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Forum Games / Re: Ask the next poster a question!
« Last post by Art Vandelay on Today at 10:27:43 am »
Gruanckreepruck.

Would you suck a dog's nipple for $50?
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by The_Queen on Today at 03:27:23 am »
No, before that, when the GOP are trying to get the Democratic votes they need in the Senate.

We know that the public will blame the GOP for a shutdown over the Democrats.

We also know that everything I mentioned--net neutrality, protecting Dreamers, funding CHIP, and protecting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid--are popular (at least 60% on each). Legalization of marijuana's also pretty popular.

If you're asking for popular things, then you have the edge in messaging--we were asking for these highly popular things, and the GOP wouldn't give us any of them. It does not mean that you refuse to sign off on anything that doesn't include all of them.

The problem is that you don't start from the position you'd be happy to end up at. You start from a position beyond that (but not one that is unreasonable) so that you can reach the compromise you wanted all along. And the Democrats have been doing the former for far too long.

The fatal flaw to your reasoning is that even though those things are popular (and to varying degrees necessary), they are not more immediately necessary than funding the government. Theoretically, you could pass a clean raise to the debt ceiling and then subsequently address those issues, a point which is not lost on most American voters. In fact, in 2013 when the GOP shutdown the government to repeal the ACA, the law only had an approval rating of 40%, with a 50.5% disapproval rating. Nevertheless, the GOP was largely blamed for the shutdown, and voters simply felt that while the ACA was unpopular, it did not warrant shutting down the government.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by SCarpelan on Today at 01:37:12 am »
As a side note, I agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates about what is probably going to happen when whites will soon become a minority in the US: the definition of "white" is going to be changed. The latinos are (edit: relatively) suddenly going to become white and the order of things is going to stay more comfortable.

Probably the Asians before the Latinos.

Latinos look more like dark skinned whites than Asians do, speak an European language and are mostly Christian. The way we think about race means it's easier to expand whiteness to include them despite there being more negative stereotypes attached to them.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 01:11:36 am »
We are gonna have a Government Shutdown because the Orange Piss Pot can't let go of his wall but will let go of CHIP.  Oh they'll try to blame the Dems for this but most of the GOP knows it's gonna be hollow blame considering they control the Government.

Ironbite-and with Trump's prediction of only a terrorists attack being able to save the GOP come November, I'm a bit scared.

This is seriously like something out of the Dark Knight: one boat with Dreamers and one boat with CHIP recipients, and Trump has given Schumer a button to blow up one of the ships...

Fuck, I just realized my Avatar his Harley Quinn and I described Trump as The Joker. Just ignore that, this simile isn't perfect.

Which is why the Dems should also be insisting on entrenching Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and legislatively restoring net neutrality. (The latter is pretty likely, since plenty of Republicans support it.) For that matter, repeal of federal criminal law on marijuana (or at a minimum a ban on the use of federal resources to enforce marijuana laws in states that have repealed their criminal laws on the matter) is another one that can win Republican support (just look at Cory Gardner's reaction). Ask for all of that, and you'll get some of it.

Anyway, the GOP was particularly cruel with CHIP, because previously there had never been an issue reauthorizing it, until they decided they needed another hostage.

Yeah, remember last time you held out for everything (Bernie and Jill) and got nothing (Trump)... It doesn't quite work that way.

Did I say anything about holding out for everything?

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Ask for all of that, and you'll get some of it.

Some of it when? After the government shuts down? After people are out of work for however long? Fact is, they could shut the government down asking for all of it, but then they'd be the ones shutting down the government, they'd get the blame, they'd take a hit in public polls, and good luck winning the House or the Senate.

No, before that, when the GOP are trying to get the Democratic votes they need in the Senate.

We know that the public will blame the GOP for a shutdown over the Democrats.

We also know that everything I mentioned--net neutrality, protecting Dreamers, funding CHIP, and protecting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid--are popular (at least 60% on each). Legalization of marijuana's also pretty popular.

If you're asking for popular things, then you have the edge in messaging--we were asking for these highly popular things, and the GOP wouldn't give us any of them. It does not mean that you refuse to sign off on anything that doesn't include all of them.

The problem is that you don't start from the position you'd be happy to end up at. You start from a position beyond that (but not one that is unreasonable) so that you can reach the compromise you wanted all along. And the Democrats have been doing the former for far too long.
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A friend asked me a question that I really wanna know the answer to RE: that last post. Can a Judge be held in contempt of court?

I don't know for sure about the US but in other common law jurisdictions, the answer is no. The contempt is towards the authority (that is the authority of the crown embodied by the Court) of the Court, which the judge cannot do. Besides which judges have judicial immunity.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by The_Queen on January 20, 2018, 10:33:20 pm »
We are gonna have a Government Shutdown because the Orange Piss Pot can't let go of his wall but will let go of CHIP.  Oh they'll try to blame the Dems for this but most of the GOP knows it's gonna be hollow blame considering they control the Government.

Ironbite-and with Trump's prediction of only a terrorists attack being able to save the GOP come November, I'm a bit scared.

This is seriously like something out of the Dark Knight: one boat with Dreamers and one boat with CHIP recipients, and Trump has given Schumer a button to blow up one of the ships...

Fuck, I just realized my Avatar his Harley Quinn and I described Trump as The Joker. Just ignore that, this simile isn't perfect.

Which is why the Dems should also be insisting on entrenching Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and legislatively restoring net neutrality. (The latter is pretty likely, since plenty of Republicans support it.) For that matter, repeal of federal criminal law on marijuana (or at a minimum a ban on the use of federal resources to enforce marijuana laws in states that have repealed their criminal laws on the matter) is another one that can win Republican support (just look at Cory Gardner's reaction). Ask for all of that, and you'll get some of it.

Anyway, the GOP was particularly cruel with CHIP, because previously there had never been an issue reauthorizing it, until they decided they needed another hostage.

Yeah, remember last time you held out for everything (Bernie and Jill) and got nothing (Trump)... It doesn't quite work that way.

Did I say anything about holding out for everything?

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Ask for all of that, and you'll get some of it.

Some of it when? After the government shuts down? After people are out of work for however long? Fact is, they could shut the government down asking for all of it, but then they'd be the ones shutting down the government, they'd get the blame, they'd take a hit in public polls, and good luck winning the House or the Senate.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by dpareja on January 20, 2018, 09:07:21 pm »
......no that's not how that works Tucker.

Ironbite-you raging idiot.

It is if you think America = majority white. The ethno-nationalism is so obvious it's hard to call it implicit.

As a side note, I agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates about what is probably going to happen when whites will soon become a minority in the US: the definition of "white" is going to be changed. The latinos are (edit: relatively) suddenly going to become white and the order of things is going to stay more comfortable.

Probably the Asians before the Latinos.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on January 20, 2018, 09:06:06 pm »
We are gonna have a Government Shutdown because the Orange Piss Pot can't let go of his wall but will let go of CHIP.  Oh they'll try to blame the Dems for this but most of the GOP knows it's gonna be hollow blame considering they control the Government.

Ironbite-and with Trump's prediction of only a terrorists attack being able to save the GOP come November, I'm a bit scared.

This is seriously like something out of the Dark Knight: one boat with Dreamers and one boat with CHIP recipients, and Trump has given Schumer a button to blow up one of the ships...

Fuck, I just realized my Avatar his Harley Quinn and I described Trump as The Joker. Just ignore that, this simile isn't perfect.

Which is why the Dems should also be insisting on entrenching Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and legislatively restoring net neutrality. (The latter is pretty likely, since plenty of Republicans support it.) For that matter, repeal of federal criminal law on marijuana (or at a minimum a ban on the use of federal resources to enforce marijuana laws in states that have repealed their criminal laws on the matter) is another one that can win Republican support (just look at Cory Gardner's reaction). Ask for all of that, and you'll get some of it.

Anyway, the GOP was particularly cruel with CHIP, because previously there had never been an issue reauthorizing it, until they decided they needed another hostage.

Yeah, remember last time you held out for everything (Bernie and Jill) and got nothing (Trump)... It doesn't quite work that way.

Did I say anything about holding out for everything?

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Ask for all of that, and you'll get some of it.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by The_Queen on January 20, 2018, 06:32:44 pm »
We are gonna have a Government Shutdown because the Orange Piss Pot can't let go of his wall but will let go of CHIP.  Oh they'll try to blame the Dems for this but most of the GOP knows it's gonna be hollow blame considering they control the Government.

Ironbite-and with Trump's prediction of only a terrorists attack being able to save the GOP come November, I'm a bit scared.

This is seriously like something out of the Dark Knight: one boat with Dreamers and one boat with CHIP recipients, and Trump has given Schumer a button to blow up one of the ships...

Fuck, I just realized my Avatar his Harley Quinn and I described Trump as The Joker. Just ignore that, this simile isn't perfect.

Which is why the Dems should also be insisting on entrenching Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and legislatively restoring net neutrality. (The latter is pretty likely, since plenty of Republicans support it.) For that matter, repeal of federal criminal law on marijuana (or at a minimum a ban on the use of federal resources to enforce marijuana laws in states that have repealed their criminal laws on the matter) is another one that can win Republican support (just look at Cory Gardner's reaction). Ask for all of that, and you'll get some of it.

Anyway, the GOP was particularly cruel with CHIP, because previously there had never been an issue reauthorizing it, until they decided they needed another hostage.

Yeah, remember last time you held out for everything (Bernie and Jill) and got nothing (Trump)... It doesn't quite work that way.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by SCarpelan on January 20, 2018, 05:50:56 pm »
......no that's not how that works Tucker.

Ironbite-you raging idiot.

It is if you think America = majority white. The ethno-nationalism is so obvious it's hard to call it implicit.

As a side note, I agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates about what is probably going to happen when whites will soon become a minority in the US: the definition of "white" is going to be changed. The latinos are (edit: relatively) suddenly going to become white and the order of things is going to stay more comfortable.
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