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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2017, 02:38:17 pm »
There are communists i n Finland at least. Not many and they have several political parties because tbey can't stand each other. The fall of USSR caused a lot of ideological splits.

Nowadays leftists are mainly in the "Nordic democracy seems awesome let's go back to that" and generally they are not in support of a communist state.

Meh, that's just the sales pitch.

It's basically analogous when a detatchment of Jehovas Witnesses come to your door showing you brightly coloured artwork of what heaven looks like.

"See how wonderful these Nordics are, we should be like them!" they say, so you sign up and only too late do you realise that you've joined a sadistic cult that controls every aspect of your life and enforces your conformity with dire threats against you and your family.

And the best bit is if you observe the people telling you that modern leftism is nothing like Stalin and Mao, and all that stuff is just [insert no true scotsman fallacy here], you begin to see those people display the same authoritarian tendecies, the desires to crush and silence dissenting viewpoints and the constant attempts to purge the ideologically impure.

It's fun to watch as an outsider, ideally I'd like to keep you all in an ant farm so I could watch it happen and not have you anywhere near anything with actual political influence.


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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2017, 06:06:56 pm »
Oh gawd, it's the "they want public utilities-next step the gulag" speech. Beware the public lending library, it's but a facade hiding a massive salt mine!
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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2017, 07:18:00 pm »
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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2017, 07:48:02 pm »
Daily reminder that Joseph McCarthy offered his service as a lawyer to literal Nazis.

And yeah the slippery slope fallacy is still a fallacy, but then its always been the case that for conservatives, anything to the left is automatically suspicious, in part because it entails a world view that doesn't fear their eternally disapproving sky daddy.
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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2017, 09:52:08 pm »
"See how wonderful these Nordics are, we should be like them!" they say, so you sign up and only too late do you realise that you've joined a sadistic cult that controls every aspect of your life and enforces your conformity with dire threats against you and your family.
So then, how exactly did the Nordics themselves come to exist in the first place? I mean, if going from halfway decent public services to literal death camps is indeed inevitable, then surely the Scandinavian countries should be totalitarian hellholes to rival North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Myanmar, right?

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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2017, 10:21:28 pm »
"See how wonderful these Nordics are, we should be like them!" they say, so you sign up and only too late do you realise that you've joined a sadistic cult that controls every aspect of your life and enforces your conformity with dire threats against you and your family.
So then, how exactly did the Nordics themselves come to exist in the first place? I mean, if going from halfway decent public services to literal death camps is indeed inevitable, then surely the Scandinavian countries should be totalitarian hellholes to rival North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Myanmar, right?

Finnish people don't exist, they're a propaganda campaign by North Korea to fool simple people living in free nations like Russia, the UK, and Jesus-Land (colloquially known as "America").
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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2017, 02:25:59 am »
"See how wonderful these Nordics are, we should be like them!" they say, so you sign up and only too late do you realise that you've joined a sadistic cult that controls every aspect of your life and enforces your conformity with dire threats against you and your family.
So then, how exactly did the Nordics themselves come to exist in the first place? I mean, if going from halfway decent public services to literal death camps is indeed inevitable, then surely the Scandinavian countries should be totalitarian hellholes to rival North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Myanmar, right?

I can tell you one thing, Social Democrat societies don't arise from Marxists-who-claim-not-to-be-Marxists telling you that they're just looking to provide public services.

Here's a fun little example:

John McDonnell, Labour party exemplar going on national TV, describes himself as a socialist, denies his Marxism

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68a9mMWJBc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68a9mMWJBc</a>

Then later appears at a nice "socialist" rally with totally not Marxist Hammers and Sickles



So the pattern is clear, you can chat all the Social Democrat pleasantries you like, but if you then go on to flaunt your communist credentials it gives the game away.  You can call it a slippery slope if you like, but if the slope is there and is covered in Marxist soap suds, you can't deny the reality of it.


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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2017, 04:15:11 am »
That doesn't even come close to answering my question.

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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2017, 04:35:20 am »
That doesn't even come close to answering my question.

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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2017, 04:58:02 am »
Contrarian, if the social Democrats always do an Ultron-like shift into giant fire breathing Stalin robots, then why has every communist revolutionary of the 20th century been a die-hard communist who rejected western style social democracy? Lenin was annoyed with trade unions and traditional socialists because they were all obsessed with what he considered petty issues like working conditions and wages. His "Vanguard of the "Proletariat" was his way of saying that they couldn't be trusted get their shit together. Mao campaigned as communist so did Che Guevara. The North Korean party was planted there by the Soviet union and every anti commies favorite bugbear, Pol Pot, was so fucking radical the Viet Cong thought he was nuts! These were not people who started campaigning with "lets get some safe spaces and healthcare going guyyyss, everyone be cool mannn..."

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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2017, 06:27:32 pm »
That doesn't even come close to answering my question.

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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2017, 09:03:15 pm »
There are communists i n Finland at least. Not many and they have several political parties because tbey can't stand each other. The fall of USSR caused a lot of ideological splits.

Nowadays leftists are mainly in the "Nordic democracy seems awesome let's go back to that" and generally they are not in support of a communist state.

Meh, that's just the sales pitch.

It's basically analogous when a detatchment of Jehovas Witnesses come to your door showing you brightly coloured artwork of what heaven looks like.

"See how wonderful these Nordics are, we should be like them!" they say, so you sign up and only too late do you realise that you've joined a sadistic cult that controls every aspect of your life and enforces your conformity with dire threats against you and your family.

There's no actual evidence for this of course, but since when do Tories lower themselves to these silly prole "facts"?
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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2017, 06:37:59 am »
Contrarian, if the social Democrats always do an Ultron-like shift into giant fire breathing Stalin robots, then why has every communist revolutionary of the 20th century been a die-hard communist who rejected western style social democracy? Lenin was annoyed with trade unions and traditional socialists because they were all obsessed with what he considered petty issues like working conditions and wages. His "Vanguard of the "Proletariat" was his way of saying that they couldn't be trusted get their shit together. Mao campaigned as communist so did Che Guevara. The North Korean party was planted there by the Soviet union and every anti commies favorite bugbear, Pol Pot, was so fucking radical the Viet Cong thought he was nuts! These were not people who started campaigning with "lets get some safe spaces and healthcare going guyyyss, everyone be cool mannn..."

The key flaw in your assumption as that these people were ever social democrats to start with.  If your "traditional socialists" don't mix well with actual Marxists then surely we should be just a mite suspicious about someone who publicly proclaims his socialist credentials but then turns out to be a hammer and sickle waving Leninist?  It just reinforces my point that there's a fucking sinister undercurrent to all of this and if you believe the public persona these fucks are putting on, then they're playing you like a fiddle.


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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2017, 06:47:20 am »
There are communists i n Finland at least. Not many and they have several political parties because tbey can't stand each other. The fall of USSR caused a lot of ideological splits.

Nowadays leftists are mainly in the "Nordic democracy seems awesome let's go back to that" and generally they are not in support of a communist state.

Meh, that's just the sales pitch.

It's basically analogous when a detatchment of Jehovas Witnesses come to your door showing you brightly coloured artwork of what heaven looks like.

"See how wonderful these Nordics are, we should be like them!" they say, so you sign up and only too late do you realise that you've joined a sadistic cult that controls every aspect of your life and enforces your conformity with dire threats against you and your family.

There's no actual evidence for this of course, but since when do Tories lower themselves to these silly prole "facts"?

Oh look it's commubot.  Here to regale us with more tales of Venezuela's prosperity and decry the ebul Tories and the massive and totally fictional recession they've caused, no doubt.

I mean it's a nice touch having a socialist version of cleverbot running on the forum, it's funny and topical in a "Fake News"-y kind of way, but it could do with some tuning as the stuff its spouting seems to be at a 180 degree variance from observable reality.


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Re: Redneck revolt
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2017, 08:13:10 am »
Speaking of observable reality, you've still yet to explain how the existence of the Nordics and their perfectly functional democratic socialist governments is a thing according to your world view.