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Title: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: anti-nonsense on January 04, 2012, 03:05:40 am
I AM BRINGING BACK THIS THREAD (even though I never posted in the old one)

Anyway, I hate it when they say that people choose to go to Hell, because that's just really dumb, I also hate it when they say you can't understand the Bible unless you accept Jebus as your Personal Slaver....oops I meant Saviour, not.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 04, 2012, 06:21:48 am
I personally can't freaking stand it when people equate "Christian" with "good". This also goes for somehow thinking faith is a praiseworthy quality.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheUnknown on January 04, 2012, 06:32:21 am
I personally can't freaking stand it when people equate "Christian" with "good". This also goes for somehow thinking faith is a praiseworthy quality.

This.  It's annoying reading a story about a criminal and how nobody suspected it because "he was a church-going man."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 04, 2012, 02:24:39 pm
I personally can't freaking stand it when people equate "Christian" with "good". This also goes for somehow thinking faith is a praiseworthy quality.

This.  It's annoying reading a story about a criminal and how nobody suspected it because "he was a church-going man."
Like Dennis Rader.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 04, 2012, 04:57:52 pm
I also hate any expression claiming that we choose to go to hell.  It's similar to saying you choose to get shot for disobeying the robber with a gun. 

-"We all deserve to go to hell".  No we do not.  Hell is the scariest and more terrifying concept known to man.  It's supposed to be worse than anything else on earth.  To say we deserve that is to say we deserve every other bad thing that happens on earth.  And to say we deserve the worst is emotionally abusive and traumatizing. 

-"Spare the rob, spoil the child" the child abusers favorite verse.  All corporal punishment defenders quote this, claiming that since it's in the bible, we can't deny it, which leads to another one.

-"Are you calling god a liar?" no dickhead, I'm calling you a liar.  You are the one who's talking, not god. 

-
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Da Rat Bastid on January 04, 2012, 05:34:36 pm
-"Spare the rob, spoil the child" the child abusers favorite verse.  All corporal punishment defenders quote this, claiming that since it's in the bible, we can't deny it, which leads to another one.

No, Rageaholic. *shakes head* Not all.

The rest of your post is spot-on, though.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Sleepy on January 04, 2012, 05:40:25 pm
I personally can't freaking stand it when people equate "Christian" with "good". This also goes for somehow thinking faith is a praiseworthy quality.

This.  It's annoying reading a story about a criminal and how nobody suspected it because "he was a church-going man."

Yeah, that annoys the shit out of me, and I see it all the time on the news. A reporter will go to a town and visit the neighbors of a convicted criminal, only to have them all say something like, "I never thought he was capable of doing something like this. He was a good Christian, I saw him in church every Sunday." That means absolutely nothing, jackhole. Religion is not a prerequisite for morality, and it's not a free pass that grants you a little badge of innocence.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: ironbite on January 04, 2012, 06:26:03 pm
"let God sort it out"

Ironbite-but I'll be dead by then.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 04, 2012, 07:56:00 pm
-"Spare the rod, spoil the child" the child abusers favorite verse.  All corporal punishment defenders quote this, claiming that since it's in the bible, we can't deny it, which leads to another one.

Fixed that a little bit for you.

The thing, though, is that the rod in question is that hook thing that Shepards use.  What do they use it for?

To pull sheep away from dangerous things.  Not to hit the sheep with (though I'm sure many shepards have been tempted to do so and have indeed followed through)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 04, 2012, 07:58:02 pm
"Christians are an oppressed religious group!"

Case in point: http://www.christianpersecution.info/ (http://www.christianpersecution.info/)

No, you're not oppressed in the slightest, unless your definition of "oppressed" is "being forced to comply to the First Amendment."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 04, 2012, 07:59:35 pm
I'll just bring over what I said from the other forum:

Gott Mit Uns or 'God with us'. The use of it I hate because of many reasons.

I also don't like "the Lord sent me here to tell you" did He now?

And this one: "I'll pray for you." I get this too damn much. Lady (it's almost always women), I don't need praying for. Not for my Soul, not to get better. Not for anything. Maybe it makes you feel better but it doesn't help me. You want to help me? Cook me a meal, donate to science, donate to your local hospital, give me gas money. But praying does squat for me.

"Invite Jesus into your heart" I did that when I was in CCD and again when I left the RCC and moved on. The way this is used is a way of trying to turn gay people straight, etc., Just... eugh.

"The Lord works in mysterious ways" Hm. Does He really? This phrase is usually said after a natural disaster and is sometimes said in the same breath as "it was God's will". God's a dick, then, I guess if it was His will to kill a bunch of people and destroy homes and families and lives.

"____ is Satanism in disguise!" [used against me when it came to Wicca]

Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 04, 2012, 08:03:23 pm
"____ is Satanism in disguise!" [used against me when it came to Wicca]

No, Satanism is just showmanship crossed with Randroidism. It's not a religion and it will not give you magic powers.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 05, 2012, 01:11:04 am
All variations of the following:

- "Jesus is the reason for the season! It's CHRIST-mas."
- "Don't cast pearls before swine."
- "It was all part of God's plan", in response to tragedy and suffering.
- "We are in the world, but not of the world."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 05, 2012, 01:16:42 am
"We are in the world, but not of the world."

(http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/my-brain-is-full-of-fuck.thumbnail.png)

Seriously... what is that supposed to mean?!?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 05, 2012, 01:33:17 am
Seriously... what is that supposed to mean?!?

They believe the world is an evil, dirty place, and that they're spiritually reborn/cleansed of original sin upon converting to Christianity, thereby becoming a child of heaven rather than a child of man (referring to their souls rather than their physical bodies). Or something.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: jumpingjackflash on January 05, 2012, 01:48:44 am
"Christians are an oppressed religious group!"

(http://www.goldrush.com/~ladyhawklh/ChristianHelp.gif)

Yep.  ;)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 05, 2012, 01:54:49 am
"We are in the world, but not of the world."

(http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/my-brain-is-full-of-fuck.thumbnail.png)

Seriously... what is that supposed to mean?!?

From what I gather, it's a stupid marketing gimmick trying to sell Christianity by making it seem out there to young folks. Because if logic prevails, if they aren't off this world, they should stop bothering it.

Re: Christianity is a minority:

http://www.wbaltv.com/family/30030254/detail.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It turns out, Christianity is the biggest religion. The only places where they seem to be a persecuted minority happens to be in Islamic countries and possibly India/Burma.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: StallChaser on January 05, 2012, 05:39:52 am
It's especially annoying when people say "I believe in freedom of religion," when they really mean their religion should be forced on others.  Closely related to that is "It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion!"

This is when I love to bring up religions other than their own.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Auri-El on January 05, 2012, 09:44:09 am
Not a particular phrase, but I hate the No True Christian (TM) mindset a lot of fundies have going on. Norwegian dude slaughters a bunch of kids? "Oh, but he's not a real Christian, he just thinks he is." Um, it doesn't work like that. Sometimes people do shitty things, and sometimes they're Christian. It doesn't mean Christianity is invalid, it just means it's not the perfect religion. Which they should know already.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: N. De Plume on January 05, 2012, 10:19:22 am
Pretty much any phrase that has ever been used to justify being an asshole. Especially if the phrase is one that originally meant something else.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Da Rat Bastid on January 05, 2012, 10:56:44 am
"Salvation comes through faith, not works."  ::)

*addressing a hypothetical fundie*

First, if you're saying that, you're arguing that you have a literal God-given right to be an asshole.  What does that say about your strength of character?

Second, if you're saying that now, why don't you try saying it when your church passes around the collection plate?  I suspect that your priest will inform you that tithing is a good work that is required, after all.

Third, and arguably most of all, you faithful few only seem to apply that "works don't matter" litany about yourselves (see point #1).  If it is true that all a believer needs to do to get off God's shit list is believe, then it shouldn't matter what music you like, or what movies you watch, or with whom/how often/in what positions you have sex, or whether/how often you drink alcohol, or anything else of the sort.  Yet, when the subject of various "immoral" activities comes up, it seems to be people like you who complain the loudest about how we need to stop causing the world to fall apart by means of our "immorality". ::)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Aqualung on January 05, 2012, 11:16:40 am
"You can't be Catholic/Christian AND pro-choice" --Seen on bumper stickers.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheUnknown on January 05, 2012, 12:31:50 pm
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First, if you're saying that, you're arguing that you have a literal God-given right to be an asshole.

Actually, I've seen someone on Rapture Ready give an explanation that came off as saying this.  Basically, this lady, who apparently spent her whole life believing that only Christians were capable of being good, kind people, had a crisis of faith when she found out that a nice lady she worked with was actually an atheist.  She said that after trying to reconcile this with her views, she came up with this explanation: 

The reason why atheists are able to be good people is because the devil doesn't need to work to lead them astray, since they're already destined for hell for being atheist.  Christians who are assholes are only assholes because the devil is trying really hard to lead them astray since their faith is so strong.  This means that horrible, nasty Christians are still more righteous and better people than genuinely kind atheists.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 05, 2012, 01:45:39 pm
"It takes more faith to be an atheist."

"I'll be praying for you." (When it isn't used for a person who is injured or ill, but rather as a snide remark.)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Random Gal on January 05, 2012, 01:53:45 pm
"God said it, I believe it, that settles it."

Usually said in response to evolution, and generally means "I don't care about the evidence; if it disagrees with my religion, it has to be wrong."

Also, any time someone claims that God regularly speaks to them as if it was some casual thing, like "I was going to preach a different sermon, but the Holy Spirit kept telling me..."

Finally, "It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Jebediah on January 05, 2012, 02:05:46 pm
I dislike it when people thank God when the credit really belongs to someone else.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 05, 2012, 05:57:45 pm
"Christians are an oppressed religious group!"

(http://www.goldrush.com/~ladyhawklh/ChristianHelp.gif)

Yep.  ;)

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/403/picture1hr.png)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 05, 2012, 06:13:37 pm
"You can't be Catholic/Christian AND pro-choice" --Seen on bumper stickers.
Fun fact: being pro-choice and a Catholic makes you a heretic, and thus you incur on an automatic excommunication. You don't cease to be Catholic, though, since in the eyes of the RCC it's simply not possible to stop being a Catholic.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Jebediah on January 05, 2012, 07:16:29 pm
"You can't be Catholic/Christian AND pro-choice" --Seen on bumper stickers.
Fun fact: being pro-choice and a Catholic makes you a heretic, and thus you incur on an automatic excommunication. You don't cease to be Catholic, though, since in the eyes of the RCC it's simply not possible to stop being a Catholic.

My mom likes to remind me of this whenever I mention being an atheist.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 05, 2012, 07:21:45 pm
"Atheists are inherently immoral!" / "Atheism causes all the bad shit in the world!"

As so disgustingly stated by our good friend Rabbi Maverick. Again. http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/01/03/atheism-and-pedophilia-part-ii-the-incoherent-moral-philosophy-of-michael-ruse/ (http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/01/03/atheism-and-pedophilia-part-ii-the-incoherent-moral-philosophy-of-michael-ruse/)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 05, 2012, 09:42:15 pm
I dislike it when people thank God when the credit really belongs to someone else.

Or worse, when they try to take credit for it by mentioning that they were praying for God's intervention.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 06, 2012, 12:14:50 am
When they talk about being a minority, I think they may be refering to the "True Christians".  In other words, the ones who aren't BATSHIT CRAZY like them. 

"Salvation comes through faith, not works."  ::)

*addressing a hypothetical fundie*

First, if you're saying that, you're arguing that you have a literal God-given right to be an asshole.  What does that say about your strength of character?

Second, if you're saying that now, why don't you try saying it when your church passes around the collection plate?  I suspect that your priest will inform you that tithing is a good work that is required, after all.

Third, and arguably most of all, you faithful few only seem to apply that "works don't matter" litany about yourselves (see point #1).  If it is true that all a believer needs to do to get off God's shit list is believe, then it shouldn't matter what music you like, or what movies you watch, or with whom/how often/in what positions you have sex, or whether/how often you drink alcohol, or anything else of the sort.  Yet, when the subject of various "immoral" activities comes up, it seems to be people like you who complain the loudest about how we need to stop causing the world to fall apart by means of our "immorality". ::)

That's the biggest mindfuck when it comes to evangelical Christians.  They complain about sin and all that, but apparently all you need is Jesus (which makes no sense anyway).  The best explaination I've heard (and that's not saying much) is that somehow good works are proof that you are saved.  So if you're "truely saved", you'll see it in your works.  However that still raises many other questions regarding free will and all that. 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Smurfette Principle on January 06, 2012, 01:18:53 am
Also, any time someone claims that God regularly speaks to them as if it was some casual thing, like "I was going to preach a different sermon, but the Holy Spirit kept telling me..."

This. I love my Christian friend to pieces, but she dropped out of her first college and recently broke up with her first boyfriend (who was genuinely in love with her) because "I talked to God and he told me to." Even when I was Catholic I didn't believe that God spoke to you. I remember trying to get God to talk to me before realizing I was simply supplying the answers myself.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: anti-nonsense on January 06, 2012, 03:46:19 am
Also, any time someone claims that God regularly speaks to them as if it was some casual thing, like "I was going to preach a different sermon, but the Holy Spirit kept telling me..."

This. I love my Christian friend to pieces, but she dropped out of her first college and recently broke up with her first boyfriend (who was genuinely in love with her) because "I talked to God and he told me to." Even when I was Catholic I didn't believe that God spoke to you. I remember trying to get God to talk to me before realizing I was simply supplying the answers myself.

that's just sad.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 06, 2012, 05:37:52 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 06, 2012, 05:42:24 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"
Gee, what could a species that, largely through learning to co-operate with astronomical numbers of each other, went on to totally and irreversably dominate the entire world, possibly stand to gain by helping each other? It's a fucking mystery, I tells ya!
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: DarkfireTaimatsu on January 06, 2012, 05:52:02 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

If algebra is true, then why eat vegetables?

(Answer: Because you hate yourself.)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: N. De Plume on January 06, 2012, 08:53:07 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

Why not help the poor?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Jebediah on January 06, 2012, 09:02:52 am
I dislike it when people thank God when the credit really belongs to someone else.

Or worse, when they try to take credit for it by mentioning that they were praying for God's intervention.

Yeah, that one's worse.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: ironbite on January 06, 2012, 10:46:18 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

The logic of that statement...just kills my brain.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Auri-El on January 06, 2012, 10:50:24 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

Except they don't want to help the poor anyway, so...
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 06, 2012, 12:11:43 pm
I don't like ANY of the common shit-eatingly-superior, holier-than-thou, smug religious phrases that get bandied about (primarily by Christians, it seems, but that may be to do with my exposure rather than any legitimate trend), few of them annoy me as much as these: 'I'll pray for you', 'I hope you open your heart/mind', and 'Come to the light/truth'. Or anything based on them. They just make my 'STFU and GTFO' meter ratchet off the charts.

It isn't JUST that they're invariably said with the kind of smug self-righteousness of a person arrogantly convinced against all evidence that their view and theirs alone is the right one--it's what's implied. Implied is that not only do I not know any better (and you clearly know much better regardless of your educational background and knowledge base), but that your wish is not for me to be more open-minded and accepting but that my actual brain function is re-programmed to suit YOUR opinions. You don't want me to understand your point of view--you want me to ADOPT it for MYSELF and you're going to ask your all-powerful imaginary friend to do it TO ME, whether I want it or not, potentially against my will. Actually altering the way I think and the way my mind works.

That makes you an asshole, and an insecure one who can't tolerate the existence of different opinions, at that.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 06, 2012, 12:29:28 pm
From my experience, a good majority of religious phrases are said with such smugness and unwarranted self-righteousness that it makes your teeth grind. "God has reveal the answer to you, you just have to listen" I've been listening fool! Why don't you listen?!
"Scientists don't agree on evolution" - no, fool, scientist don't agree on the individual aspects of evolution. Their are mountains of evidences that says scientist agree with evolution.
I'v heard one "professor" (even though he wasn't) say "I'm a biologist so I know evolution is false". Of course there were several other biologists on the blog that disagreed with him.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 06, 2012, 12:38:21 pm
Using the existence of professional disagreement with regard to the minute details of evolution as 'proof' that it's made up or never occurred is pretty pointless when there are mountains of evidence pointing to the exact same conclusion.

It's like asking the guests of a party to write as detailed a play-by-play summary of it as they can after the fact, and then pointing to the differences in the eyewitness testimony as 'proof' that the party never happened at all and ignoring the people passed out on the sofa, the property damage, the police reports, the food/drink consumed and spilled, and all the other evidence left by the party and guests.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 06, 2012, 01:03:19 pm
I hate all Christspeak as I like to call it.  It's all so pretentious, so condescending, and so "righteous" sounding.  As if they are not talking to you but at you.  Here's one from an "ex gay" I found up on youtube that's full of that spooky, "mysterious" sounding language that just makes Christians look stupid and annoying.

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So it offends you that I constantly rebuke you as you travel to different sites to attack gays, and even children who are expressing their pain. You are too often the source of that pain, which is why you need to be condemned. You are constantly condemning others to hell, and attacking decent people. Then have the audacity to criticize them because they used a curse word. You are a curse, and care little about the language these kids use,. You seek only to harrass them.

Words like "rebuke", "Curse" and "condemn" because they are used in bible translations and they think that talking like a bible makes them more holy or something.  I think it makes them sound like a fuckin' douchebag myself. 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 06, 2012, 04:57:29 pm
Any variation on the theme of "Atheists just reject God as an excuse to live a life of debauchery"
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Canadian Mojo on January 06, 2012, 05:09:51 pm
I find anyone who claims to essentially know the mind of god and therefore able to speak on god's behalf annoying. If you accept that god does exist then it is an entity that created the entire universe, knows its past, present, and future in minute detail, and can change it at will. I'm willing to bet you can't describe how every system in your car works and interacts with one another, and this is so many orders of magnitude above that level of understanding it is literally unimaginable. But I'm supposed to believe you when you say this latest disaster in some far off place is because god hates fags or atheists or something.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 06, 2012, 05:22:01 pm
There's this book in the library called "The Truth of Homosexuality"

In reality, it's just more conservative propaganda, but the title infuriates me.

It shouldn't be allowed to be called "The Truth" if it is, in fact, nothing but lies.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 06, 2012, 05:49:24 pm
To off Zachski, when fundies claim you are oppressing truth when you present facts against their claims. They also say "You're labeling truth as hate speech".  ::)

Yeah I saw NARTH book at the public library too.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 06, 2012, 06:44:30 pm
Any variation on the theme of "Atheists just reject God as an excuse to live a life of debauchery"

This, as well as 'you just deny god/choose not to believe because it's EASIER!'

Right, because in most societies there is NOTHING easier, more socially acceptable, more popular, or a better way to make a lasting good impression on people than to hold a different (bonus points for being controversial) belief and opposing opinions from the norm. Nothin' better than being a non-believer among fundies or homosexual among straight people. And it doesn't drive up the depression and suicide rates, either. Nope. Everybody makes big decisions like this because they're much easier to live with!

(Edited for excessive Sentence Structure Fail on my part.)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 06, 2012, 06:50:06 pm
Once I was at a local Mexican restaurant and I picked up a tract from a pile called "Evolution and Christianity." It starts out promisingly enough, and it even got the definition of the theory of evolution right. Later on, it even conceded that creationism is science, not faith, and should not and cannot be proven. For a second, I was hopeful that maybe this wouldn't be so bad. I was wrong. The next part said this:

Q. What is meant by calling evolution a theory? What is a theory?

The simplest definition is that a theory is an unproven idea that is intended to explain something. For example, we all observe light, yet has anyone ever been able to explain exactly what light is?

(http://animediet.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kyonfacepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: ironbite on January 06, 2012, 06:53:53 pm
Anything that has to do with women.  Often it is wrong and outdated and sometimes just...dangerous.

Ironbite-really dangerous.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on January 06, 2012, 07:46:20 pm
Any variation on the theme of "Atheists just reject God as an excuse to live a life of debauchery"

Similarly, any variation on the theme of "Pagans are just pretending to worship those gods so they can eat babies/have massive orgies/act out Harry Potter and call it a religion!!"

I shouldn't have to explain what's wrong with that.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: N. De Plume on January 06, 2012, 08:02:56 pm
Q. What is meant by calling evolution a theory? What is a theory?

The simplest definition is that a theory is an unproven idea that is intended to explain something. For example, we all observe light, yet has anyone ever been able to explain exactly what light is?

Oh, for the love of—!

I’m usually not the smacking type, but someone deserves a severe smack upside the head. I just don’t know what tool to use.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Auri-El on January 06, 2012, 08:30:12 pm
Well, to be fair, light is confusing. I mean, is it a wave? Is it a particle? This is all too much for fundie minds.

ON a more serious note, given how often fundies are behind the times scientifically, maybe they really don't know anything more than that about light.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 06, 2012, 09:09:22 pm
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

The logic of that statement...just kills my brain.

I think they're confusing evolution with natural selection/survival of the fittest. Which is all kinds of wrong.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: N. De Plume on January 06, 2012, 09:20:28 pm
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

The logic of that statement...just kills my brain.

I think they're confusing evolution with natural selection/survival of the fittest. Which is all kinds of wrong.

Even so, they clearly don’t even know what survival of the fittest means. Whoever came up with the term “Social Darwinism” shoulda gotten a smack upside the head, too. With a jackhammer.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 06, 2012, 09:24:39 pm
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

The logic of that statement...just kills my brain.

I think they're confusing evolution with natural selection/survival of the fittest. Which is all kinds of wrong.

Even so, they clearly don’t even know what survival of the fittest means. Whoever came up with the term “Social Darwinism” shoulda gotten a smack upside the head, too. With a jackhammer.

If Social Darwinism lived up to its name, it would actually encourage caring for and protecting other members of the community so that the population remains stable and healthy.

It's just its common usage that means Fuck-You-Type Randroidism.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 06, 2012, 10:12:01 pm
Any variation on the theme of "Atheists just reject God as an excuse to live a life of debauchery"

Oh I hate those ones.  Any one trying to read my mind or tell me what I'm thinking PISSES ME OFF.  A lot of people do it, but Christians are the worst offenders.

There's this book in the library called "The Truth of Homosexuality"

In reality, it's just more conservative propaganda, but the title infuriates me.

It shouldn't be allowed to be called "The Truth" if it is, in fact, nothing but lies.

"Truth" is just another word like to throw around, as if using it will make it more true.  Thing is, their "truth" is never good news, it's always doom and gloom. 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 07, 2012, 12:13:12 am

There's this book in the library called "The Truth of Homosexuality"

In reality, it's just more conservative propaganda, but the title infuriates me.

It shouldn't be allowed to be called "The Truth" if it is, in fact, nothing but lies.

"Truth" is just another word like to throw around, as if using it will make it more true.  Thing is, their "truth" is never good news, it's always doom and gloom. 

(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/10/6/60a8fcee-f5b8-4d80-8100-ad5306053192.jpg)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: anti-nonsense on January 07, 2012, 04:18:59 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

The logic of that statement...just kills my brain.

I think they're confusing evolution with natural selection/survival of the fittest. Which is all kinds of wrong.

Even so, they clearly don’t even know what survival of the fittest means. Whoever came up with the term “Social Darwinism” shoulda gotten a smack upside the head, too. With a jackhammer.

If Social Darwinism lived up to its name, it would actually encourage caring for and protecting other members of the community so that the population remains stable and healthy.

It's just its common usage that means Fuck-You-Type Randroidism.

not only that, but they think science has anything to do with morality, that scientists think that because things work a certain way in the natural world that's the way things should work in society.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 07, 2012, 04:24:01 am
Found a new one: "If Evolution is true, why help the poor?"

The logic of that statement...just kills my brain.

I think they're confusing evolution with natural selection/survival of the fittest. Which is all kinds of wrong.

Even so, they clearly don’t even know what survival of the fittest means. Whoever came up with the term “Social Darwinism” shoulda gotten a smack upside the head, too. With a jackhammer.

If Social Darwinism lived up to its name, it would actually encourage caring for and protecting other members of the community so that the population remains stable and healthy.

It's just its common usage that means Fuck-You-Type Randroidism.

not only that, but they think science has anything to do with morality, that scientists think that because things work a certain way in the natural world that's the way things should work in society.

Science doesn't provide "oughts." It provides "is's." What you do with those "is's" is up to you.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: anti-nonsense on January 07, 2012, 05:33:42 am
I think it's because their religion tells them both how the world works and about morality and they think science is a religion so they think it must have something to do with morality. Or something.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ranger_Joe on January 07, 2012, 03:06:12 pm
I really hate the "tornado in a junkyard" or the "watchmaker" arguments...they really just make my blood boil.

Or, the whole, "If we let gays marry, then what's to stop people from marrying a child or their dog? Or a tree?"

It's like a blatant dishonest standpoint that they know full well is going over the top. Gah..Rage. lol
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 07, 2012, 03:10:17 pm
I wonder if any of the 'WHY NOT MARRY A TREE, HERPDERP!!' people realize that there are several people in the world who have indeed married inanimate objects (one woman quite famously married the Eiffel Tower)? It's hardly the norm and raises eyebrows wherever it happens, but the point is it HAPPENS.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ranger_Joe on January 07, 2012, 03:43:37 pm
I wonder if any of the 'WHY NOT MARRY A TREE, HERPDERP!!' people realize that there are several people in the world who have indeed married inanimate objects (one woman quite famously married the Eiffel Tower)? It's hardly the norm and raises eyebrows wherever it happens, but the point is it HAPPENS.

Yet, the idea of two consenting adults of the same gender getting married is forbidden. I mean, come on...it's..Icky. Unless it's two women, then it's hot.

Wow...that last part was a bit painful to type, but you definitely encounter these people too. The ones who are so adamant that homosexual marriage is against God and that it would lead to our destruction as a society, yet will comment in loud and crude fashions about how hot it is if they see two girls making out in a bar.

Essentially, men can't marry men because that sex is gross. Women kissing and doing things to each other is hot. It's neanderthal-like thinking. They write one off as disgusting and sexualize the other, and hide it behind God.

Behold. The Republican Frat Boy.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 07, 2012, 03:52:45 pm
I've actually encountered a lot more of those people than probably make up the actual percentage in the homophobe population--'guy on guy is wrong, girl on girl is okay!' I thought it was a parody until I met people who actually thought that. At least across-the-board homophobes are consistent about their hate. They're still hateful assbiscuits, but they're not hypocrites (at least not with regard to that).

'Republican fratboy' is a pretty good descriptive term.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Random Gal on January 07, 2012, 04:45:48 pm
I wonder if any of the 'WHY NOT MARRY A TREE, HERPDERP!!' people realize that there are several people in the world who have indeed married inanimate objects (one woman quite famously married the Eiffel Tower)? It's hardly the norm and raises eyebrows wherever it happens, but the point is it HAPPENS.

Let's not forget this woman (http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/woman-marries-dolphin/2006/01/01/1136050339590.html).
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: ironbite on January 07, 2012, 05:49:48 pm
I think the reason people who scream left and right "MEN KISSING IS GROSS!" then turn around and go "Damn two girls going at it is hot" secretly fantasize about being the one to "turn" the two lesbians.  I mean, it is hot to see two fine looking birds mashing their lady parts together but for some people, it's the fact they want to get involved is what is so turning on.  And then again, Woman laying with woman as with man is not forbidden in the bible so it's not hard-coded into these people like man on man sex is.

Ironbite-it's...interesting.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 07, 2012, 05:54:16 pm
I think the reason people who scream left and right "MEN KISSING IS GROSS!" then turn around and go "Damn two girls going at it is hot" secretly fantasize about being the one to "turn" the two lesbians.  I mean, it is hot to see two fine looking birds mashing their lady parts together but for some people, it's the fact they want to get involved is what is so turning on.  And then again, Woman laying with woman as with man is not forbidden in the bible so it's not hard-coded into these people like man on man sex is.

Ironbite-it's...interesting.

I knew a guy like this on another forum. He was in the U.S. Army and supported DADT. He said that DADT was to "protect" gay people in the military. That's why they weren't allowed to disclose their sexual orientation - because it was to "protect" them (probably from homophobes like the guy who held that opinion).
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 07, 2012, 06:20:59 pm
I've actually seen some fundies explicitly say that female-on-female sex is perfectly okay* by God, it's male-on-male sex that is explicitly forbidden.

*Okay as in "it pleases men, which is what women are supposed to do"
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 07, 2012, 06:26:01 pm
I've actually seen some fundies explicitly say that female-on-female sex is perfectly okay* by God, it's male-on-male sex that is explicitly forbidden.

*Okay as in "it pleases men, which is what women are supposed to do"

To be fair, Leviticus only said men laying with men was forbidden. It didn't say anything about women lying with women.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on January 07, 2012, 06:29:05 pm
I've actually seen some fundies explicitly say that female-on-female sex is perfectly okay* by God, it's male-on-male sex that is explicitly forbidden.

*Okay as in "it pleases men, which is what women are supposed to do"

To be fair, Leviticus only said men laying with men was forbidden. It didn't say anything about women lying with women.

Ah, but depending on how you read Leviticus, it might actually allow you to lie with either sex, providing you aren't having anal with women.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 07, 2012, 07:47:31 pm
I've actually seen some fundies explicitly say that female-on-female sex is perfectly okay* by God, it's male-on-male sex that is explicitly forbidden.

*Okay as in "it pleases men, which is what women are supposed to do"

To be fair, Leviticus only said men laying with men was forbidden. It didn't say anything about women lying with women.

Ah, but depending on how you read Leviticus, it might actually allow you to lie with either sex, providing you aren't having anal with women.

But then they'd just say "the sin of Sodom", which is vague because Sodom's sins wasn't about butt fucking. It's funny how they seem to only know  exactly one passage from Leviticus.

I have gotten "Have you ever tried to be straight". Yes I have actually. It only made things worse.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 07, 2012, 07:54:28 pm
I've actually seen some fundies explicitly say that female-on-female sex is perfectly okay* by God, it's male-on-male sex that is explicitly forbidden.

*Okay as in "it pleases men, which is what women are supposed to do"

To be fair, Leviticus only said men laying with men was forbidden. It didn't say anything about women lying with women.

Ah, but depending on how you read Leviticus, it might actually allow you to lie with either sex, providing you aren't having anal with women.

But then they'd just say "the sin of Sodom", which vague because Sodom's sins wasn't about butt fucking. It's funny how they seem to only know  exactly one passage from Leviticus.

I have gotten "Have you ever tried to be straight". Yes I have actually. It only made things worse.

When I told my mom I was bi, the first thing she asked me was, "Are you really bi, or do you just like the female body? Because you can still like the female body without being attracted to it..."

What did she think I meant?

She's actually a very tolerant and liberal person though. So she was mostly like "Okay, wanna watch some TV with me?"
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: StallChaser on January 08, 2012, 04:17:57 am
"God works in mysterious ways" can be used in two annoying ways.

1 - To hand wave away the issue of a supposedly just god allowing bad things to happen to good people.  It's one part condescension (There's an implied "You're just too stupid to understand."), and one part dodging the question and claiming victory.

2 - When arguing for YEC or any other religious myth they're trying to pass off as science.  It you're at all knowledgeable about science, and are a decent debater, their pseudoscience won't stand.  Rather than admit they're wrong, they'll just pull the plug on their argument and use that line like it's an instant win button.

Either way, saying "God works in mysterious ways" is a fundie way of admitting defeat without actually admitting defeat.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 08, 2012, 02:13:32 pm
Santorum said this but I've seen it so many times by other fundies that I just want the phrase to die in the corner:
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You may rationalize that that isn't true, but in your own life and in your own heart, you know it's true.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheUnknown on January 11, 2012, 11:43:47 am
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I can do that!....I think your right, but I'll go a step farther, I think we should be able to not only opt out of the financial burden but parents should have the right to kill their children at any age without retribution. I mean if were all 100% for a mothers right to kill a baby, and your advocating the fathers right not to be burdened with this responsibility, I think he should have the right to kill his child too, at any age, as soon as that baby comes out its fair game and he should be able to stick one of those metal straws in the back of its skull and suck its brains out.......I can only imagine a world that takes so little stock in the value of life, buts its your perfect world I imagine........I would imagine the killing of babies not be the only place this society would find a need to eliminate people, I would imagine mentally challanged would be next, as they appear to be a financial burden on everyone, then as soon as an old person could nolonger greet people at Walmart they would be sent to the exit program, probably a well designed retirement facility that would help them exit our world in a quick mannor
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This argument, and any variation of it, can go fuck itself in the ass with a cactus that has rusted nails imbedded in it until it's shove so far in that it comes out of its mouth.  This includes the "Pro-choicers/deathers should be applauding this" and "She was just practicing her right to choose" comments you find in news stories where a child dies, especially if they're murdered by a parent.

Anti-choicers and forced birthers think this straw argument holds water even though it's been refuted almost every time it pops up.  It's like the "I guess the homo-advocates are just fine with people marrying animals and children" argument.  It's a reasonable argument for them because that's how they seriously view the world, even though the actual position that they're arguing against has refuted it time and again with specific reasons why the argument doesn't work.  This argument even ignores the fact that many pro-choicers are against late term abortions where the fetus is viable, except for for extreme case like health risks.

Come to think of it, what makes this argument especially ironic is that while these pro-lifers believe that pro-choicers would have no problem killing actual born children, there are those among them who have no problem with grown women dying by being forced to carry fetuses that their bodies are incapable of carrying without great risk.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 13, 2012, 04:20:54 pm
Ah the slippery slope fallacy.  Fundies take this to such ridiculous extremes that it's not funny.

-People being more open minded and questioning Christianity = Christians being a persecuted minority.
-Not beating your kids when they misbehave = letting them run wild and kill people.
-Allowing gay marriage = being able to marry goats. 

A couple more I hate.

"I'm not judging you, god is": Bullshit, you're judging me by speaking on god's behalf.
"Out of the mouth the heart speaks" (some bible verse): Used when ever someone gets angry at Christians to try to villainize non believers.  It's just more pretentious Christspeak. 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: czechmate on January 15, 2012, 02:58:31 pm
Virtually every religious phrase pisses me off. Being a DSc in Theology since 1949, I believe I've heard more than my fair share of this verbal diarrhoea, enough of which to fill the Indian Ocean.
Christianity must be the most bullshit of all manufactured religions, relying totally on plagiarised legends of previous cultures and changing the names to suit, finally coming out as the KJV written by a homosexual monarch under duress from his domineering mother forcing him to add her phobias.
Man is a curious animal. He cannot make a worm, yet be creating gods by dozens.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: calee022 on January 17, 2012, 03:17:28 pm
I attend meetings of a "12 Step Group". 99.9999% of the people there are religious, generally christians. 99.9% of the 99.9999% are perfectly able to accept that I am not in any way shape or form religious. It annoys the crap out of me when one of remaining .0999% of them, KNOWING that I am Atheist, tries to "help" me because they just KNOW that I am "struggling with the "god part of the program"".

Although the look on their faces when I say, "Oh no, I'm not struggling with it at all" can at times be priceless.

And the reaction from the person who suggested that "it wouldn't hurt to pray" when I suggested that it "wouldn't hurt for you to face Mecca and pray to Allah 5 times a day" was even better... If looks could maim, you'd be wheeling me around in a shopping cart.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 17, 2012, 08:47:23 pm
I don't really hate this one, per se, but it makes me wonder why religious people say it--obviously, they do so without really thinking about what it MEANS.

"IT TAKES WAY MORE FAITH TO BE AN ATHEIST/TRUST SCIENCE/BELIEVE EVOLUTION THAN IT DOES TO BELIEVE IN GOD!!"

...does it? So is that your way of saying that atheists have way, way more faith than your religious denomination? Isn't having tons of faith a GOOD thing, what all of you strive for? Those of us who don't give half a rat turd about faith actually succeed at it much better and with way less effort than you do?

Logic fail.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 17, 2012, 08:48:35 pm
I attend meetings of a "12 Step Group". 99.9999% of the people there are religious, generally christians. 99.9% of the 99.9999% are perfectly able to accept that I am not in any way shape or form religious. It annoys the crap out of me when one of remaining .0999% of them, KNOWING that I am Atheist, tries to "help" me because they just KNOW that I am "struggling with the "god part of the program"".

Although the look on their faces when I say, "Oh no, I'm not struggling with it at all" can at times be priceless.

And the reaction from the person who suggested that "it wouldn't hurt to pray" when I suggested that it "wouldn't hurt for you to face Mecca and pray to Allah 5 times a day" was even better... If looks could maim, you'd be wheeling me around in a shopping cart.

Were you forced to attend? 12-step always kinda bothered me...
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: calee022 on January 17, 2012, 08:56:52 pm
I attend meetings of a "12 Step Group". 99.9999% of the people there are religious, generally christians. 99.9% of the 99.9999% are perfectly able to accept that I am not in any way shape or form religious. It annoys the crap out of me when one of remaining .0999% of them, KNOWING that I am Atheist, tries to "help" me because they just KNOW that I am "struggling with the "god part of the program"".

Although the look on their faces when I say, "Oh no, I'm not struggling with it at all" can at times be priceless.

And the reaction from the person who suggested that "it wouldn't hurt to pray" when I suggested that it "wouldn't hurt for you to face Mecca and pray to Allah 5 times a day" was even better... If looks could maim, you'd be wheeling me around in a shopping cart.

Were you forced to attend? 12-step always kinda bothered me...

No, I go because it is the best way for me to keep clean and sober.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Jack Mann on January 17, 2012, 10:14:32 pm
There really need to be more non-religious 12-step alternatives.  The idea of having a group of people to talk to is a good one.  There should be options for atheists and the like, though.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Iczerfour on January 18, 2012, 12:44:45 am
the one i hate the most is the one my dad uses on me all the time.  "Everything needs a Creator Even your God and Goddess"  He dose not seem to see the contradiction in that comment..
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 18, 2012, 05:33:41 am
You know how I griped about how saying you'll pray for someone is just an easy way to get out of actually helping? I was reminded by this:

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Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: calee022 on January 18, 2012, 08:33:45 am
There really need to be more non-religious 12-step alternatives.  The idea of having a group of people to talk to is a good one.  There should be options for atheists and the like, though.

It would be nice...

I will say that things have changed in the last 25 years. I had 6 years clean in AA back then, and the intolerance was staggering. I ended up leaving because of it. Now I rarely encounter people who are truly scornful of my lack of religious beliefs, and when I do I take childish glee in tormenting them.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 18, 2012, 02:53:53 pm
This is a loved car decal:

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Real men love Jesus

/me smash
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 18, 2012, 06:14:39 pm
"God works in mysterious ways" can be used in two annoying ways.

You know, I don't think I've ever heard that phrase used in a non-annoying way. It's basically saying, "I don't know the answer, but I'm too stubborn to admit it."

I will say that things have changed in the last 25 years. I had 6 years clean in AA back then, and the intolerance was staggering. I ended up leaving because of it. Now I rarely encounter people who are truly scornful of my lack of religious beliefs, and when I do I take childish glee in tormenting them.

Congrats on all of your progress, Calee! It sounds like you've come a long way since you first posted about going into detox. :)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 18, 2012, 10:14:52 pm
This is a loved car decal:

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Real men love Jesus

/me smash

Every time I see that sticker, I have to fight an extremely childish impulse to add 'IN THE BUTT!!' to it with a sharpie.

Maturity can wait, I haven't finished being a brat yet!
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Cataclysm on January 18, 2012, 10:19:36 pm
Do it in washable so you'll feel less bad.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Joey on January 19, 2012, 09:33:43 am
"Jesus didn't really mean X"

Usually used by conservative fundies to refer verses like "Blessed are the peacemakers", "Beat your swords into plowshares", "Do not judge others", the entire sermon on the mount, the entire beatitudes, all of his statements concerning the rich and poor, etc.  Come to think of it, just about everything he said.

Funny how they bible is supposedly completely literal, except those parts they disagree with, then all the sudden it's figurative or means something else.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 19, 2012, 09:40:11 am
This is a loved car decal:

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Real men love Jesus

/me smash

Every time I see that sticker, I have to fight an extremely childish impulse to add 'IN THE BUTT!!' to it with a sharpie.

Maturity can wait, I haven't finished being a brat yet!

Oooh, you should add the Darwin fish legs to their little Jesus fish. You used to be able to buy sticker ones from the Darwin Awards website.

Edit; Unless that's considered defacing private property where you live. In which case I rescind that and instead shall advise you to not write and/or stick things on other people's cars.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 10:03:10 am
Funny how they bible is supposedly completely literal, except those parts they disagree with, then all the sudden it's figurative or means something else.
Funny? It is hilarious!
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rookie on January 19, 2012, 12:44:22 pm


Funny how they bible is supposedly completely literal, except those parts they disagree with, then all the sudden it's figurative or means something else.

I've even heard justifications for that. Some of my favorites include "Every word in the original language is from the mouth of god. It was the translators who screwed up." So some blame shifting. "You have to let the holy spirit be your guide when studying scriptures." Massage the message till it says what you want it to say, then call it divinely inspired. My favorite is one commonly used when dealing with drinking and the turning water into wine. "It wasn't wine, it was grape juice. But there was no word for grape juice. Anything you drank made from grapes was called wine back then." In other words, duck before that fact hits you in the head!
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 19, 2012, 04:24:44 pm
"You have to have faith"

A totally bullshit cop out when confronted with obvious contradictions.  These are usually the same people spouting their beliefs as truth, yet we're supposed to have faith that they are the right ones?  No.  It does not work that way.  The burdon of proof is on you to prove your beliefs, and claiming I need to have faith does nothing to prove it. 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Eniliad on January 19, 2012, 05:00:43 pm
Let me see...

"TRUTH" - the moment I read this word, I know further discussion is pointless. (Not that I often go off debating fundies.) The word harbors no argument; you cannot argue with facts, truths, etc. The problem is when you assign that word to subjective things like religious faith, which by definition cannot be facts or truth, because the word faith implies that you are accepting something as true without requiring evidence. Believe it or not, I don't have a problem with that - I'm perfectly willing to respect others' beliefs, but when you tell me that what I believe, based on evidence and the scientific method, are automatically invalidated by your "TRUTH", my opinion of you drops considerably.

"CAPS" - Hell, while I'm at it, any time anybody feels the needs to do the internet equivalent of yelling in my face by abusing the crap out of the Caps Lock button.

"Born Sinner" - Fundies love that phrase because it means the default behavior is immorality, and only through indoctrination can the newborn be "saved". I prefer to think of it as "children will test the boundaries of the world around them, and it's up to you to make sure they have the right outlook on life". If that sounds awful damn close to fundie indoctrination, that's because it is in its concept - I just think fundies screw it up by teaching their children intolerance, hate, etc.

"Christ" - If used in place of "Jesus" talking about Christian doctrine. Look, if you talk about the "teachings of Jesus", we know damn well what you're talking about. Labeling it the "teachings of Christ", while technically the same thing, have a much more confrontational vibe to me.

While I'm on the subject...

"Keep Christ in Christmas" - Nobody wants to take away your Jesus Worship, fucknut. Saying "Happy Holidays" because - *choke, gasp* - there are other holidays than Christmas around the same time and nobody has time to say "Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" is not an attack on your religion. Nor is the abbreviation "Xmas". Nor is calling the time American students get off school around the same time "Winter Break". If you really want to talk about cheapening the message of your pagan-turned-Christian holiday, look at every goddamned department store in the country. Of course, complaining about that would reduce your odds of getting a new console, and so nobody says anything.

"The X agenda" - I'm putting this here because, fuck it, nobody has any legitimate non-religious reason to ban gay marriage/sex changes/etc. You could argue I have a chip on my shoulder for this one, being gay myself... but that doesn't make it any less justified. It's not enough that a bunch of people want to be treated better legally, and by society; no, there has to be some sinister fucking plot behind it. Not just any run-of-the-mill conspiracy either; everything and everyone that does not conform to the heteronormative standard imposed by society today must seek to tear down the entire country, the concept of morality, and the human race.

I think I've covered most of the phrases that piss me off, though that's not even half of fundie behavior that gets under my skin.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 19, 2012, 06:16:27 pm

"CAPS" - Hell, while I'm at it, any time anybody feels the needs to do the internet equivalent of yelling in my face by abusing the crap out of the Caps Lock button.

One of the many things I learned on the internet is that if you want to sound judgmental and confrontational, just capitalize YOU.

"Jesus died for YOUR sins, he died for YOU and YOU spit in his face?"

It's the best way to illustrate righteous scorn.  You can almost feel them pointing down at you. 
 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Auri-El on January 19, 2012, 08:37:42 pm
I hate when people a) act like Christianity is not a religion, and b) act like Christianity is fact, not faith. It is faith, and yes, you do have to have faith. Not that my beliefs are better than someone else's, but they are beliefs. They are not facts. I accept them because I want to, but it is only faith, not fact. Christianity is not any more or less valid than any other religion. And it's certainly a religion. Not a "personal relationship with God." Fuck no, I don't want a personal relationship with the most powerful entity in the universe or out of it. I don't know what sort of God I believe in, but whatever it is, it's not something you have a personal relationship with.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 19, 2012, 10:32:39 pm
Fuck no, I don't want a personal relationship with the most powerful entity in the universe or out of it. I don't know what sort of God I believe in, but whatever it is, it's not something you have a personal relationship with.

I love you for this.

Don't they realize that in any myth/religion across time the ones the gods favor die young?

Or wind up pregnant with demi-gods who live horrible, trying lives.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 20, 2012, 12:08:01 am
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"The X agenda"

This one becomes amusing when you imagine a day planner themed after stereotypes of whichever socioeconomic group they're referring to -- e.g. fabulous rainbows and Priuses on the "gay agenda".
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: N. De Plume on January 20, 2012, 09:24:25 am
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"The X agenda"

This one becomes amusing when you imagine a day planner themed after stereotypes of whichever socioeconomic group they're referring to -- e.g. fabulous rainbows and Priuses on the "gay agenda".
You know, I’ve seen plenty of people make the joke and write out the contents of a gay agenda. But this is the first time I ever though of an actual physical planner. I love it!

Smite!
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rtvc2012 on January 20, 2012, 12:34:35 pm
"I'm pro-life"

Yes abortion is not a pleasant thing, but generally when someone claims to be pro-life, it really means, "I'm pro-war, anti-gun control, pro-death penalty, anti-healthcare, pro-genocide (okay, exaggerating a bit here), etc...but GOD FORBID you kill a fetus (at least before it's born).

"It's not a religion, it's a relationship"

Code for "My religion is better than yours"
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Mechtaur on January 20, 2012, 03:29:55 pm
"It's not a religion, it's a relationship"

Code for "My religion is better than yours"

My milkshake is better than theirs though.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 20, 2012, 05:31:43 pm
"Why do you swear so much?  It's just evidence of your ungodliness"

What's funny is that they'll jump on anyone for one swear... and then ignore their fellow Christian spouting enough language to make a sailor go white with shock.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rtvc2012 on January 26, 2012, 12:23:42 pm
Just about any phrase spoken in "Christianese" (you know what I'm talking about) weirds me out and makes a person impossible to be taken seriously
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rookie on January 26, 2012, 12:49:06 pm
I hate when people a) act like Christianity is not a religion, and b) act like Christianity is fact, not faith. It is faith, and yes, you do have to have faith. Not that my beliefs are better than someone else's, but they are beliefs. They are not facts. I accept them because I want to, but it is only faith, not fact. Christianity is not any more or less valid than any other religion. And it's certainly a religion. Not a "personal relationship with God." Fuck no, I don't want a personal relationship with the most powerful entity in the universe or out of it. I don't know what sort of God I believe in, but whatever it is, it's not something you have a personal relationship with.

How did stay so long on the RR boards?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 26, 2012, 02:19:42 pm
And this one: "I'll pray for you." I get this too damn much. Lady (it's almost always women), I don't need praying for. Not for my Soul, not to get better. Not for anything. Maybe it makes you feel better but it doesn't help me. You want to help me? Cook me a meal, donate to science, donate to your local hospital, give me gas money. But praying does squat for me.

I hate it when people use it as a "fuck you" smarmy, condescending thing. I'll ask people "Do you mind if I..." or "Can I..." before saying I'll pray for them. Generally I don't offer anyway unless I'm feeling helpless or like there is nothing else I can personally offer.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 26, 2012, 03:06:42 pm
Just about any phrase spoken in "Christianese" (you know what I'm talking about) weirds me out and makes a person impossible to be taken seriously

The funny thing is, I once attended a fundie convention where the sermon was on how using Christianese during evangelizing just weirded people out and drove them away.  There was even a skit for it.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 26, 2012, 03:24:08 pm
Just about any phrase spoken in "Christianese" (you know what I'm talking about) weirds me out and makes a person impossible to be taken seriously

Actually, I'm a little lost. Is this the same as fundie? Or is it a tamer version?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rookie on January 26, 2012, 03:32:52 pm
Christianese is the mother tongue and Fundie is a dialect.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 26, 2012, 03:46:25 pm
Okay... can I get an example? Cause I am borderline paranoid about becoming one of "those"...
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 26, 2012, 04:27:58 pm
And this one: "I'll pray for you." I get this too damn much. Lady (it's almost always women), I don't need praying for. Not for my Soul, not to get better. Not for anything. Maybe it makes you feel better but it doesn't help me. You want to help me? Cook me a meal, donate to science, donate to your local hospital, give me gas money. But praying does squat for me.

I hate it when people use it as a "fuck you" smarmy, condescending thing. I'll ask people "Do you mind if I..." or "Can I..." before saying I'll pray for them. Generally I don't offer anyway unless I'm feeling helpless or like there is nothing else I can personally offer.

I usually get it from people  who don't want to do anything further than a couple of words.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on January 26, 2012, 06:14:19 pm
"Keep Christ in Christmas" - Nobody wants to take away your Jesus Worship, fucknut. Saying "Happy Holidays" because - *choke, gasp* - there are other holidays than Christmas around the same time and nobody has time to say "Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" is not an attack on your religion. Nor is the abbreviation "Xmas". Nor is calling the time American students get off school around the same time "Winter Break". If you really want to talk about cheapening the message of your pagan-turned-Christian holiday, look at every goddamned department store in the country. Of course, complaining about that would reduce your odds of getting a new console, and so nobody says anything.

This is doubly failtastic because "Keep Christ in Christmas" was originally about not letting the commercialism get in the way of the whole love-and-fellowship-and-baby-Jesus aspect of the holidays.  Now, it's like no one cares how commercialistic you're being, as long as you use the proper word.  Um...way to prioritize. 9_9
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Eniliad on January 26, 2012, 07:05:39 pm
I too could use an example of Christianese. I THINK I get it but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rtvc2012 on January 27, 2012, 12:21:23 am
I too could use an example of Christianese. I THINK I get it but I'm not sure.
Phrases along the lines of "the Fruit", "the Spirit", "the Lamb", "the Word", "Born Again", you know, really overspiritualized jargon like that.  I decided long ago that if I'm going to be a Christian, I could never talk even remotely like that - I'd feel like a douchebag.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Da Rat Bastid on January 27, 2012, 01:39:57 am
Youtube is your friend.  Enjoy. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpV9nHdRiiE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir5M2XuEROY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8AiaCBgpO4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd5h3nN1wd4
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Igor on January 28, 2012, 09:45:41 pm
Although I'm sure it's already been said, I can't stand it when people say "God hates x". Also, relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PX2Z4r-e4
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 28, 2012, 10:12:14 pm
+1 for Voltaire.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: anti-nonsense on January 29, 2012, 09:01:39 am
that song is awesome.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on January 29, 2012, 03:13:28 pm
I hate Christianese too, particularly when their judging you like in this quote (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67126) this one. (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=30303)  I also hate when they use thees and thous.  It's so pretentious, like can't you just talk like a normal person?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mDTLphIVY

I also hate any of these "Jesus fixes everything" statements because they make no sense!  HOW exactly does Jesus fix everything?  Like when I was batshit terrified of going to hell, I remember asking a few people about hell, and I was told not to worry because Jesus saves and I should just believe in him.  Never mind that it did nothing to confront my doubts about whether I was "saved", I should just have faith. 

Even more infuriating is when you try to debate Christians on why we deserve to go to hell for not living up to a standard god says we can't reach.  Instead of confronting this philosophical question, they go "but god fixed that with Jeeeeeeeeeeesus!!!", going on about how great God and Jesus is.  THAT WASN'T MY FUCKING QUESTION YOU DUMB FUCKING FUCK!!  The whole Jesus bullshit doesn't negate the fact that people apparently go to hell for things they can't help.  In fact, since I can't wrap my head around these concepts without asking questions, I'd be going to hell for 2 things I can't help.  HOW THE FUCK IS THAT FAIR!!  RAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!

Not that any apologetic answers are good, but at least they attempt to answer the damn question!!
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: one-shot on February 13, 2012, 08:58:25 pm
Some of my favorites:
-so you're choosing to go to hell?  No, I'm choosing to be reincarnated, and hopefully attain enlightenment.
-You're a Buddhist?  So, you like, worship the devil?  No, Buddhists don't worship anything.
-God loves you.  I should write an autobiography to prove that one wrong.
-I love you.  That's only half a statement, the rest is, 'as long as you believe the way I do, otherwise, you can go to hell'.
-I'm sorry you're hungry, homeless, and can't find a job; I'll pray for you.  Great, but what about helping me out with the needful things now? 
-Without Jesus, you'll be in your sins.  Sorry, I've found Buddhist ethics to be much more holy than xtian ethics.
-How could you leave xtianity?  You must not have been saved to begin with.  Fine, that doesn't bother me at all.  (xtians actually say this to ex-xtians, hoping that it gets them angry enough to argue the point with them)

There's really just too many to list, and that's all I can think of for now.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on February 13, 2012, 11:37:22 pm
"Are you born again?"

Well, I'm Wiccan, and believe in reincarnation, so I guess that means I've been born again.  And again, and again, and again...
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Shane for Wax on February 13, 2012, 11:45:15 pm
I've been reborn twice. ;D
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: ironbite on February 14, 2012, 12:50:51 am
"Are you born again?"

Well, I'm Wiccan, and believe in reincarnation, so I guess that means I've been born again.  And again, and again, and again...

Incidentally, in one  reality, we're fucking.

Ironbite-in fact in one reality, I'm fucking everybody.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: one-shot on February 14, 2012, 12:57:35 am
"Are you born again?"

Well, I'm Wiccan, and believe in reincarnation, so I guess that means I've been born again.  And again, and again, and again...

Incidentally, in one  reality, we're fucking.

Ironbite-in fact in one reality, I'm fucking everybody.

In a good or bad way?  :P
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Askold on February 14, 2012, 01:46:42 am
"Are you born again?"

Well, I'm Wiccan, and believe in reincarnation, so I guess that means I've been born again.  And again, and again, and again...

Incidentally, in one  reality, we're fucking.

Ironbite-in fact in one reality, I'm fucking everybody.

In a good or bad way?  :P

One reality where it's the good way, one where it's the bad way, several mediocre and one where it's both good and bad.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: one-shot on February 14, 2012, 01:48:45 am
"Are you born again?"

Well, I'm Wiccan, and believe in reincarnation, so I guess that means I've been born again.  And again, and again, and again...

Incidentally, in one  reality, we're fucking.

Ironbite-in fact in one reality, I'm fucking everybody.

In a good or bad way?  :P

One reality where it's the good way, one where it's the bad way, several mediocre and one where it's both good and bad.

Wow, so ironbite's pretty busy then.  ;D
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: ironbite on February 14, 2012, 03:27:15 am
Quantum Theory is a pet hobby of mine.

Ironbite-I don't study it nearly as much as I should but I at least know the barest of bare bones.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: myusername on February 14, 2012, 02:35:06 pm
Can't remember whether these have been mentioned, but these two gems about atheists annoy me.

"You must be upset/angry about something, and that led you to turn away from God."- while it's true that some atheists probably began to question god after a traumatic experience, it's also not true of many atheists as well. Many atheists either never believed, or came to a conclusion based on the evidence. Also, just because the person became an atheist due to a traumatic experience, doesn't mean they also don't have arguments as to why they are an atheist.

"You're just an atheist so that you can indulge in (usually sexual) sin" this is a stupid argument, if I really believed that a god would send me to hell for masturbation i wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Scotsgit on February 14, 2012, 08:05:34 pm
Dianetics.  Sounds like a one-hit wonder from the 80's.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on February 14, 2012, 11:20:55 pm
Dianetics.  Sounds like a one-hit wonder from the 80's.

I don't want anybody else, when I think about you I use my e-meter to measure my Thetan levels, oooooh...
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on February 14, 2012, 11:24:29 pm
"What church do you go to?"

Don't assume the person you're talking to is a devout Christian, honey.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Eniliad on February 15, 2012, 02:25:59 am
In a similar vein, "Do you know the Lord?"

It's a no-win question unless the answer is "Yes".
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on February 15, 2012, 06:49:32 pm
Can't remember whether these have been mentioned, but these two gems about atheists annoy me.

"You must be upset/angry about something, and that led you to turn away from God."- while it's true that some atheists probably began to question god after a traumatic experience, it's also not true of many atheists as well. Many atheists either never believed, or came to a conclusion based on the evidence. Also, just because the person became an atheist due to a traumatic experience, doesn't mean they also don't have arguments as to why they are an atheist.

"You're just an atheist so that you can indulge in (usually sexual) sin" this is a stupid argument, if I really believed that a god would send me to hell for masturbation i wouldn't do it.

ie the first one: is somewhat true for me.  It dawned on me that if hell was a real place, it would really suck to go there, especially FOREVER.  Of course once I started quesioning things...

the second one really pisses me off: even if it was true, not wanting to live under the rule of some dictator god who monitors my thoughts does not make me an immoral person.  My mental health is too important to worry about stupid sins.  And is that really the best your god can offer, eternal damnation?  Way to take what could be a harmless belief and terrorize people with it. 

Fuckin' fundies. 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: czechmate on February 16, 2012, 06:16:31 am
Some of my favorites:
-so you're choosing to go to hell?  Well that's where you come from.
-You're a Buddhist?  Buddah actually existed. Ever heard of a Buddhist terrorist?
-God loves you. Auschwitz proves it.
-I love you.  Isn't being gay a sin?
-I'm sorry you're hungry, homeless, and can't find a job; I'll pray for you.  Great, but what about helping me out with the needful things now?  Perfecto
-Without Jesus, you'll be in your sins.  Sorry, I've found Buddhist ethics to be much more holy than xtian ethics. Also Perfecto
-How could you leave xtianity?  You must not have been saved to begin with.  Fine, that doesn't bother me at all.  (xtians actually say this to ex-xtians, hoping that it gets them angry enough to argue the point with them) How can I leave a fake religion enforced upon us from birth? - very easily!
In truth, Christianity is a fake religion, manufactured to keep a failing Roman Empire together. All the stories in the Bible are fantasies borrowed, then tweaked, from other cultures.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on February 16, 2012, 10:31:15 am
Some of my favorites:
-so you're choosing to go to hell?  Well that's where you come from.
-You're a Buddhist?  Buddah actually existed. Ever heard of a Buddhist terrorist?
-God loves you. Auschwitz proves it.
-I love you.  Isn't being gay a sin?
-I'm sorry you're hungry, homeless, and can't find a job; I'll pray for you.  Great, but what about helping me out with the needful things now?  Perfecto
-Without Jesus, you'll be in your sins.  Sorry, I've found Buddhist ethics to be much more holy than xtian ethics. Also Perfecto
-How could you leave xtianity?  You must not have been saved to begin with.  Fine, that doesn't bother me at all.  (xtians actually say this to ex-xtians, hoping that it gets them angry enough to argue the point with them) How can I leave a fake religion enforced upon us from birth? - very easily!
In truth, Christianity is a fake religion, manufactured to keep a failing Roman Empire together. All the stories in the Bible are fantasies borrowed, then tweaked, from other cultures.

I've read essays indicating that it may be a modified form of Essene Judaism, which was then co-opted by the Empire as you described.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Auri-El on February 21, 2012, 09:40:19 pm
In a similar vein, "Do you know the Lord?"

It's a no-win question unless the answer is "Yes".

It really boggles my mind how arrogant some Christians are, along those lines. Like, I believe in some sort of higher power, and I try to follow Jesus' teachings and shit, but honestly why would an omnipotent being want anything to do with me? No, I don't know God. How can anyone? That's like an ant thinking it has a personal relationship with a sauropod or something. It's just not possible.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Eniliad on February 26, 2012, 03:38:13 am
Sorry if this was already mentioned, but "personal Savior" referring to Jesus. Every goddamn Christian I know uses that phrase. What the hell does it even mean? Even as a Christian I had no fucking clue. I was told that means you have a personal relationship with Jesus... but that doesn't even make sense. The hell?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 26, 2012, 04:56:46 am
In a similar vein, "Do you know the Lord?"

It's a no-win question unless the answer is "Yes".

(http://gaygamer.net/images/gabbing_with_garriott/lordbritish.jpg)
Yes, yes I do.

(ie: Lord British)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on February 26, 2012, 12:14:50 pm
-"You can't disprove God/The Bible/Jesus" The burdon of evidence is on you.  Especially if I'm going to devote my life to it.
-"How can you ignore what the Bible says?" Well, how can you ignore what reality says?
-(to Liberal Christians) "You're creating a god to suit yourself" Yes, the liberals who want to accept everyone and not tell them how to live are creating a god to suit themselves.  Meanwhile, the hellfire preacher who's damning everyone who doesn't agree with what he preaches is worshiping the one true god.  Yeah, he doesn't have any agenda!   ::)
-"Reality of hell" Just because you say something is real doesn't make it any less absurd.  And people who claimed to have gone to hell to sell a book does not constitute proof
-"That's a sin!!" Oh fuck you.

Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on February 26, 2012, 03:33:37 pm
Sorry if this was already mentioned, but "personal Savior" referring to Jesus. Every goddamn Christian I know uses that phrase. What the hell does it even mean? Even as a Christian I had no fucking clue. I was told that means you have a personal relationship with Jesus... but that doesn't even make sense. The hell?

Yeah, I could never figure out the dynamics of a relationship with a diety you can't see or hear.  No one could ever explain what it means without resorting to annoying Christianese.  There's a site called ExChristian.net in which people post their deconversion testimonies.  They went to church, prayed, asked God/Jesus for answers, but didn't get anything.  Without fail, some Christbot (as I like to call em) will comment that they never knew the real Jesus Christ and that they were in a religion not a relationship.  Yet they NEVER EXPLAIN HOW THIS "RELATIONSHIP" WORKS.  Who is this Jesus guy and how do I find him?  What is the "relationship" like?  How does Jesus communicate to you?   Why does this "relationship" sound more like a cheap marketing gimmick? 

Explain Christians, EXPLAIN!!!

Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheUnknown on March 20, 2012, 05:00:30 pm
Sorry for the necro, but there's an argument I really hate, and it doesn't just apply to religious arguments:

"*insert thing here* is against nature!"

*insert example of thing occurring in nature*

"Humanity needs to hold itself to a higher standard than nature!"
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: DarkfireTaimatsu on March 20, 2012, 05:21:40 pm
Sorry for the necro, but there's an argument I really hate, and it doesn't just apply to religious arguments:

"*insert thing here* is against nature!"

*insert example of thing occurring in nature*

"Humanity needs to hold itself to a higher standard than nature!"

Haha, that's nothing~ Last night, I was dealing with a guy who insisted there was no such thing as "natural", because God created everything.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ri Jayden on March 20, 2012, 05:29:04 pm
I hate when people say, "You're just mad cause I'm telling the truth!" No, I'm mad because you won't shut up!

.....And when people say "religious" when they mean "Christian". Atheists and Fundies alike are guilty of saying this.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on March 20, 2012, 07:28:52 pm
So I've been working with a group of other students preparing for an English presentation. We all show up to a certain chatroom at the proper time to discuss things last-minute, except for a girl I'll call Zoe. Even though I reminded her at school to come several times, she seems to have "forgot" - in fact, she's "forgotten" every date and time we've scheduled, or she suddenly has "technical difficulties" which she won't elaborate on. One boy went so far as to give her step-by-step instructions for opening up the document, just in case she really was having problems. Anyway, she doesn't show up the night before we present, and everyone else is scrambling last-minute for pictures to put on the ppt. Several people stay up past 10:00 finalizing the ppt.

So I get back to English class and Zoe comes up to me and asks if the ppt's done yet. I say yes, and she starts thanking Jesus. Now normally this doesn't bother me so much, but I was about to tell her that she shouldn't be thanking Jesus, she should be thanking the people who actually put time into the project so that she could get her lazy ass by with an A. Instead I just said, "Yeah, but XYZ worked really hard on it all night." Which is my polite way of saying "Go fuck yourself you lazy bitch." (I don't want to sound like a fucking weeaboo, but there is a Japanese word, tatemae that would fit really well here.) So we all go up there to explain literary techniques and metaphors and the meaning of the poem and shit like that, and Zoe makes no sense at all. Like, it's really obvious that she just skimmed over the poem and never annotated it herself.

/rant
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on March 20, 2012, 07:45:54 pm
I hate when people say, "You're just mad cause I'm telling the truth!" No, I'm mad because you won't shut up!

.....And when people say "religious" when they mean "Christian". Atheists and Fundies alike are guilty of saying this.

In my experience, those who claim "truth" are always the ones who have so little to back it on.  If it was the truth, wouldn't it be able to stand on it's own? 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: DharmicDalek on March 22, 2012, 07:32:27 pm
I hate it when new agers babble on about "All is One", as if hearing the phrase will actually do something for you. It's a bastardization of the concept of Panentheism *That everything exists inside of god, and yet is also transcendent*. It's not just a fact in Hinduism, it's a mindset. It's the difference between knowing plane mechanics and knowing how to fly the plain.

I could end a long rant by instead saying  that the New Age butchers Hinduism like Paul butchered Christ.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Yla on March 26, 2012, 03:29:21 am
I could end a long rant by instead saying  that the New Age butchers Hinduism like Paul butchered Christ.
I'd be interested in that rant.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Vypernight on March 26, 2012, 06:38:04 am
In a similar vein, "Do you know the Lord?"

It's a no-win question unless the answer is "Yes".

Yes, How could I not know William Blake?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: DharmicDalek on March 26, 2012, 10:22:05 pm
I could end a long rant by instead saying  that the New Age butchers Hinduism like Paul butchered Christ.
I'd be interested in that rant.

You see, New Age takes the choicest bits of Hinduism with all the thoughtfulness of Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre butchering a human body. How many New Agers see Reincarnation as a nice fluffy thing, as if it was a simple school lesson? Every single Dharmic faith, from Hinduism to Buddhism to Jainism to Sikhism all say with one voice that reincarnation is a curse. To say "Oh, we will simply reincarnate with every new life, with it teaching us nice things" is kind of like saying Adam and Eve eating the apple was a good thing. And then there is the "Karma as Social Justice" bullshit. Karma is not a force for justice. It is the thing that binds us to reincarnation. Even "Good" Karma will end with us just reincarnating on a higher plain....and us going back to the rest of the masses once that runs out. The differences of the dharmic faiths (Will worshiping a God banish our bad Karma? Is it something only Man can do, on his own? How extreme does asceticism need to be, if  it is needed at all? Can a householder do it?) are in fixing the karmic debt problem, but all agree karma is bad. And then we have the concept of Kali Yuga being shoehorned into the 2012 BS..... Look up the concept of the "Plastic Shaman". It fits Hinduism as well.


God damn Deprak Chopra as an example:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/04/dr_chopra_honor_thy_heritage.html
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/04/hinduism_and_sanatana_dharma_one_and_the_same.html
 
By divorcing Yoga from Hinduism, the west rapes Indian history and what it means to be a Hindu. Aseem Shukla says it better then I ever could
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 26, 2012, 11:12:47 pm
In a similar vein, "Do you know the Lord?"

It's a no-win question unless the answer is "Yes".

Are we using the Biblical euphemism "know"?

/giggity 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Mechtaur on March 27, 2012, 12:36:13 pm
I could end a long rant by instead saying  that the New Age butchers Hinduism like Paul butchered Christ.
I'd be interested in that rant.

You see, New Age takes the choicest bits of Hinduism with all the thoughtfulness of Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre butchering a human body. How many New Agers see Reincarnation as a nice fluffy thing, as if it was a simple school lesson? Every single Dharmic faith, from Hinduism to Buddhism to Jainism to Sikhism all say with one voice that reincarnation is a curse. To say "Oh, we will simply reincarnate with every new life, with it teaching us nice things" is kind of like saying Adam and Eve eating the apple was a good thing. And then there is the "Karma as Social Justice" bullshit. Karma is not a force for justice. It is the thing that binds us to reincarnation. Even "Good" Karma will end with us just reincarnating on a higher plain....and us going back to the rest of the masses once that runs out. The differences of the dharmic faiths (Will worshiping a God banish our bad Karma? Is it something only Man can do, on his own? How extreme does asceticism need to be, if  it is needed at all? Can a householder do it?) are in fixing the karmic debt problem, but all agree karma is bad. And then we have the concept of Kali Yuga being shoehorned into the 2012 BS..... Look up the concept of the "Plastic Shaman". It fits Hinduism as well.


God damn Deprak Chopra as an example:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/04/dr_chopra_honor_thy_heritage.html
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/04/hinduism_and_sanatana_dharma_one_and_the_same.html
 
By divorcing Yoga from Hinduism, the west rapes Indian history and what it means to be a Hindu. Aseem Shukla says it better then I ever could

Bold mine.

According to Gnosticism, eating the apple was a good thing.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: DharmicDalek on March 27, 2012, 09:10:09 pm

Bold mine
According to Gnosticism, eating the apple was a good thing.

As an ex-gnostic, I know that. I stopped being a gnostic when I was sick of the unhealthy dualism. I realized this when I was in a forest admiring its beauty that material existence as it is is not inherently evil or suffering, even if nature is indeed red in tooth and claw. Same reason I am not Buddhist, as admirable their ethics of compassion are.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Mechtaur on March 27, 2012, 11:43:49 pm

Bold mine
According to Gnosticism, eating the apple was a good thing.

As an ex-gnostic, I know that. I stopped being a gnostic when I was sick of the unhealthy dualism. I realized this when I was in a forest admiring its beauty that material existence as it is is not inherently evil or suffering, even if nature is indeed red in tooth and claw. Same reason I am not Buddhist, as admirable their ethics of compassion are.

I know, I read your "Religious Affiliation" post. I'm just being that little "Weellllllll, there's one problem with your post here" person. ;)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: jlujan69 on April 05, 2012, 07:56:42 am
All variations of the following:


- "Don't cast pearls before swine."


That one should only be used if the Christian is facing unfair ridicule or actual persecution.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: JohnE on April 07, 2012, 03:03:44 am
Did someone say yoga (http://www.cracked.com/article_19283_7-ancient-forms-mysticism-that-are-recent-inventions.html)?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 08, 2012, 03:53:08 am
All variations of the following:


- "Don't cast pearls before swine."


That one should only be used if the Christian is facing unfair ridicule or actual persecution.

That would be a good rule of thumb, but the fundamentalists who tend to use that verse as a crutch also see "unfair ridicule and persecution" around every corner. Can't push prayer into public school classrooms? Persecution. LGBT people are protected under anti-discrimination laws? Denial of religious freedoms. Someone doesn't believe in the Bible? Ridicule.

A legitimate complaint would be if someone else went out of their way to mock a Christian for their beliefs. For various reasons I am not a Christian, but I try to avoid mocking anyone  just for believing differently. I know that if I were raised in a different country or even just a different household, I might have very different religious views.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheUnknown on August 01, 2012, 07:27:04 pm
Damn, this thread keeps getting buried.  Anyway, lurking on Christian Forums, I found a thread dealing with the current Chick-fil-a debacle.  The title? "American Consumers Speak Loud and Clear: We Love Free Speech, Marriage, and Chicken."

Now, I believe the whole situation with Chick-fil-a is getting out of hand (on both sides), but looking at this thread title really grated me.  I hate it when people say that those who support traditional marriage 'love' marriage.  Yeah, those gays really hate the shit out of marriage, what with wanting to be able to take part in it and all.  Everyone knows that if you love something, you keep it exactly the same way, and never want to make it better, or change it to keep it relevant.  That's not even getting into how many times the 'traditions' of marriage have changed.

Every time someone says changing tradition is horrible, I want to scream, "Has no one read The Lottery?" (And I don't care if tradition wasn't one of the original themes or not, that's how I learned it)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on August 02, 2012, 06:53:29 pm
I support traditional marriage.  I also support gay marriage.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: RinellaWasHere on August 04, 2012, 01:33:52 am
"We Christians are so persecuted in today's society!"

No. No we are fucking not. If world religions were in some kind of competition, we fucking won.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Random Gal on August 04, 2012, 06:43:03 pm
Not explicitly religious, but usually closely connected.

"Your mother was pro-life"

Way to jump to conclusions. My mother actually finds abortion too morally complex to decide, and was previously committed to the pro-choice side. I find it offensive that people can make such a claim. Do they really think being pro-choice means "Abort ALL THE BABIES!" or something?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: JohnE on August 05, 2012, 01:23:23 am
My mother is pro-choice. She CHOSE to have me.

Which, now that I think about it, makes it more special.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on August 05, 2012, 01:46:23 pm
Not explicitly religious, but usually closely connected.

"Your mother was pro-life"

Way to jump to conclusions. My mother actually finds abortion too morally complex to decide, and was previously committed to the pro-choice side. I find it offensive that people can make such a claim. Do they really think being pro-choice means "Abort ALL THE BABIES!" or something?

Yes.  Yes, they do.

Otherwise, the "human extinction" argument would be dead in the water.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: majingojira on August 05, 2012, 01:47:00 pm
The utter lack of imagination or thought put into arguments. Reading an tract or an article or a story written by a Christian explaining some aspect of his belief, and it will be constructed of about 75% Bible quotes. Yeah I know that's what the Bible says (and BTW there are an equal number of verses that contradict those you mentioned), but I want to hear YOUR opinion, what do YOU think? You think you're going to be the next C.S Lewis by just padding your essay or story with 75% quotes? That will get you a D if you try that in community college. I think this trait might be a symptom of a larger problem of not being able to think about a subject, and instead plugging in a Bible verse.

The phrases "Repent!" or "Accept Christ," which is basically code for "submit" "admit that I'm right" or "see the world as I do or else!" Also "Salvation is a free gift." No, it isn't. As soon as you join a church you're going to be told what to do in the interest of "Serving Christ." If service is required, then isn't free!

Bringing the topic of abortion into every discussion, and acting like it is an inherently christian belief when the Bible says NOTHING against abortion (unless you really, really twist some verse), but has many, many sections describing men of god killing children and babies.

Any time they bring up God feeling offended or saddened by the sinful acts of our times. If he is omnipotent then he wouldn't need to wring his hands in helpless frustration. Clearly if he exists and he is omnipotent and he is not stupid or insane, then this world is exactly the way he wants it. Otherwise he could just snap his fingers and eliminate homosexuality, stop all abortions, fill everyone's mind with knowledge of him, turn the devil good, stop all the killings and wars, etc. Even Christians admit that he will eventually do this, but only after brutally annihilating the world twice sometime in the future if Revelations to be believed. But my question was what was stopping him just making his creation however he wanted it from the beginning if he was omnipotent?

"God is fed up with these sinful times." or "God's patience is running out." Infinite beings don't run out of patience, you moron! You ascribe very human frailties to your supposedly perfect god.   

"God have mercy on us." A meaningles statement. If one is a believer than God will still inflict terrible things on them if the Book of Job is any indication. If one is a nobeliever, then no mercy will be extended to them anyway. If they become a believer, see the first point.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: R. U. Sirius on August 14, 2012, 09:00:26 am
One issue that I've run into multiple conflicts with other Buddhists over is the fact that I still eat meat.

Generally, when someone takes umbrage with it, I point out that
A) the Buddha never stated that everyone who follows his teachings needs to become vegetarians,
B) the Buddha explicitly DID say that people should avoid dogmatism, and
C) when a butcher asked the Buddha how he could become enlightened without giving up the only work he knew to keep his family fed, the Buddha replied, "Let it be." For context, butchery is one of the professions that the Buddha specifically condemned.

All this being said, I only recently started on this path, and I do intend to give vegetarianism a shot once I've educated myself enough to be reasonably sure of my health. I know that you can get most of the nutrients found in meat from various vegetables, but I don't know enough about the subject yet to make educated choices about the veggies I would need. If there are any vegetarians here who could point me toward any good resources, I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Cerim Treascair on August 14, 2012, 08:38:48 pm
One issue that I've run into multiple conflicts with other Buddhists over is the fact that I still eat meat.

Generally, when someone takes umbrage with it, I point out that
A) the Buddha never stated that everyone who follows his teachings needs to become vegetarians,
B) the Buddha explicitly DID say that people should avoid dogmatism, and
C) when a butcher asked the Buddha how he could become enlightened without giving up the only work he knew to keep his family fed, the Buddha replied, "Let it be." For context, butchery is one of the professions that the Buddha specifically condemned.

All this being said, I only recently started on this path, and I do intend to give vegetarianism a shot once I've educated myself enough to be reasonably sure of my health. I know that you can get most of the nutrients found in meat from various vegetables, but I don't know enough about the subject yet to make educated choices about the veggies I would need. If there are any vegetarians here who could point me toward any good resources, I would appreciate it.

I will warn you (having looked into ovo-lacto-vegetarianism as a change of pace) that there are some enzymes and vital nutrients you can really only get in the needed doses from muscle tissue.  As in meat.  Humans are omnivores, that means leafy greens in one hand and raw, bloody steak in the other.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Alehksunos on August 15, 2012, 12:05:32 am
"The United States was founded on Christian principles" (or related)

No, it's not, and it never was and never should be. While I'm at it, I also want to say that my family really honestly has no clue about stuff like Separation of Church and State, the Treaty of Tripoli, etc.

(I also believe someone argued about that claim before once, but this claim in particular really pisses me off.)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheUnknown on September 01, 2012, 02:16:54 am
This one has probably been done to death everywhere on this site, but goddamn:

"Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals; they're free to marry whomever they wish of the opposite sex, like everyone else."

This one is thrown around a lot, and doesn't hold merit.  Giving gays the right to marry eachother is not adding a special right, because by the same argument, if it passes, straights are free to marry anyone they want of the same sex.  Also, it ignores the fact that this means that straights have the right to marry and receive benefits with someone they love and are attracted to, while gays don't have that right, so no, gays don't have the same rights as "everyone else."  Oh, what, it doesn't count because straights wouldn't want to get married to the same sex?  Well, it can't be all that bad.  After all, you're expecting the same thing from gays.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Meshakhad on September 02, 2012, 01:30:58 pm
"If you don't follow Jesus, you will burn in Hell!" or any other use of the threat of eternal damnation. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in Hell. First, you'll need to CONVINCE me that Hell exists.

Also, question: if defying G-d = going to Hell forever, then why did He never mention this in the Old Testament? To my memory, at no point in the Old Testament did G-d threaten anyone with eternal damnation. He was more like "Do what I say, or I will kick your ass". There are only oblique references to any sort of Hell.

This gets back to my whole beef with the concept of eternal damnation. Eternal damnation is an infinite punishment. But sin is finite. The Jewish afterlife - Gehenna - works differently. Nearly everyone goes there, and suffers a period of spiritual torment proportional to whatever sins they have committed and not properly atoned or suffered for, with an absolute maximum of twelve months. Those who either never got the chance to sin (like children) or who atoned/suffered for all their sins in life (like Holocaust survivors) get to skip Gehenna and go straight to Olam Haba (the post-Messiah world). A few who are truly evil and incapable of atonement receive karet, which is basically the divine death penalty. They don't suffer - they cease to exist.

Oh, and anyone who uses religious rhetoric to justify banning abortions even to save the life of the mother will have hard time finding a rabbi to agree with them. The current interpretation is that since the fetus is the threat to the mother's life, it is not an innocent life, and therefore the mother's life takes precedent.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Mechtaur on September 02, 2012, 10:38:42 pm
"If you don't follow Jesus, you will burn in Hell!" or any other use of the threat of eternal damnation. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in Hell. First, you'll need to CONVINCE me that Hell exists.

Also, question: if defying G-d = going to Hell forever, then why did He never mention this in the Old Testament? To my memory, at no point in the Old Testament did G-d threaten anyone with eternal damnation. He was more like "Do what I say, or I will kick your ass". There are only oblique references to any sort of Hell.

This gets back to my whole beef with the concept of eternal damnation. Eternal damnation is an infinite punishment. But sin is finite. The Jewish afterlife - Gehenna - works differently. Nearly everyone goes there, and suffers a period of spiritual torment proportional to whatever sins they have committed and not properly atoned or suffered for, with an absolute maximum of twelve months. Those who either never got the chance to sin (like children) or who atoned/suffered for all their sins in life (like Holocaust survivors) get to skip Gehenna and go straight to Olam Haba (the post-Messiah world). A few who are truly evil and incapable of atonement receive karet, which is basically the divine death penalty. They don't suffer - they cease to exist.

Oh, and anyone who uses religious rhetoric to justify banning abortions even to save the life of the mother will have hard time finding a rabbi to agree with them. The current interpretation is that since the fetus is the threat to the mother's life, it is not an innocent life, and therefore the mother's life takes precedent.

This is one reason I like Judaism a lot.

On the subject of Christians adding things. The people who go on and on about how they know Heaven exists because of a near death experience or some bullshit like Don Piper. Now, remind me, but I distinctly recall a part in the Tanakh about how the dead can have no memory because they are, say it with me... Dead. This kinda makes it hard to believe near death experiences because it is saying that someone is contradicting a phrase that they usually say is infallible. Doesn't help that being near death still doesn't count as dying.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 02, 2012, 11:31:18 pm
"If you don't follow Jesus, you will burn in Hell!" or any other use of the threat of eternal damnation. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in Hell. First, you'll need to CONVINCE me that Hell exists.

Also, question: if defying G-d = going to Hell forever, then why did He never mention this in the Old Testament? To my memory, at no point in the Old Testament did G-d threaten anyone with eternal damnation. He was more like "Do what I say, or I will kick your ass". There are only oblique references to any sort of Hell.

This gets back to my whole beef with the concept of eternal damnation. Eternal damnation is an infinite punishment. But sin is finite. The Jewish afterlife - Gehenna - works differently. Nearly everyone goes there, and suffers a period of spiritual torment proportional to whatever sins they have committed and not properly atoned or suffered for, with an absolute maximum of twelve months. Those who either never got the chance to sin (like children) or who atoned/suffered for all their sins in life (like Holocaust survivors) get to skip Gehenna and go straight to Olam Haba (the post-Messiah world). A few who are truly evil and incapable of atonement receive karet, which is basically the divine death penalty. They don't suffer - they cease to exist.

Oh, and anyone who uses religious rhetoric to justify banning abortions even to save the life of the mother will have hard time finding a rabbi to agree with them. The current interpretation is that since the fetus is the threat to the mother's life, it is not an innocent life, and therefore the mother's life takes precedent.

This is one reason I like Judaism a lot.

On the subject of Christians adding things. The people who go on and on about how they know Heaven exists because of a near death experience or some bullshit like Don Piper. Now, remind me, but I distinctly recall a part in the Tanakh about how the dead can have no memory because they are, say it with me... Dead. This kinda makes it hard to believe near death experiences because it is saying that someone is contradicting a phrase that they usually say is infallible. Doesn't help that being near death still doesn't count as dying.

There's also the people that have added the whole rapture thing, which has no basis anywhere if I remember right.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Mechtaur on September 02, 2012, 11:49:53 pm
"If you don't follow Jesus, you will burn in Hell!" or any other use of the threat of eternal damnation. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in Hell. First, you'll need to CONVINCE me that Hell exists.

Also, question: if defying G-d = going to Hell forever, then why did He never mention this in the Old Testament? To my memory, at no point in the Old Testament did G-d threaten anyone with eternal damnation. He was more like "Do what I say, or I will kick your ass". There are only oblique references to any sort of Hell.

This gets back to my whole beef with the concept of eternal damnation. Eternal damnation is an infinite punishment. But sin is finite. The Jewish afterlife - Gehenna - works differently. Nearly everyone goes there, and suffers a period of spiritual torment proportional to whatever sins they have committed and not properly atoned or suffered for, with an absolute maximum of twelve months. Those who either never got the chance to sin (like children) or who atoned/suffered for all their sins in life (like Holocaust survivors) get to skip Gehenna and go straight to Olam Haba (the post-Messiah world). A few who are truly evil and incapable of atonement receive karet, which is basically the divine death penalty. They don't suffer - they cease to exist.

Oh, and anyone who uses religious rhetoric to justify banning abortions even to save the life of the mother will have hard time finding a rabbi to agree with them. The current interpretation is that since the fetus is the threat to the mother's life, it is not an innocent life, and therefore the mother's life takes precedent.

This is one reason I like Judaism a lot.

On the subject of Christians adding things. The people who go on and on about how they know Heaven exists because of a near death experience or some bullshit like Don Piper. Now, remind me, but I distinctly recall a part in the Tanakh about how the dead can have no memory because they are, say it with me... Dead. This kinda makes it hard to believe near death experiences because it is saying that someone is contradicting a phrase that they usually say is infallible. Doesn't help that being near death still doesn't count as dying.

There's also the people that have added the whole rapture thing, which has no basis anywhere if I remember right.

It gets mentioned in 1 Thessalonians, once.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: czechmate on September 03, 2012, 04:24:28 am
"If you don't follow Jesus, you will burn in Hell!" or any other use of the threat of eternal damnation. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in Hell. First, you'll need to CONVINCE me that Hell exists.

Also, question: if defying G-d = going to Hell forever, then why did He never mention this in the Old Testament? To my memory, at no point in the Old Testament did G-d threaten anyone with eternal damnation. He was more like "Do what I say, or I will kick your ass". There are only oblique references to any sort of Hell.

This gets back to my whole beef with the concept of eternal damnation. Eternal damnation is an infinite punishment. But sin is finite. The Jewish afterlife - Gehenna - works differently. Nearly everyone goes there, and suffers a period of spiritual torment proportional to whatever sins they have committed and not properly atoned or suffered for, with an absolute maximum of twelve months. Those who either never got the chance to sin (like children) or who atoned/suffered for all their sins in life (like Holocaust survivors) get to skip Gehenna and go straight to Olam Haba (the post-Messiah world). A few who are truly evil and incapable of atonement receive karet, which is basically the divine death penalty. They don't suffer - they cease to exist.

Oh, and anyone who uses religious rhetoric to justify banning abortions even to save the life of the mother will have hard time finding a rabbi to agree with them. The current interpretation is that since the fetus is the threat to the mother's life, it is not an innocent life, and therefore the mother's life takes precedent.

This is one reason I like Judaism a lot.

On the subject of Christians adding things. The people who go on and on about how they know Heaven exists because of a near death experience or some bullshit like Don Piper. Now, remind me, but I distinctly recall a part in the Tanakh about how the dead can have no memory because they are, say it with me... Dead. This kinda makes it hard to believe near death experiences because it is saying that someone is contradicting a phrase that they usually say is infallible. Doesn't help that being near death still doesn't count as dying.
Having been declared clinically dead TWICE in my 8+ decades on this planet, my atheism has been reinforced considerably on each occasion.
To clarify other points, I have been a DSc in Theology since 1949 and have studied many beliefs, finding Christianity the very worst in using the Bible as a means of justifying the most appaling episodes in written human history, claiming their 1 billion+ victims (since 325 AD) were "saved", with the survivors being brainwashed with the biggest literal man-made bullshit ever written by man.
Bhuddism is a religion only if you choose it to be so. As for the vegetarian aspect, you can't apply that to the Northern climes were literally nothing edible grows! It is a philosophy that teaches that all life forms are part of this world and are to be respected as such. I have yet to hear of a Bhuddist terrorist.
There have been several thousand Gods throughout human history, each and every one being the "one-true" beleive or die, each and every one having been enforced upon us, each and evey one being man-made delusions.
All the Abahamic religions stem from one region which consists of around 0.12% of the global landmass and maintain their existance by fear and punishment.
What about the history of the other 99.88% of the world deliberatly ignored.
Their histories preceed any of the Abrahamics by several thousand years and are branded as Pagans.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 03, 2012, 06:30:42 am
I have yet to hear of a Bhuddist terrorist.
Shoko Asahara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara) and friends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo).
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: KZN02 on September 03, 2012, 02:43:18 pm
I have yet to hear of a Bhuddist terrorist.
Shoko Asahara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara) and friends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo).
Dare I ask if there are more?
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 03, 2012, 07:09:58 pm
I have yet to hear of a Bhuddist terrorist.
Shoko Asahara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara) and friends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo).
Dare I ask if there are more?
None that I can recall, no.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: kefkaownsall on September 03, 2012, 08:22:24 pm
I have yet to hear of a Bhuddist terrorist.
Shoko Asahara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara) and friends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo).
Dare I ask if there are more?
None that I can recall, no.
What I find bizarre about that cult is that they really didn't need to do the attacks as they were gaining enough influence to do well in elections .
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 03, 2012, 09:17:45 pm
What I find bizarre about that cult is that they really didn't need to do the attacks as they were gaining enough influence to do well in elections .
You really can't expect rational thinking from people who decided that they could take on the entire Japanese military single-handedly. That said, it's extremely unlikely that they'd ever get anything more than niche support from the general population. Most normal folks aren't too thrilled with the idea of a cult running the government (at least I should hope not).
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: kefkaownsall on September 03, 2012, 09:30:30 pm
I dunno to be fair terrorism in general is counterproductive outside of Kansas
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Askold on September 04, 2012, 08:23:57 am
What I find bizarre about that cult is that they really didn't need to do the attacks as they were gaining enough influence to do well in elections .

And Nixon could have won even without the bungled break in to the DMC headquarters.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Saturn500 on September 04, 2012, 06:14:05 pm
"God closes doors"

Translated from Fundiegelical: "I screwed up on that job interview, so I'm just gonna assume God didn't want me to get that job, and won't bother improving myself."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on September 06, 2012, 02:16:49 am
Let me just share a few quotes from my Christian uncle...

"It's sad, yes, but people with pre-existing conditions just drive up the cost of healthcare. I understand why insurance companies don't want them, and they shouldn't have to take them. My money shouldn't go towards other peoples' health. I pay for mine, you pay for yours."

"Why should we help the homeless?The Bible says if you don't work, you don't eat. Let them get jobs."

"Starving people in India won't eat their cows because they think they're reincarnated people? Let them starve."

"We need to get rid of healthcare. Don't have 10 kids if you can't afford them. I work, I don't want to work just to have my tax dollars go to lazy people."

But the kicker? "Those baby-killing liberals are going to pay for the blood on their hands when Jesus comes back and asks why we've aborted so many innocent babies."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 06, 2012, 02:31:02 am
Let's see here...fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you...standard, vile, hateful tripe...

But the kicker? "Those baby-killing liberals are going to pay for the blood on their hands when Jesus comes back and asks why we've aborted so many innocent babies."

Why?  Apparently, he's never used A1 steak sauce.  There's a reason its delicious.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Vypernight on September 06, 2012, 04:41:29 am
One issue that I've run into multiple conflicts with other Buddhists over is the fact that I still eat meat.

Generally, when someone takes umbrage with it, I point out that
A) the Buddha never stated that everyone who follows his teachings needs to become vegetarians,
B) the Buddha explicitly DID say that people should avoid dogmatism, and
C) when a butcher asked the Buddha how he could become enlightened without giving up the only work he knew to keep his family fed, the Buddha replied, "Let it be." For context, butchery is one of the professions that the Buddha specifically condemned.

All this being said, I only recently started on this path, and I do intend to give vegetarianism a shot once I've educated myself enough to be reasonably sure of my health. I know that you can get most of the nutrients found in meat from various vegetables, but I don't know enough about the subject yet to make educated choices about the veggies I would need. If there are any vegetarians here who could point me toward any good resources, I would appreciate it.

The basic ideal of Buddhism isn't vegetarianism, but moderation.  You can eat meat, junk food, and drink alcohol, but don't overindulge.  Now this isn't some religious rule, just common sense since overindulging in anything will screw you up inside. 

I made sure of this before I became a Buddhist because I REALLY LIKE my hambugers and steak.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on September 06, 2012, 08:52:46 am
Most normal folks aren't too thrilled with the idea of a cult running the government (at least I should hope not).

Except the Religous Right.

"It's sad, yes, but people with pre-existing conditions just drive up the cost of healthcare. I understand why insurance companies don't want them, and they shouldn't have to take them. My money shouldn't go towards other peoples' health. I pay for mine, you pay for yours."

Wow.  He's ignorant both of Matthew 25 (a.k.a. the Corporal Works of Mercy) and of how health insurance is supposed to work.  Sharing the costs of healthcare among lots of different people, so that no one ends up deep in debt over a medical bill zie can't pay, is the entire reason for insurance in the first place.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Smurfette Principle on September 06, 2012, 10:14:42 am
"Why should we help the homeless?The Bible says if you don't work, you don't eat. Let them get jobs."

I would love for him to point me to a line in the Bible that says anything to the effect of, "If you don't work, you don't eat."

Meanwhile, I will point him to every single thing Jesus ever said, especially Matthew 25:31-46.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: R. U. Sirius on September 06, 2012, 10:50:39 am
One issue that I've run into multiple conflicts with other Buddhists over is the fact that I still eat meat.

Generally, when someone takes umbrage with it, I point out that
A) the Buddha never stated that everyone who follows his teachings needs to become vegetarians,
B) the Buddha explicitly DID say that people should avoid dogmatism, and
C) when a butcher asked the Buddha how he could become enlightened without giving up the only work he knew to keep his family fed, the Buddha replied, "Let it be." For context, butchery is one of the professions that the Buddha specifically condemned.

All this being said, I only recently started on this path, and I do intend to give vegetarianism a shot once I've educated myself enough to be reasonably sure of my health. I know that you can get most of the nutrients found in meat from various vegetables, but I don't know enough about the subject yet to make educated choices about the veggies I would need. If there are any vegetarians here who could point me toward any good resources, I would appreciate it.

The basic ideal of Buddhism isn't vegetarianism, but moderation.  You can eat meat, junk food, and drink alcohol, but don't overindulge.  Now this isn't some religious rule, just common sense since overindulging in anything will screw you up inside. 

I made sure of this before I became a Buddhist because I REALLY LIKE my hambugers and steak.

I know; the main reason I want to give vegitarianism a try is because of the cruelty in the factory farm system that supplies the majority of the meat on the U.S. market. I know that not all farms that raise animals for meat engage in these practices, but still...given the choice, I'd prefer free-range meat for that reason. I doubt I'll ever adopt it as a permanent lifestyle, but I'll probably take "meat holidays" or something similar.

Somewhat strange sidenote...I have similar reasons for wanting to learn to bowhunt and butcher my meat myself. Nowadays, at least in American culture, we're largely insulated from the fact that we're eating another living creature's muscles and organs. In my opinion, it's...well, I hesitate to say "wrong" unequivocably, but I find it objectionable to benefit from the fruits of a labor you aren't willing to participate in. Same reason I'm against the death penalty and the vast majority of the U.S.'s military actions in my lifetime. I find the death penalty to be a pointless gesture that's more about revenge than justice, and I think most military actions the U.S. has taken in my lifetime haven't measured up to the ideals we supposedly defend. So, if someone is sentenced to death, the sentencing judge should pull the lever themselves; if a politico wants to beat the war drums, they should be willing to enlist themselves.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: TheL on September 10, 2012, 07:51:04 pm
"Why should we help the homeless?The Bible says if you don't work, you don't eat. Let them get jobs."

I would love for him to point me to a line in the Bible that says anything to the effect of, "If you don't work, you don't eat."

It's in 2 Thessalonians; can't remember the exact verse.

Essentially, it says that there are some folks who are minding everyone else's business at the expense of their own.  So they need to start working, or else.

This is, of course, completely unrelated to welfare or unemployment checks.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: czechmate on September 12, 2012, 05:04:32 am
Christianity is taught parrot fashion by those in authority, and to question is to transgress if the question is not on the approved list which has pre-ordained answers.
The Bible is infamous for not giving clear messages, relying on metaphors and parables which can be interpreted several ways, each with conflicting results.
This is how the KKK and the Nazis justify their actions as being "Gods' work".
Having been a DSc in Theology since 1948, I have been an atheist now for 27 years.
When Christians claim that they have a moral code exclusively is total BS. Almost ALL non-Christian culture have moral standards equal to, and often higher than those misquoted in the Bible.
If you want to be a Christian, read the Bible.
If you want to be an atheist, understand the Bible.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on December 29, 2012, 12:36:40 am
"The ten commandments are not multiple choice"
"The ten commandments are not the ten suggestions"

How clever.   ::)
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Material Defender on December 30, 2012, 09:04:38 am
The ol' "Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom." Mostly because they misunderstand Wisdom, which is the ability to differentiate right from wrong in situations, with intelligence. Then again, most people I've heard responding to it help continue that sort of misunderstanding. People are dumb?

ANything Westboro says is hate worthy.

I'm not particularly venomous towards religion, so this is hard for me.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: myusername on December 30, 2012, 01:14:02 pm
I can't remember if I said on this thread how much I hate the "Prosperity Gospel" Bullshit. So Religious Phrases I Hate : "If you're wealthy its because god loves you" argh.

Yeah, cos it was Jesus who said "Accumulate! Accumulate! That is Moses and the Prophets!"  ::) :P
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Material Defender on December 30, 2012, 01:18:43 pm
I can't remember if I said on this thread how much I hate the "Prosperity Gospel" Bullshit. So Religious Phrases I Hate : "If you're wealthy its because god loves you" argh.

Yeah, cos it was Jesus who said "Accumulate! Accumulate! That is Moses and the Prophets!"  ::) :P

I thought the prosperity gospel was "God made you rich so you can share it with others."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Mechtaur on December 30, 2012, 03:38:34 pm
I can't remember if I said on this thread how much I hate the "Prosperity Gospel" Bullshit. So Religious Phrases I Hate : "If you're wealthy its because god loves you" argh.

Yeah, cos it was Jesus who said "Accumulate! Accumulate! That is Moses and the Prophets!"  ::) :P

I thought the prosperity gospel was "God made you rich so you can share it with others."

Some try to make it sound better by saying that, but its most basic form is "Faith=Money and power".
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on December 30, 2012, 09:03:56 pm
Here are the ones that really annoy me:

1. If there's no god, then there are no consequences, and you might as well just rape and murder people.

WTF!  Is god really the only thing that stops you from raping and killing people? People like this scare me.


2. If evolution is true then that means you're descended from monkeys!

Why do fundies have such a problem with this? What's so bad about monkeys?


3. So you just think life is worthless then!

I don't need to believe in a higher power to think life is worth something. If anyone thinks life is worthless it is you.


4. When someone is seriously injured in a hurricane or some other natural disaster and someone says "We are praying for them/ god will save them"

Is this the same god that at the very least allowed that hurricane to happen in the first place? I know that disasters are difficult for people, but I really don't understand the thought process behind this one.


5. Not really a phrase, but I fucking hate it when actors/musicians thank god when they win awards. Firstly, it's unbelievably arrogant to think that a higher power would give a shit about you winning some meaningless award. Secondly, it doesn't reflect well on god. "Fuck all the starving people in Africa, I need to make sure Beyonce wins a VMA"


6. You've got no soul.
I just hate the smug way people will say this, as if they are sooo much more deep and meaningful than you are.

Thats all for now, but i'm sure i'll think of more.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Jack Mann on December 31, 2012, 12:08:36 am
Here are the ones that really annoy me:

1. If there's no god, then there are no consequences, and you might as well just rape and murder people.

WTF!  Is god really the only thing that stops you from raping and killing people? People like this scare me.

They don't scare me.  Virtually all of them would be just as kind and compassionate if they were atheists as if they were Christians.  The problem is that they've internalized their dogma to such an extent that they attribute any feeling they have to their belief in the bible.  So, if they see someone suffering and want to help, it's because they've listened to the teachings of Christ.  This also goes for their darker impulses.  They attribute their hatreds and prejudices to their religion as well.  For the most part, they wouldn't be any better or any worse if they changed their belief system.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: R. U. Sirius on December 31, 2012, 08:14:49 am
Here are the ones that really annoy me:

1. If there's no god, then there are no consequences, and you might as well just rape and murder people.

WTF!  Is god really the only thing that stops you from raping and killing people? People like this scare me.

They don't scare me.  Virtually all of them would be just as kind and compassionate if they were atheists as if they were Christians.  The problem is that they've internalized their dogma to such an extent that they attribute any feeling they have to their belief in the bible.  So, if they see someone suffering and want to help, it's because they've listened to the teachings of Christ.  This also goes for their darker impulses.  They attribute their hatreds and prejudices to their religion as well.  For the most part, they wouldn't be any better or any worse if they changed their belief system.

I dunno...You're mostly right, but I've met several people who acted in ways that made me think their professed Christianity really was the only think keeping them from going ax crazy. You know, the kinds of people who despise the human race, but will still work for charities and donate money because the Bible says so, grumbling all the while.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Auggziliary on December 31, 2012, 11:25:14 am
Here are the ones that really annoy me:

1. If there's no god, then there are no consequences, and you might as well just rape and murder people.

WTF!  Is god really the only thing that stops you from raping and killing people? People like this scare me.

They don't scare me.  Virtually all of them would be just as kind and compassionate if they were atheists as if they were Christians.  The problem is that they've internalized their dogma to such an extent that they attribute any feeling they have to their belief in the bible.  So, if they see someone suffering and want to help, it's because they've listened to the teachings of Christ.  This also goes for their darker impulses.  They attribute their hatreds and prejudices to their religion as well.  For the most part, they wouldn't be any better or any worse if they changed their belief system.

Also, there are some Christians who become atheists and then think that it's suddenly OK to be racist or sexist, since supposedly those are only religious things.
Pretty much your stereotypical teenage atheist.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: rageaholic on December 31, 2012, 11:39:52 am



4. When someone is seriously injured in a hurricane or some other natural disaster and someone says "We are praying for them/ god will save them"

Is this the same god that at the very least allowed that hurricane to happen in the first place? I know that disasters are difficult for people, but I really don't understand the thought process behind this one.

I heard someone say that with regard to the Sandy Hook shooting.  One little girl survived = God's intervention.  This never used to bug me, but then fridge horror sinks in.  Ironically, people who say this are actually compassionate compared to the Calvinists who see this is God's divine punishment.

A couple more I hate

"You need to keep an open mind"

More like "stop using logic and just belieeeeeeeeeeve!".  Gag me.

Any DARVO bullshit (deny attack, reverve victim and offender).  I'm tempted to start a thread on just that.  I also hate how Christians have (or attempted to) highjacked words to give them a meaning more in line with Christianity theology.  Call them out on it, and they'll accuse you of changing words. 
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: solar. on January 09, 2015, 07:51:09 pm
This thread is old, but what the heck. I think I can contribute a little...

One thing I hear fundies say is "God will not be mocked." As if Gobs can really do anything. You know, the picture that Fundies paint of God is he's a spoiled bratty little kid. So yes, Gobs WILL be mocked.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ghoti on January 11, 2015, 01:49:35 pm
In reference to people being gay/trans/whatever else, "God doesn't make mistakes". Fortunately, this one's easy to turn back at whoever's saying it: "okay, if god doesn't make mistakes then he purposefully made me gay/trans. Do you think you know better than god about what I should or shouldn't be? No? Didn't think so."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 11, 2015, 03:52:11 pm
Unfortunately, UR, what I hear after that is "you're just confused and you need proper therapy".

I wish I was kidding.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2015, 04:02:52 pm
Just about everything the Christian Identity movement says.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ironchew on January 11, 2015, 04:03:23 pm
The arrogant presumption of believers that God saved them from a natural disaster. You know, they were praying hard and they got saved, unlike the other family down the block that was probably praying just as hard and got obliterated. It does nothing to address why God would pick and choose disaster victims or why the disaster was necessary in the first place with everything unfolding according to an omnipotent being's design.

The U.S. mainstream media expects this reaction -- it bugs me because it's standard post-disaster coverage.
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 11, 2015, 07:53:51 pm
In reference to people being gay/trans/whatever else, "God doesn't make mistakes". Fortunately, this one's easy to turn back at whoever's saying it: "okay, if god doesn't make mistakes then he purposefully made me gay/trans. Do you think you know better than god about what I should or shouldn't be? No? Didn't think so."

The other interesting angle is whether they apply the same reasoning to anything else. "I have diabetes" "I'm sorry, but that's just not possible. God doesn't make mistakes. Now give me back that insulin."
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ironchew on January 11, 2015, 08:03:15 pm
Pretty much everything that comes out of this guy's mouth (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/pastor-i-punched-a-kid-as-hard-as-i-could-for-not-taking-the-lord-serious), but special mention goes to:

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he was a real smart aleck. He was a bright kid, which didn’t help things — made him more dangerous.

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Ben, when are you going to stop playing games with God?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q19qRUBj-ic
Title: Re: What are some religious phrases you hate?
Post by: Ghoti on January 11, 2015, 11:24:20 pm
Unfortunately, UR, what I hear after that is "you're just confused and you need proper therapy".

I wish I was kidding.
That's why Leelah's Law is important - Here are (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/enact-leelahs-law-ban-all-lgbtq-conversion-therapy/QPbYj38G) two petitions (https://www.change.org/p/barack-obama-enact-leelah-s-law-to-ban-transgender-conversion-therapy) should you decide to spend thirty seconds making the world suck a little less.