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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2018, 05:45:32 pm »
Hey Jake, you do know that denim isn't animal and won't reproduce a denim homunculus no matter how many times you fap on it? Citation, the Laws of Nature.

Also, I always figure the ones who protest the loudest about homosexuality and the laws of nature doth protest too much.

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2018, 06:00:30 pm »
How is it between oversimplified and patently wrong? The reason why animals have sexual hormones is for reproduction. Otherwise they would reproduce asexually creating clones of themselves.

You think biology has objective purposes and you are under the impression that sex hormones are just a thing telling you to have sex more. That's just from one sentence.

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As for chemical castration, while I would ideally like to reproduce sexually, my sexual hormones never matured enough to be able to do so, given my jean fetish. So since I most likely won’t be able to produce children, then my sexual hormones are unnecessary.

"my sexual hormones never matured enough to be able to do so"

You have no idea how fetishes, hormones, evolution, and for all I know reproduction work. Probably should stop trying to derive ethics from it.

I know that there are evolutionary reasons why animals have certain traits and instincts. Every trait and instinct has an evolutionary purpose. Animals get horny during mating season.

And if you have an idea on how fetishes work, I would like to know, so I could treat my jean fetish so that it does not get in the way of normal sex.

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2018, 07:13:59 pm »
Every trait and instinct has an evolutionary purpose.

Ah, so does homosexuality have an evolutionary purpose?

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And if you have an idea on how fetishes work, I would like to know, so I could treat my jean fetish so that it does not get in the way of normal sex.

Getting rid of fetishes is generally infeasible. Integrate them with your sex life or figure out something else that turns you on. Definitely don't go around telling people your sexual hormones didn't mature.
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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2018, 07:42:34 pm »
Every trait and instinct has an evolutionary purpose.

Ah, so does homosexuality have an evolutionary purpose?

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And if you have an idea on how fetishes work, I would like to know, so I could treat my jean fetish so that it does not get in the way of normal sex.

Getting rid of fetishes is generally infeasible. Integrate them with your sex life or figure out something else that turns you on. Definitely don't go around telling people your sexual hormones didn't mature.

Every natural trait and instinct has an evolutionary purpose. In evolution there are also disorders and mutations. Homosexuality is a disorder because it prevents an organism from reproducing.

I know that getting rid of fetishes is impossible, but I heard about people with fetishes who were still able to have children, indicating that they had both the fetish, and were able to have normal sex. It seems like while getting rid of fetishes is impossible, but treating them so that you can have normal sex is. It is a major problem that I am so sexually attracted to a woman in jeans that I fail to be attracted to her naked body.

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2018, 07:59:11 pm »
Homosexuals can lay back and think of England, y'know, and these days could use a sperm bank... but more importantly, in the environment in which we evolved, homosexuality (or, rather, the tendency to produce homosexual children when a mother has many children) was a beneficial trait and thus selected for.

And anyway, evolution doesn't give a shit about your nationalism and ethnocentrism.
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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2018, 08:19:57 pm »
But in America the problem is not the population of Americans becoming larger, it is the population becoming smaller. There will not be enough Americans in the workforce and the Democrats and Rinos will use that as a justification for more open borders which would cause increase in crime, and American’s losing their jobs and adaquate wages as the immigrants will work for cheaper labor. With continued open borders, America will lose it’s culture as people from other cultures will displace the population of Americans and America would no longer be America.

America doesn't have a culture. At least not a unique culture that's distinctly "American", as you seem to imply. We're a nation of immigrants, and we've blended a lot of immigrant cultures together - French culture, German culture, English culture (a lot of those two), Italian culture, some Russian and Chinese culture, a dollop or two of Japanese and Thai and Vietnamese culture, a good measure of West African and even some Arabic culture. When more people join America and bring the beneficial elements of their own culture with them, this culture becomes part of American culture via assimilation. This is a good thing, even if it takes a while.
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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2018, 08:20:19 pm »
Homosexuals can lay back and think of England, y'know, and these days could use a sperm bank... but more importantly, in the environment in which we evolved, homosexuality (or, rather, the tendency to produce homosexual children when a mother has many children) was a beneficial trait and thus selected for.

And anyway, evolution doesn't give a shit about your nationalism and ethnocentrism.

Please provide a source that backs up your claim that the tendency to produce homosexual children is an evolutionary trait.

It is true that homosexuals could use a sperm bank, but isn’t it better that the child is raised by both his mother and father?

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2018, 08:32:40 pm »
Your fetish is the least annoying, and most normal, thing about you!

Also, gay people can and do have kids-all the time and plenty of straight people don't. It's an orientation, not a contraceptive!

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2018, 08:34:24 pm »
Scientists are looking into the "fraternal birth order" effect and it appears that it may have something to do with the immune system: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2156010-we-may-know-why-younger-brothers-are-more-likely-to-be-gay/

As for children being raised by a mother and father rather than a same-sex couple...

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-children-better-off-with-a-mother-and-father-than-with-same-sex-parents-82313
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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2018, 08:46:15 pm »
But in America the problem is not the population of Americans becoming larger, it is the population becoming smaller. There will not be enough Americans in the workforce and the Democrats and Rinos will use that as a justification for more open borders which would cause increase in crime, and American’s losing their jobs and adaquate wages as the immigrants will work for cheaper labor. With continued open borders, America will lose it’s culture as people from other cultures will displace the population of Americans and America would no longer be America.

America doesn't have a culture. At least not a unique culture that's distinctly "American", as you seem to imply. We're a nation of immigrants, and we've blended a lot of immigrant cultures together - French culture, German culture, English culture (a lot of those two), Italian culture, some Russian and Chinese culture, a dollop or two of Japanese and Thai and Vietnamese culture, a good measure of West African and even some Arabic culture. When more people join America and bring the beneficial elements of their own culture with them, this culture becomes part of American culture via assimilation. This is a good thing, even if it takes a while.

America has Anglo Saxon culture with it’s freedoms and practices based on the traditions of England. Back when immigration was more restricted with far less immigrants coming in, it was easier for immigrants from Europe, Japan etc to assimilate into American culture and learn the English language. However with open borders allowing immigrants from all countries to come to America, it causes so many immigrants from so many cultures including the barbaric culture of Islam, coming in that it is impossible to assimilate them. While I have my own criticisms of Trump, he has been doing a good job at protecting our country through his immigration restrictions.

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2018, 08:53:30 pm »
America does not have open borders, you have an entire federal agency dedicated to locking up and deporting migrants already in your country and another federal police force watching your airports which is internationally famous for its paranoia and zealotary to the point of black comedy. Which planet do you live on?

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2018, 09:07:21 pm »
America does not have open borders, you have an entire federal agency dedicated to locking up and deporting migrants already in your country and another federal police force watching your airports which is internationally famous for its paranoia and zealotary to the point of black comedy. Which planet do you live on?

That is what I was saying. Trump has done a good job at securing the borders and deporting illegal immigrants.

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2018, 09:15:48 pm »
Every natural trait and instinct has an evolutionary purpose. In evolution there are also disorders and mutations. Homosexuality is a disorder because it prevents an organism from reproducing.

I guess that's a no, then. Maybe you should notice how often you seem to be making statements you need to retract.

Also that's not what "disorder" means, but it's not like I'm surprised you don't know something.

(I could start listing sexually reproducing species where individual organisms explicitly take non-reproductive roles as part of the standard functioning of the species, but let's be honest, you're gonna say something uninformed and refuse to learn anything in response)

So instead here's a fun question, is the Christian norm of waiting until marriage to have sex a disorder? It also prevents organisms from reproducing.

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I know that getting rid of fetishes is impossible, but I heard about people with fetishes who were still able to have children, indicating that they had both the fetish, and were able to have normal sex.

Well, that's a blatantly wrong assumption. Non-"normal" sex can also result in kids.

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It seems like while getting rid of fetishes is impossible, but treating them so that you can have normal sex is. It is a major problem that I am so sexually attracted to a woman in jeans that I fail to be attracted to her naked body.

If you're not attracted to women, that's not because you're attracted to jeans. You can in fact be attracted to multiple different things simultaneously (I'm attracted to both men and women, for example).

Your problem is either you're not attracted to women at all (i.e. you're gay or ace), or you don't know how to identify sexual attraction outside your fetish. The first is perfectly ok and there's really not much you can do about it, so I'd suggest learning to accept it. If it's the second, well. You should probably look for more varied porn.
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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2018, 09:16:03 pm »
Scientists are looking into the "fraternal birth order" effect and it appears that it may have something to do with the immune system: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2156010-we-may-know-why-younger-brothers-are-more-likely-to-be-gay/

As for children being raised by a mother and father rather than a same-sex couple...

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-children-better-off-with-a-mother-and-father-than-with-same-sex-parents-82313

Ok so the articles that the antibodies in the mother’s immune system may be what causes their son’s to be gay. However as I said, being gay in most cases does not prevent someone from being able to have a heterosexual marriage.

And using common sense, children are better off with a mother and father, because it gives them both a masculine and feminine influence on their upbringing. It is a biological fact that men are more muscular than women so a father would be needed to save a child in a dangerous situation such as when someone has to fight an upductor. And a mother is needed to breastfeed the babies, have maternal hormonal instincts when their children are young and are the best at comforting them when they get hurt.

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Re: What the Bible says about homosexuality
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2018, 09:28:46 pm »
Every natural trait and instinct has an evolutionary purpose. In evolution there are also disorders and mutations. Homosexuality is a disorder because it prevents an organism from reproducing.

I guess that's a no, then. Maybe you should notice how often you seem to be making statements you need to retract.

Also that's not what "disorder" means, but it's not like I'm surprised you don't know something.

(I could start listing sexually reproducing species where individual organisms explicitly take non-reproductive roles as part of the standard functioning of the species, but let's be honest, you're gonna say something uninformed and refuse to learn anything in response)

So instead here's a fun question, is the Christian norm of waiting until marriage to have sex a disorder? It also prevents organisms from reproducing.

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I know that getting rid of fetishes is impossible, but I heard about people with fetishes who were still able to have children, indicating that they had both the fetish, and were able to have normal sex.

Well, that's a blatantly wrong assumption. Non-"normal" sex can also result in kids.

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It seems like while getting rid of fetishes is impossible, but treating them so that you can have normal sex is. It is a major problem that I am so sexually attracted to a woman in jeans that I fail to be attracted to her naked body.

If you're not attracted to women, that's not because you're attracted to jeans. You can in fact be attracted to multiple different things simultaneously (I'm attracted to both men and women, for example).

Your problem is either you're not attracted to women at all (i.e. you're gay or ace), or you don't know how to identify sexual attraction outside your fetish. The first is perfectly ok and there's really not much you can do about it, so I'd suggest learning to accept it. If it's the second, well. You should probably look for more varied porn.

Well ability to reproduce is an important trait that organisms naturally have. And please list the species that organisms have non reproductive roles?

And no, saving sex till marriage is not a disorder, because it forms the natural family unit with both a mother and father to raise the children.

And it is the second. I do not know how to sexually identify myself and masterbate outside of my fetish. And I do not watch porn videos as my Christian beliefs make me consider pornography immoral and exploitive of women. But in terms of looking up images, what would you consider to be varied?