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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2012, 12:39:17 am »
Klan Parenthood, one of the most virulent anti-choice sites on the web, actually lists the abortion clinics in every state, calling them "death camps." http://www.klannedparenthood.com/History_of_Abortion_Statistics/

considering who one of their heroes is...I find that funny.

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2012, 05:01:50 am »
I really think that when people like this attack planned parenthood clinics, they really need to be dragged off to an orphanage and say they are only allowed to protest when there are no more children there left to adopt. Also, each protester must adopt at least one child.

Although when I say things like that, I just know that they will still be there picketing planned parenthood clinics, with their newly adopted child stuck in the car with all the windows closed, or alternatively forced to carry the protest signs or other such abuses. I just couldn't bring myself to curse those orphans with parents like the pro-life protestors.

Also, rape is an act of non-consensual sex. Incest can be rape, and most commonly is. However, not all cases of Incest are rape. It is possible for two directly related family member to have entirely consensual sex. If it results in a pregnancy abortion is often the best option because of the increase in genetic defects. Remember, in some states in America you can marry your first cousins.

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2012, 07:55:22 am »
Sorry, I didn't mean that it's ONLY men who have loud, contrary opinions on the matter of abortion--just that, in my experience, the loudest ones with the most power tend to be men. (Even though I know that Palin and Bachmann are some of the most anti-choice people in the political realm at the moment and actually DO have uteruses.) I should have clarified that it was an opinion and based on personal experience. It's only because there are more men than women in positions of power on BOTH sides of the political spectrum that it seems like the majority of the most influential anti-choice voices belong to men.

Even so, I still believe that if men could get pregnant then abortion rights would be preserved in every written law since Hammurabi's Code.

What I find the most single-handedly infuriating about almost everyone on the anti-choice side is that they don't give a fuck about the 'defense of life' or caring for the innocent little babies. They're overwhelmingly (but not invariably) staunchly against social welfare programs and assistance that the mothers of unwanted children or the caretakers of orphans and foster kids desperately need. They're against healthcare, public assistance, food stamps, free childcare, and reduced/free education or job training for the mothers to pull them out of poverty. 'Pro-life until birth' was written as a satire but it sums up their ideology pretty well.

This comic (linked for size) is relevant.

As is this picture, that I took about two years ago in a client's house (I had a dog-walking/pet-sitting business). It was attached to a plastic baby bottle full of change and the tag attached was from a local anti-abortion organization begging for donations. The tag listed the things you could 'provide' for unplanned children and/or their mothers with comparatively small amounts of change.



It's hard to read, but it says that for $25 you could provide two weeks worth of formula; $35, three weeks worth of diapers; $60 a car seat; $150, a crib; $200, a nice guilt-inducing ultrasound. At the bottom it says, 'ONE LIFE SAVED: PRICELESS'. Never mind that none of these donations are good for more than a few weeks or a few months at a time. A child grows out of a car seat and it won't do you any good if you haven't got a car anyway. A crib, similarly, is outgrown, and a whopping $200 for an ultrasound that will no doubt be used to fill the poor girl with insurmountable guilt does NOTHING AT ALL to help feed, clothe, or shelter the resulting infant or do anything to help the mother provide for herself or her child.

This made me so furious that I counted the change and donated double to Planned Parenthood.
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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2012, 09:14:30 am »
As is this picture, that I took about two years ago in a client's house (I had a dog-walking/pet-sitting business). It was attached to a plastic baby bottle full of change and the tag attached was from a local anti-abortion organization begging for donations. The tag listed the things you could 'provide' for unplanned children and/or their mothers with comparatively small amounts of change.



It's hard to read, but it says that for $25 you could provide two weeks worth of formula; $35, three weeks worth of diapers; $60 a car seat; $150, a crib; $200, a nice guilt-inducing ultrasound. At the bottom it says, 'ONE LIFE SAVED: PRICELESS'. Never mind that none of these donations are good for more than a few weeks or a few months at a time. A child grows out of a car seat and it won't do you any good if you haven't got a car anyway. A crib, similarly, is outgrown, and a whopping $200 for an ultrasound that will no doubt be used to fill the poor girl with insurmountable guilt does NOTHING AT ALL to help feed, clothe, or shelter the resulting infant or do anything to help the mother provide for herself or her child.

Wow, that's kind of fucked up.
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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2012, 03:22:01 pm »
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Sorry, I didn't mean that it's ONLY men who have loud, contrary opinions on the matter of abortion--just that, in my experience, the loudest ones with the most power tend to be men.

I didn't say you did. I said that, from my own observations, which do not account for the ratios of people actually IN political positions, I do not agree.

And that is pretty fucked up.

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2012, 06:50:08 pm »
Sorry, I didn't mean that it's ONLY men who have loud, contrary opinions on the matter of abortion--just that, in my experience, the loudest ones with the most power tend to be men. (Even though I know that Palin and Bachmann are some of the most anti-choice people in the political realm at the moment and actually DO have uteruses.) I should have clarified that it was an opinion and based on personal experience. It's only because there are more men than women in positions of power on BOTH sides of the political spectrum that it seems like the majority of the most influential anti-choice voices belong to men.

Even so, I still believe that if men could get pregnant then abortion rights would be preserved in every written law since Hammurabi's Code.

What I find the most single-handedly infuriating about almost everyone on the anti-choice side is that they don't give a fuck about the 'defense of life' or caring for the innocent little babies. They're overwhelmingly (but not invariably) staunchly against social welfare programs and assistance that the mothers of unwanted children or the caretakers of orphans and foster kids desperately need. They're against healthcare, public assistance, food stamps, free childcare, and reduced/free education or job training for the mothers to pull them out of poverty. 'Pro-life until birth' was written as a satire but it sums up their ideology pretty well.

This comic (linked for size) is relevant.

As is this picture, that I took about two years ago in a client's house (I had a dog-walking/pet-sitting business). It was attached to a plastic baby bottle full of change and the tag attached was from a local anti-abortion organization begging for donations. The tag listed the things you could 'provide' for unplanned children and/or their mothers with comparatively small amounts of change.



It's hard to read, but it says that for $25 you could provide two weeks worth of formula; $35, three weeks worth of diapers; $60 a car seat; $150, a crib; $200, a nice guilt-inducing ultrasound. At the bottom it says, 'ONE LIFE SAVED: PRICELESS'. Never mind that none of these donations are good for more than a few weeks or a few months at a time. A child grows out of a car seat and it won't do you any good if you haven't got a car anyway. A crib, similarly, is outgrown, and a whopping $200 for an ultrasound that will no doubt be used to fill the poor girl with insurmountable guilt does NOTHING AT ALL to help feed, clothe, or shelter the resulting infant or do anything to help the mother provide for herself or her child.

This made me so furious that I counted the change and donated double to Planned Parenthood.

There's an Israeli charity that takes this approach. Their whole focus is on pregnant women who would actually prefer to have a child, but simply can't due to economic hardship.
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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2012, 02:33:39 am »


I think what pisses me off the most about that label, is that for the price of that ultrasound, you could feed that baby for 8 weeks, but I doubt the anti-choice people would want that, guilting the parent into giving birth is of course far more important for them.

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2012, 08:47:41 pm »
Klan Parenthood, one of the most virulent anti-choice sites on the web, actually lists the abortion clinics in every state, calling them "death camps." http://www.klannedparenthood.com/History_of_Abortion_Statistics/

considering who one of their heroes is...I find that funny.

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2012, 08:49:59 pm »
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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2012, 08:53:58 pm »
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I thought he was only pro-life for the "Aryan" babies
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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2012, 01:33:44 am »


I think what pisses me off the most about that label, is that for the price of that ultrasound, you could feed that baby for 8 weeks, but I doubt the anti-choice people would want that, guilting the parent into giving birth is of course far more important for them.

What about rent and food for the parents? What about mommy's doctor visits? Or baby doctor's visits?
Or do these people honestly think that's all someone needs to raise a baby?

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2012, 04:58:31 am »
In the words of the great George Carlin: Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2012, 12:18:18 pm »


And what about the rest of the child's development until it reaches adulthood?  Or does it only deserve support when it's an infant?

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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2012, 01:43:50 pm »
That's the whole point. None of this is any help for the resulting baby OR the unwilling incubator, beyond a little token gesture of charity. It does nothing to provide for anyone involved in the long run--basic and medical needs are still unmet and left up to the mother or the state to take care of. No long-term assistance, no helping the parent(s) provide for themselves, no effort taken to find permanent homes for the untold numbers languishing in foster care. It completely boggles my mind that anyone can justify emotionally blackmailing someone facing an already difficult decision, then abandoning them to alone deal with the consequences of something they didn't really even have much of a choice in making. How can you even PRETEND to be the good guys when your battle plan consists entirely of coercion, emotional manipulation, flagrant lies, abandonment, and blame?

Not every member of the anti-choice brigade is also violently opposed to assistance, but the ones who are seem to be the loudest if not the most numerous.

It doesn't make much sense to me, but I'm also not a total asshole.
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Re: Pro-life Terrorism
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2012, 02:01:20 pm »
Well, Cait, if they actually ADMIT that raising a baby is a long, difficult, & resource-consuming process, they can't say you're just a dirty slut who wants to murder babies out of selfish disregard for responsibility or consequence, being too stupid to know what's good for you, &/or just plain bloodlust.

And do you really want to live in that kind of world?

The gesture also does not address the pregnancy aspect, because they just have no answer other than "deal with it." On the other hand, those donations will be GREAT when you have to sell them to pay for food after you lose your job because you had to take maternity leave.
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