Germany to allow third-gender on birth certificates

[starseeker]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24767225

Germany is to allow babies born with an indeterminate gender to be registered as X on their birth certificates rather than M or F so their parents don't feel pressured into assigning them a gender through surgery immediatly.

I just hope that other European countries can follow suit, though the article does mention there may be issues with marriage laws when the kids grow up.

[Raymond Dullaghy]

To be honest, I didn't know intersex (that's the correct term, right?) people exist until college Cultural Diversity (i.e. social justice) class, or about any sort of prejudice against them. It's nice that Germany is doing something for them.

[Ironchew]

To be honest, I didn't know intersex (that's the correct term, right?) people exist until college Cultural Diversity (i.e. social justice) class, or about any sort of prejudice against them. It's nice that Germany is doing something for them.

Sex (whether male/female or intersex) is a biological characteristic and is obvious from birth. Gender is a social construct that only manifests later.

[Sigmaleph]

To be honest, I didn't know intersex (that's the correct term, right?) people exist until college Cultural Diversity (i.e. social justice) class, or about any sort of prejudice against them. It's nice that Germany is doing something for them.

Sex (whether male/female or intersex) is a biological characteristic and is obvious from birth. Gender is a social construct that only manifests later.

Being intersex is not obvious from birth, in the general case. (e.g. CAIS)


Somewhat more on topic: while a step in the right direction, it'd be much simpler to just do away with the notion of legal gender.

[kefkaownsall]

But gods will

[Witchyjoshy]

To be honest, I didn't know intersex (that's the correct term, right?) people exist until college Cultural Diversity (i.e. social justice) class, or about any sort of prejudice against them. It's nice that Germany is doing something for them.

Sex (whether male/female or intersex) is a biological characteristic and is obvious from birth. Gender is a social construct that only manifests later.

*facepalms*

[Ironchew]

To be honest, I didn't know intersex (that's the correct term, right?) people exist until college Cultural Diversity (i.e. social justice) class, or about any sort of prejudice against them. It's nice that Germany is doing something for them.

Sex (whether male/female or intersex) is a biological characteristic and is obvious from birth. Gender is a social construct that only manifests later.

*facepalms*

So...what was your point? There is a clear difference between sex and gender; one is genetic and the other is acquired (along with gender roles) from society. I don't see a big controversy there.

[Witchyjoshy]

Probably because you've got the definition of gender entirely wrong?

What you are describing is "Gender roles".  Gender roles are something entirely different from gender.

[Ironchew]

In the engineering and cabling terminology sense, sure, I will concede that gender is an immutable characteristic.

In human society, it doesn't explain why certain genders exist in some cultures and not others.

[Old Viking]

The difference between sex and gender is, you can engage in sex ...

[Raymond Dullaghy]

Now I'm confused. Does this proposal apply to people that are biologically intersexual or psychosocially intersexual?

[Witchyjoshy]

In human society, it doesn't explain why certain genders exist in some cultures and not others.

It's more like certain cultures are more close-minded about gender than others.

[Askold]

This option was put for biologically intersexual babies. I don't know if it will be possible for adults to change their own ID.

[Shane for Wax]

From what I understand, it is for those who are biologically/genetically intersex.

Which, regardless of what is used in social justice circles that people seem to have latched onto, does exist in a medical way.

Intersex as used in this instance includes those that people call 'hermaphrodites' as well as those who have xxy genes (Klinefelter Syndrome) and other such chromosomal conditions.

Now stop being silly about gender.

[MadCatTLX]

In the engineering and cabling terminology sense, sure, I will concede that gender is an immutable characteristic.

In human society, it doesn't explain why certain genders exist in some cultures and not others.

I'm not sure if it's your wording of it or your intended meaning that's crazy. Can you please show which culture has the genders of male, female, flargan, and dingle?