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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2012, 07:14:07 pm »
I suppose they don't believe that adopting or having IVF would be an acceptable means of reproducing children? What if the woman isn't infertile, but her husband is? Don't these asshole's understand that they could still care for children in this world and have a family?

Adoption, yes.  IVF, no--having babies in any way but the natural method is a perversion of what sex is all about.  Because the semen is generally obtained through the "intrinsically disordered act" of masturbation.

According to the Vatican, you shouldn't have sex without allowing a baby, and you shouldn't have babies without having sex.  Because sex and babies are inextricably linked, you see.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2012, 07:33:36 pm »
Suddenly, their child molestation makes so much more sense.

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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2012, 07:56:23 pm »
Like I needed any MORE reasons not to stay with the Roman Catholic Church. And I thought that marriages were granted by the government now, so the church cannot revoke something that was granted by the state.

It would be really funny if the Onion made it up...

I actually really hope that this was from The Onion.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2012, 08:10:55 pm »
It would be really funny if the Onion made it up...
Exactly, it reads like something straight out of the Onion.

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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2012, 11:10:54 pm »
My father is a devout RC... He even went to college to become a priest before he met his FIRST WIFE (HORRORS!!!! DIVORCE!!!!), and he'd fucking punch these buggers in the nose for being retarded! I'm SOOO happy my father's more progressive than those ass-wipe's... He doesn't mind contraceptives, understands that abortion is necessary in some instances, supports equal rights for homosexuals, and is tolerant of MOST other religions (the only one he has a problem with is the Muslim faith, and that's just because he hates the way women are treated over in the middle east).

They shot themselves in the foot this time, I think... I suppose they don't believe that adopting or having IVF would be an acceptable means of reproducing children? What if the woman isn't infertile, but her husband is? Don't these asshole's understand that they could still care for children in this world and have a family?

Never happens.  It's always the women's fault.  The man is never ever at fault.

Ironbite-and that's the official stance from the RCC

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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2012, 03:46:42 am »
This extreme Catholic fundamentalism is exactly what Rick Santorum believes in and is why he is so truly scary.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2012, 09:32:57 am »
I can't find any Catholic sources to corroborate this.  It seems to have stemmed from some anti-Catholic sources, possibly out of misunderstanding (or deliberate misinterpretation) of their anti-impotence rule.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2012, 10:59:24 am »
I actually went on the actual Vatican news site. Pope Benny in one of his speeches said something like: "policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself."

Make of that what you will.

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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2012, 11:46:02 am »
The anti-impotence rule is that if a man is impotent, he isn't allowed to get married in the RCC.  Which is every bit as stupid as this.  Actually, here.  This has a list of all the rules that can invalidate a marriage in the Catholic Church.  Infertility isn't.  On the other hand, if you can have children, but don't intend to, that does invalidate the marriage. 

As for this being from the Onion, this is more like something out of a Chick Tract.  That is, it's someone making things up to try and and discredit the Catholic Church.  Why they bothered with all the actual ammo available, I couldn't say.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2012, 12:02:26 pm »
Well, there goes any remaining ability I may have had to take anything they say in Church about marriage as a covenant of love seriously. It’s just a sex and breeding machine to them.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2012, 12:30:40 pm »
The anti-impotence rule is that if a man is impotent, he isn't allowed to get married in the RCC.  Which is every bit as stupid as this.  Actually, here.  This has a list of all the rules that can invalidate a marriage in the Catholic Church.  Infertility isn't. 

The problem with wikipedia is if this is a new, unconfirmed edict they may not have edited that page quite yet. As I said, what the Pope said could also be misconstrued as being in support of a ban on infertile marriages. Without actually saying it.

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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2012, 01:34:16 pm »
No, if it was an edict, they'd be more open about it.  That's the thing about edicts.  They have to actually tell people about them for them to be effective.

Plus, the Church has already confirmed that this wasn't their intention.  Benny-boy's just trying to drum up support for their anti-gay policies again.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2012, 01:51:28 pm »
Wow. The RCC is getting deperate or stupider. IDK which.
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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2012, 02:01:48 pm »
No, if it was an edict, they'd be more open about it.  That's the thing about edicts.  They have to actually tell people about them for them to be effective.

Plus, the Church has already confirmed that this wasn't their intention.  Benny-boy's just trying to drum up support for their anti-gay policies again.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. If one archbishop says 'oh this is what we're doing now' and then the Vatican goes 'bwuh' then it's not confirmed by anyone more than the archbishop, yes? Therefore there is no point to edit an article just yet about how the entire church does things. It is an unconfirmed edict and incapable of being edited in. Also incapable of being put into practice by more than the one archbishop.

I also didn't see anything from the actual Vatican that said it was entirely wrong. The link that was posted some time ago didn't seem to confirm or deny anything to me. Not concretely. Just ass-covering. Googling didn't help either.

Maybe I'm just dense from lack of sleep, tho.

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Re: RCC to ban infertile people from marriage
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2012, 02:30:35 pm »
Here's where Cruz explains that the Church doesn't bar infertility.  Cruz was supposedly the one who said it in the first place.  Even if he had said it, he's been retired since 2009, and no longer makes any sort of policy.  While the church has said in a number of points that marriage is there for procreation, they've said that mostly in response to gay marriage.

So, to recap.  This appears to have started in anti-Catholic papers.  Cruz denies having said it.  No other sources within the Church have said it.  Even if Cruz had said it, he's not in a position to be able to make that sort of proclamation.
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