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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2016, 12:57:38 pm »
Something something something white supremacy, something something something just a coincidentally muslim lone wolf like the last dozen, something something nothing to do with religion something something

I really hope this doesn't affect the flow of so-called brown people into Europe in any way. Because that's the main thing, apparently.
Something something sub par trolling. Something something someone admonish me because even negative attention trumps loneliness.

Something.

That what you meant Conty?

Just pre-empting the usual lines you guys have queued up to deflect the blame from the monthly Islamic massacre.

Hey guys, don't be mean to The Contrarian here, his brain's groin still hurts when he pulled it figuring out how you can believe this, but when your white supremacist American buddies shoot up a church or Anders Brevik does his thing they were just lone actors.
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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2016, 01:20:26 pm »
Something something something white supremacy, something something something just a coincidentally muslim lone wolf like the last dozen, something something nothing to do with religion something something

I really hope this doesn't affect the flow of so-called brown people into Europe in any way. Because that's the main thing, apparently.
Something something sub par trolling. Something something someone admonish me because even negative attention trumps loneliness.

Something.

That what you meant Conty?

Just pre-empting the usual lines you guys have queued up to deflect the blame from the monthly Islamic massacre.

Hey guys, don't be mean to The Contrarian here, his brain's groin still hurts when he pulled it figuring out how you can believe this, but when your white supremacist American buddies shoot up a church or Anders Brevik does his thing they were just lone actors.

Brilliant! Now I just need you to bring up the Iraq war and give me a "Not all..." and my little game of "Progressive Terrorism Apologist Bingo" is won until the next time a poor innocent muslim goes out and massacres a bunch of innocent people.


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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2016, 02:14:35 pm »
Something something something white supremacy, something something something just a coincidentally muslim lone wolf like the last dozen, something something nothing to do with religion something something

I really hope this doesn't affect the flow of so-called brown people into Europe in any way. Because that's the main thing, apparently.
Something something sub par trolling. Something something someone admonish me because even negative attention trumps loneliness.

Something.

That what you meant Conty?

Just pre-empting the usual lines you guys have queued up to deflect the blame from the monthly Islamic massacre.

Hey guys, don't be mean to The Contrarian here, his brain's groin still hurts when he pulled it figuring out how you can believe this, but when your white supremacist American buddies shoot up a church or Anders Brevik does his thing they were just lone actors.

Brilliant! Now I just need you to bring up the Iraq war and give me a "Not all..." and my little game of "Progressive Terrorism Apologist Bingo" is won until the next time a poor innocent muslim goes out and massacres a bunch of innocent people.

You seem to have me pegged as some kind of hardcore Muslim apologist, when in reality I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.  What's your excuse?
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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2016, 02:27:41 pm »
Something something something white supremacy, something something something just a coincidentally muslim lone wolf like the last dozen, something something nothing to do with religion something something

I really hope this doesn't affect the flow of so-called brown people into Europe in any way. Because that's the main thing, apparently.
Something something sub par trolling. Something something someone admonish me because even negative attention trumps loneliness.

Something.

That what you meant Conty?

Just pre-empting the usual lines you guys have queued up to deflect the blame from the monthly Islamic massacre.

Hey guys, don't be mean to The Contrarian here, his brain's groin still hurts when he pulled it figuring out how you can believe this, but when your white supremacist American buddies shoot up a church or Anders Brevik does his thing they were just lone actors.

Brilliant! Now I just need you to bring up the Iraq war and give me a "Not all..." and my little game of "Progressive Terrorism Apologist Bingo" is won until the next time a poor innocent muslim goes out and massacres a bunch of innocent people.

You seem to have me pegged as some kind of hardcore Muslim apologist, when in reality I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.  What's your excuse?

Then why don't you look into a mirror.

You mention two incidents separated by an ocean and several years but both committed by demonstrably unhinged white people; point at them and say "DURR HURR DURR I SUPPOSE YOU THINK THOSE ARE ISOLATED INCIDENTS".

While completely ignoring that islamic terrorists are doing shit like this practically EVERY DAY all over the world.  So you try and deflect the subject matter onto something else entirely because the idea that the muslim population of any given country contains a higher than average quotient of the sort of fuckwit who would gun down a nightclub full of homosexuals or mow down a street full of innocent people with a truck makes you uncomfortable for some reason.



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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2016, 04:41:09 pm »
Something something something white supremacy, something something something just a coincidentally muslim lone wolf like the last dozen, something something nothing to do with religion something something

I really hope this doesn't affect the flow of so-called brown people into Europe in any way. Because that's the main thing, apparently.
Something something sub par trolling. Something something someone admonish me because even negative attention trumps loneliness.

Something.

That what you meant Conty?

Just pre-empting the usual lines you guys have queued up to deflect the blame from the monthly Islamic massacre.

Hey guys, don't be mean to The Contrarian here, his brain's groin still hurts when he pulled it figuring out how you can believe this, but when your white supremacist American buddies shoot up a church or Anders Brevik does his thing they were just lone actors.

Brilliant! Now I just need you to bring up the Iraq war and give me a "Not all..." and my little game of "Progressive Terrorism Apologist Bingo" is won until the next time a poor innocent muslim goes out and massacres a bunch of innocent people.

You seem to have me pegged as some kind of hardcore Muslim apologist, when in reality I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.  What's your excuse?

Then why don't you look into a mirror.

You mention two incidents separated by an ocean and several years but both committed by demonstrably unhinged white people; point at them and say "DURR HURR DURR I SUPPOSE YOU THINK THOSE ARE ISOLATED INCIDENTS".

While completely ignoring that islamic terrorists are doing shit like this practically EVERY DAY all over the world.  So you try and deflect the subject matter onto something else entirely because the idea that the muslim population of any given country contains a higher than average quotient of the sort of fuckwit who would gun down a nightclub full of homosexuals or mow down a street full of innocent people with a truck makes you uncomfortable for some reason.

Ah, that familiar smell of partially digested food from a bad chippy.  I suppose I do feel just about masochistic enough to dissect this white supremacist diarrhea. 

>You mention two incidents separated by an ocean and several years but both committed by demonstrably unhinged white people; point at them and say "DURR HURR DURR I SUPPOSE YOU THINK THOSE ARE ISOLATED INCIDENTS".

Just past the puddle of malt vinegar, you'll see some of the exact same logic an SJW would use, but applied to rad-righters.  "Oh, they were two isolated incidents!  It was a long time ago!  Just ignore the fact that they both had the exact same ideology!"  This is reasonable because, as we all know, the white supremacist will at least apply the same logic to both sides and clam that you must arbitrarily choose between 9/11 and Orlando, or between San Bernandino and Charlie Hebdo if you want to cite a reason fro your distrust of Islam, as well as helpfully point out that you can't mention ISIS and Boko Haram or some similar group in the same sentence, because they aren't technically the same political group.  Oh wait, no they fucking don't. 

>While completely ignoring that islamic terrorists are doing shit like this practically EVERY DAY all over the world.  So you try and deflect the subject matter onto something else entirely because the idea that the muslim population of any given country contains a higher than average quotient of the sort of fuckwit who would gun down a nightclub full of homosexuals or mow down a street full of innocent people with a truck makes you uncomfortable for some reason.

No, I don't.  Clearly, Islamic fundamentalism is a plague.  There is no disagreement here.  My problem is that you and yours refuse to accept that the same truth applies to your radright buddies, who are also a plague.
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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2016, 05:12:01 pm »
No, I don't.  Clearly, Islamic fundamentalism is a plague.  There is no disagreement here.  My problem is that you and yours refuse to accept that the same truth applies to your radright buddies, who are also a plague.

The fact that you feel the need to try and deflect attention towards far-right crazies is pretty telling, but hey.

Nice that you used disease as an analogy.

Far right mentalists would be more like a mutant strain of the flu than yersinia pestis.  It's always there in the background and just once every few years it hits the headlines, kills a few people and the media blows it up out of all proportion before it fades away again.

Islam is like your normal strains of seasonal flu.  It's fucking everywhere, it kills regularly and racks up tens of thousands of victims every year but you hardly ever hear about it in the media apart from when you get sporadic outbreaks in western countries.

Oh and progressives are massively and creepily in favour of importing as many carriers as they can into europe for some unknown reason.



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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2016, 06:51:01 pm »
You could say the same thing about Christianity that inspires terrorists and serial killers alike.

But lets not get in between an English Tory and his Sectarianism lest he remember that the last centuries bomb-happy crowd were Catholics! We don't want to confuse the poor chap now do we?

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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2016, 09:03:45 pm »
No, I don't.  Clearly, Islamic fundamentalism is a plague.  There is no disagreement here.  My problem is that you and yours refuse to accept that the same truth applies to your radright buddies, who are also a plague.

The fact that you feel the need to try and deflect attention towards far-right crazies is pretty telling, but hey.

Nice that you used disease as an analogy.

Far right mentalists would be more like a mutant strain of the flu than yersinia pestis.  It's always there in the background and just once every few years it hits the headlines, kills a few people and the media blows it up out of all proportion before it fades away again.

Islam is like your normal strains of seasonal flu.  It's fucking everywhere, it kills regularly and racks up tens of thousands of victims every year but you hardly ever hear about it in the media apart from when you get sporadic outbreaks in western countries.

Oh and progressives are massively and creepily in favour of importing as many carriers as they can into europe for some unknown reason.

Sorry, I had you pegged as an Akkadian who would break out the apologetics as soon as someone pointed out that right-wingers the world over do the same shit. 

As for your analogy, I'd say it's more like one is smallpox and the other is ebola.  Two deadly diseases, but one should have completely been wiped out from the civilized world ages ago, it only persists because some ignorant cultists want an excuse for their paranoia and hate, and the people feeding them the latter want fame and money. 

The other still exists and is a problem, but Westerners only give half a rat's ass when it kills some of our own.  If you point out that it kills exponentially more people in the third world and propose that we find a way to help them, possibly by getting them out of an ebola-infected aprt of the world, you're labeled as an ebola lover.
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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2016, 06:39:09 pm »
Direct question Contrarian, given that the mass murderer in Nice drank beer and never went to mosque are you basing your assumption on his violent religious beliefs on his name alone?

Yes the Islamic State has claimed responsibility, they also claimed responsibility for the Orlando Nightclub Shooting which was orchestrated by an idiot who couldn't tell one Middle East faction from another and pledged allegiance to several who were fighting ISIS. Distinct possibility ISIS is opportunistic yet also full of shit and this is just another angry fuckwit who happens to have a middle eastern name.

Also both of these losers were residents of the countries in which the attacks happened and decidedly not refugees themselves, ruling out the refugee angle. Thank you very much.

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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2016, 09:13:38 pm »
Warning: typed while utterly wasted after a friend's birthday party. Even worse danger of typos and grammar mistakes than usual.

Gee. It seems someone made a prediction about the perpetrator:

That's the typical profile: someone whose life is fucked up and does not feel like he belongs to the society.

People like this are ticking time bombs. They will most probably do something violent at some point. Religious extremism gives them the excuse to relieve all the pressure they have accumulated in the most destructive way possible. Daesh/ISIS explicitly calls for lone wolf attacks to take advantage of people like this. The most effective way to prevent these incidents is to minimize the societal pressure these people feel. If you single mindedly attack only the religion ignoring the other influences you only make them push back even harder while alienating possible allies of the less extreme religious persuasion.

Fuck it. I'm going to hide behind my drunken state which makes it difficult to even type and hope my point comes through. Peace you fuckers.

Edited just because:

Concentrating on the other factors has also other beneficial effects. When you decrease the amount of people marginalized from the society you also decrease things like poverty, unemployment and criminality. It's a win-win scenario.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2016, 09:34:47 pm by SCarpelan »

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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2016, 12:46:07 pm »
Direct question Contrarian, given that the mass murderer in Nice drank beer and never went to mosque are you basing your assumption on his violent religious beliefs on his name alone?

I know plenty of scotsmen who can't stand bagpipe music and even one or two who aren't ginger.

Sorry what were you saying again?

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In the days before the attack, Lahouaiej-Bouhlel let his beard grow[11] and told people "the meaning of this beard is religious." French authorities stated that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel showed a passion for religion only recently;[12][13] "Mohamed only started visiting a mosque in April," a witness stated.[14] French investigator François Mulins stated "Bouhlel had expressed support for the Islamic State."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Lahouaiej-Bouhlel

#notallscotsmen

PS - you can whinge about using wikipedia, but it's sourced, it's quick and it's all that's needed to shove your badly disguised little fallacy back where it came from.
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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2016, 04:27:40 pm »
Satisfied with his post-facto justification of his early prejudice Contrarian moves on to bigger and more contrary things.

Like the amusing notion that their are Scotsman out there who'd give him the time of day, or not want to vote out of the UK on the sole basis that he's in it.

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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2016, 04:44:09 pm »
Satisfied with his post-facto justification of his early prejudice Contrarian moves on to bigger and more contrary things.

Like the amusing notion that their are Scotsman out there who'd give him the time of day, or not want to vote out of the UK on the sole basis that he's in it.

Or trying to swiftly backpedal from the fact you tried to use the most infantile logical fallacy of the lot and got called on it.

Or are you now claiming that scotsmen who consort with me are literally not true scotsmen.  You're getting into fucking fallacyception here...

Btw, "their" is a possessive.  The word you're looking for is "there".

Proofread, it's not difficult.
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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2016, 06:11:00 pm »
Proofread, it's not difficult.

Your, not worth the effort, troll.

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Re: Attack in Nice
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2016, 07:49:22 pm »
Yes, yes Conty. The timing of your response was telling. Go and sing about the glories of old England and Bitter Celts with your Really Absolutely  True Scotchman pals now.