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« on: February 09, 2013, 04:56:35 pm »
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/02/intelligent-design-missouri-evolution



Another bill introduced in the Missouri House, HB 179, has more in common with anti-evolution bills that have been proposed this year in states like Montana and Colorado. It asks teachers to "create an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that encourages students to explore scientific questions"—but doesn't explicitly mention intelligent design. This is hardly the first time the Missouri House has tried to get evolution theory out of the classroom. Brattin and other cosponsors tried to get similar legislation passed last year, but the bill died in committee. In 2003, another bill with near-identical language to to HB 291 was sponsored by Rep. Robert Wayne Cooper (R-Mo.), but it also said that teachers who didn't comply would be fired. It was so controversial that more than 450 Missouri scientists and educators supported a statement that said "intelligent design...isn't science."

Brattin argues that there are "numerous college professors within biology, school science teachers" who are "banned from the science community" because they want to teach other theories of origin. The National Center for Science Education's Meikle agrees—the bill really could "open the door for teachers who are opposed to evolution to bring in creationist materials." That's why his group is "hoping it doesn't pass."  HB 291, the "Missouri Standard Science Act,"redefines a few things you thought you already knew about science. For example, a "hypothesis" is redefined as something that reflects a "minority of scientific opinion and is "philosophically unpopular." A scientific theory is "an inferred explanation...whose components are data, logic and faith-based philosophy." And "destiny" is not something that $5 fortune tellers believe in; Instead, it's "the events and processes that define the future of the universe, galaxies, stars, our solar system, earth, plant life, animal life, and the human race."

The bill requires that Missouri elementary and secondary schools—and even introductory science classes in public universities—give equal textbook space to both evolution and intelligent design (any other "theories of origin" are allowed to be taught as well, so pick your favorite creation myth—I'm partial to the Russian raven spirit.) "I can't imagine any mainstream textbook publisher would comply with this," Meikle says. "The material doesn't exist."

The bill also establishes a nine-person committee (who must work for free) responsible for developing ad-hoc textbook material until appropriate textbook material is found.

Another bill introduced in the Missouri House, HB 179, has more in common with anti-evolution bills that have been proposed this year in states like Montana and Colorado. It asks teachers to "create an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that encourages students to explore scientific questions"—but doesn't explicitly mention intelligent design. This is hardly the first time the Missouri House has tried to get evolution theory out of the classroom. Brattin and other cosponsors tried to get similar legislation passed last year, but the bill died in committee. In 2003, another bill with near-identical language to to HB 291 was sponsored by Rep. Robert Wayne Cooper (R-Mo.), but it also said that teachers who didn't comply would be fired. It was so controversial that more than 450 Missouri scientists and educators supported a statement that said "intelligent design...isn't science."

Brattin argues that there are "numerous college professors within biology, school science teachers" who are "banned from the science community" because they want to teach other theories of origin. The National Center for Science Education's Meikle agrees—the bill really could "open the door for teachers who are opposed to evolution to bring in creationist materials." That's why his group is "hoping it doesn't pass."
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Re: WTF?!
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 05:24:03 pm »
.....get the fuck out of science you fucking retard.

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Re: WTF?!
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 07:36:09 pm »
Yeah, you're not a science buff, you're just an idiot.

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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 07:39:52 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 07:50:27 pm »
He's having a serious Forrest Gump moment--stupid is as stupid does.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 08:20:32 pm »
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For example, a "hypothesis" is redefined as something that reflects a "minority of scientific opinion and is "philosophically unpopular.

Como say whaaa? I'm sorry...guh, what?

"minority of scientific opinion and is philisophically unpopular"

Excuse me...I need to go lay down

"Minority of scientific opinion

....or maybe I need to kill something
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 12:10:23 am »
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For example, a "hypothesis" is redefined as something that reflects a "minority of scientific opinion and is "philosophically unpopular.

Como say whaaa? I'm sorry...guh, what?

"minority of scientific opinion and is philisophically unpopular"

Excuse me...I need to go lay down

"Minority of scientific opinion

....or maybe I need to kill something

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Re: WTF?!
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 03:36:47 am »
Is there a reason you posted the story text twice?  O_o 

I doubt this will pass, but the loose language to try to get around separation of church and state will certainly backfire, no?  Then again, for all we know this guy MIGHT not be Christian and might not care as much.  I highly doubt it, but it is technically a slim possibility.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 04:33:46 am »
Is there a reason you posted the story text twice?  O_o 

I doubt this will pass, but the loose language to try to get around separation of church and state will certainly backfire, no?  Then again, for all we know this guy MIGHT not be Christian and might not care as much.  I highly doubt it, but it is technically a slim possibility.

Consider it an ironic echo, punctuating the most absurd parts of what was said for emphasis. Incredulous repetition. Common man, I thought that'd be obvious.

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« Last Edit: February 10, 2013, 08:58:59 pm by Itachirumon »
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2013, 08:49:42 pm »
Fundies.  Forever moving the goalposts.
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Re: WTF?!
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 02:02:35 am »
I dunno...after having been moved so often, are we entirely sure that there are any goalposts, anymore?
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Re: WTF?!
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 01:26:02 pm »
Science doesn't work that way, idiots.

It's like the towns that try to redefine pie as 3.
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Re: WTF?!
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 01:43:52 pm »
That's crying out to have "-TARD" added on to the end of it...

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 02:10:11 pm »
I dunno...after having been moved so often, are we entirely sure that there are any goalposts, anymore?

Well, we haven't been able to find the left one, so we've been using a pool noodle in its place.  We've still got the other one, though it's a little rough around the edges these days.  Fair snap in two if it gets moved much further.
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