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Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« on: January 29, 2012, 03:17:32 pm »
Not sure if this should go here, due to the fact that it was honor killings, or in the P&G section, but here it is...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/shafia-jury-enters-second-full-day-deliberations-kingston-090532874.html

If you feel this is more political than religious, feel free to move it :)
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 03:28:39 pm »
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 04:36:15 pm »
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Geeti was becoming almost impossible to control: skipping school, failing classes, being sent home for wearing revealing clothes and stealing. But her most egregious breach was telling almost every authority figure she encountered that she wanted to be sent to foster care, the Crown said.

If a child was asking to go to foster care why did no one investigate this family?
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 05:05:13 pm »
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Geeti was becoming almost impossible to control: skipping school, failing classes, being sent home for wearing revealing clothes and stealing. But her most egregious breach was telling almost every authority figure she encountered that she wanted to be sent to foster care, the Crown said.

If a child was asking to go to foster care why did no one investigate this family?

Yeah, that's some serious fail right there. If a child hates their living situation so much that they would rather leave their family and be juggled through America's terrible adoption/foster care system, then any person with half a brain cell should investigate that shit.

Also, inb4 "This is proof that Muslims are evil"
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 05:18:18 pm »
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Geeti was becoming almost impossible to control: skipping school, failing classes, being sent home for wearing revealing clothes and stealing. But her most egregious breach was telling almost every authority figure she encountered that she wanted to be sent to foster care, the Crown said.

If a child was asking to go to foster care why did no one investigate this family?

Yeah, that's some serious fail right there. If a child hates their living situation so much that they would rather leave their family and be juggled through America's terrible adoption/foster care system, then any person with half a brain cell should investigate that shit.

Also, inb4 "This is proof that Muslims are evil"

This was in Canada, not the US.

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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 05:22:08 pm »
Yeah, that's some serious fail right there. If a child hates their living situation so much that they would rather leave their family and be juggled through America's terrible adoption/foster care system, then any person with half a brain cell should investigate that shit.

Also, inb4 "This is proof that Muslims are evil"

This is a Canadian story, but yeah, wanting to go into foster care should have been a big warning sign. I'm guessing it was fobbed off as 'brat is trying to use the old children's aid threat to get what she wants from her parents.'

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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 05:26:03 pm »
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Geeti was becoming almost impossible to control: skipping school, failing classes, being sent home for wearing revealing clothes and stealing. But her most egregious breach was telling almost every authority figure she encountered that she wanted to be sent to foster care, the Crown said.

If a child was asking to go to foster care why did no one investigate this family?

Yeah, that's some serious fail right there. If a child hates their living situation so much that they would rather leave their family and be juggled through America's terrible adoption/foster care system, then any person with half a brain cell should investigate that shit.

Also, inb4 "This is proof that Muslims are evil"

This was in Canada, not the US.

Oh. Right. My bad.

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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 05:47:53 pm »
Good. Hopefully this will discourage other honour killings.

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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 05:48:53 pm »
I'd imagine that in the U.S. and Canada, "honor killings" are actually rare. But when they do happen, the news jumps all over the stories because it will attract attention.

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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 05:51:50 pm »
Rare or not, the fact that they happen AT FUCKING ALL and the people committing them see absolutely no problem with them at all to the point of making STATEMENTS IN COURT like these:

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"We are not criminal, we are not murderer, we didn't commit the murder and this is unjust," Shafia said through an interpreter when the judge asked if he had anything to say.

Yahya, who spent a withering six days on the stand testifying in her own defence, was similarly assertive.

"Your honourable justice, this is not just," she said, also through an interpreter. "I am not a murderer, and I am a mother — a mother!"

Yeah, no. That's not okay. I don't care how rarely they happen--or how rarely they're PERSECUTED, in any case--I'm offended and enraged that they occur at all.
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2012, 06:05:35 pm »
I remember reading about cases in the UK and Germany.
According to this piece, there are around 12 a year in the UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_1.shtml
This article says around 17,000 women are
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The Guardian has different figures
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/03/honour-crimes-uk-rising

And it's not just a Muslim thing:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/02/12/sikh-dad-strangled-daughter-who-was-in-relationship-with-white-soldier-115875-22916889/
http://bari.repubblica.it/cronaca/2011/08/05/news/sei_il_disonore_della_famiglia-20061452/?ref=HREC2-6 (according to Wikipedia and Google translate, a man was killed by hisbrother for being homosexual)

And yeah, the family's attitudes are disgusting. But I'm sure they have some consolation like "We saved them from going to hell" or something like that.

Edit: Nope, it seems the Shafia family is happy and are only bothered with their honour.
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 06:18:13 pm »
Honestly, I don't care why anybody commits an 'honour' killing or any other kind of ritual/cultural/religious killing. I don't care how much 'good' they think they're doing for the victim, or themselves, or their families, or their communities by offing someone over some neolithic superstition--the fact is that except for self-defense or euthanasia of the ill and suffering, there just flat-out isn't a good reason to kill anybody. Nothing you can say, no god you can appeal to, no 'IT'S MY CULTURE!!' crap you can hide behind can change that. I don't care how ethnocentric of me this is, either. IT IS OBJECTIVELY NOT OKAY AND NOTHING IN THE WORLD CHANGES THAT.
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 07:11:04 pm »
Ya know, I'd sentence them back to the Iron Age they love so much, but I wouldn't want to run the risk of having them screwing with one of my ancestors.  So, yes, let them be surrounded by iron bars, not to keep the daemons from getting to them, but to keep the devils they are from getting to any other civilized human beings.
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Re: Shafia's found guilty of 1st Degree Murder
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 08:20:31 pm »
The funny thing is, is that this isn't much of a "muslim" phenomenom.  In India, women are killed, beaten, set on fire for marrying the wrong caste, and who hasn't heard of some white dad killing his daughter because she was dating a 'no good troublmaker'

Muslims just have a term for it.   That being said, I'm glad they've been convicted.  When it first broke in the news, the parents played the role of 'grieving parents', which in hindsight, seemed even more despicable.