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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: davedan on February 13, 2017, 09:14:14 pm
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Michael Flynn stated that he did not discuss the sanctions imposed by Obama on Russia at the end of his term in phone calls with the Russian Ambassador prior to Trump being sworn in. Turns out that was probably a lie http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/10/just-how-much-trouble-is-michael-flynn-in/?utm_term=.a35b2dec1288 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/10/just-how-much-trouble-is-michael-flynn-in/?utm_term=.a35b2dec1288).
Bearing in mind that these communications are recorded and listened into on both ends it is amazing that he thought he would get away with the lie. He also misinformed Mike Pence. Is this the first Trump official who has to step down?
Do you think the same people who called for Hillary to go to prison are going to be red hot to prosecute Flynn? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/12/does-the-white-house-stand-by-michael-flynn-thats-a-question-for-the-president/?utm_term=.d059ab296d4f[/url)
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Do you think the same people who called for Hillary to go to prison are going to be red hot to prosecute Flynn?
No... because he has a penis.
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I don't think it's just the penis. These people were just as red hot to get Bill Clinton as they were for Hillary. Because lying about a blowjob is as important as lying about deals with foreign governments.
Having said that I don't think they would ever have been so enthusiastic to jail Hillary if she had schlong. To this day I haven't figured out what she was meant to have done.
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Wasn't this the guy who made the world's quickest flip-flop on abortion?
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I don't think it's just the penis. These people were just as red hot to get Bill Clinton as they were for Hillary. Because lying about a blowjob is as important as lying about deals with foreign governments.
They were hot to get Clinton because he broke what they'd thought was a Republican stranglehold on the Presidency. They'd been painting Democratic candidates as "wacky liberals" for a good while, and crushing them, and suddenly Clinton comes along and presents himself as being decidedly not that and (with some help from Perot, to be sure) wins. And they were just as hot to get Hillary because she was (or at least was seen as) the power behind the throne. It didn't matter that he pushed the Democratic Party ideologically closer to the Republican Party (Who did NAFTA? Clinton. Who repealed Glass-Steagall? Clinton), he was a Democrat who won the Presidency, and then he won it again. They couldn't stand that, so they pulled out the stops to get him.
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So Flynn resigned among rumors he was being blackmailed by Russia. My question is with all of this Russian news going on over these past months, is there anyone else being blackmailed in the Trump administration? Anyone else that could be compromising our security? I've heard that our intelligence agencies don't want to tell trump anything because they're afraid he'll blab it all to Putin.
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All this caused by a bunch of drooling morons who thought this would "shake up" the establishment. Perhaps disinterest and contempt were all Trump Voters really deserved.
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So he did resign. First one down. How many more will go before the first 100 days are up? My bet is at least 4
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Nah, the guy's a conspiracy theorist, isn't respected by his peers and seems a few stubbies short of a six pack.
Closer to Trump's heart than Pence by a country mile!
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Trump fans at Reddit blame Obama, teh DEEP STATE, "cucks" and everyone else other than Trump while at the same time insisting that what Flynn did was no big deal...
Edit: Also claims that firing Flynn means that Trump is serious about "draining the sawmp" and that we should stop talking about this "non-issue."
And everyone they dislike is a "cuck" or a pedophile.
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Die hard trump fans will look for any excuse to blame Obama.
Or Clinton.
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This is true. Hell, I saw someone on twitter blaming Obama for the failed raid on Yemen.
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Trump team managed to make people believe that the plan was made during the Obama administration and that's why Trump can't be blamed for the failure (or they claim that it went just as planned and few dead children are not a problem.)
In reality though Obama had refused to accept the mission as it seemed too risky. The military continued gathering more information and the plan kept evolving, but as soon as Trump got the throne he told them to do it immediately. Risk taking and getting a successful anti-terrorism mission during his first month would have given him bragging rights if it had succeeded...
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They want to blame Obama because Obama appointed him the director of the defense intelligence agency. With him clearly not being a fan of Obama or Clinton, I'm not sure why he did that.
But it was Trump that made him his national security advisor.
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And Rump who had him call Russia with word the sanctions would be lifted really soon.
Ironbite-thats what got him dinged
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So if Trump had him call Russia about sanctions before Trump was even sworn into office shouldn't this all be traced back to Trump?
I can't believe were only four weeks into his term. This is the kind of shit that comes out like 3 to four years or way into a second term of a presidency.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/key-republicans-who-held-dozens-of-benghazi-hearings-now-eager-to-sweep-flynn-scandal-under-the-rug/
TL;DR: The same people who were screaming and crying BENGHAZI! for years have no problems with Flynn scandal. In fact, they don't think that there is a need for any independent investigation into this. No need to do anything about it in fact. Just pat the guy in the back and let him go. Ignore any evidence of Trump and the rest of the team breaking laws too.
Anyone surprised?
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Republicans at this point are probably trying to avoid any kind of scandal by sweeping the bullshit under the rug. All of the Trump Trouble that is occuring reflects on them because they are of the same party and are pretty much in charge of all aspects of the government. Hopefully the Democrats continue to hold them accountable for everything.
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Republicans at this point are probably trying to avoid any kind of scandal by sweeping the bullshit under the rug. All of the Trump Trouble that is occuring reflects on them because they are of the same party and are pretty much in charge of all aspects of the government. Hopefully the Democrats continue to hold them accountable for everything.
Hopefully, this will mean they're finally getting a spine.
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They have abandoned pretty much every principle they have just so that they would gain power or stay in power. Why change now when all they have to do is continue pushing their laws while Trump distracts the voters and later they can claim that they saved USA from Trump. A sizeable amount of voters will believe them.
Democrats on the other hand will go back to acting the usual way as soon as Trump is out. And by usual I mean that enough of them will side with the GOP that they can't get things done even if they have the majority.
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Republicans at this point are probably trying to avoid any kind of scandal by sweeping the bullshit under the rug. All of the Trump Trouble that is occuring reflects on them because they are of the same party and are pretty much in charge of all aspects of the government. Hopefully the Democrats continue to hold them accountable for everything.
Hopefully, this will mean they're finally getting a spine.
Nah, it means what used to be GOP tactics that were inconvenient are now politically convenient.
They're still jellyfish!
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I think a lot hinges on whether the Dems can get their act together and avoid last year's mistakes. If they can manage that, I think it'll be smooth sailing.
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So he did resign. First one down. How many more will go before the first 100 days are up? My bet is at least 4
You may be half way there (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.bfc4cc4e5688#comments)
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So he did resign. First one down. How many more will go before the first 100 days are up? My bet is at least 4
You may be half way there (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.bfc4cc4e5688#comments)
Well Sessions is the one charged with investigating all these shenanigans so I guess he should be alright
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So he did resign. First one down. How many more will go before the first 100 days are up? My bet is at least 4
You may be half way there (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.bfc4cc4e5688#comments)
Well Sessions is the one charged with investigating all these shenanigans so I guess he should be alright
Aaand, Sessions just got caught lying about not talking to the Russians during the election (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?postshare=8441488419989396&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.cba9c50071e4).
Fancy that.
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Guys...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AG Sessions should clarify his testimony and recuse himself</p>— Jason Chaffetz (@jasoninthehouse) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse/status/837290054385033218">March 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That's the head of the House Oversight committee who is on record saying there is no war in Ba Sing Sae saying Sessions needs to recuse himself.
Ironbite-this might be the first crack in an already unstable wall.
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So he did resign. First one down. How many more will go before the first 100 days are up? My bet is at least 4
You may be half way there (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.bfc4cc4e5688#comments)
Well Sessions is the one charged with investigating all these shenanigans so I guess he should be alright
Aaand, Sessions just got caught lying about not talking to the Russians during the election (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?postshare=8441488419989396&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.cba9c50071e4).
Fancy that.
And now he's recused himself from the investigation.
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Hasn't he been caught lying under oath? Shouldn't he step down for that?
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Hasn't he been caught lying under oath? Shouldn't he step down for that?
Maybe in years gone by, but ever since 54* Senators decided that perjury wasn't an impeachable offence the bar is probably rather higher.
*Yes, the vote was 45-55, but one of those 55 was Specter, who voted "not proven" rather than "not guilty." Rehnquist directed that it be considered a "not guilty" vote.
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Unrelated:
"For partisan Democrats, all you have to do is say 'Russia' and it constitutes an argument."