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Religion and Philosophy / Re: Just how many priests have been accused of sex crimes?
« Last post by davedan on February 20, 2018, 05:15:42 pm »
The Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, found (from the wikipedia page, which has citations):

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The Commission revealed 7% of Australian priests between 1950–2009 were accused of abusing children, and that one Catholic order had 40.4% of their non-ordained members with allegations against them in this period.

I don't know what the general percentage of Child Molesters is in the community Given they reckon one in 10 kids suffer from sexual abuse, I would have thought the 7% is probably the community average or a little higher (given that perpetrators usually have more than one victim).

However once you get to 40% you are running a refuge for rock spiders.

Edit: Sorry here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
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Religion and Philosophy / Re: Just how many priests have been accused of sex crimes?
« Last post by Eiki-mun on February 20, 2018, 03:42:13 pm »
Why are you asking us? It says how many right there in the link you posted. 109.
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I wonder what the overall proportion of sex offenders to people is amongst the clergy.  Like, what are the (admittedly a bit rough) odds that any given priest is going to give your kid a lesson in a different kind of indulgence?
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 20, 2018, 02:46:50 am »
Don't worry. The 28th Amendment will be passed by then and all the money--evil or otherwise--will be banished from politics.

EDIT: Also, I don't say with any certainty that Sanders would have won (since there are too many counterfactuals), and I think Clinton could have won, if she'd had a competent campaign that focused on policy and didn't ignore states like Wisconsin and Michigan for almost the entire time.

EDIT #2: Meanwhile...

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374536-trump-takes-last-spot-in-presidential-rankings-survey-on-overall

In the first "Presidents and Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey" taken after President Trump had spent a significant time in office (survey period: December 22, 2017 to January 16, 2018), respondents being 170 current and recently former members of the American Political Science Association, Trump ranks...

Dead last.

#1 is Lincoln; #2 is Washington.

https://sps.boisestate.edu/politicalscience/files/2018/02/Greatness.pdf

Note first that of the 166 respondents who listed a party affiliation, 95 were Democrats, 45 independents, 21 Republicans, and 5 other. As for their self-considered ideological bent, 54 consider themselves liberal, 43 somewhat liberal, 40 moderate, 20 somewhat conservative, and 9 conservative. This will of course bias the survey somewhat.

Following them are FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Jefferson, Truman, and Eisenhower, that order being unchanged from 2014. However, Obama ranked 18th in 2014 and is now 8th. (I'm not sure if they know how much that's because of contrasts to the current incumbent, however.)

The bottom five are Andrew Johnson, Pierce, William Henry Harrison, Buchanan, and Trump.

Respondents identifying as Republican placed Trump 40th, with Andrew Johnson, Pierce, William Henry Harrison, and Buchanan below him. Those identifying as Democrats placed Trump dead last in 44th (Buchanan was 43rd). Others placed him 43rd on average, above Buchanan.

Respondents identifying as conservatives also placed Trump 40th, followed by Pierce, Andrew Johnson, William Henry Harrison, and Buchanan. Those identifying as liberals placed Trump 44th, with Buchanan in 43rd, as did moderates.

The top-fives are also somewhat interesting:

Republicans

Washington
Lincoln
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Reagan

Democrats

Lincoln
FDR
Washington
Teddy Roosevelt
Jefferson

Independents

Lincoln
Washington
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Jefferson

Conservatives

Washington
Lincoln
Reagan
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt

Liberals

Lincoln
FDR
Washington
Teddy Roosevelt
Jefferson

Moderates

Lincoln
Washington
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Jefferson

If respondents had to pick another President to place on Mount Rushmore, an overwhelming majority, 65.9%, would choose Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Other responses, in order, were Barack Obama, Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, James Madison, Lyndon Johnson, William McKinley, Andrew Jackson, Harry Truman, James Polk, John Adams, Bill Clinton, Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, and Richard Nixon. (Some respondents named Washington, Lincoln, or Roosevelt.)

FDR was the top choice among all groups of party affiliation or ideology, overwhelmingly among Democrats, liberals and moderates, a majority among independents, and a plurality among Republicans and conservatives.

They also looked at how polarizing various Presidents were. I'll quote their methodology:

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In the current polarized political climate, we thought it would be interesting to ask which presidents were considered by presidency experts to be the most polarizing. To do so, we asked respondents to identify up to five individual presidents they believed were the most polarizing, and then rank order them with the first president being the most polarizing, the second as next most polarizing, and so on. We then calculated how many times a president was identified as well as their average ranking. The results of this question can be seen in the table below.

Trump was by far the most-listed President, at 138 respondents, and on average the most polarizing. The other Presidents listed at least 50 times were Andrew Jackson, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Richard Nixon, and Abraham Lincoln.

They also issued a report card for Trump, on the A-B-C-D-F scale, with Trump receiving 2 Ds and 3 Fs--but even Republicans only gave him 2 Cs and 3 Ds. (Conservatives were harsher, at 4 Ds and 1 F.)
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by niam2023 on February 20, 2018, 02:30:34 am »
Dpareja again showing that Sanders Supporters will absolutely never get over their hatred of Clinton - now for failing to win an election they in all likelihood believe Sanders could've carried.

Any data chart, any talking point is fair game for being used as a cudgel. My family and I were and are proud Clinton supporters. If that makes us corporate shills, then I will wear my corporatist badge with honor - and state in the future I hope to become a big enough money maker to be in your lobbying, corrupting your democrats with my EEEEEEEEVILLLLLLLLL MONEY!
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Religion and Philosophy / Just how many priests have been accused of sex crimes?
« Last post by dpareja on February 20, 2018, 02:22:37 am »
http://bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbylastName-A.html

A database of accusations against Roman Catholic clergy regarding sexual abuse of minors and possession of child pornography--US priests only (and it's still huge).

As I saw it put, the Mafia has better standards than the Catholic Church, because if the mob found out that some of its members were raping kids, they'd off them.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 20, 2018, 02:20:33 am »
Against "evil-rapist-Mexican-Jobstealers" , against NAFTA, against TPP.

But he proposed policy solutions there (stupid ones, generally, but nonetheless). Most of what Clinton talked about was personal attacks on Trump.

And here's two more: raising the minimum wage (though he also said it should be eliminated), and raising taxes on the rich (though he also said those should be lowered).

Oh, and that pharmaceutical companies are ripping off and effectively killing Americans (which is true, but he changed his tune on that one after one meeting with pharma lobbyists... but that was after he'd won).

Trump--in his stupid, idiotic way--talked about issues and proposed policy solutions. Clinton didn't.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Askold on February 20, 2018, 01:27:15 am »
Against "evil-rapist-Mexican-Jobstealers" , against NAFTA, against TPP.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on February 20, 2018, 12:55:41 am »
I see you were part of that focus group.

You win elections by giving people something to vote for, not just something to vote against.


Wasn't that like 90% of Trump's campaign? Being against Clinton, being against everything Obama stood for, being against everything Democrats and liberals stand for?

Build the wall? Withdraw from TPP? Renegotiate NAFTA? Get out of the wars (or take out their families, depending on the day)?

And...

http://mediaproject.wesleyan.edu/blog/2016-election-study-published/


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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Askold on February 20, 2018, 12:28:14 am »
I see you were part of that focus group.

You win elections by giving people something to vote for, not just something to vote against.


Wasn't that like 90% of Trump's campaign? Being against Clinton, being against everything Obama stood for, being against everything Democrats and liberals stand for?
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