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Religion and Philosophy / Re: Christian News Network fundies
« Last post by BobRumba on May 23, 2018, 11:44:40 pm »
No need. Using follow with notifications turned on.

No, but I am talking about for purposes of talking to each other and strategizing.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by Lana Reverse on May 23, 2018, 11:38:42 pm »
But you seem to believe that I hold the position I do because I hold alt-right sympathies. I do not, as I have repeatedly explained.

Actions speak louder then words. 

You are constantly making a thing about defending the free speech of alt-righters, frequently in situations where they aren't actually losing them.  But you never seem to care about alt-righters being violent or suppressing free speech unless we raise the matter.  Hell I once asked you if sending death threats to feminists was censorship and you seriously tried to weasel out of answering, saying their were "subtle nuances" on the issue.

I think you have alt-right sympathies because of your double standards, not because you disagree.  If you acted as someone who was against violence and censorship in general I wouldn't think that.

I started a thread about an eight-year-old boy getting lynched by alt-rightists. A thread where I pointed out that hate speech laws can hurt more than just the alt-right. You were saying?
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by Skybison on May 23, 2018, 11:29:24 pm »
But you seem to believe that I hold the position I do because I hold alt-right sympathies. I do not, as I have repeatedly explained.

Actions speak louder then words. 

You are constantly making a thing about defending the free speech of alt-righters, frequently in situations where they aren't actually losing them.  But you never seem to care about alt-righters being violent or suppressing free speech unless we raise the matter.  Hell I once asked you if sending death threats to feminists was censorship and you seriously tried to weasel out of answering, saying their were "subtle nuances" on the issue.

I think you have alt-right sympathies because of your double standards, not because you disagree.  If you acted as someone who was against violence and censorship in general I wouldn't think that.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Lana Reverse on May 23, 2018, 11:06:42 pm »
In other news, a judge ruled that Trump can't block people on Twitter:

http://thehill.com/regulation/389021-judge-rules-trump-cant-block-users-on-twitter
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by Lana Reverse on May 23, 2018, 10:58:07 pm »
Kid, you aren't "winning" this debate and I believe understanding why that is, is going to help you a lot in life.

This is not a game, there are no rules and referees (other than the forum rules but that's a separate matter) in this. You don't score points or win anything by trying to get a "gotcha" out of people. Most importantly, no matter how well you write your comments, no matter how many people you have helping you find articles that defend the indefensible, you can't "win" by trying to argue that up is down.

This is real life debate and there are only two things that matter: a) can you make people believe that you are correct? b) what is the correct answer to the debated issue?

For the first part, you haven't convinced anyone that Nazis are the real victims that need protection or that Antifa is somehow really, really bad. For the latter part the answer is pretty much the same, Nazis bad, Antifa hooligans who band together because they don't like Nazis.

And here's another thing: We don't really care about making you admit "defeat" either. This isn't a game for us. When we see someone jump in to defend Nazis and fictional Nazis and complain about people who oppose Nazis we get upset because that's a pretty shitty thing to do. If it looks like everyone is ganging up on you it's just because there's no one else here who uses every single excuse to defend Nazis.

Heck, I've talked about non-violence before when some folks (*cough* Niam *cough) go over board, but even I know that Nazis are the real villains here.

And as another person who would get a bullet in the head if they take charge this is not an idle topic. In fact, simply as a person who opposes genocides I take personal interest in the "should Nazis be allowed to freely preach their hate and gain political power" matters.

First of all, I'd like to point out that I wasn't the one who talked about victory and defeat in this discussion, except to deny that I was losing. That was ironbite and Svata:

Lana can I ask you to stop?  Like seriously.  Just stop.

Ironbite-you lost long ago.

Everyone here has dismissed your arguments as frivolous and lacking in merit. You have convinced no one of anything, save that you think that protecting Nazis right to gather more Nazis and spread their hateful doctrine is more important than protecting oneself against Nazis. Take the L, already.

But now, I'd like to talk about the constant mischaracterization of my reasoning and why it makes it so much harder to discuss this issue with you. When I discuss things with people, I don't expect them to agree with me. What I do expect is for them to make an effort to understand my position and my reasons for holding it. I believe I understand your position, and that of the others. You seem to believe that the Nazis have to be stopped from gaining power and hurting people, and that the best way to do that is through violence. My stance is that people have certain rights and freedoms, no matter what their views are; that the "punch a Nazi" mentality does more harm than good; and that Antifa have attacked too many non-fascists to be lionized as some noble resistance movement. But you seem to believe that I hold the position I do because I hold alt-right sympathies. I do not, as I have repeatedly explained. But you keep on insisting that I must have far-right leanings, because what other reason could I possibly have for disagreeing with you? And these constant accusations just wear me down and irritate me. Even if they didn't, it's so hard to debate things with somebody who doesn't understand where I'm coming from. How am I supposed to argue with people who can't understand my viewpoint?

EDIT:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNQ2SpHkNI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNQ2SpHkNI</a>

Right from the Fascist-horse's mouth: They do not care about free-speech and are only using it as a tool.

I know full well that the alt-right doesn't care about free speech. They are no friends of civil liberties. But they should still be able to express their viewpoints. As much as I despise what they have to say, I will defend to the death their right to say it. And it's not just for moral reasons, but practical ones too. Letting bigots and extremists express their viewpoints makes it easier to counter them. It also makes it harder for them to play victim or claim to have stumbled on a truth that "they" don't want the general public to know. I think we should let radical Muslims talk about how much they hate the West. We should let tankies scream about how their hatred of charity. And yes, we should let the alt-right spew its bile.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by The_Queen on May 23, 2018, 08:18:47 pm »
EDIT:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNQ2SpHkNI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNQ2SpHkNI</a>

Right from the Fascist-horse's mouth: They do not care about free-speech and are only using it as a tool.

Wow, that almost sounds like something that a nazi would do...
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Bug Reports / Re: What’s going on with fstdt.com?
« Last post by RavynousHunter on May 23, 2018, 07:43:07 pm »
HA, tis okay, I'm just being a pedant.
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Religion and Philosophy / Re: Christian News Network fundies
« Last post by Bob J. on May 23, 2018, 07:30:17 pm »
I just responded to LadyInChrist. Seven minutes later she replies and instantly Guest Verified up votes her comment.
Collusion? Why would someone need a secret website, simple traffic analysis tells the whole story.

Do you think they use a secret website, though?  Lady Checkmate’s “Community Council” board gets used sometimes.

No need. Using follow with notifications turned on. Remember you can turn following on for a few minutes then turn it back to private in order to allow a follower. Remember too that a sock may be doing the following.

some sample posters -
                  followers         following
LadyInChrist      77      275
LadyCheckmate            5      39
WorldGoneCrazy    134      72
Guest Verified      1      14
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@christiannewsnetwork is the Disqus address for their moderator.  This is huge. 

I can now page them on my Disqus channel too if I so desire.
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Religion and Philosophy / The elusive Christian News Network moderator appears
« Last post by BobRumba on May 23, 2018, 06:33:55 pm »
This is extremely rare, but the moderator showed up and spoke:

https://christiannews.net/2018/05/21/california-pastor-resigns-over-vile-profanity-laced-tweets-expressing-frustration-with-city/

If you want to ask a question about being banned or censored, now is your chance.
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