???
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on November 01, 2017, 11:51:59 am
Hi Everyone!
Ambulance Chaser Would you please tell me if I am wrong with this. You can't go on the CNN Board, right.
It's an article about a Judge who was questioned because he recused himself from dealing with cases with same sex or transgender people who are adopting. he felt he had a bias and recused himself and he found another Judge to take the cases he wanted to be recused from.
Isn't that the point of recusing yourself as a judge from any cases is the acknowledgement that they have a conflict of interest that might cause a bias so they don't want to take that chance so they just don't do those cases.

This guy recused himself and because they couldn't get him on doing a case that they could scream bias about, they are charging him with Ethics issues.  :(

If the whole point of asking to be recused from any case the right thing to do if you feel you might judge incorrectly whether it is intentional or without intent, if they feel like it could happen, isn't that the right thing to do?

It's like he is damned if he does and damned if he didn't

They were looking at him for the recusing to be discriminatory and isn't that why he took himself out of the cases?

I feel like because he did the right thing in removing himself from the cases he felt he might judge from bias, and giving them to a Judge that has no bias - obviously not a devout Christian as this Judge is.

Isn't charging him with making the public lose confidence in the law department like, wrong. He tried NOT to do something wrong and it should be lauded that he did, shouldn't it?
Judges who don't do that get charged with using bias in their judgements whether they do or not, just because it might have been since he is a Christian.

I would think people would think this judge is a man of honor and was a good Judge for doing what he did. That all judges should take themselves off cases that have a conflict of interest.

I really don't understand what this judge did wrong. He stood up for his faith, took him out of situations that conflict with his faith on purpose to cause no harm because of it, and found someone to take those cases without bias.  ???

So they judge him, aiming at his disagreement with the way they live, no different really than not judging the homeless if you are against them, if you remove the faith. It doesn't have to have any more than an investigation into whether he followed the law about when to recuse yourself or not. A persons view of a person for any reason that is negative and could make a difference in how the judge rules, can they still be criticized and looked at as discriminating when their intent was to avoid that situation all together?

I'm so confused how this has happened. He's a good man and honorable man. and what he did that was right, is being turned around to make it wrong.   :-\

You have always helped me with any law knowledge I've needed before to understand, so I know you can help me with this one too.

Thanks and God bless you A.C.!  ;D
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on November 01, 2017, 10:39:59 pm
Self-recusal is for individual cases. It’s when a judge has a case before him where he knows a litigant, used to work for one of the law firms, has a financial stake in the outcome, etc.

It is NOT for entire classes of cases. If a judge can’t impartially handle the ENTIRETY of the LGBT community, the proper solution isn’t to pull out of all cases involving them, it’s to resign, because your impartiality is too compromised to continue.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 02, 2017, 08:52:42 am
Self-recusal is for individual cases. It’s when a judge has a case before him where he knows a litigant, used to work for one of the law firms, has a financial stake in the outcome, etc.

It is NOT for entire classes of cases. If a judge can’t impartially handle the ENTIRETY of the LGBT community, the proper solution isn’t to pull out of all cases involving them, it’s to resign, because your impartiality is too compromised to continue.

So...all of those people (quite a few of them on Christian News Network as I recall!) who were saying that the judges who had previously officiated same-sex weddings should have recused themselves from Obergefell were utterly full of crap?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on November 02, 2017, 09:40:49 pm
Self-recusal is for individual cases. It’s when a judge has a case before him where he knows a litigant, used to work for one of the law firms, has a financial stake in the outcome, etc.

It is NOT for entire classes of cases. If a judge can’t impartially handle the ENTIRETY of the LGBT community, the proper solution isn’t to pull out of all cases involving them, it’s to resign, because your impartiality is too compromised to continue.

So...all of those people (quite a few of them on Christian News Network as I recall!) who were saying that the judges who had previously officiated same-sex weddings should have recused themselves from Obergefell were utterly full of crap?

Yes, even moreso than Judge Nance in Kentucky. In the case of Ginsburg and Sotomayor, they didn’t say they were biased. Other people did. So they had even less reason to recuse themselves.

28 U.S.C. 455 does require a judge to recuse him or herself in any situation in “any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” But Ginsburg never made any public comments on whether she thought gay marriage was protected by the US Constitution. She just performed same sex weddings in states where it was already legal. It would be absurd to require that judges literally do nothing outside of being judges, ever, under any circumstance, lest a case come before them that somehow involves a recreational activity that they participate in. Should Scalia have been barred from hearing cases involving guns, animals, or hunters, because he was a hunter? Should Sotomayor refuse to hear cases involving women, Hispanic advocacy, or baseball, because she’s a fan of all of them? That would be ludicrous.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 03, 2017, 08:20:28 pm
So, to summarize:  Fundies don't understand law.  As usual.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Sharon_at_home on November 04, 2017, 11:43:19 pm
Awww, King I'm not a fundie but I don't know law, and especially not everything about US laws. I have to look those things up if I don't want to make a mistake there.

Jocasta, I've been noticing that Lady Checkmate as well as that other Lady in Christ always are the 2 up-votes for the fundie posts. I also found her to be much like you have described as Lady Checkmate, plus she is not sure of who my cousin is  representing and whether they will catch her making the same kind of comments I did and ending up banned as I was.

Lady in Christ and my cousin had a discussion on the board close to when she first started. She told her that she did not trust her and of course then there is that prayer for Eldrida. She won't allow for the fact that I am her cousin and believe the same things, and she seems to expect her to go off like a lol fundie would lol!

I am disappointed with what you have said but I can't argue with you A.C.

I expect it was because the Christian view is more restricted now than it ever has, some have to give up their whole lives to be faithful to our Lord. It's a sad day when someone tries to be careful not to have his faith affect cases, and get fired for it.
In this case it was about adoption of children into gay or transgender partner homes. he knew he would have trouble with those cases and recused from them. I don't know that he did for all cases though, unless Judges rule in adoption cases only in Family court? If it was a case that it did not go against our faith, he likely would have no bias. It is just hard for us to give up a belief that we have always had, because we are forced to, and not because it is 'fair' or anything else and it can easily be taken care of with the other judge in accord.
Imagine being a high official and then having all that goes with that status without time to adjust to some circumstances. He said it was new for him to have to deal with those cases and he chose to recluse for one case then tried to make everything right by not taking those cases. But no, for all the years of good honorable service to the people these people of faith have to literally give up their lives because other people want us to be tolerant, but no one shows tolerance back to us.
If it was a gay judge who didn't want to make a bias judgement for drunk drivers because his brother was just killed by one, you think he should just go with the flow immediately? Maybe I should say, do you think they just toss those feelings into the air while he judges someone for drunk driving. I don't see why a judge who has proven himself as a Judge should not be allowed to have one kind of case be in his courtroom. If his problem is strictly about gays and marriage, it is not fair tomake the people give up everything. They didn't even offer him a different kind of courtroom to try on things that did not go against his beliefs. It's like FU for not agreeing with us. tough luck you lost your livelihood because you are an honorable person who won't turn your back on what you believe and allow that to be forced into your life you have not had a problem with as long as you were a judge but now because of new laws that go against your faith, tough luck next time don't be such an honorable and trustworthy or faithful and you will be allowed to have a job. It's just not showing tolerance for people getting used to these laws and how to deal with it when they are forced to. It isn't like he wanted to intentionally use his belief in his judgements involving gays because he arranged for someone without that belief to take those cases making it impossible for that Judge to do any damage in any way to that /those people. He was honest and forthright about it and acknowledged that he had a problem knowing if he could judge without a bias and felt those cases should go to someone else because of that. Even Judges are human. Unfortunately being human is not legal anymore. Everyone insists you agree with them even if you don't. So what is the difference anyway, eventually they will try to force Christians to go against their faith other ways too.
And it's not just Christians this generation intends to force to their beliefs but anyone who doesn't agree with the principle of their belief. Not everyone agrees but everyone should have the right to not agree. It would create a much more peaceful world.

Why don't people understand what others are all about but want everyone to know about them?
Why do all the other groups that want us to be tolerant not have to be tolerant of some things that are for their benefit, not our own. What would benefit someone who chose to give someone else cases so that they would not break the law and end up using their bias in judgement. If it is easy enough to sin without immediately recognizing it, why would it be easy to think that they can redirect their way of life and until the situation comes up as a problem, everything is fine until someone points their finger at a good person who was actually trying to do the right thing.

I am also getting tired of being told that I HAVE to agree with everything everyone else INSISTS I must.
I'd be a lot happier if did not feel like it is being forced on us, and when you don't agree but you literally are forced to go against how you view something, it's wrong. It's like the German soldier who only followed orders and didn't agree with it himself. He was forced to or give up his life too. They shot soldiers who would not obey them.
There is always a compromise if someone will look for it and if both sides are willing to be tolerant of something as being something that is important to our faith and that is morality. If you didn't agree with pedophilia (which I doubt  you agree with) but were forced to watch videos of the rape of children it would turn you away from ever going against the way you felt being forced to do something that is against what you believe. There are plenty of Judges and what not's that are not Christian and it is not a big deal to sort them out when all it is is about our belief that homosexuality if against God's Word. That's the only thing that really goes against a believers faith. Otherwise there is no problem with homosexuals as a person to any other law case.
Marriage is something that is clearly written about in the bible and the parentage of children was also made clear besides the scriptures that refer to the act of homosexuality.
But we are not allowed to have that belief or if we do we are forced to go against it by the laws that are intolerant of our beliefs, but lets everyone else's belief trump (sorry) the religious beliefs that we have.
It could push the believers into a communities that are focused on their faiths because anyone outside that community will be trying to force us into betraying our faith in our God. No one should be forced to go against their conscience or give up their faith. and making people of faith give up jobs they were perfectly good and honorable before the gays were allowed to get married is wrong. You cannot force someone to change how they view something even if you can force them to appear like they are.
For instance, a person who dislikes Trump will not agree with a person that does like Trump. A person that does not like Trump is not forced to remain working for him because they are allowed to disagree about him.
A Christian who wants to remain faithful to his beliefs, is told too bad do it and do it without bias.
There should be a way to not demean one side, to lift the other side out of the dark place they were in. They should both be recognized whether everyone agrees or not there is no reason why it has to be all or nothing, when it can be worked out if both sides are willing to give and take with each other. thats how people work to get along together not by making one side go against their belief while another gets to over-ride another. I don't care who gets lucky by being at the top of the stack it should not be about anything more than fairness. On an individual case because I don't agree that the minority should always win over the majority and that there are times when it is ridiculous to give in to the demands of one person in a community of 1000 who disagree with them. That's just not trying to get along with anyone because you aren't interested in talking it through. You won't get along if both sides can't budge on the issues that can be beneficial for both sides.

The problem here are the media Christians and how they hate everyone for being sinners and think that they have salvation even with that attitude.
I keep giving them a challenge to prove that Jesus told us to punish the non-believers for their sin. No one seems to be fighting what I say in any way, with or without scriptures. I am learning that is how Fundies get by with the version of their faith intact. Ignore anything that is in the scriptures that says anything different than what their church believes in. Or the old stupid defense "But the bible says so". I am looking forward to someone who actually searches the scriptures about whether what I say is true or not. Ironically to me, it says that in the scriptures to check out people's explanation about the scriptures. Look for yourself and determine if the teachings are in alignment with the bible. They aren't interested in being taught about salvation because they think they already have it without question. SMH If they tried reading the bible through, they would realize how wrong that is and how it will end up for them as it will be those that will be crying Lord Lord because of the things they didn't do as well as the things they did. Jesus told us how to behave properly so obviously they didn't get that far in the bible or they would not be such aggressively hateful as they are.
It's really better for them to at least try to understand what the scriptures mean to them. Amos would not even believe it when I was being directed by the Holy Spirit. He has only the Spirit of redemption (water baptism) and has no idea what it means to be totally directed by the Holy Spirit. He needs to recognize more than he has about Jesus and what the bible is saying to us.
Like I said, why would Jesus waste his breath talking to all those people if it was all chosen before the foundation of the world. Why bother. Why not just smite all the non believers and make the world all about his relationship with his children. He is capable of that, and that is shown clearly in the OT. so why would anyone ignore anything that he himself said about each person's salvation being their own concern. I guess they really think that Jesus liked the sound of his own voice and wanted a book written about everything he said just you know because no one has to listen or do what Jesus talked about. Just accept God's grace of forgiveness of sin and bingo some people think that is all there is to salvation. Otherwise why would he have given us instructions about our lives and how we behave in unquestionable honesty and with the glory being given to God who is the one who enables people to do things.
Sorry for the rant. I am annoyed with the SandraleeSmith that comments. I don't appreciate being told I don't know the bible based on a few posts. She has no clue who I am but she thinks she should speak to me like I am a liar about my faith even though everything I say is able to be found in the scriptures. Sometimes I want to throttle arrogant people like that. I have discovered that I know more from the years I've been in a religion, than some people will ever know about the bible and most of them will never understand why I can say that. The best part is when they try to fight back with me and end up quitting because they can't argue against what I say because the scriptures actually say what I have posted. So they quietly move on without finishing the discussion.

I believe I was banned for making accurate assumptions about Amos and his life by putting the things he has said into a picture of the man. He did not like that I had figured it out so well as far as he got upset when he denied what I said.
Amos is an older gentleman cough cough who has at least a sister at a guess, and that sister has given Amos a precious niece that he dotes upon, who is still quite young and not one to speak yet at the time. I figured it out by what he said, so it is him that told me that information, just in bits and pieces at a time LOL.
Gotta go.Church tomorrow.
Blessings! Thanks for giving me a place to rant, I really appreciate it at times, more than you probably realize.  :-*

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 05, 2017, 08:47:18 am
Awww, King I'm not a fundie but I don't know law, and especially not everything about US laws. I have to look those things up if I don't want to make a mistake there.

Well, that's one difference between people like you and me, and most fundies.  We'll actually admit it if we don't know something, and make an effort to find it out.  Unlike people such as, say, Amos, who for some reason thinks he knows law better than uh.....basically 99% of everyone else, including actual lawyers and such.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on November 06, 2017, 09:12:29 pm
Ugh...so anyone else kinda feel like CNN is a sunken cost? I honestly just can’t stand these people anymore. Logic, proof, and evidence slide off them like water off a duck’s back. Worse, they don’t even understand their own theology. But I feel like I continue commenting because I’ve already put time in...

Maybe I just need a break from it for a while...joys of being an argumentative apostate...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 06, 2017, 09:29:31 pm
Ugh...so anyone else kinda feel like CNN is a sunken cost? I honestly just can’t stand these people anymore. Logic, proof, and evidence slide off them like water off a duck’s back. Worse, they don’t even understand their own theology. But I feel like I continue commenting because I’ve already put time in...

Maybe I just need a break from it for a while...joys of being an argumentative apostate...

If you need a break, take one. We all need a rest sometimes.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 06, 2017, 10:55:14 pm
Ugh...so anyone else kinda feel like CNN is a sunken cost? I honestly just can’t stand these people anymore. Logic, proof, and evidence slide off them like water off a duck’s back. Worse, they don’t even understand their own theology. But I feel like I continue commenting because I’ve already put time in...

Maybe I just need a break from it for a while...joys of being an argumentative apostate...

Don't forget how much we all enjoy your posts to them.  I love, love, love to see the appeals to logic and common sense sit there like smoke bombs on their self-righteous forum.
But take a break by all means if you need one.  Breaks are good. 
For myself, I love to say "No True Scotsman fallacy" to Amos any chance I get.  It makes him have temper tantrums.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 06, 2017, 11:12:41 pm
Ugh...so anyone else kinda feel like CNN is a sunken cost? I honestly just can’t stand these people anymore. Logic, proof, and evidence slide off them like water off a duck’s back. Worse, they don’t even understand their own theology. But I feel like I continue commenting because I’ve already put time in...

Yes, Most of the comments I've been reading have me thinking, "So much wrong, where do I begin?"

I think the general feeling on a current thread is that even false churches should require open carry.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 07, 2017, 09:18:58 pm
Christian News Network is becoming even more of a machine hog, over 40 threads opened, over 245% CPU  usage. (That is 3 of my processors.)

Exiting CNN does not cleanup all of those processes. Indeed some of them continue even after exiting the browser (Safari and Firefox).
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 07, 2017, 10:24:48 pm
That sounds a mite suspect...you tried going there with uBlock and/or NoScript?  Methinks the little adsies are giving your poor browsers migraines.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 09, 2017, 02:50:02 pm
No surprise of course, but Lady Checkmate now appears to be getting some of her "news" stories for her Disqus channels directly from Christian News Network.

Because of course she is.

The two worlds of hate are now combining.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on November 14, 2017, 09:18:55 pm
If Amos Moses is going to defend an individual’s right to own a functional nuclear warhead, he’s beyond help.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 15, 2017, 11:59:53 am
I simply can't wait for this one to get approved, I have to post it now.  I hit the motherlode in terms of Amos's stupidity.  This is the grand poobah, queen mother of FSTDT submissions.  And I was a part of it all!

____________________________________

Silas Jennings:
“Science has been proving the Bible correct for decades”
Source please? We know Noah’s flood was impossible, that snakes cannot talk and let’s not get started about Jonah...

Amos Moses:
back at cha ..... Source please? .......

Silas Jennings:
You shouldn't need one unless you possess the answer about how those two penguins walked all the way from Antarctica, but this is a good starting place:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood

Amos Moses:
penguins can SWIM .... next ........ and FYI ..... there were more than 2 ......

Silas Jennings:
I see. And the kangaroos hopped?

Amos Moses:
kangaroos can also swim ...... need the video? ...... and you are making assumptions NOT based in science and on YOUR desire to believe what you want to believe .......... FAIL ............

Silas Jennings:
The video of two kangaroos taking a little transcontinental swim? Yes please. And penguins too if you don’t mind.
Do take your time. I think you’re going to be a while.

Amos Moses:
AGAIN .... you are making ASSUMPTIONS not based on any facts .... just what you want to believe .... you have no evidence it was a "transcontinental swim" ..... and penguins spend MONTHS at sea except for when they lay eggs and hatch ..... so "long swims" .... EASY .....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on November 15, 2017, 12:27:11 pm
He just took Occam’s razor and drove over it a few times with a Ford F-350.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 15, 2017, 01:24:54 pm
He just took Occam’s razor and drove over it a few times with a Ford F-350.

Infuriatingly though, he's strutting around like he's victorious in this.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on November 15, 2017, 08:01:02 pm
He just took Occam’s razor and drove over it a few times with a Ford F-350.

Infuriatingly though, he's strutting around like he's victorious in this.

This is why I’ve been hammering home on the idea that Amos thinks he’s God, or at least God’s Chosen super-special BFF. He’s making sweeping claims about what is and isn’t true, and if you disagree with him, you’re disagreeing with God. Really, the only thing that’s missing in terms of cult status is that Amos has the charisma of wet garbage.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 16, 2017, 01:50:02 am
Another annoying thing about Amos is his whole "what are you doing on a CHRISTIAN forum........" question.  You might not even be opposing a Christian principle, just a Christian principle filtered through Amos's bizarre worldview.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 16, 2017, 09:04:21 pm

Jerome Horowitz/Jason Todd/slidellman4life (real name Matthew T. Mason) is now Maxwell Edison.

It should be easy enough to get him banned.  Just report him every time he calls someone a name.  Which he will do eventually...he can’t help himself.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 16, 2017, 09:27:32 pm
He's supporting Roy Moore, no surprise.  Here's his Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/slidellman4life?lang=en
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 18, 2017, 07:27:32 pm
I am having a minor epiphany.  Reading Reason2012 and Amos’ responses, it seems that their legal reasoning and scripture interpretation often consists of taking certain words and applying some obscure definition of that word as the one and only meaning.  Thus words, such as, “right” means an unconditional right any time and any where.

After telling Amos to repeatedly get a dictionary, he still butchers the English language. Currently Amos, as he has done before,  is redefining the Strawman logical ploy to mean any differing statement with which he disagrees.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 18, 2017, 09:56:50 pm
I started to get selfconscious about telling Amos to get a dictionary because I did it often under different usernames (the CNN ban hammer was strong), and I thought I was the only one to tell him his definitions were not the ones the dictionary uses.  It's good to know other people mention it too.

For all the good it did.  He's one of the stupidest people on the face of the earth.  He seems to think that the day God "chose" him (rather than the other way around) he was absolved from all future book learning.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: dpareja on November 19, 2017, 03:49:28 pm
I want to know if any of these folks would understand these two verses:

Quote
The Koran! well, come put me to the test--

Lovely old book in hideous error drest--

Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,

The unbeliever knows his Koran best.



And do you think that unto such as you,

A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,

God gave the Secret, and denied it me?--

Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.

--Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (trans. Le Gallienne)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 19, 2017, 04:12:09 pm
I started to get selfconscious about telling Amos to get a dictionary ...

Latest posting by Amos Moses
"GOD cannot be wrong and is not wrong .... and is not a liar ...... the dictionary is written by men who are ALL proven liars ........... and if what they say varies with scripture ..... then it is a lie ..............."

http://christiannews.net/2017/11/14/australians-vote-in-favor-of-same-sex-marriage-in-nationwide-postal-survey/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on November 20, 2017, 08:58:02 pm
It is really kinda pitiful how badly they are handling Australia’s vote. Like, Reason2012 has to go full conspiracy nut because he can’t accept that most people want it legalized, and only a small minority wants to halt it. Oh well. Demographics are shifting, religion is dying out, and hopefully there will either be a re-examination of the major religions that leads to a chill pill or they just collapse.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 20, 2017, 09:02:08 pm
When Amos is losing, and losing badly, he invokes God and/or scripture.  And abandons all reason.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on November 20, 2017, 09:10:22 pm
When Amos is losing, and losing badly, he invokes God and/or scripture.  And abandons all reason.
He’s had to go a different route since I started accusing him of setting his ego as God. Now he’s just saying I’m a liar and need to be ignored, in that lovely way he does by responding to everything that’s written.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 21, 2017, 01:19:14 am
Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. - 21 posts on CNN and he has only had an account for 2 day
Every Post worthy to be submitted to FSTDT
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 21, 2017, 07:43:44 am
Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. - 21 posts on CNN and he has only had an account for 2 day
Every Post worthy to be submitted to FSTDT

I am seriously beginning to think he's a sockpuppet of Jerry.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 21, 2017, 02:08:33 pm
Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. - 21 posts on CNN and he has only had an account for 2 day
Every Post worthy to be submitted to FSTDT

I've only spotted him in the "Superintendent Apologizes" story on CNN.  What other ones has he been in?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on November 21, 2017, 03:23:12 pm
It is really kinda pitiful how badly they are handling Australia’s vote. Like, Reason2012 has to go full conspiracy nut because he can’t accept that most people want it legalized, and only a small minority wants to halt it. Oh well. Demographics are shifting, religion is dying out, and hopefully there will either be a re-examination of the major religions that leads to a chill pill or they just collapse.

There may be a cascade effect as churches start shuttering or cutting services. They’ll become more and more inconvenient to get to at a time that people are already too lazy and/or disinterested in going to them, which will snowball their decline.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 21, 2017, 06:41:19 pm
I've only spotted him in the "Superintendent Apologizes" story on CNN.  What other ones has he been in?


Several. His account is public.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on November 21, 2017, 06:47:19 pm
Yeeeeeah, so far I’ve gathered that Tony is a dominionist and unapologetic for it. He’s calling for a literal holy war in one response to me. It’s...rather terrifying.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 21, 2017, 08:03:34 pm
Eldrida Urika is freakin' OWNING Amos in this thread....

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/two_men_who_identify_as_women_elected_to_government_offices_as_days_grow_darker/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/two_men_who_identify_as_women_elected_to_government_offices_as_days_grow_darker/)

I just love it when another Christian takes a fundie to task, ya know?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 21, 2017, 08:12:13 pm
Tony calls someone a "faggot" at least twice in this post.  He can be banned for that, but people have to report him.  If you want Tony gone, that's a good way to start.

http://christiannews.net/2017/11/12/let-little-boys-wear-tiaras-church-of-england-tells-anglican-schools-in-new-guidance/

Also I think I mentioned Maxwell Edison is back and that's Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz.  I caught him calling someone a moron and reported that one too.  Report those ones.

EDIT:  Ew, this guy (Tony) is just awful.  Read everything he writes if you get a chance.  He hates basically everybody and everything - women, homosexuals, catholics/episcopalians, muslims, etc.  He's also from the Lady Checkmate/Oboehner school of making up a hateful word if the English words aren't hateful enough, so it's not gay but homofaggotry, not lesbianism but lesbidianism.  He's probably going to be a big hit over there if they don't ban him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 21, 2017, 09:53:36 pm
Jerry - maybe Pastor Jerry Dixon
check out this post from July 2017

https://pastorjerrydixon.wordpress.com/2017/07/27/message-from-a-fellow-believer/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 21, 2017, 10:08:02 pm
I guess Jerry isn’t a troll as most people thought.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on November 24, 2017, 04:50:17 am
Christian News Network has a new bully. TruthvLles has lots of post but no content. All he does is call people “silly” or “asinine.”

While being a pain in the butt, he has actually never said anything post-able on FSTDT, indeed not even anything besides childish insults.

Got some time - go view his comment history
https://disqus.com/by/TruthvLIes/?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 24, 2017, 06:19:57 am
Christian News Network has a new bully. TruthvLles has lots of post but no content. All he does is call people “silly” or “asinine.”

While being a pain in the butt, he has actually never said anything post-able on FSTDT, indeed not even anything besides childish insults.

Got some time - go view his comment history
https://disqus.com/by/TruthvLIes/?

Yeah I have been battling with him.  He is a punk though.  Just irritating like a mosquito.  Not a fourteen karat prick like Tony.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 24, 2017, 08:28:47 am
Also, he seems to think Australian businesses can discriminate freely (he lives there and has apparently taught commercial law) regardless of the anti discrimination laws that clearly state they can't.

That all came up in the thread about the SSM vote there, of course, after some people mentioned the US Civil Rights act to him, and he said he doesn't have that in his country. 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 27, 2017, 10:01:35 am

Anyone who follows Christian News Network should read this.

Ever notice that you can see upvotes for comments, but not downvotes?  Well, now you can.  You won't see who downvoted, but you WILL see how many downvotes a comment got.  And sometimes it's quite shocking, as though a bunch of people banded together to pile on downvotes.  (Or they use sock accounts, but I'm not a conspiracy theorist quite to the extent of certain other people around...)

Anyway if you want to install it on your Chrome browser it's here:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/disqus-downvote-exposer/onccocebmmmcfgipaappfpolojndnkce?hl=en

And if you want it for Firefox it's here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disqus-downvote-exposer-moz/

It works for all of Disqus forums, not just Christian News Network.  You will find it VERY interesting...if you hit a nerve with a fundie, you will certainly know it now.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 30, 2017, 10:37:45 am
Now that TruthvLies guy is telling me that because the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment starts with "Congress shall make no law", it ONLY applies to actions of Congress, and therefore a public school can have whatever school-led prayer they want, I guess.

I really feel like I should have another counter-argument to that besides what I've been going with, which is basically "that's not the way that's been interpreted because the 14th"....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on November 30, 2017, 12:46:23 pm
Now that TruthvLies guy is telling me that because the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment starts with "Congress shall make no law", it ONLY applies to actions of Congress, and therefore a public school can have whatever school-led prayer they want, I guess.

I really feel like I should have another counter-argument to that besides what I've been going with, which is basically "that's not the way that's been interpreted because the 14th"....

I LOATHE that guy.  He was so bad I blocked him for a while.  Now it's probably time to go ten rounds with him again.  Have you got a link to all your fun?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 30, 2017, 03:34:57 pm
Now that TruthvLies guy is telling me that because the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment starts with "Congress shall make no law", it ONLY applies to actions of Congress, and therefore a public school can have whatever school-led prayer they want, I guess.

I really feel like I should have another counter-argument to that besides what I've been going with, which is basically "that's not the way that's been interpreted because the 14th"....

I LOATHE that guy.  He was so bad I blocked him for a while.  Now it's probably time to go ten rounds with him again.  Have you got a link to all your fun?

But of course....

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/prayer_of_thanks_removed_from_elementary_schools_thanksgiving_program_following_complaint_christian_/#comment-3639853884 (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/prayer_of_thanks_removed_from_elementary_schools_thanksgiving_program_following_complaint_christian_/#comment-3639853884)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on December 02, 2017, 06:40:53 pm
Now that TruthvLies guy is telling me that because the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment starts with "Congress shall make no law", it ONLY applies to actions of Congress, and therefore a public school can have whatever school-led prayer they want, I guess.

I really feel like I should have another counter-argument to that besides what I've been going with, which is basically "that's not the way that's been interpreted because the 14th"....

There isn’t another answer. That’s the only answer, and the correct one. He’s just another member of the apparently-growing, sovereign-citizen adjacent movement to delegitimize the Supreme Court.

I’ve been calling them Radical Originalists, but feel free to help me come up with a better term. Regular originalists are the people who think that courts should only rule according to the exact, literal, intent of the framers of whatever constitutional provision they’re reading. Radical originalists believe this as well, PLUS they believe that any rulings that don’t follow this scheme can simply be ignored. It’s never been made clear to me who makes that decision. The Really Really Supreme Court?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on December 03, 2017, 09:08:38 pm
Christian Persecution Syndrome is in full flower over at Community Council
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-communitycouncil/ladycheckmate_qa/

Our old friend Jerome, Jason ….,…. Maxwell Edison needs help

Quote
Can anyone be so kind as to flag Netizen James, Mark Sebree and that Silas guy? In the school coach praying story at Christian News (dot) net Silas is trying to get me banned by telling lies because I am going after the Anti-Christian trolls in there. The mod is once again not doing their job and banning these lefty libtards when they openly attack people of faith and lie about it!

Fortunately, Robin Egg is trying to help him win his battle of wits with the unGodly. If you have a moment lend your support - Go vote up their valiant effort to rid the world of diverse thought.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 04, 2017, 06:56:45 am
Fortunately, Robin Egg is trying to help him win his battle of wits with the unGodly. If you have a moment lend your support - Go vote up their valiant effort to rid the world of diverse thought.

His little plea, now that I checked on it, actually seems to have done SOME good for them.  A bunch of those posts were removed.  I went through the Silas ones and many that were removed were harmless.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 04, 2017, 07:16:08 am
Interesting, I tried to flag a bunch of Maxwell’s obnoxious name-calling posts and had no option to actually submit them.  I got a list of reasons I was flagging the comment but there was no SUBMIT button, only CANCEL.

I will try later on when I am not in my phone.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 04, 2017, 02:20:11 pm
This is what he's up to now...

(https://s7.postimg.org/8o4r1gfd7/maxwell.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 04, 2017, 02:26:10 pm
Don't go looking for the previous exchange, by the way...Christian News Network removed it and deleted everything.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on December 04, 2017, 03:06:59 pm
We’re not trying to get him removed so we can “spread hate unchallenged.” Maxwell spreads hate and anger better than anyone I know.

We’re trying to get him punished (not necessarily banned) to teach him some humility. Because so far, he doesn’t seem to grasp that spewing anger, spite, and derision at everyone who disagrees with him is not a mature or effective way to communicate.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 04, 2017, 03:11:52 pm
We’re not trying to get him removed so we can “spread hate unchallenged.” Maxwell spreads hate and anger better than anyone I know.

We’re trying to get him punished (not necessarily banned) to teach him some humility. Because so far, he doesn’t seem to grasp that spewing anger, spite, and derision at everyone who disagrees with him is not a mature or effective way to communicate.

Problem is, he never learns his lesson.  He is always banned out of sheer obnoxiousness, he seriously has no patience for people who disagree with him.  Basically he can't NOT call people names.  So he's not difficult to spot when he returns with a new name.

The thing he used to say that pissed me off the most is, you'd express disagreement and he'd say "Would you like a tissue?"
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 05, 2017, 09:31:35 pm
Can we work on getting Maxwell axed, please?
Anyone over at CNN.  They WILL delete his comments if he calls someone a name, which is often.  Just flag the comments where he does that.  That should be all we need to do.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: CrowFood on December 05, 2017, 10:43:39 pm
Can we work on getting Maxwell axed, please?
Anyone over at CNN.  They WILL delete his comments if he calls someone a name, which is often.  Just flag the comments where he does that.  That should be all we need to do.
I have, though it’s kinda like squishing ants. Also, I found it immensely curious that, of all the posts that he flagged, the one of mine that got deleted is the only one I actually cited the Bible. I can’t decide if that fits the definition of irony or not...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 05, 2017, 10:45:13 pm
I have, though it’s kinda like squishing ants. Also, I found it immensely curious that, of all the posts that he flagged, the one of mine that got deleted is the only one I actually cited the Bible. I can’t decide if that fits the definition of irony or not...

And once again you are flagged for anti-Christian stuff when you never even mentioned Christianity (in your post to him just prior to that one).
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 05, 2017, 11:17:59 pm
If anything, he is far worse than he ever was when he was Jason Todd.  Now he doesn't block people, he just goes "Troll post. Flagged."  And he's successful at getting the posts removed far more often than he ever used to.

I posted a direct link to the post he made on Lady Checkmate's channel where he called us all libtards and said the mod at Christian News wasn't doing their job.  Needless to say it was deleted.  I appear not to be banned, but he's doing his best.  I have to lay low a couple days both for the good of the situation and my temper...he irritates me so much I want to kick his teeth in.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 06, 2017, 12:02:52 pm
A breakthrough!  Inspiration struck earlier, don't know why it took me so long to figure this out, but...

I have access to a Disqus channel where I am the moderator.  In other words, I can do the same thing Lady Checkmate does, remove people at my whim (not that I would do that, but you get the idea).

I thought, why not "page" all the great Christian News Network posters over to one place to organize ourselves a bit, just as Amos/Maxwell/Checkmate are doing?  After all, if they're on Disqus (which they MUST be in order to comment at CNN) you can message them.

So I did...and to my delight we've already heard back from Croquet Player, Michael C and Rookheight and that's after only an hour.  Others are sure to be on their way.

We can FINALLY get a bit organized and put up a united front against the BS we see daily.

If you have a Disqus account and want to join us, here's the link:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-asthedykturns/christian_news_network_message_to_the_embattled/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 10, 2017, 09:41:27 am
Many of the worst people on Christian News Network are being "assembled" and organized into a discussion group by Lady Checkmate, which is REALLY interesting to me because she mostly keeps to her two echo chambers on Disqus and only goes to Christian News Network to upvote Amos.

Here is the channel she is using for this purpose:
https://disqus.com/home/channel/communitycouncil/

Here's the thead where she makes the call-out:
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-communitycouncil/socks_trolling_christian_news_network/

She's keeping her "Peewee the Troll" story alive and well and amazing no one is calling her on it, gullible little sheep they are.  That's right, Lady Checkmate, you are only being "trolled" by one single person with 6 million accounts.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on December 19, 2017, 01:20:12 pm
http://christiannews.net/2017/12/18/gods-word-is-true-geologist-says-unusual-discovery-in-antarctica-confirms-biblical-flood-account/

Eldrida Urika, Sharon’s cousin posted:

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As I know they will remove an actual address, I am changing
it so you can work it out.

It is a report about some scientific findings that I thought
you might like to see. I checked out the people mentioned and many of them are Nobel Prize winners, and includes quotes by Stephen Hawking too. I think it is a fascinating report regardless of what the scientists found, but it’s even
greater because of the discovery.

It's on that popular site with digital film.
dotcom slash watch question mark v equal sign Er9D00DXQQs

Editor's translation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er9D00DXQQs

This is scientists explaining about the Big Bang and how it happened in their own words

I could only watch the first few minutes of the video. I would love to see a “fact check” review of the claims made.
And amazingly this youtube video has over 11 million views and many positive comments.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 28, 2017, 10:42:20 pm
Maxwell/Jerome/Jason being hugely obnoxious again.  I hope someone piles on him.  He’s just the biggest asshole ever.

http://christiannews.net/2017/12/05/australian-state-legalizes-assisted-suicide-euthanasia/ (http://christiannews.net/2017/12/05/australian-state-legalizes-assisted-suicide-euthanasia/)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on December 29, 2017, 12:50:41 am
Maxwell/Jerome/Jason being hugely obnoxious again.  I hope someone piles on him.  He’s just the biggest asshole ever.

http://christiannews.net/2017/12/05/australian-state-legalizes-assisted-suicide-euthanasia/ (http://christiannews.net/2017/12/05/australian-state-legalizes-assisted-suicide-euthanasia/)

Am I missing something? I didn’t see Maxwell in that thread.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 29, 2017, 10:09:22 am
My mistake, it's this thread:
http://christiannews.net/2017/12/27/weve-prayed-about-it-professing-christian-couple-refuses-womans-pleas-not-to-abort-baby/#disqus_thread (http://christiannews.net/2017/12/27/weve-prayed-about-it-professing-christian-couple-refuses-womans-pleas-not-to-abort-baby/#disqus_thread)

Some of this is still visible and some has been censored out because Maxwell flagged it:

Maxwell Edison:
Don't call yourself a Christian if you think abortion is okay, especially for yourself. There are multiple verses of scripture that indicate how much God values life so there is no excuse to kill your unborn child.
As in NONE.
It's murder.
Get it?

Thepantomimeprincessmargaret:
What a shame the government disagrees with you.

Maxwell Edison:
Don't care. God agrees.

Thepantomimeprincessmargaret: (This comment now removed)
Sure he does.  And He probably hates all the exact same people you do, too.

Maxwell Edison: (This comment now removed)
Flagged for trolling and blasphemy.

Thepantomimeprincessmargaret: (This comment now removed)
It is NOT.  Your whole problem is you scream and flag first and don't even take the time to understand.  My point, which has sailed clear over your head, is that you are taking your own personal prejudices and trying to find ways to make it seem that God has the same exact opinion of it that you do.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RWH on December 30, 2017, 10:39:48 am
I wonder if the individual who made the tape got permission to post the tape.  If I were part of the couple, my lawyer would have contacted these people by now.

On another note, things would have been much easier if the couple simply told the protesters to mind their own business and simply walked away.  I was in Kansas during Operation Rescue's "Summer of Mercy."  Judge Kelley was allowing the protesters to block the entrances and to play their games until it became evident that outsiders were going to come in to "smash heads."  Most of the "faithful" came from outside Wichita, and Operation Rescue energized their following.  The rest of everyone else simply saw these folks as bullies that should mind their own business.  A few protesters attempted to picket the home of the judge and landed in prison for it.  And how they cried that they were being persecuted.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on December 30, 2017, 01:32:57 pm
TruthvLIes is now banned from Christian News Network.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on January 10, 2018, 08:17:12 am
Just got this gem from LadyInChrist responding to me here (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/gideons_no_longer_allowed_to_offer_bibles_at_kansas_elementary_school_following_complaint/#comment-3700711118):

Quote
I know you are a part of the group ((BobRumba)) has formed to go against Christians on Christian sites.
It is wrong what you all are doing and I pray that God will protect the Christians from your hate and that God will stop you and the others in His perfect timing and through His perfect Will. In Jesus Name.



Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 10, 2018, 08:55:47 am
That is hilarious.  Big mean old Bob Rumba. 

Let's not forget to remind miss LadyInChrist about her own Lady Checkmate-led witch hunt intended to get us banned.  I would link to it but Christian News Network would delete the comment and might ban you.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: SomeApe on January 10, 2018, 12:58:08 pm
What's up with those brackets? Does she think you are 2/3 jewish?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 10, 2018, 02:37:18 pm
After reading Amos’s grammar abominations, I don’t think I even notice other people’s anymore.

Looks like Checkmate even showed up, a rare retreat from her safe spaces where she controls everything.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on January 11, 2018, 07:37:23 am
Apparently God told LadyInChrist I've been using sockpuppet accounts.  That's news to me....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 11, 2018, 12:04:15 pm
Maxwell continues to offer nothing but insults.  I flagged him for being a raging asshole and urge everyone else there to do the same.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 11, 2018, 04:24:53 pm
Maxwell/Jerome/Jason Todd/slidellman4life, real name Matthew T. Mason, has mercifully been BANNED again.

He basically can't NOT be obnoxious.

And so there was great rejoicing.  Until his next incarnation.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: niam2023 on January 11, 2018, 06:16:33 pm
Maxwell: I am a reactionary Time Lord, thus, I have Regenerated yet again!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 11, 2018, 07:17:03 pm
He's really a very messed up person...in real life too, it would appear, if his Twitter feed is anything to go by.

He spends half his time tweeting prescriptions for Jesus, how we all need Jesus, ask me how Jesus turned my life around, would you like to know Jesus?  etc., and the other half the time complaining about how lonely and shitty his life is.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on January 11, 2018, 11:07:28 pm
He's really a very messed up person...in real life too, it would appear, if his Twitter feed is anything to go by.

He spends half his time tweeting prescriptions for Jesus, how we all need Jesus, ask me how Jesus turned my life around, would you like to know Jesus?  etc., and the other half the time complaining about how lonely and shitty his life is.

I’m not really surprised he has a lonely, shitty life. He’s so angry and hate-filled that no one wants to be near him. Although, to his credit, I’m not sure which one came first. Is he nasty and mean because he’s lonely, or is he lonely because he’s nasty and mean?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 11, 2018, 11:28:29 pm
I’m not really surprised he has a lonely, shitty life. He’s so angry and hate-filled that no one wants to be near him. Although, to his credit, I’m not sure which one came first. Is he nasty and mean because he’s lonely, or is he lonely because he’s nasty and mean?

Good question.  All I know is that if I were Jesus I wouldn't want this guy doing any public service announcements for me, since it seems like all Jesus has done is make him angry and lonely and bitter. I found myself this close to feeling sorry for him, something I didn't think I was capable of feeling towards him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 12, 2018, 11:26:42 am
Maxwell started a thread crying about being banned at Christian News Network...of course he posted it at Lady Checkmate's channel.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-communitycouncil/banned_again_at_cnn/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on January 12, 2018, 07:19:17 pm
They don’t seem to understand what a “troll” is. The definition of a “troll” is not “anyone whom I disagree with.”

To be a troll, you have to show up at sites intending to anger and upset people, behave disrespectfully, and say deliberately inflammatory things, often things you don’t actually agree with. No one at CNN is in the slightest bit disrespectful or rude. We just call people out for saying stupid, insane, and demonstrably false things. The fact that it upsets (g)you to be proven wrong over and over again does not make me a “troll.” I can’t help your lack of maturity and self-control.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 12, 2018, 10:05:13 pm
They don’t seem to understand what a “troll” is. The definition of a “troll” is not “anyone whom I disagree with.”

To be a troll, you have to show up at sites intending to anger and upset people, behave disrespectfully, and say deliberately inflammatory things, often things you don’t actually agree with. No one at CNN is in the slightest bit disrespectful or rude. We just call people out for saying stupid, insane, and demonstrably false things. The fact that it upsets (g)you to be proven wrong over and over again does not make me a “troll.” I can’t help your lack of maturity and self-control.

They are all very good at re-painting a situation to make it look like they are persecuted and oppressed.  In order for them to do that most effectively, they have to stick us all in a box and label the box a certain way.  I'm sure lots of the people that battle them over there are moderate Christians (i.e. Catholics, Lutherans, Episopalians, Methodists, etc) and might well be conservative on the political scale and are perfectly well behaved on any forum they go to, but Checkmate and company are always going to see them as atheistic "alt-left trolls".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on January 25, 2018, 05:14:14 pm
I think I might have found Lady Checkmate's hero:

https://www.cnsnews.com/author/dan-gainor (https://www.cnsnews.com/author/dan-gainor)

(CNS News is similar to Christian News Network, except they seem to focus more on politics and less on religion)

If you look at his last dozen or so stories, they all start with the title "Alt-Left Insanity", and basically consist of him poking fun at various things some liberals have said or done, as if to say "that's what all liberals think!"

I was thinking about posting some of them on FSTDT, but they're pretty damn long....maybe I'll try to condense them somewhat, I dunno.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on January 25, 2018, 06:27:58 pm
I think they have the same idea....that if you say “alt-left” enough times it will catch on and other people will start to use it. My reaction to that is to point out to them every chance you get that nobody says it except them.  Kind of like when Amos and WorldGoneCrazy say “a-theist”.  Or when WGC uses his “deathscorts”, “bro-choicers” and so on.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on January 30, 2018, 08:49:59 pm
http://christiannews.net/2018/01/07/gideons-no-longer-allowed-to-offer-bibles-at-kansas-elementary-school-following-complaint/

This 20 day old thread is now in its third major purge
Another 10 days and another purge. It when from 998 total messages to 288.

So far 710 messages removed.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on February 05, 2018, 03:24:44 pm
Game on!
http://christiannews.net/2018/02/03/atheist-activist-group-complains-to-school-district-after-teacher-casts-doubt-upon-evolution/


edited: It is becoming industrial grade stupid.
Hey it is getting near Darwin's birthday
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 05, 2018, 04:14:33 pm
Game on!
http://christiannews.net/2018/02/03/atheist-activist-group-complains-to-school-district-after-teacher-casts-doubt-upon-evolution/


edited: It is becoming industrial grade stupid.
Hey it is getting near Darwin's birthday

Wait, our exalted Lord and Savior's birthday is coming up? How could I have forgotten?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on February 05, 2018, 05:23:27 pm
Quote
Tangent002
Listing a number of arguments and expecting a rebuttal of every one of them is called a 'Gish Gallop'. All of these arguments have been thoroughly debunked.

Skywatcher57:

Easy to say, so where's your proof! Come up with the proofs and I'll come over to your camp! Anyone can make a foolish and unfounded statement as you have here, so back it up with some proof, please.

Yes, please do answer all of Reason2012’s arguments in own words, 500 words or less, complete sentences.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on February 06, 2018, 07:59:56 am
I am glad I had a chance to read that thread before the imperial hand of Christian News Network shows up and censors 90% of the comments out.

Although the only people losing their shit are the Christians, as usual.  Well, most of them.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on February 07, 2018, 10:27:38 am
That thread is still going strong and the bigots are getting absolutely humiliated by the people who understand science.  This CAN'T last.  The Christian News Network censor is going to crash the party anytime and go on a deleting and banning spree.  I'm going to save this thread while I can...Skywatcher57 is a moron of incredible magnitude, and whoever this Richard Forrest is, I wish I could bottle his responses because they're so well-detailed and presented (although he's showing a tendency to lose his temper, which I hope doesn't result in him being banned...God knows this place doesn't need much of an excuse to do that...)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on February 07, 2018, 02:04:57 pm
That thread is still going strong and the bigots are getting absolutely humiliated by the people who understand science.

On the same thread - it looks like Reason2012 has slightly modified his comment to make my Carbon-14 response seem off topic and not relevant. His mentioning "in the air" and rewording of the last sentence seems to have changed.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on February 07, 2018, 03:35:12 pm
That thread is still going strong and the bigots are getting absolutely humiliated by the people who understand science.

On the same thread - it looks like Reason2012 has slightly modified his comment to make my Carbon-14 response seem off topic and not relevant. His mentioning "in the air" and rewording of the last sentence seems to have changed.

Good catch.  He eliminated the reference to carbon, so now the comment makes no sense. 

"7) The Earth was not supposedly formed when the imagined big bang happened. After a few hundred thousands of years, with a half life of 5,730 years, there should be none left, yet it’s found in abundance in “ancient” fossils."

There should be none OF WHAT left?  None of anything?  Is he saying everything has a half-life of 5,370 years?

I think I'll even call him out on that....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Dappler on February 08, 2018, 03:23:49 am
From that snippet, it looks like the dumbass is confusing 14C  and 13C too. One of them you get in fossil fuels, and one you don't. Hence how you can tell the origins of something like methane - biogenic vs. thermogenic, and it also happens to be one of the key proofs that fossil fuel emissions are causing the rise in atmospheric CO2 concentrations (you know - if you can't do math).

(http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/fig/figure2-3-l.png)
https://www.skepticalscience.com/Paper_Archives_Reveal_Pollutions_History.html (https://www.skepticalscience.com/Paper_Archives_Reveal_Pollutions_History.html)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on February 08, 2018, 01:41:32 pm
He says two things repeatedly, one is that he's "old enough to be your father" (could explain the blinkered attitude) and the second, he's Canadian.

As a Canadian myself, I feel like apologizing to the entire world on his behalf.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2018, 06:02:14 pm
You know your data is awesome when the graph that comes out of it looks like it was made with MS Paint.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on February 09, 2018, 01:41:27 am
Quote
Drake
Except that evolutionism is a religious belief, not a scientific one. It requires blind faith to accept evolution since nobody has ever seen it happen, and it cannot be shown to occur in a laboratory. The only evidence for evolution is Hollywood movies, cartoons, drawings, and false assertions.
      

     Netizen_James

     That's simply false. We have observed speciation as a result of selection pressure both in the laboratory and in the wild. We have SEEN
     evolution in action.
     It's real, it's true, it's science - get used to it.



      Drake
           
'Speciation'
      is NOT the same as Darwinian evolution - whereby an animal of one kind
         changes into an animal of another kind (ie dogs to whales; theropods to
      birds). Not all things termed 'evolution' are equal.


               Consider that after 100+ years of fruit fly study (speciation in the lab), the
               resulting variants are incapable of surviving in the wild - they cannot
               compete with unaltered fruit flies. Unaltered fruit flies won't even cross-breed
               with the altered ones, so they can only survive in the laboratory. So much for
               'survival of the fittest'. There is a limit to how many mutations a genetic
               system can tolerate, and virtually all mutations are detrimental.




                      Bob Johnson
                      
Sigh

                        
   Drake
   
                                Consider this: If fruit fly studies had shown what they'd hoped
                       for, namely that they can create a whole new kind of superfly by
                       simple selective breeding, it would have been all over the news
                       ages ago, and in every textbook to this day. A process for
                      adding only beneficial mutations through selective breeding is
                       not viable due to the laws of thermodynamics.



   james blue
   Sigh




We need a new category - called “Fractal Wrong”
This isn’t fundie. It is just plain wrong. Wrong in every dimension. So wrong that there is no way to start to respond.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on February 09, 2018, 10:28:31 am
I especially love the part where he talks about "dogs to whales".  Just makes me wanna scream "EVOLUTION DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, DUMBASS!  No one SAYS it does!"
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Dappler on February 09, 2018, 10:34:20 am
Natural selection + time =
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on February 09, 2018, 12:52:49 pm
That thread is still going strong and the bigots are getting absolutely humiliated by the people who understand science.

On the same thread - it looks like Reason2012 has slightly modified his comment to make my Carbon-14 response seem off topic and not relevant. His mentioning "in the air" and rewording of the last sentence seems to have changed.

Of course, he flat-out lied when I tried to call him out on it.  I'm not that well-versed on this kind of stuff; I wouldn't have KNOWN he was talking about carbon-14 if he hadn't mentioned it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on February 10, 2018, 10:10:49 am
I'm definitely submitting this exchange to FSTDT right away.  Apparently, same-sex marriage = tofu turkey and grape popsicles.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/bermuda_becomes_first_country_in_the_world_to_repeal_same_sex_marriage/#comment-3751761325 (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/bermuda_becomes_first_country_in_the_world_to_repeal_same_sex_marriage/#comment-3751761325)

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on February 10, 2018, 10:15:54 am
Lady Checkmate posted some drippy thank you message on her Faith & Religion board today, and interestingly she thanked her little gang of sycophants by name.  Some very interesting names in the list, mostly Christian News Network people (which she was never involved with prior to the last six months or so) and even dirtbags like WorldGoneCrazy.

But I'll let you read her words for yourself:

"[Robin Egg], I just met you recently, but you are a beautiful addition to our community...a lady who loves God, loves others and always shares wisdom and laughter with those around her. I thank you for standing as "watchman" as well, especially when I'm not here and also on Christian News Network with Amos, LadyInChrist, Doug, Nidalap, WorldGoneCrazy, Guest, GraceKimKwon and the others there who suffer great persecution to share Jesus Christ with the lost. You all have blessed and encouraged me in so many ways...only Father knows how much."

Seriously, GraceKimKwon?  She's still around?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on February 10, 2018, 10:46:26 am
I'm definitely submitting this exchange to FSTDT right away.  Apparently, same-sex marriage = tofu turkey and grape popsicles.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/bermuda_becomes_first_country_in_the_world_to_repeal_same_sex_marriage/#comment-3751761325 (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/bermuda_becomes_first_country_in_the_world_to_repeal_same_sex_marriage/#comment-3751761325)

And this from LadyInChrist, because I dared to respond to something she said in the thread:

Quote
Did your master BobRumba send you to me to give me a hard time on a Christian site. When I did not make this comment to you? Tell your master I'm not playing your games of hate. Other then that, I am still praying.

 ::)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on February 10, 2018, 10:57:02 am
It's funny how this whole thing has gotten turned into two "teams", there is "Team Checkmate" and "Team Rumba".

What can I say except, GO TEAM RUMBA!  We are GOD'S TEAM!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 05, 2018, 07:41:48 pm
Wow, no one's posted here in almost a month?  I was kinda semi-scarce online for a little while myself, since the WiFi where I live is down until, uh....who the hell knows when.  But I got a new phone last week, so that's covered.  Some of you might have already seen it, but I've been going back and forth the past few days with one of our "old friends", Guest verified, about evolution...though now that I think about it, I'm not even sure how we got on that topic, since it was the thread from the story about the Satanic Temple filing suit for not being allowed to deliver an invocation.  Anyway, according to him, ALL scientists (or "evolutionists") say that either evolution cannot be proven or that it has not been yet but might be in the future.  I'm trying to explain to him that science doesn't really deal with "proof", but I'm just not getting through to him at all on that one.  I even asked him for a quote from a scientist saying something like that, and what he gave me was a quote-mine job, where some scientist was disputing some things about natural selection, but not actually disputing evolution in the least.  These guys should really pay attention to talkorigins, they got a whole list of those, the Quote Mine Project I think it's called.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 06, 2018, 12:01:52 pm
According to Guest verified, "biblical faith" is evidence, and Christian/creationist scientists "use the Bible to do their science".  I'm still trying how either of those make any sense.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 08, 2018, 09:20:14 am
You have your work cut out dealing with Guest Verified.  He has a magical skill like Amos of not being banned over there but he's one I would love to see get banned.  He's also one of Lady Checkmate's pets.  I would put him in the category of game player.  He isn't so much interested in defending his own position as attacking yours.  He also will accuse you of being someone's sock account (and usually be wrong about it).  I've been following your exchange with him and you're doing very well at staying on topic, because he loves to change the subject.  I've been getting into it with him a little bit myself, he doesn't believe in evolution and he's one of those people who thinks that atheists actually DO believe in God but are angry at Him.  He's currently trying to get me to believe that he has proof of God's existence, but it really just boils down to "He has made his existence known to me" and nothing more than that.  He's a moron, but watch because he's a game-playing moron.  He will taunt and challenge you.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 08, 2018, 10:49:49 am
I guess, according to him, I need a degree in science to discuss what is high-school level stuff at best.  Oh, and he has one of those, but won't even tell me what field it is in (something that I think is pretty relevant to the discussion, if he's going to use it as something to support his own credibility) because it's "too personal, and he's been stalked before".  Somehow I have a hard time believing that's the reason he won't say it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 08, 2018, 11:51:53 am
He believes in talking snakes and donkeys.  This isn't a science-minded person.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 08, 2018, 09:03:53 pm
Sally Edwards:  The sun cannot have been created after there was light on the earth.

Guest verified:  There are light sources other than the sun, you know (like the moon, the stars)



*facepalm*

Hey, Mr. Science Degree, the moon is not a light source, dumbass!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 08, 2018, 10:50:02 pm
Sally Edwards:  The sun cannot have been created after there was light on the earth.

Guest verified:  There are light sources other than the sun, you know (like the moon, the stars)



*facepalm*

Hey, Mr. Science Degree, the moon is not a light source, dumbass!

And light from the stars would take years to reach the Earth. Not to mention, according to Genesis, God created the Moon and the stars at the same time he created the Sun. So not only does he not know basic astronomy, he doesn't know his own holy book.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on March 08, 2018, 10:59:25 pm
Perhaps Guest Verified is a pseudonym for Dr. Science
Dr. Science, :”I know more than you do! I have a masters degree in science.”
www.drscience.com
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 09, 2018, 01:48:54 pm
He's now been told by two people that the moon is not a light source. 
Crickets.

His cute little smiley face he writes immediately after dishing out a childish insult makes me want to smash his face in.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 12, 2018, 07:53:14 am
Guest verified continues to amaze me....

"Actually, I've proven irrefutably that evolutionists themselves admit evolution hasn't been proven."

I guess the criteria for "irrefutable proof" is that he thinks it is.  No matter that he completely failed to convince me of that, since I was able to figure out pretty quickly that the only two examples he gave me of such a thing were quote-mines.  Kinda like earlier in the conversation when he said, about some point that he'd been arguing, "we've already established that".....no, WE didn't establish a damn thing, you just think you did.

Oh, now I found it, he said "we've already established that there is no proof of evolution".  Which of course, brings up the fact that science doesn't "prove" a damn thing.  But, no, he continues to go on about "proof" of this and that.  Apparently, in the course of getting that science degree of his, the fundamental nature of how science works was never covered.  Since he also thinks that science consists of starting with assumptions and conclusions....at least that's what I assume he meant when he was talking about Christian scientists who "did their science from the Bible" or however he put it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 12, 2018, 08:55:26 pm
Guest verified continues to amaze me....

"Actually, I've proven irrefutably that evolutionists themselves admit evolution hasn't been proven."

I am 99% sure now he says things like that to try to goad people into losing their temper so that they get banned.  I have seen him succeed.  Keep your cool as much as you can with this guy, he's looking for a reaction.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 13, 2018, 04:26:13 pm
I am 99% sure now he says things like that to try to goad people into losing their temper so that they get banned.  I have seen him succeed.  Keep your cool as much as you can with this guy, he's looking for a reaction.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think you're right.  Like you said about how he throws that smug little smiley-face in there.  And how I've asked him point-blank questions about a few things he said and he never answered them at all.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 13, 2018, 08:15:54 pm
Hm, it might be fun to ask him point blank about the smug smiley face, and to ask if he’s trolling.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 14, 2018, 07:49:39 am
And there was a whole other conversation in that thread that I just saw this morning, where someone was talking about how the Bible says stars will fall to earth, and they said that would result in the Earth being destroyed....and his response to that was something along the lines of "scientists don't know how big stars are and they'll even admit that". 

I guess that's his standard argument against anything in science he doesn't like, he just claims its "not proven".....but the Bible is, because of scientists, and faith, I guess.  That's another thing, too, he said several times that he had proof of the existence of God, but he never did say just what that was.  Maybe I'll ask him about that, along with a few of the other things he never answered.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 14, 2018, 08:36:27 am
Someone challenged Guest verified to state if evolutionary biologists were just frauds if evolution is supposed to be a lie.
Guest verified responded by asking them to define what an evolutionary biologist did. 
The person provided four separate definitions.
Then GV told them that they had not provided an accurate description of an evolutionary biologist simply because they didn't include "common ancestor" in the description.  He was told that that is a key to evolution, but not necessary for a job description, and then GV proceeded to tell the person that they clearly don't know what an evolutionary biologist is, even though they'd provided four separate definitions from them.
So, to sum up:  GV dodged the question, turned the challenge around, introduced a red herring, and mocked his opponent. And never ended up answering the question.
That's what he always does.  He's a shyster and game-player, thoroughly dishonest, smug and probably not interested in debate or discussion.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on March 14, 2018, 07:25:04 pm
And there was a whole other conversation in that thread

Well, Christian News Network just started a new article about the U.S. Navy to deny secular humanist to server as chaplain.

It seems like many members of Congress (20 Senators and 40 House) disagree with Guest Verified.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 14, 2018, 08:58:39 pm
It seems like many members of Congress (20 Senators and 40 House) disagree with Guest Verified.

Yeah, but try telling him that.  He’ll tell you the members of Congress agree with him.  Black is white in his world.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 14, 2018, 09:20:10 pm
Now I'm just waiting for all the people who keep telling me atheism is a religion to show up and say there shouldn't be an atheist chaplain because it's not a religion.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 14, 2018, 10:34:32 pm
Oh boy.....I just had to go and read through some Christian News Network comments again, didn't I?

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/appeals_court_rules_funeral_home_illegally_fired_male_director_who_wanted_to_dress_as_woman_christia/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/appeals_court_rules_funeral_home_illegally_fired_male_director_who_wanted_to_dress_as_woman_christia/)

A lot of comments raised my ire there, but especially the ones by another person we've had some run-ins with, Skywatcher57.

He basically said LGBT people should expect to be attacked if they're in public, especially if, like the person in the story, they work at the funeral home, and dare to step even slightly out of the closet.  And if he's not explicitly saying that's a good thing, he's certainly not showing any disapproval of it.

I bet he's probably as much of an Islamophobe as anyone, but he pretty much sounds like he wants a "Christian Taliban".

I wrote a pretty long response to him, I even saved it in a screenshot, because I got a feeling they might delete it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on March 14, 2018, 11:09:39 pm
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The instructor is Molly Worthhen, who teaches at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

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Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 14, 2018, 11:51:51 pm
Now I'm just waiting for all the people who keep telling me atheism is a religion to show up and say there shouldn't be an atheist chaplain because it's not a religion.

What is that legal case with the footnote Guest Verified keeps bringing up to "prove" that atheism is a religion?  He's done that before, and he keeps trying to make it stick.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 14, 2018, 11:54:38 pm
I wrote a pretty long response to him, I even saved it in a screenshot, because I got a feeling they might delete it.

That was a painful thread to read for sure.  I hope everyone who visits gives thumbs downs to all the deserving parties.  There are a few newcomers I like though, Mr. Chips is cool.

Yes, that thread's a candidate for mass deletions, which, if it takes Skywatcher's poison with it could only be a good thing.

Amos is being a colossal asshole and Lady Checkmate's there rewarding his stupidity with thumbs up as only she can.

Another observation:  Billy Pilgrim is the newest incarnation of Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz/Maxwell Edison, also known as Matthew T Mason, the worst Christian online.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 15, 2018, 08:25:25 am
Amos is being a colossal asshole and Lady Checkmate's there rewarding his stupidity with thumbs up as only she can.

In other news, bears shit in the woods and the Pope is Catholic.

Quote
Another observation:  Billy Pilgrim is the newest incarnation of Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz/Maxwell Edison, also known as Matthew T Mason, the worst Christian online.

Yeah, I figured that once I saw his "Troll, flagged" comments.  I just hope he doesn't think he's fooling anybody.

Now, Skywatcher57 is telling me his daughter is a lesbian.  Fuck, I feel sorry for her.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 15, 2018, 08:35:37 am
What is that legal case with the footnote Guest Verified keeps bringing up to "prove" that atheism is a religion?  He's done that before, and he keeps trying to make it stick.

The footnote is from Torcaso vs. Watkins, and it was quoted in Kaufman v. McCaughtry, which itself said "Atheism is Kaufman's religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being."  And quite a few fundies jumped all over that one, as if they're saying "see?  I told you so!"  Of course, they're probably a lot of the same ones who were saying the Supreme Court ruling in Obergefell doesn't mean anything, and probably the same ones who will say something like the Satanic Temple isn't a religion because they aren't theistic.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 15, 2018, 09:23:39 am
The footnote is from Torcaso vs. Watkins, and it was quoted in Kaufman v. McCaughtry, which itself said "Atheism is Kaufman's religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being."

That footnote IS problematic, whoever the author of that quote about "Kaufman's religion" is should have been told to re-phrase it.  The fact that it snuck through that way is what is giving fundies a field day.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 15, 2018, 09:28:23 am
In other news, bears shit in the woods and the Pope is Catholic.

I was just giving the play-by-play.

Yeah, I figured that once I saw his "Troll, flagged" comments.  I just hope he doesn't think he's fooling anybody.

Now, Skywatcher57 is telling me his daughter is a lesbian.  Fuck, I feel sorry for her.

I think calling Matthew out every time will make him mad.  If you want to do more than make him mad, tell him plainly that his abusive comments are against the rules and they will eventually ban him.  You might just have to put up with his smirking "Do you need a tissue?" type comments, which personally make me want to shoot him in the face with a bazooka.

I saw Skywatcher57's lesbian comment.  He was also molested by a "homo" for years too.  I call bullshit.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 15, 2018, 06:13:40 pm
I saw Skywatcher57's lesbian comment.  He was also molested by a "homo" for years too.  I call bullshit.

Yeah,  the "lesbian daughter" thing did sound to me a little like his version of "I'm not racist because some of my best friends are black"...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 15, 2018, 06:30:06 pm
Wikipedia echoes my sentiments apparently:

“It has occasionally been argued that in Torcaso v. Watkins the Supreme Court "found" secular humanism to be a religion. This assertion is based on a reference, by Justice Black in footnote number 11 of the Court's finding, to court cases where organized groups of self-identified humanists, or ethicists, meeting on a regular basis to share and celebrate their beliefs, have been granted religious-based tax exemptions.[4][citation needed]

Justice Black's use of the term "secular humanism" in his footnote has been seized upon by some religious groups, such as those supporting causes such as teaching creationism in schools, as a "finding" that any secular or non-observable evolution-based activity is, in fact, religion.[5]”
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 17, 2018, 10:18:55 am
Speaking of Matthew T Mason, A.K.A. slidellman4life, Jason Todd, Jerome Horowitz, Maxwell Edison, and now Billy Pilgrim:

His Twitter feed shows a few new interesting things, including:

- David Hogg, school massacre survivor, is a "crisis actor"
- He still wants to tell us all about Jesus
- The militant homosexual agenda is targeting our children
- "conversion therapy" is a term invented and then discredited by the left, used to ban secular "therapy", intimidate churches, and shut down ministries
- he is a fan of Ruth Buzzi (?????????)
- he is boycotting Dick's Sporting Goods
- He STILL wants to tell us all about Jesus
- "Call Me By Your Name" is a homosexual/pedophile romantic drama
- Assorted transgender bashing
- Worst of all:  He defends this utterly disgusting children's book.  Synopsis (if you can stand to read this):  Alfie is a young boy whose pedophile uncle moves in, molests  him and "turns him gay".  Alfie sees a counselor, who tells him he's just confused, and suddenly he's not gay anymore. So it blurs the lines of homosexuals and pedophiles and affirms conversion therapy all at the same time.
http://www.gaire.com/e/f/view.asp?parent=1382263 (http://www.gaire.com/e/f/view.asp?parent=1382263)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on March 18, 2018, 12:29:41 am
I don’t know why he wants to tell us about Jesus so badly. Jesus thinks he’s an asshole. He told me. :)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 18, 2018, 01:47:32 am
I don’t know why he wants to tell us about Jesus so badly. Jesus thinks he’s an asshole. He told me. :)

It's funny because every other tweet is about how he wants to tell us about Jesus and the amazing things he's done for his life, and then there are other self-pitying tweets where he whines about how miserable his life is.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on March 18, 2018, 01:39:07 pm
It's funny because every other tweet is about how he wants to tell us about Jesus and the amazing things he's done for his life, and then there are other self-pitying tweets where he whines about how miserable his life is.

Yeah, if having Jesus in my life is going to turn me into a bile-spitting ball of hate-fueled anger who lashes out at everyone who comes near me, I think I’ll pass. Matt isn’t exactly a great advertisement for why Jesus is so great.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 18, 2018, 01:47:27 pm
Oh God, he's at his absolute worst and angering EVERYONE right now on this thread:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/atheist_activist_group_wants_to_stop_pastor_from_offering_lunchtime_bible_study_at_school/#comment-3812006955

The blithering chowderhead never seems to learn his lesson that Christian News Network doesn't allow name calling.  Count the number of times he calls someone an idiot.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 18, 2018, 05:27:05 pm
I'm going around and flagging every one of his comments now.  Normally, I woudn't even bother, but since he constantly tells everyone how he's flagging their posts, it's only fitting.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 19, 2018, 09:38:28 am
I have that add-on for Firefox that lets you see how many downvotes your comments get on Disqus...it seems like every one of my comments gets exactly one downvote.  Like it could be a completely innocuous comment, like I could say that it's a nice day outside or something, and someone will downvote it.  Kinda makes me think it's one particular person doing that just because they don't like me.  Oh well, I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it, anyway.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 19, 2018, 11:35:34 am
Hmm, I say, hmmm.

On the subject of downvoting, my best advice is:  what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

It is, after all, the ONLY existing way I know currently of showing Lady Checkmate that you disagree with her, hate her guts, and that she’s full of shit, which SHE CANNOT CENSOR.  Of course, it has to be a completely anonymous account which she can’t see in anyway otherwise she bans you and then you can’t downvote.  But I know she hates those downvotes with a passion and privately seethes with anger that she can’t do anything about them.  Which makes them great fun.

Likewise, it’s therapeutic to downvote Amos when he’s said something incoherent or Guest Verified when he’s trying to goad you into saying something angry with a smirking insult.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 22, 2018, 04:30:59 pm
Fuck, I've just about had it with Guest.  I said something about Reason2012 copy-and-pasting stuff (since he says the same damn thing all the time about how atheists and LGBT people are all really Muslims), and then Guest jumps on that, first saying he "caught me" cut-and-pasting things.  First of all, I didn't.  Second, he didn't "catch" a damn thing.  All he did was accuse me of it a few times, with nothing to back it up.  Then I was talking to him about that, and said the closest I actually came to that was paraphrasing a few lines from a Wikipedia article.  Now he's going around saying I admitted to what he accused me of.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 22, 2018, 08:26:36 pm
Yep, that's his game.  The point is he knows he hasn't caught you at anything but wants to anger you.  He taunts with his little smileys after each insult.  He's unbearable.  I can see Christian News Network not banning Amos because he's too stupid to know which way is up but this guy is a major game player and troll and he should have been gone ages ago.  I think we should all start reporting him when he crosses any reasonable line.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 23, 2018, 08:42:15 am
I was just going to make a comment to LadyInChrist, something in response to her (just like Lady Checkmate) accusing people of being sock puppets.  But then I thought, oh what's the damn point, all she's going to do is tell me she's praying for me.  Or is it praying at me....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 23, 2018, 11:36:33 pm
She has "praying for Bob Rumba" right in her profile quote!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 24, 2018, 08:24:29 am
This story on Christian News Network really annoys me for some reason....

http://christiannews.net/2018/03/19/fire-destroys-south-carolina-home-but-bible-remains-intact-among-rubble/ (http://christiannews.net/2018/03/19/fire-destroys-south-carolina-home-but-bible-remains-intact-among-rubble/)

This is supposed to be some sort of "miracle" or something, I guess.  This couple's home, along with their two dogs (one of which was a service dog for their autistic son, by the way) was destroyed in a fire, but they found that just about the only thing that emerged unscathed was their Bible.  I just think it would have been a much more impressive miracle if the dogs made it out, or the home wasn't completely destroyed, or something like that....not like it's a hard thing to get a new Bible, you know? 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 24, 2018, 09:07:45 am
Reminds me of that old meme...

https://goo.gl/images/9iBtLQ
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 24, 2018, 09:41:38 am
Reminds me of that old meme...

https://goo.gl/images/9iBtLQ

Yeah, exactly.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 26, 2018, 08:09:08 pm
Just when I think my conversations with Guest couldn't possibly get any worse....

We got on the subject of the bakeries in CO and OR, you know, the ones that wouldn't bake the "gay wedding cakes"...and according to him, that's part of Christians being "treated the same way the Jews were treated at the start of Nazi Germany."

Is this guy fucking kidding me with this shit???
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 26, 2018, 08:18:46 pm
Forbidding businesses from discriminating is pretty much antithetical to Nazism.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 27, 2018, 11:41:14 am
He’s over the top with everything else and loves conspiracy theories, so no surprise he should get Godwinesque on us.

He even accused someone of being “Peewee” the other day, so he clearly drinks the Lady Checkmate Kool Aid.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 28, 2018, 08:23:15 am
He’s over the top with everything else and loves conspiracy theories, so no surprise he should get Godwinesque on us.

He even accused someone of being “Peewee” the other day, so he clearly drinks the Lady Checkmate Kool Aid.

He actually used the word "gaystapo".... ::)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 28, 2018, 09:29:23 am
He’s over the top with everything else and loves conspiracy theories, so no surprise he should get Godwinesque on us.

He even accused someone of being “Peewee” the other day, so he clearly drinks the Lady Checkmate Kool Aid.

He actually used the word "gaystapo".... ::)

Does he cite The Pink Swastika?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 28, 2018, 04:56:38 pm
Does he cite The Pink Swastika?

Yes he does!  And also Hidden Hitler.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 29, 2018, 08:17:25 am
Well, according to Amos, "Christian heavy metal" is an oxymoron.  I'm still waiting for an explanation on that one, oughta be good.

Maybe there was an 11th commandment I didn't know about..."thou shalt not be metal"
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 29, 2018, 04:02:19 pm
I just saw that.  Don't let him off the hook about how he is not using the word "oxymoron" properly.  You will get "noped" by him but the point will be reinforced that he doesn't know how to use the English language like the rest of us.

I've been down this particular rabbit hole with him before.  It basically translates to if I don't like it then it cannot exist.  Then you point out examples that do exist and it devolves into No True Scotsman, which he will then tell you doesn't apply to Christians.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 30, 2018, 08:24:07 am
So I guess he thinks all commercial music is non-Christian because it's "of the world" or something. 

Oh, and I made the mistake of saying this was the way he FELT.  Big mistake to him, because it's not the way he FEELS, it's way it IS.  You know, because when he feels some way, it's how it IS, but when someone else feels a different way, it's "feeeeeelings"....gimme a fucking break.

And I think he's using the word oxymoron right, it's just that what he thinks is an oxymoron is really not.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 30, 2018, 11:59:43 am
He is now getting into ultra-wacko territory because he’s now trying to make the case that even INSTRUMENTAL music is evil and perverted and “of the world”.  He’s just a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on March 30, 2018, 04:38:40 pm
Guest Verified is on there now calling some other poor sap “Peewee”.  Doesn’t he care what an asshole he’s making himself out to be every time he guesses wrong?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on March 30, 2018, 08:34:09 pm
He is now getting into ultra-wacko territory because he’s now trying to make the case that even INSTRUMENTAL music is evil and perverted and “of the world”.  He’s just a complete idiot.

Yeah, I just gave him my two cents about that whole thing.  I don't know, maybe he thinks it can summon up demons or something.

I remember when I was a kid, I think it was an oldies radio station, used to play this clip of some guy going on about the "evils of rock n roll" or something like that and the one line I remember was at the end of it, where he says in a really loud voice "it's not the lyrics, IT'S THE BEAT!!"  I'm beginning to think that guy might have been Amos....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on April 11, 2018, 04:10:53 pm
I guess Amos gets to insult me, but I don't get to return the favor (as a number of my comments just got deleted)...

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 11, 2018, 07:50:52 pm
I guess Amos gets to insult me, but I don't get to return the favor (as a number of my comments just got deleted)...
Tread carefully.  That means you're getting close to ban-dom.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 16, 2018, 04:33:07 pm
In case anyone's wondered what Matthew Mason, aka Maxwell Edison, aka Jerome Horowitz, aka Jason Todd, aka slidellman4life has been up to lately:

(https://s9.postimg.cc/wh5mo4d1r/davidhogg.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on April 22, 2018, 11:48:53 pm
Can someone tell me now to get in touch with PeeWee?

Guest Verified has been telling TheKingOfRyhe that good money can be made trolling Christian websites. I could use a few extra bucks. Is this cash under the table or do I need to declare the income?

https://christiannews.net/2018/04/09/ohio-pastor-no-longer-allowed-to-offer-lunchtime-bible-study-at-school-following-complaint/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on April 23, 2018, 07:43:59 am
He said to me "You do know the forum where they discuss being activists is public, don't you?"  'They' meaning the 'gay activists'.

I wonder if he is talking about fstdt.  And yeah, I wanna know who's paying people for stuff I'm already doing for free, too.

The whole idea makes less and less sense the more I think about...why would anyone NEED to pay 'gay activists' to disrupt some place like Christian News Network, anyway?  They give people enough reason to want to do that.

Anyway, before, I just thought Guest was extremely annoying....now, I'm beginning to think he's FUCKING NUTS.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on April 23, 2018, 12:17:52 pm
....now, I'm beginning to think he's FUCKING NUTS.

No! No1 It is the gay activists that like FUCKING NUTS.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on April 23, 2018, 03:46:05 pm
....now, I'm beginning to think he's FUCKING NUTS.

No! No1 It is the gay activists that like FUCKING NUTS.

Well, then, he's a fucking asshole.....wait a minute, that ain't gonna work, either.   ;D
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 23, 2018, 04:43:15 pm

Whether or not he believes the shit he spouts, it’s all a game to him. His goal is to be a troll par excellence and to be smug and deliberately grandiose about it because he knows it’s Christian News Network and he doesn’t stand much chance of being banned there.  Much like Amos.

And so if you press him on his ludicrous statements he will eventually just change the subject and accuse you of being a sock account.  He is just guessing, he has no way of knowing.  What people should be doing is saying who cares if I’m a sock, that’s all you’ve got, it’s a guess anyway, and you are just changing the subject because you are getting your ass handed to you.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on April 23, 2018, 07:36:05 pm
I have this weird, kinky sexual fantasy where someone on CNN actually debates a topic by addressing the points being made and supports their position with evidence-based logic, instead of ad hominem attacks, changing the subject or Gish galloping.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 23, 2018, 10:17:29 pm
Glad to see you’re still in the picture, AC.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 24, 2018, 09:00:02 am
Check out this TOTALLY BIZARRE post from Lady Checkmate.  I think she's seriously coming unglued.

The story is about Donald Trump, and in response to a poster's question "Was the DHS secretary really unsure of donald's feelings towards the caravan? what was the point of reiterating?", she responded with this:

"The alt-left likes to don masks, hate, force their beliefs on others and walk-through warnings. They foolishly believe if they show up (even after being asked and ultimately warned not to show up) and act the fool, they'll get their way or make a strong political statement. They usually fail at both, miserably. But, they have no dignity nor shame so they continue to ignore respectful requests (that escalate to warnings), they continue to physically attack, UNTIL others defend themselves and beat the hell out of them and then those cry-bullies, just cry like the weaklings they are."

Seriously, what does that have to do with Donald Trump or a caravan of immigrants?  She sounds like she's attacking the people who are trolling her on her channel.  "Respectful requests"?  What?  What???

The cheese has slipped off this woman's cracker.  I hope the main site comes back up soon because I'd LOVE to submit this one.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-newsnetwork/trump_says_he_has_instructed_dhs_secretary_nielsen_not_to_let_caravans_into_us_it_is_a_disgrace/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on April 24, 2018, 09:26:39 am
Two comments on that thread I would respond to (if I wasn't already banned, that is!):

Quote
I must add also why do dimdems think illegal aliens have citizen rights here in the U.S. lol if you're not a legal citizen you should have no rights go back to your country if ya want citizens rights.

Quote
Good. They have no rights here anyway.

The first one is kinda half right, illegals don't have ALL the rights of citizens, but the second one is just flat-out WRONG.  For people who probably go on and on about the Constitution, they don't sound like they actually READ the damn thing.  Like the 14th Amendment, for one:  "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I bet if I wasn't already banned, I'd get banned for pointing that out.  Even though I'd be just pointing out facts.  But, of course, the 14th is probably these guys' least favorite amendment.  Half of them if not more would probably like to have it repealed, so they could get away with discrimination.

I guess Trump and these people don't believe in the whole "Give me your tired, your poor" thing...

Also, Trump's tweet about the issue makes no sense.

Quote
Despite the Democrat inspired laws on Sanctuary Cities and the Border being so bad and one sided, I have instructed the Secretary of Homeland Security not to let these large Caravans of people into our Country.

Either "despite" should be "because of", or "being so bad and one sided" should be removed, or it should have been "that are so bad..."

But, ya know, this is Mr. Covfefe here, so what should I expect?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 24, 2018, 09:38:27 am
I bet if I wasn't already banned, I'd get banned for pointing that out. 

She runs an airtight ship, painstakingly squeezed dry of dissenting voices.  It's more like a lunatic zoo, we can see all the lunatics inside and hear what they are saying, but we can't interact with any of them.  "Echo chamber" doesn't BEGIN to describe Lady Checkmate's channels.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on April 27, 2018, 04:18:13 pm
Slow news day for Christian News Network. Heather Clark just posted an almost word for word copy of a three year old article she first published on April 3, 2015.  Memories Pizza was closed back then so announcing it is now closed is a real “fake news” event. Heather also declined to mention that the pizzeria raised over $840,000 with a GoFundMe campaign.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 27, 2018, 04:26:42 pm
And of course Amos is in there like a dirty shirt flapping his gums about "homomirage" even though the story states clearly that it is unknown why the place closed.  His head is a very dark and empty place.

Does anyone know anything about Heather Clark, or Garrett Haley?

I know the site was started by Michael Marcavage.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on April 28, 2018, 08:35:02 am
2 of my comments on Christian News Network were just removed (the ones I made on that story about the "Free Speech Zone" signs)...."detected as spam."  WTF?  I don't even know how, if it is possible, to contact them about that, tell 'em "hey, this ain't spam, assholes"

Hmm, but wait a minute....now I notice that it says "Thanks, we'll work on getting this corrected" when I pull them up in my past comments.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 28, 2018, 09:53:18 am
Hmm, but wait a minute....now I notice that it says "Thanks, we'll work on getting this corrected" when I pull them up in my past comments.

I have had that before, and they never do fix it. They don’t care.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on April 28, 2018, 12:43:04 pm
Jon Wooten didn't last long
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 28, 2018, 12:52:43 pm
Amos has gold status over there or something. He gets away with the worst behaviour and anyone who goes up against him gets banned.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on April 29, 2018, 05:14:56 pm
I hope the main site gets back up soon because I can't contain all the craziness I'm encountering.  Let me share a couple here.

Firstly, since some of you have gotten addicted, here's a new Mick Williams cartoon:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/todays_laugh_4_29_18/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/todays_laugh_4_29_18/)

Secondly, this was posted on Lady Checkmate's Faith and Religion page, one of the only times I've seen someone other than Lady Checkmate or Mick post something that was allowed to remain there.  Fortunately, it's great.  Sample:  "We have Artificial Intelligence (AI) all over the place. Will we also be looking at all of the AI being possessed by Demons during the Tribulation? If so, then all of the robots being infused with AI can also be demonically possessed."

Demon-possessed robot discussion here:
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/todays_laugh_4_29_18/]https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/technology_and_possession/]https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/todays_laugh_4_29_18/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/technology_and_possession/)

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on April 30, 2018, 08:33:36 am
Artificially-intelligent demon-possessed Satanic robots.  These people are actually seriously considering that to be a possibility.  Holy shit.  (or maybe that should be "UNholy shit"...)

Also, what gene4781 said:  "we are doubling the world's knowledge every two years."   First of all, he considers that to be a BAD thing.  And also, I want a citation for that.  Where did get that information?  (which is knowledge itself - uh oh!)  How exactly do you quantify "the world's knowledge"?

And I like the exchange where the one guy was basically saying "don't worry, kids have been beating AIs for years" and he comes back with "Update. AI's are now beating World Chess Champions"  Hmm....maybe someone should tell him that's been going on for 20 years actually??  ("Deep Blue" beat Kasparov in '97...and I just read how a chess program running on a smartphone won a tournament against strong human players in 2009)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 30, 2018, 10:14:23 am
He's confusing Artificial Limited Intelligences (purpose-built for specific tasks) with Artificial General Intelligences (capable of human-level reasoning and flexibility).  Even things like NEAT-based neural networks that are capable of very complicated behaviours are still only ever built for a singular purpose.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on April 30, 2018, 03:50:02 pm
Also, what gene4781 said:  "we are doubling the world's knowledge every two years."   
Where did get that information?

Google "doubling the world's knowledge"
http://www.industrytap.com/knowledge-doubling-every-12-months-soon-to-be-every-12-hours/395

It does have some profound implications for education.

Also, Saturday night I watched the 1927 movie "Wings". Reflect on the technology and knowledge behind it in the last 90 years for aviation, automobiles, and cinematography,

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on April 30, 2018, 07:54:33 pm
I guess the worst part for me is that someone would consider a vast increase in knowledge to be a BAD THING.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 01, 2018, 10:43:05 am
I guess the worst part for me is that someone would consider a vast increase in knowledge to be a BAD THING.

Well, yes, that's Satan trying to confuse you.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 01, 2018, 01:53:45 pm
I guess the worst part for me is that someone would consider a vast increase in knowledge to be a BAD THING.

Well, yes, that's Satan trying to confuse you.

“Ignorance is bliss and today, America, you are a happy country.”
- Dr. Science

P.S. do check out his impending appointment to The Trump Cabinet.
http://drscience.com/wordpress/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 02, 2018, 10:07:49 pm
Since FSTDT is down and this was too good to not share
comes from: https://christiannews.net/2018/04/21/navy-upholds-inclusion-of-bible-on-powmia-table-following-mikey-weinstein-complaint/

TheKingOfRhye comment concerned the Big Bang Theory.

Chet’s response:
No blood bought Holy Bible believing Christian or practicing Jew who knows his heritage and fears God Almighty subscribes to any such nonsense. You may fool others but not me, Sir... People of "other theistic faiths" already believe the lie, thus, I'm not surprised they'd fall for this particular trick of the Devil. Then again, those who deny God and His Christ have made a god out of themselves as the final all knowing authority regarding things spiritual.
Remember, King, if the big bang theory is correct you're in good shape and I'm none the worse as we'll both amount to the same thing, nigh unto roadkill. We'll be as some ol' bloated possum or coon lying alongside the shoulder waiting to pop, stinking to high Heaven. And in no time our memory upon the Earth will be forgotten as a bad meal.
Then again, if the Word of God is true (of which I gladly stake my eternity) I get to go to Heaven upon death's taking me over, all thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on my behalf on the Cross of Calvary in concert with His empty tomb. But for those who reject God's free offer of mercy and grace via His Christ, well, the eternal outlook is beyond bleak and beyond description in the awful place identified as Hell. Can you now be assured of your own eternal fate as I am of mine?




PS Thanks King - I cut and pasted a response to Chet that I made 8 months ago. TheKingOfRhye upvoted the comment back then and again today.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 02, 2018, 10:13:24 pm
Slow news day for Christian News Network. ..

https://christiannews.net/2018/05/01/coroner-highlights-failure-and-complacency-at-abortion-facility-after-woman-died/
Another slow day? This time "Editor" is posting a story from January 2012.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 02, 2018, 11:04:45 pm
Slow news day for Christian News Network. ..

https://christiannews.net/2018/05/01/coroner-highlights-failure-and-complacency-at-abortion-facility-after-woman-died/
Another slow day? This time "Editor" is posting a story from January 2012.

Have you ever wondered if these people, Heather Clark and Garrett Haley, really exist?  It's usually Heather's name you see in place of "Editor".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 03, 2018, 08:20:21 am
PS Thanks King - I cut and pasted a response to Chet that I made 8 months ago. TheKingOfRhye upvoted the comment back then and again today.

LOL, I had no idea it was a copy-and-paste.  I think I could probably do the same thing myself, since it seems like I end up saying the same things, even to some of the same people, over and over there, just maybe putting it in a different way from time to time.

Chet seems to think the only choices are Christianity and the big bang theory.  Well, those two and Judaism, I guess, since he always brings up something about the "believing Jews" or whatever.  Also, I hope he's not one of those guys who talks about how we're a "nation of Christians" or a "Christian nation", since in that comment, he basically said that quite a lot of the people who call themselves Christians aren't really Christians.

And in that same thread, I started up another conversation with Amos.  I think the only thing that that accomplished was reinforcing my belief that he does not know what the fuck he is talking about.  Especially when it comes to science, or the concept of burden of proof.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 03, 2018, 09:30:13 am
Well, since this has become a dumping ground for things we can't post while the main site is down, here are two:

1) LADY CHECKMATE AND MICK WILLIAMS DISAGREEING
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/national_day_of_prayer_christians_pray_always/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/national_day_of_prayer_christians_pray_always/)

MICK WILLIAMS:
In regards to black conservatives, the looney fringe is really after Kanye West because of his support for Trump. There's nothing democrats fear more than the idea their brainwashed base is starting to wake up to reality.

LADY CHECKMATE:
While I'm pleased that more AAs are supporting conservative ideas (and Trump), Kanye West has lost his mind, literally, he canceled his last tour due to mental health issues. He's made several asinine statements, one of which being, (the man actually said),"Slavery was a choice". Slavery was NOT a choice, just like the holocaust was NOT a choice. Kanye is no hero to me AND he's definitely not someone I admire nor respect. STILL, AA conservatives exist and the alt-left hates us, not that we care what they think, lol.


2) PULSE SHOOTING SURVIVOR FINDS JESUS AND IS NO LONGER GAY THEREFORE BEING GAY IS A CHOICE
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/praise_report_pulse_shooting_survivor_says_hes_no_longer_gay_after_religious_conversion/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/praise_report_pulse_shooting_survivor_says_hes_no_longer_gay_after_religious_conversion/)

LADY CHECKMATE:
Clearly homosexuality is a choice as many have CHOSEN to deny it. Praise God! Praying for Luis and others struggling with sin.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 03, 2018, 09:44:18 am
Interesting that she put it that way:  "many have chosen to DENY it."  People can DENY all sorts of things about themselves, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're not true.

Also, I still find it slightly odd how she refers to black people as "AAs."  I get it, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone else constantly abbreviate it like that.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 03, 2018, 09:52:15 am
Also, I still find it slightly odd how she refers to black people as "AAs."  I get it, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone else constantly abbreviate it like that.

It makes me giggle that some people walk around thinking Lady Checkmate is an alcoholic.  It WOULD explain a few things.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 04, 2018, 09:20:28 am
Amos is up to his usual nonsensical crap again.  I was trying to tell him theists have the burden of proof.  But, no, according to him, that's not the case, it's the other way around, because I'm an atheist, coming to a Christian site.  I thought it was people like HIM who accuse people like me of being "relativists" or whatever they call it, saying we don't believe in "absolute truth" and the like.

And earlier I came up with a quote from an astrophysicist about how science doesn't deal with proof...but I guess he knows more than that guy, since he's had a "20+ year medical career."  (I honestly hope it wasn't anything more than being a janitor at a hospital)  Also, I'm pretty sure Christian News Network doesn't allow profanity....yet he's saying over and over again that things I'm saying are "bovine excrement."  That could almost be called profanity, couldn't it?  We all know he means "bullshit."  For what it's worth, I flagged him every time he said it.  Though, I don't really think that's gonna accomplish much.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 04, 2018, 11:44:46 am
That drives me crazy about Amos, he keeps talking as though Christians (read: HIS brand of Christians, not those false ones) have this elite status where things like the No True Scotsman fallacy don't apply to them, where they were chosen by God, where they have these amazing powers to read people's minds and so on.

Is he now saying "bovine excrement"?  Usually he says "bovine scatology" which is grammatically wrong but probably gives him the initials he's looking for.

Amos's 20+ year medical career was probably emptying bed pans.

The ban hammer is strong over there lately.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: ironbite on May 04, 2018, 12:05:02 pm
I miss Rapture Ready.  Wonder whatever happened to those idiots.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 04, 2018, 12:21:27 pm
I miss Rapture Ready.  Wonder whatever happened to those idiots.

Oh, come join us at Christian News Network, it's GREAT fun.  Some of the most shamelessly idiotic fundies ever.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 04, 2018, 12:23:42 pm
Amos is up to his usual nonsensical crap again.

I archived this page because there ain't NO WAY the censors are going to let this guy (Rippie)'s posts sit there for very long, but he did a MASTERFUL job of making Amos look like a helpless blithering idiot.

http://archive.is/EH4s7 (http://archive.is/EH4s7)

Enjoy it.  And if it's still live, here's where to post:

https://christiannews.net/2018/04/21/navy-upholds-inclusion-of-bible-on-powmia-table-following-mikey-weinstein-complaint/#disqus_thread (https://christiannews.net/2018/04/21/navy-upholds-inclusion-of-bible-on-powmia-table-following-mikey-weinstein-complaint/#disqus_thread)

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 04, 2018, 02:21:36 pm
That drives me crazy about Amos, he keeps talking as though Christians (read: HIS brand of Christians, not those false ones) have this elite status where things like the No True Scotsman fallacy don't apply to them, where they were chosen by God, where they have these amazing powers to read people's minds and so on.

Is he now saying "bovine excrement"?  Usually he says "bovine scatology" which is grammatically wrong but probably gives him the initials he's looking for.

Amos's 20+ year medical career was probably emptying bed pans.

The ban hammer is strong over there lately.

No, he actually did say "scatology", you were right.  Maybe I just read it the way it would actually make sense.

Oh....but.....holy crap.  I just realized one of Amos's comments from the conversation we were having got deleted.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 04, 2018, 02:35:34 pm
Todays’s a good day actually.  Guest Verified is back and I shut him RIGHT down.  Called him out on all his games before he got a chance to play any of them.  I was pretty proud.  Managed to stay a step ahead of the censors too.  So I archived the fun.

archive.is/G6uQx (http://archive.is/G6uQx)

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 05, 2018, 12:08:55 pm
I miss Rapture Ready.  Wonder whatever happened to those idiots.

Just checked.  Their forum's still online and still reasonably active.  Guess they just mostly keep to themselves, nowadays.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 05, 2018, 12:18:30 pm
The bastards finally banned me.  I guess I did a pretty damned good job, lasting this long.  Why they did it NOW, I have no idea, since I really didn't say anything that was any worse than what I usually say.

I looked at their "comment guidelines" too, trying to figure out which ones they think I broke, I guess....I found a few of them interesting:

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3) You may not threaten, harass, slander, engage in name-calling, degrade or otherwise use abusive language toward another commenter or the staff of Christian News Network. (Colossians 4:6; Leviticus 19:18)

4) Refrain from having a contentious spirit. Articles are not to be a venue for engaging in lengthy debates, or to start arguments with multiple readers. In other words, you may not dominate any article by arguing with everyone who has a different viewpoint. (Titus 3:2; Proverbs 27:15)

5) Maintain a meek and humble spirit. If you disagree on a subject, be gentle in expressing your viewpoint. (Matthew 5:5; Philippians 2:3; Colossians 3:2; 1 Peter 3:8)

I can think of several regular commenters there who routinely violate all of those and never seem to get banned.  And #4....hello, it's an online forum.  What the fuck do you think is going to happen?  Even if they somehow managed to ban all non-Christians, the Christians still will argue amongst themselves.  I mean, we've seen plenty of "fundie fights"....

Well, anyway, I think anyone who frequents that site might see a similarly-themed user name popping up eventually.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 05, 2018, 12:43:30 pm
They'll never permanently ban me.  I'll leave their hate-hole when I decide to go, and that's that. 

I love how the regulars mock "sock accounts" - and Lady Checkmate is just as guilty of this too.  Well, stop the idiotic censorship and banning and maybe there will be less socks around?  Duh.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 07, 2018, 05:34:46 pm
I'm back, let's see how long it is before someone catches on, I guess.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 08, 2018, 12:55:19 am
I'm back, let's see how long it is before someone catches on, I guess.

I haven’t spotted you, so you are doing an excellent job of blending in so far.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 08, 2018, 07:46:49 am
It's another Queen-lyrics-inspired name I'm using, but probably not something that a lot of people will pick up on, unless they know that one song.  And, I've only commented on one story so far, anyway.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 09, 2018, 07:39:02 pm
It's another Queen-lyrics-inspired name

Let me guess, the next one will be AnotherOneBitsTheDust?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 14, 2018, 03:06:23 pm
I don't know why it always takes a new story about homosexuality on the Christian News Network to get the bigots foaming at the mouth.  They post a story there about some Pastor getting tortured in some backwater country in the middle of nowhere, no one even cares.  It might get two or three comments.  But mention Catholics or homosexuals or transgenders or even someone wanting to end their life free of pain, and watch all these hateful pigs descend on it like flies on shit.  It's so disgusting.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 14, 2018, 05:19:17 pm
It's another Queen-lyrics-inspired name

Let me guess, the next one will be AnotherOneBitsTheDust?

I dunno, that would kinda be too obvious.  I like to go for the more obscure ones.  I used the name "Larry Lurex" for a brief moment a while ago, I think it was just to see if I could post something on Lady Checkmate's channel.  That actually is a Queen reference but a REALLY obscure one.  It's the name that Freddie used when he put out two cover songs shortly before Queen's first album came out.  The full name on the record was "Larry Lurex and the Voles from Venus" (takeoffs on Gary Glitter and Bowie's Spiders From Mars)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 14, 2018, 05:33:36 pm
I don't know why it always takes a new story about homosexuality on the Christian News Network to get the bigots foaming at the mouth.  They post a story there about some Pastor getting tortured in some backwater country in the middle of nowhere, no one even cares.  It might get two or three comments.  But mention Catholics or homosexuals or transgenders or even someone wanting to end their life free of pain, and watch all these hateful pigs descend on it like flies on shit.  It's so disgusting.

Yep.  I saw that Ted. R Weiland guy, who's always reposts the thing about how the US isn't a "Biblical goverment" (but thinks it should be).  He basically said homosexuals are equivalent to murderers, kidnappers, and rapists. 

And Guest Verified, for that matter....he seriously tried to say if "You wouldn't know murder, kidnapping, and rape were wrong if God didn't show you that."
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 14, 2018, 05:40:22 pm
If you get the chance, tell Amos that he’s guilty of the No True Scotsman fallacy, and be sure to explain to him exactly what it is as though he hasn’t been told 500 times already.  So great to watch him lose his mind.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 14, 2018, 05:42:00 pm
I ain't gonna lie, though....it kinda feels good to be back to pissing these people off after a little while.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 14, 2018, 06:09:38 pm
It’s all they deserve.  They spread hate and fear and do it in the name of their God.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 14, 2018, 11:43:45 pm
I don't know why it always takes a new story about homosexuality on the Christian News Network to get the bigots foaming at the mouth.  They post a story there about some Pastor getting tortured in some backwater country in the middle of nowhere, no one even cares.  It might get two or three comments.  But mention Catholics or homosexuals or transgenders or even someone wanting to end their life free of pain, and watch all these hateful pigs descend on it like flies on shit.  It's so disgusting.

I think it is a case of "Don't Feed the Christians"

If you look at the numbers for various articles they are getting lower all the time. Take the Bill Nye article a month ago. only 14 comments. All the usuals, Amos, Oboehner, (Un) Reason2012, Lydia Church, LynnRH, all waved their Good Book of Pious Sayings, but nobody took the bait. The story died.

In many ways without the secular and moderate Christian responses, the website could well fall into the abyss.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 15, 2018, 12:09:22 am
According to Amos, it is hatred and bigotry to tell a homosexual that they can't change their sexuality.

I'm tired of him.  I might go on Amos strike, and just downvote his crap.  It's like arguing with a 5 year old, but stupider.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/23_major_league_baseball_teams_to_host_homosexual_pride_night_in_2018_christian_news_network/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/23_major_league_baseball_teams_to_host_homosexual_pride_night_in_2018_christian_news_network/)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 15, 2018, 09:11:48 am
At leasat you can change a 5 year-old's mind with a bag of Cheetos and a Dr. Pepper.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 15, 2018, 10:08:24 am
At leasat you can change a 5 year-old's mind with a bag of Cheetos and a Dr. Pepper.

This is a mind that has been welded shut.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 15, 2018, 08:14:41 pm
Here's a few Christian News Network stories from the past few days and how many replies they are sitting at:

New York AG Who Sued Pro-Life Christians for ‘Harassing’ Abortive Mothers Resigns Over Alleged Violence Against Women (2 comments)
Two Beijing House Churches Investigated  (1 comment)
Imprisoned in Iran’s Torture Factory, a Christian’s Health Spirals Downward  (1 comment)
U.S. Dept. of Justice Alters Obama-Era Policy Allowing Inmate Placement by Gender Identity (1 comment)
Alberta Family Services Reverses Rejection of Adoption Application Over Couple’s Beliefs About Sexuality  (7 comments)
New York Woman Accused of Attempting to Place Newborn Son in Trash  (2 comments)
23 Major League Baseball Teams to Host Homosexual ‘Pride Night’ in 2018  (249 comments)

So there you have it.  Give the Alberta story a bit of time to percolate, it contains the sexuality angle so people are bound to flock to it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 20, 2018, 05:57:30 pm
Christian News is getting nearly as fascistic as Lady Checkmate's channels.  They are banning a lot sooner and for no reason.

They never learn, sigh.  Time to turn the heat up on them.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 20, 2018, 06:05:12 pm
Christian News is getting nearly as fascistic as Lady Checkmate's channels.  They are banning a lot sooner and for no reason.

They never learn, sigh.  Time to turn the heat up on them.

I get drawn into a damn off-topic argument with Amos, in which he basically said anyone who doesn't believe in a god is insane (not in those exact words, but that's pretty much what he meant), and of course, I'm the one who gets banned.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 20, 2018, 06:35:01 pm
Here's a few Christian News Network stories from the past few days and how many replies they are sitting at:

New York AG Who Sued Pro-Life Christians for ‘Harassing’ Abortive Mothers Resigns Over Alleged Violence Against Women (2 comments)
Two Beijing House Churches Investigated  (1 comment)
Imprisoned in Iran’s Torture Factory, a Christian’s Health Spirals Downward  (1 comment)
U.S. Dept. of Justice Alters Obama-Era Policy Allowing Inmate Placement by Gender Identity (1 comment)
Alberta Family Services Reverses Rejection of Adoption Application Over Couple’s Beliefs About Sexuality  (7 comments)
New York Woman Accused of Attempting to Place Newborn Son in Trash  (2 comments)
23 Major League Baseball Teams to Host Homosexual ‘Pride Night’ in 2018  (249 comments)

So there you have it.  Give the Alberta story a bit of time to percolate, it contains the sexuality angle so people are bound to flock to it.

A story I just saw:

Wisconsin Man Accused of Sexual Abuse, Aborting Baby of Impregnated Middle Schooler Sentenced to 60 Years in Prison:  4 days ago - 7 comments

The MLB Pride Night story is up to 338 comments now, more BY FAR than any other recent story. 

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 21, 2018, 09:17:14 am
An LGBT Pride Night is a bigger concern among these people than abortion, apparently.  That really seems backwards to me.  They mostly think abortion is murder, right?  Shouldn't what they consider to be actual murder be a bigger deal?? 

Reminds me of that George Carlin bit:

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Now, speaking of consistency, Catholics, which I was until I reached the age of reason, Catholics and other Christians are against abortions, and they're against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals?! Leave these fucking people alone, for Christ sakes! Here is an entire class of people guaranteed never to have an abortion! And the Catholics and Christians are just tossing them aside! You'd think they'd make natural allies. Go look for consistency in religion.

PS.  Though, it just ain't the same reading it as it is listening to it in one of his standup routines...maybe an underrated thing about him, he had a great delivery or timing or whatever you wanna call it.  Look up his "Modern Man" routine for a hell of an example.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 21, 2018, 10:15:58 am
Speak of the Catholics, the Pope said something intelligent and progressive about homosexuals, and of course that has sent Lady Checkmate into a spittle-flecked rage (not to mention her minions):

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/pope_says_god_makes_people_gay/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/pope_says_god_makes_people_gay/)

And another one, spotted immediately after:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/lyft_driver_refuses_to_host_sin_is_attacked_by_liar_who_double_talks/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/lyft_driver_refuses_to_host_sin_is_attacked_by_liar_who_double_talks/)

And she posted the one about the Lyft driver outraged by a gay kiss in the car on both her channels.  AND she FEATURED her OWN COMMENT about it, which is this:  "Hmmm, so, it went from a "kiss" to a "peck", just like that (*finger snap*). I think we're getting the PG version. We all know what happens out in the open at "pride" parades, so we know it was more than just a kiss or a peck in an enclosed space."

Lady Checkmate logic in a nutshell.  Because outrageous things sometimes happen at pride parades, she "knows" it was far more than that.  God she's so fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 21, 2018, 12:13:37 pm
Speak of the Catholics, the Pope said something intelligent and progressive about homosexuals, and of course that has sent Lady Checkmate into a spittle-flecked rage (not to mention her minions):


I just read Robin Egg's comment on the story.  Holy crap, I wish FSTDT was still up, I'd submit that right now.  She's comparing homosexuality to being an AXE MURDERER.  And this gem, too:

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There is no doubt, second guessing, contradiction or mystery to the Bible.

Suuuuuuuure......
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 21, 2018, 02:56:23 pm
A GUIDE TO CHRISTIAN NEWS NETWORK WRITING STYLES

Does the message have random trails of periods and no seemingly complete sentences?  It's Amos Moses.
Does the message mock you, state that it has reported you, or ask you if you want a tissue when you comment on an injustice?  It's Jason Todd/Jerome Horowitz/Maxwell Edison/slidellman4life, aka Matthew T. Mason.
Does the message make unsubstantiated claims but the writer claims he has already proven them several times, misquote you, then switch gears and call you "Peewee" or some other sock account name, and then disappear for a week or so?  It's Guest Verified.
Does the message contain a prayer to Jesus?
     a) Is it a general prayer usually starting with "Abba Father"?  It's Susan Perelka,
     b) Is it a prayer asking Jesus to punish someone and does it mention the person to be punished by name?  It's LadyInChrist.
Does the message focus entirely on homosexuals but refer to them as perverts (or other names) and talk extensively about Satan and hell?  It's Doug Bristow.
Does the message say nothing more than "Amen" and is not one of the above?  It's Lady Checkmate.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 22, 2018, 09:17:31 am
One more I can think of....

Is it a copy-and-paste about either Muslims or gays that's not really relevant to the story?  Then it's Reason2012.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 22, 2018, 11:31:04 am

This is good.  We should keep this guide handy and modify it as necessary.  I wish I could give it to people who think they can have a normal conversation with any of these people before they make the attempt.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 22, 2018, 07:42:04 pm
Thought this was worth mentioning here as well, after I pointed it out to BobRumba....

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/kansas_governor_signs_bill_protecting_religious_convictions_of_foster_adoption_agencies/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/kansas_governor_signs_bill_protecting_religious_convictions_of_foster_adoption_agencies/)

Guest verified is TOTALLY PARANOID.  According to him "one of us" works for Facebook and is using that to stalk Christians (where the fuck he got that from, I have NO clue), and we have a site dedicated to tracking down Lady Checkmate in real life.  (also news to me)



Also, does anti-discrimination law apply to adoption agencies, anyway??  Can they get away with religious discrimination?  Could an adoption agency say "no, we're not gonna let you adopt because you're not Christians (or whatever)"?  Cuz that's what this bill (which is obviously intended to allow Christian agencies to refuse adoptions to LGBT parents) could open up the door to.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 22, 2018, 10:47:49 pm
Thought this was worth mentioning here as well, after I pointed it out to BobRumba....

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/kansas_governor_signs_bill_protecting_religious_convictions_of_foster_adoption_agencies/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/kansas_governor_signs_bill_protecting_religious_convictions_of_foster_adoption_agencies/)

Guest verified is TOTALLY PARANOID.  According to him "one of us" works for Facebook and is using that to stalk Christians (where the fuck he got that from, I have NO clue), and we have a site dedicated to tracking down Lady Checkmate in real life.  (also news to me)

This is getting nauseating, now LadyInChrist and Susan Perelka are swallowing Guest Verified's story about Lady Checkmate and are praying for her safety.  Lady Checkmate has been claiming to have death threats for years and has never shown any evidence of it, she's a Christian persecution drama queen and loves to look picked on...and these two loonies are just feeding into it.  It's pathetic.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 22, 2018, 11:42:11 pm
This is getting nauseating, now LadyInChrist and Susan Perelka are swallowing Guest Verified's story about Lady Checkmate and are praying for her safety. 

I just responded to LadyInChrist. Seven minutes later she replies and instantly Guest Verified up votes her comment.
Collusion? Why would someone need a secret website, simple traffic analysis tells the whole story.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 23, 2018, 08:19:32 am
This is getting nauseating, now LadyInChrist and Susan Perelka are swallowing Guest Verified's story about Lady Checkmate and are praying for her safety. 

I just responded to LadyInChrist. Seven minutes later she replies and instantly Guest Verified up votes her comment.
Collusion? Why would someone need a secret website, simple traffic analysis tells the whole story.

At least you got a reply from her.  I directed a comment to her, tried to be pretty nice about it even, and didn't get one.  I guess I didn't give her enough to get worked up about, or maybe not enough to pray about.

Why did those comment sections suddenly become prayer meetings or something, anyway?  What, do they think they're gonna drive us away like we're demons?  I guess Matthew 6:6 isn't their favorite Bible verse ("when thou prayest, enter into thy closet").  Maybe I should start mentioning that there, see how that goes over.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 23, 2018, 10:14:16 am
I was going to archive that discussion so we'd be able to see its comments forever, and this morning all the comments were still there, but when I arrived at work the imperial hand of Christian News Network censorship wiped out most of the discussion.  LadyInChrist is ACTUALLY accusing us of being the censors!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 23, 2018, 10:22:19 am
What, do they think they're gonna drive us away like we're demons? 

They DO think we're demons.  These people are batshit nuts.  I don't think they're all nuts, I think Guest Verified is a very calculating game player who does it for enjoyment.  I think the two Ladies (Checkmate and InChrist) are legitimately not of sound mind, in fact people were saying that about Lady Checkmate years ago, long before I tangled with her.  Amos is clearly nuts.  Grace Kim Kwon is so nuts they banned her.

Doug Bristow is not nuts, just deeply fucked up from intense fundie indoctrination.  He used to be an old drunk apparently.  Now he's an old fundie ex-drunk.  Given the choice I would take the old one I think.

I don't talk much about Reason2012.  I just thumb him down and move on usually.  He says way too much every time and cuts and pastes most of it, he's like a human spam ad.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 23, 2018, 01:32:40 pm
If Guest Verified actually believes the crap he says, (like the stuff about paid gay activists on Christian News Network) he's nuts.  But there's always the possibility he's just fucking with us, like you're suggesting.  Like if you saw the argument we were getting into about the damn Wikipedia citations.  It makes me think he's either an idiot and doesn't understand Wikipedia, or he was just fucking with me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 23, 2018, 05:26:15 pm
I just responded to LadyInChrist. Seven minutes later she replies and instantly Guest Verified up votes her comment.
Collusion? Why would someone need a secret website, simple traffic analysis tells the whole story.

Do you think they use a secret website, though?  Lady Checkmate’s “Community Council” board gets used sometimes.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 23, 2018, 07:30:17 pm
I just responded to LadyInChrist. Seven minutes later she replies and instantly Guest Verified up votes her comment.
Collusion? Why would someone need a secret website, simple traffic analysis tells the whole story.

Do you think they use a secret website, though?  Lady Checkmate’s “Community Council” board gets used sometimes.

No need. Using follow with notifications turned on. Remember you can turn following on for a few minutes then turn it back to private in order to allow a follower. Remember too that a sock may be doing the following.

some sample posters -
                  followers         following
LadyInChrist      77      275
LadyCheckmate            5      39
WorldGoneCrazy    134      72
Guest Verified      1      14
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 23, 2018, 11:44:40 pm
No need. Using follow with notifications turned on.

No, but I am talking about for purposes of talking to each other and strategizing.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 27, 2018, 08:57:48 am
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/atheists_agnostics_file_suit_to_challenge_ten_commandments_monument_at_arkansas_state_capitol/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/atheists_agnostics_file_suit_to_challenge_ten_commandments_monument_at_arkansas_state_capitol/)

LadyInChrist thinks I am the moderator, apparently.  Or maybe that I've somehow taken Christian News Network over, I don't know.  Oh well, I'm not really too upset that she's so paranoid, anyway.  Maybe I should have not denied it, just to fuck with her.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 27, 2018, 09:24:12 am
I suspect all of them are in "button pushing" mode right now.

There's LadyInChrist who is either so stupid she thinks you work there as a moderator, or just wants us to think that.
There's Amos, persistently insisting that I have "self contradicted" something I said, which I didn't - he simply fails at parsing sentence structure.  Or maybe he just wants us to think that.
There's Guest Verified, starting a brand new rumor that one of us works at Facebook (????????????) and that we are paid pro-homosexual trolls.  Or maybe he just wants us to think that.

Think about this.  Maybe they're just having fun making outrageous and ridiculous claims.  If they really believe them, they're as nuts as we've always believed them to be.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 27, 2018, 02:27:01 pm
Here's a great Christian News Network headline: "Ireland Votes to Allow Murder of Unborn Children as Rejoicing Breaks Out in Predominantly Catholic Country"
https://christiannews.net/2018/05/26/ireland-votes-to-allow-murder-of-unborn-children-as-rejoicing-breaks-out-in-predominantly-catholic-country/ (https://christiannews.net/2018/05/26/ireland-votes-to-allow-murder-of-unborn-children-as-rejoicing-breaks-out-in-predominantly-catholic-country/)

Where to start, where to start...

First of all the alarmist word "murder" in there...never let factual balanced news reporting get in the way of a good hyperbole.

Why mention the Catholics in this headline, they are on the same side as the fundies where abortion is concerned, or is the idea to blame the outcome on the Catholics?

Finally, rejoicing.  So this vote goes through and satanist heathens across the nation are going to party like it's 1999?

This website has always been a spot on the bum of the internet, and headlines like this are the reason why.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 27, 2018, 04:21:31 pm
They get to give people a chance to bitch about abortions AND Catholics at the same time, guess they can't pass that up.

I'd say "watch this one get a ton of comments"....but, no, there's nothing about homosexuals in it, so that probably won't happen.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 28, 2018, 11:19:14 am
Watch this thread on Christian News, it's bound to explode:

https://christiannews.net/2018/05/27/hawaii-governor-signs-bill-banning-help-for-homosexual-youth-claims-sexual-orientation-is-not-an-illness/ (https://christiannews.net/2018/05/27/hawaii-governor-signs-bill-banning-help-for-homosexual-youth-claims-sexual-orientation-is-not-an-illness/)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 28, 2018, 03:32:49 pm
I just tried to make a few comments on Christian News Network, three comments in a row that got marked as "spam."  What the hell, is this their new way of banning people?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 28, 2018, 03:47:49 pm
Try it again, reword it a bit.  That happens sometimes to me too.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 28, 2018, 03:54:12 pm
I just tried to make a few comments on Christian News Network, three comments in a row that got marked as "spam."  What the hell, is this their new way of banning people?

This has been happening on other sites as well. I think it may be changes at DISQUS as to how they process posts.

Also I now have to login every time I return to make a DISQUS comment.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 28, 2018, 04:46:54 pm
Disqus needs to start worrying less about trolls and more about goofy-ass channel owners and moderators.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 28, 2018, 05:48:45 pm
OK, I guess I'm out of spam purgatory now.

And Guest verified again.....he'll tear me a new one for saying I got something from Wikipedia....but then he'll cite YOUTUBE videos as his evidence that "reparative therapy" works??  Does he really not see a problem with that???
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on May 28, 2018, 06:59:58 pm
OK, I guess I'm out of spam purgatory now.

And Guest verified again.....he'll tear me a new one for saying I got something from Wikipedia....but then he'll cite YOUTUBE videos as his evidence that "reparative therapy" works??  Does he really not see a problem with that???

I think he does that on purpose, and then follows it with his cutesy smiley faces, because he's trolling and not even trying to hide it.

I mean, COUNT the smiley faces he's put at the end of his comments in this thread.  He always does it in a way that makes you want to punch him in the face.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 30, 2018, 06:51:48 pm
To those seeing a grey filter on posts at Christian News Network,

Right click the page Once
Left click and select inspect element.

Wait a little.

Delete the line that gets highlighted and you can resume free speech"

From: Nidalap
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on May 30, 2018, 11:47:21 pm
On the story of Abraham and Isaac
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Amos Moses
Nope .... it is literal AND it is type and shadow ..... and the OT is only about ONE PERSON ..... Christ Jesus ..... and Christ said so ....... so if Christ is real ..... the what He said is REAL and literal ..... and it all occurred as God had it planned and to be written as God had it planned to be ............. as a prophecy of the Messiah ......

and for more exciting insights:
https://christiannews.net/2018/05/29/prosperity-preacher-asks-followers-for-donations-to-obtain-54m-jet-says-jesus-wouldnt-be-riding-a-donkey/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 31, 2018, 08:32:17 am
To those seeing a grey filter on posts at Christian News Network,

Right click the page Once
Left click and select inspect element.

Wait a little.

Delete the line that gets highlighted and you can resume free speech"

From: Nidalap

I got that myself for a little while.  Though, it was doing that on my laptop, but it was working just fine on my phone.

I kinda hope LadyInChrist and Guest and their ilk ran into that problem, and think the multi-headed Peewee monster who works for Facebook and is a paid gay activist is behind it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on May 31, 2018, 08:42:14 am
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Amos Moses
Nope .... it is literal AND it is type and shadow

WTF is that even supposed to mean?  "Type and shadow"?  I guess he's saying it's literal and symbolic at the same time....but damn, why not just say that?  Sometimes I wonder if he understands himself.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 01, 2018, 07:38:10 am
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Amos Moses
Nope .... it is literal AND it is type and shadow

WTF is that even supposed to mean?  "Type and shadow"?  I guess he's saying it's literal and symbolic at the same time....but damn, why not just say that?  Sometimes I wonder if he understands himself.

Always with the “nope” at the ready, that guy...
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 01, 2018, 07:54:25 am
Amos actually DEFENDED the Bible using exactly 3 as the value of pi.

Quote
well 3.14 IS practically 3 ..... SO WHAT ..... simple math of ROUNDING to the nearest integer ..... and it even GOT THAT RIGHT ..........

Also, rounding isn't really that much of be proud of....
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 01, 2018, 09:50:32 am
Rounding to the nearest integer is some bullshit you do in 3rd grade to get rid of weird fractions.  Granted, pi is an irrational number for whom any number of decimals is an approximation of its true value, it doesn't change the fact that the more decimals you have, the more precise your approximation.  In math, as with many things in life, precision matters.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 01, 2018, 12:24:38 pm
Rounding to the nearest integer is some bullshit you do in 3rd grade to get rid of weird fractions.  Granted, pi is an irrational number for whom any number of decimals is an approximation of its true value, it doesn't change the fact that the more decimals you have, the more precise your approximation.  In math, as with many things in life, precision matters.

Go ahead and try to build a circular structure 10 cubits across and 30 cubits in circumference (which is what it says in the Bible), and let's see how that "approximation" works.  If it had said 31 that would have been at least close.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 02, 2018, 04:08:48 pm
Has anyone else noticed that Amos has adopted the word "narcissism", or rather ......NARCISSISM...... and is using it in practically every post, just as Lady Checkmate does with "alt-left"?

Also, he posted this tonight: "NOPE ... it means they are BOTH NARCISSISTS ......... using the other for NARCISSISTIC self gratification ...... and they do harm to themselves, to their "partner", to their families, and to society in general ..... they destroy societies ........"

Self gratification, narcissism....do you think maybe he's gotten homosexuality confused with MASTURBATION?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 03, 2018, 08:16:12 am
It's like he just learned that word and is trying to use it anywhere he can to show off.  And I'm still trying to figure out how "doing harm to themselves" is supposed to be "narcissism."

Also, that "myth" thing still pisses me off.  If you call something a "myth", then that means it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 03, 2018, 10:32:35 am
He is childish in his stubborn insistence something is a certain way, or word, but never ever explains himself.

He's having a full-on temper tantrum saying "narcissism" over and over.  It was pointed out to him that it would look just ridiculous to say "fire truck".
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 04, 2018, 08:57:13 am
It's an interesting thing, the Hawaii governor thread is quite old now and is still going strong with over 500 comments and the censor, excuse me, moderator is being uncharacteristically lenient in letting comments stay there.

Amos is the one keeping it alive, I think, mostly because he can't NOT have the last word, and he will scream NARCISSISM until his dying breath.  Which is fine, because he's been called out on his cognitive dissonance in that thread by several people in a way that has been very, very satisfying.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 04, 2018, 03:38:10 pm
Aaaaaand I spoke too soon, Christian News Network deleted over 100 comments from that thread today.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 04, 2018, 03:44:20 pm
First out of the gate praising God for the supreme court ruling was Lady Checkmate, to no one's surprise.

On her Faith & Religion channel:
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-faithreligion/praise_god_supreme_court_sides_with_colorado_baker_who_refused_to_make_wedding_cake_for_same_sex_cou/

On her "News Network" channel:
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-newsnetwork/supreme_court_sides_with_colorado_baker_who_refused_to_make_wedding_cake_for_same_sex_couple/
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 06, 2018, 08:22:57 am
Speaking of Lady Checkmate, I haven't looked at her channels in a while, has she called Nathan Larson (the white supremacist/pedophile/pro-incest/incel who's running for Congress in CA) "alt-left" yet? 
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 06, 2018, 09:37:46 am
Speaking of Lady Checkmate, I haven't looked at her channels in a while, has she called Nathan Larson (the white supremacist/pedophile/pro-incest/incel who's running for Congress in CA) "alt-left" yet?

She and Amos follow the same playbook - so most likely the liberal alt-left they always talk about will be huge fans of this guy.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on June 09, 2018, 06:01:10 pm
The problem with Amos Moses is that he’s Dunning-Kruger personified. He’s a perfect example of Dunning-Kruger. He is literally 100% overtaken by it. Amos Moses doesn’t just tend toward the side of not knowing how little he knows, he is absolutely convinced that he is completely correct about every topic which, in reality, he knows nothing whatsoever about.

I gave up on trying to reason with him over the whole trans fiasco. I presented him an actual, honest-to-God scientific paper, explaining what gender dysphoria is, what causes it (to the best of our knowledge), and why scientists believe that affirming a trans person’s chosen gender is the best course of action. I then asked Dunning-Kruger Boy what part of the study is in error. He said “It begins on the first page and ends on the last page.”

OK, Amos, thank you for announcing that A) You didn’t read it, B) you wouldn’t be able to understand it if you did, and C) you aren’t even on the same planet as you would need to be to be on the intellectual level to critique it. And yet, he’s so utterly, smugly, idiotically convinced that he has the inside track on this topic.

How is it even physically possible to be that stupid? How??
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 09, 2018, 06:31:19 pm
The problem with Amos Moses is that he’s Dunning-Kruger personified.

I always liked the phrase “Fractally Wrong”
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 09, 2018, 08:18:34 pm
How is it even physically possible to be that stupid? How??

There is something that boggles my mind FAR more, and that is how people like LadyInChrist and Lady Checkmate will thumb up every single stupid, ranting, blithering, moronic thing Amos says even when he makes no sense whatsoever.  When they CANNOT POSSIBLY be in agreement with him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 10, 2018, 02:17:36 pm
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♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥ Guest • 2 days ago
Dear Father in Heaven please help "Charles des Barres" to understand that my promise is a promise I am going to keep.. And let him know I refuse to play his games. In Jesus Name please protect Christians from him and his hate.
      

♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥ ♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥ • 3 hours ago 

Would someone be kind enough to tell this person that this is also a "Christian" site.Christians pray. And asking God to help someone understand something is not an attack. I made a promise not to respond anymore to this person. It is a Promise I am keeping.

https://christiannews.net/2018/06/05/convicted-felon-and-admitted-pedophile-running-for-congress-wants-to-legalize-incest/

LadyInChrist first needs God to talk to Charles and two days later decides that anyone but her talk to him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 10, 2018, 03:18:51 pm
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♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥ Guest • 2 days ago
Dear Father in Heaven please help "Charles des Barres" to understand that my promise is a promise I am going to keep.. And let him know I refuse to play his games. In Jesus Name please protect Christians from him and his hate.
      

♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥ ♥LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust♥ • 3 hours ago 

Would someone be kind enough to tell this person that this is also a "Christian" site.Christians pray. And asking God to help someone understand something is not an attack. I made a promise not to respond anymore to this person. It is a Promise I am keeping.

https://christiannews.net/2018/06/05/convicted-felon-and-admitted-pedophile-running-for-congress-wants-to-legalize-incest/

LadyInChrist first needs God to talk to Charles and two days later decides that anyone but her talk to him.

She's like a little kid who doesn't want to talk to her brother or something.  "Mom, tell Jimmy I..."  (when Jimmy is right next to her)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 10, 2018, 03:40:34 pm
Also, those bastards deleted my comment where I made a Monty Python reference.  I shall fart in their general direction.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 10, 2018, 03:52:07 pm
Also, those bastards deleted my comment where I made a Monty Python reference.  I shall fart in their general direction.

The only thing that annoys me about banning and deleting is they tend to do it when you have a pretty good debate going and you think you might have just finally cornered Amos logically or LadyInChrist or Guest Verified or whatever and then they yank the whole thing away, leaving behind the bigot comments.  Christian News Network seems to fear rational discussion, or reason period.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 13, 2018, 02:39:23 pm
Has anyone else noticed that when Amos Moses DOES get exhausted and needs to pull out his trump card, he'll just change the subject completely and say DOES OBJECTIVE MORALITY EXIST?

And what does he hope to accomplish by doing that?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 13, 2018, 03:12:17 pm
Has anyone else noticed that when Amos Moses DOES get exhausted and needs to pull out his trump card, he'll just change the subject completely and say DOES OBJECTIVE MORALITY EXIST?

And what does he hope to accomplish by doing that?

Oh, yeah, I've been down that road with him before....he uses that to say (I guess when he runs out of arguments) that if you don't think it exists, then you have no reason to complain about anything at all.   That never really made any sense to me.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 13, 2018, 03:18:48 pm
Has anyone else noticed that when Amos Moses DOES get exhausted and needs to pull out his trump card, he'll just change the subject completely and say DOES OBJECTIVE MORALITY EXIST?

And what does he hope to accomplish by doing that?

Oh, yeah, I've been down that road with him before....he uses that to say (I guess when he runs out of arguments) that if you don't think it exists, then you have no reason to complain about anything at all.   That never really made any sense to me.

Following Amos logic is always falling down a rabbit hole, but I've been down that particular one with him myself, and the ultimate point he thinks he's making is that only he has the right to make moral judgements since he's following the word of God.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 15, 2018, 09:37:44 am
All of the stories appearing on Christian News Network (except for one about drugs which has 2 comments so far, and one about abortion which has 1....and the Nathan Larson one, which wasn't about anything LGBT, but that ain't gonna stop some people from making it about that, I guess) over the last 10 days are drag queens, LGBT, or STDs.    I wonder if they look at the direction the comments go, and/or what stories get the most comments, when they decide what they're going to have stories about.



Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 15, 2018, 10:10:47 am
That place would shrivel up like a dandelion if they didn't run their LGBT, pedophile, drag queen and STD stories.  No one else gets interested enough to comment.  To the outsider, someone who didn't know about Christianity at all, to visit that site you'd be led to believe that Christianity is all about hating on all those things and nothing else.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 16, 2018, 08:55:40 am
I'm still kinda surprised they don't seem to give much of a shit about abortion anymore.  I'd think something that they consider to be murder of innocent people would be more of a pressing concern than, for example, some drag queens interacting with kids somewhere.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 16, 2018, 09:20:13 am
WTF is this shit even?  (from Amos, not that anyone can't tell anyway)

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FYI ...... there is nothing higher than the truth ...... if there was proof" of the truth ...... then the "proof" would be higher than truth
.....SO ...... the task you have set for yourself is ...... PROVE the PROOF is higher than truth .....

Does that make any sense to anyone?  It doesn't to me.  He's talking in circles.  First he's (I think) saying proof isn't necessary.....then expecting someone to prove that it is?

As I recall, he used the same kinda reasoning (if you call it that) about science.  Something along the lines of "you can't use science to prove science".  That made no sense to me either.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 16, 2018, 10:07:37 am
The fuck is Amos smoking?  Because I want some.

For research purposes, of course.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 16, 2018, 10:28:05 am
The fuck is Amos smoking?  Because I want some.

For research purposes, of course.

It does kinda sound like something that someone would come up when stoned off their ass.

"That's deep man....pass the bong, dude."
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 16, 2018, 11:47:45 am

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FYI ...... there is nothing higher than the truth ...... if there was proof" of the truth ...... then the "proof" would be higher than truth
.....SO ...... the task you have set for yourself is ...... PROVE the PROOF is higher than truth .....

Does that make any sense to anyone? 

“Twisted Platonism” - Abstract truth resides a the highest most level. Below “Truth” we have reason, then lower down proof (which are reflection of parts of truth), below that science which is flawed man’s attempts at finding truth. And of course lies which is Satan’s tool to deceive man.

Just like “First Cause”, “Truth” requires a Truth Giver (yep you guessed it), This Truth Giver kindly provided a simple, clear recording, available without need to interpretation, of all truth which is available in the KJV.

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on June 16, 2018, 11:51:42 am
The fuck is Amos smoking?  Because I want some.

For research purposes, of course.

It is not the smoke, but the life-long commitment to a mind altering lifestyle.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 16, 2018, 12:03:33 pm


“Twisted Platonism” - Abstract truth resides a the highest most level. Below “Truth” we have reason, then lower down proof (which are reflection of parts of truth), below that science which is flawed man’s attempts at finding truth. And of course lies which is Satan’s tool to deceive man.

Just like “First Cause”, “Truth” requires a Truth Giver (yep you guessed it), This Truth Giver kindly provided a simple, clear recording, available without need to interpretation, of all truth which is available in the KJV.

So, in other words, the truth is what God says, and you have to accept that that is the truth without any proof, (since he pretty much said or implied THERE IS NO PROOF OF THE TRUTH) because....uh....reasons.

This shit gives me a headache.  This kind of stuff is why I feel like sometimes theists are using all the same words that I am, but they're speaking a different language.  I dunno, maybe there's something in some people's brains that lets this stuff make sense to them, and I just don't have it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 16, 2018, 02:31:42 pm
...The frick? It sounds like some kind of Zen riddle.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 19, 2018, 03:41:21 pm
I just want to say I'm absolutely loving this thread right now:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/netflix_picks_up_tv_drama_lucifer_portraying_devil_as_charming_crime_fighter_following_fox_cancellat/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/netflix_picks_up_tv_drama_lucifer_portraying_devil_as_charming_crime_fighter_following_fox_cancellat/)

Looks like because it's about the show Lucifer being cancelled and then picked back up by Netflix, some people, including some Christians, who don't usually post on Christian News Network, are commenting to say they're fans of the show.  Amos responded to a few of them, of course, and the people gave it right back to him.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 19, 2018, 04:36:31 pm
I just want to say I'm absolutely loving this thread right now:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/netflix_picks_up_tv_drama_lucifer_portraying_devil_as_charming_crime_fighter_following_fox_cancellat/ (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/netflix_picks_up_tv_drama_lucifer_portraying_devil_as_charming_crime_fighter_following_fox_cancellat/)

Looks like because it's about the show Lucifer being cancelled and then picked back up by Netflix, some people, including some Christians, who don't usually post on Christian News Network, are commenting to say they're fans of the show.  Amos responded to a few of them, of course, and the people gave it right back to him.

That is pretty fascinating.  More fascinating it looking at how many downvotes the more innocent newcomers have gotten, especially the one who says she's Catholics (Teresa, I think her name was).  True to form the Catholic haters jumped on her, and Guest Verified attacked her for it.

Some of those people have 15 downvotes!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on June 27, 2018, 09:15:44 am
Christian News Network’s newest censoring tactic is to have every single comment a user they wish to make unwelcome be set to “spam” so that it never gets seen by anyone.  I don’t know how they manage to do that but I have an account over there which was working perfectly, and now nothing I write ever displays.  In my profile I see what I wrote but it has a “detected as spam” flag next to it.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 02, 2018, 07:34:08 pm
I have discovered that it does not matter how civilly you engage with Amos, no matter how well you weather his abusive screaming that you are a liar, how skillfully or gently you bring him back on topic when he goes skittering off topic...Christian News Network will ALWAYS ban you.

Because scripture, I guess.  I cannot imagine why they do it or why they ignore the far worse behavior of people who are supposed to be Christians but act like animals in a zoo.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 14, 2018, 02:47:21 am
Guest verified:
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The only folks who want the U.S. to become a theocracy are Muslims.

from: https://christiannews.net/2018/07/09/trump-nominates-roman-catholic-brett-kavanaugh-to-replace-retiring-justice-anthony-kennedy-on-the-supreme-court/
and yet many commenters on that very thread contradict that premise.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on July 25, 2018, 06:21:55 pm
Guest verified:
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The only folks who want the U.S. to become a theocracy are Muslims.

from: https://christiannews.net/2018/07/09/trump-nominates-roman-catholic-brett-kavanaugh-to-replace-retiring-justice-anthony-kennedy-on-the-supreme-court/
and yet many commenters on that very thread contradict that premise.

This tread is still going strong at 326 comments and good old "Guest verified" is digging a deeper hole.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on July 26, 2018, 05:05:15 pm
I’ve actually seen people say that Guest Verified is kind and polite.  Not that I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 12, 2018, 08:34:57 pm
I think those bitches LadyInChrist and Susan Perelka keep posting their stupid "Abba father" prayers as an incantation to ward off people who disagree with them.

Reminds me of those old Church Lady sketches on Saturday Night Live:  "Going to have to say a prayer against you for that one..."
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 14, 2018, 11:00:02 pm
And speaking of LadyInChrist on the thread
https://christiannews.net/2018/08/11/freedom-from-religion-foundation-wants-sheriffs-office-to-remove-for-god-and-country-patches/

she just sent a comment to herself because she promised never respond to me.I’d love to respond ipomoea her with

inshallah
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 15, 2018, 05:08:04 pm
She is the worse of the two, because she always has to toss out her accusation of you being “one of Bob Rumba’s trolls” before promising (herself) not to talk to you ever again.  Susan just posts her dumb ABBA father prayer and leaves.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Ambulance Chaser on August 15, 2018, 07:57:01 pm
Pastoredsmith thinks Muslims don’t condemn acts of terror, ever? Oh my God, you cannot reason with these people. They live in an alternate reality!
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 16, 2018, 12:41:42 am
Pastoredsmith thinks Muslims don’t condemn acts of terror, ever? Oh my God, you cannot reason with these people. They live in an alternate reality!

It always terrifies me a bit when I see the word "pastor" at the beginning of these online names, especially when their posts come across so intolerant.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 16, 2018, 04:21:47 am
And Amos once again (well actually twice again) shows he has no idea what is a Strawman.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 16, 2018, 11:49:48 am
And Amos once again (well actually twice again) shows he has no idea what is a Strawman.

It used to make me laugh when he'd try to turn it around and scream NO TRUE ATHEIST! Which again underscores the fact that he has no clue what any of it means.  I'm sure he thought he was lashing back at everyone pretty good though.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 17, 2018, 09:50:36 pm
Here's the kind of stuff that Christian News Network's censor is finding so controversial and counterculture that they have to save people from reading it.  Mustn't educate Amos Moses on what a strawman argument actually is:

(https://s15.postimg.cc/yd7thfj0b/removed.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 17, 2018, 10:22:18 pm
Here's the kind of stuff that Christian News Network's censor is finding so controversial

Their subtitle should be:

"Never let the facts ruin a good story"

Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 17, 2018, 10:45:00 pm
Seriously, what kind of wackos run that place?  You can't even point out to them that they're factually wrong about things or they censor you.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: niam2023 on August 18, 2018, 12:53:06 am
What kind of horrid wasteland is Disqus if this is what goes on in it? Is it like Breitbart The Discussion Board?
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 18, 2018, 05:08:20 pm
What kind of horrid wasteland is Disqus if this is what goes on in it? Is it like Breitbart The Discussion Board?

This isn't Disqus.  It's its own place, but it has licensed the Disqus forum model for discussion.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 19, 2018, 09:53:00 pm
Fron LadyInChrist♥InGodITrust
at https://christiannews.net/2018/08/15/baker-back-in-court-after-colorado-claims-he-discriminated-by-declining-to-make-cake-celebrating-gender-transition/
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Hi *E Hakenson* Just so you know let me make this very clear. And you can spread the word to those connected to you. This will also include all of your sock puppets as well.
I no longer have openings to be trolled or to be silenced by you,BobRumba, Bob Johnson, james blue, socks, or anyone connected to you/them. This is a Cristian site and I am a Christian and I have to right to speak here without being silenced because someone hates Christians. As of today, I will not be responding to trolls on this site. Please spread the word. I will be praying for you all and the Christians you all are trolling here but I will not be responding.
As for praying if you ever need prayer or know someone who does find me and let me know.I always have openings for prayer.I will not respond but I will pray.

If FSTDT has their annual awards, then I would like to nominate "Lady..." for
I Can Stick My Head In The Sand Deeper Than You



Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: BobRumba on August 20, 2018, 08:13:09 am
The only thing I would silence from LadyInChrist would be her super annoying Abba Father prayers and posts that just say Amen.  Because they are pointless.  Pretty funny that she thinks we want to silence Christians.  That board will ban people at the drop of a hat, and it ain’t the CHRISTIANS being “silenced” either.
Title: Re: Christian News Network fundies
Post by: Bob J. on August 20, 2018, 04:43:09 pm

If FSTDT has their annual awards, then I would like to nominate "Lady..." for
I Can Stick My Head In The Sand Deeper Than You


Another entry for this award from Seven seven
at https://christiannews.net/2018/08/17/satanic-temple-trucks-in-baphomet-statue-for-event-calling-for-equality-after-ten-commandments-installed-at-arkansas-capitol/

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It is wrong to talk with Democrats and RINOcrats