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Title: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 28, 2013, 11:33:26 pm
If this is not the right place to post this, please move it to the correct place for me.

I was just wondering who on this site are Christians, theist or believers and what your purpose for coming here is. In the past I've made the mistake of assuming everyone here is an atheist due to the nature of the site. However, I'm wondering if there are people here who are actually believers, they just don't agree with a certain type of Christianity.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Alehksunos on May 28, 2013, 11:41:32 pm
For starters, there is SpaceProg. He's a pretty cool guy, even though I'm not a big fan of Doctor Who (though I'm not entirely hostile towards the show like the circles of Tumblr I usually hang around with) and especially not NASCAR Racing (sorry Prog, but ugh!).

And there is also Askold, who is also a cool guy. Bonus points for being one of the few Finnish members of the site (don't ask me why, I think they're cool people. Most of them, because as of lately, the country is sliding into darkness).
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: ironbite on May 28, 2013, 11:42:03 pm
Heh....he he.....EHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!

Ironbite-this shall be enjoyable
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 28, 2013, 11:50:53 pm
Oh wow, we're really going back to the past here.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: syaoranvee on May 28, 2013, 11:54:20 pm
I was about to say "Dragon-Check" but it sounds like this guy has history here.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 28, 2013, 11:59:14 pm
I was about to say "Dragon-Check" but it sounds like this guy has history here.
Maybe it is Dynamic Dragon posing as a known troll.

Conspirisu!
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 29, 2013, 12:21:07 am
Just so everyone knows, it really is me.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: SpaceProg on May 29, 2013, 12:31:52 am
*Raises hand*  Hi.  I'm SP (SpaceProg, Prog, whatever).  Alehksu up there mentioned me.  I came here because the people seemed able to think for themselves and weren't so monogamous as some places I've been to regarding religion or worldviews.  I don't try to convert anyone or anything because I think that actions speak louder than words, and hell I'm sure every atheist here has heard it all before.  I don't believe it's my place to place judgement on anyone or to say if X or X or Y is going to hell or not.  I'm not even sure there IS a hell at least in the eternal torment sense. 
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: JohnE on May 29, 2013, 12:47:35 am
You may remember Sandman, one of our longest-standing and most respected forum members. He was a christian, a teacher at a christan school, and an amazing person. I used to call him the heart and soul of the forum. Sadly, he has since passed away.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 29, 2013, 12:50:46 am
Well, I'm a Deist, does that count?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 29, 2013, 12:52:29 am
I do remember him, that is very sad news.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: SpaceProg on May 29, 2013, 12:56:11 am
Damn that cancer.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 29, 2013, 01:00:34 am
This has nothing to really do with anything I posted SpaceProg, but I just recently got into watching Dr. Who. I'm on the 2nd season of the new TV show now. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: SpaceProg on May 29, 2013, 01:04:01 am
Glad you like it, Chris. :)
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 29, 2013, 01:17:44 am
Hm... sure, I'll play along.

I'm an agnostic theist.  I don't believe for an absolute fact that deities exist, but I am inclined to say "yes, they do, most or all of them, but they don't hold nearly the amount of sway over the world that their believers believe they do."

As far as actual worship goes, I haven't really felt any particular calling aside from a few tugs here and there.  I used to be a Christian, but... let's just say that the less said about that the better.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Askold on May 29, 2013, 02:35:05 am
Yeah, I'm a christian.

I think that the main reasons why people like Prog and I have gotten along with the rest of the forumites is that we don't preach our beliefs. In fact if you look at the threads you will see that it if very rare for anyone to push their beliefs on this forum. It's not the point of the mainpage of the forum.

There is occasionally discussion of beliefs but very rarely. Political talk is more common.

In general religion or lack of, is a touchy matter and easily leads to arguments. This is a shame since it is an interesting subject.

Also, I am still freaked out that someone would even jokingly call me cool.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Random Gal on May 29, 2013, 06:08:34 am
I'm a Christian as well. I believe in the central concepts of Christianity where God and salvation are concerned, but I don't take part in the surrounding absurd beliefs that:

All scientific evidence must be ignored if it contradicts what one already believes.
Being attracted to one's own gender is some kind of crime against nature.
etc.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: wrightway on May 29, 2013, 09:17:42 am
I was a Christian, but I realized I was in it for all the wrong reasons. My family was slightly nicer to me when I was attending church with them. Not enough, though, to make denying every other aspect of myself worth while.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Distind on May 29, 2013, 09:19:14 am
I was about to say "Dragon-Check" but it sounds like this guy has history here.
Maybe it is Dynamic Dragon posing as a known troll.

Conspirisu!
He'd have to be going through a fair bit of work based on what I see, so probably not.

Just so everyone knows, it really is me.
Hey there, been a while. Looks like someone beat me to the punch on mentioning Sandman. There's only a handful of people I can say I honestly fully respect, but he was one of them.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: RinellaWasHere on May 29, 2013, 10:07:10 am
*raises hand*

Roman Catholic.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 29, 2013, 07:37:21 pm
This has nothing to really do with anything I posted SpaceProg, but I just recently got into watching Dr. Who. I'm on the 2nd season of the new TV show now. Good stuff.

Glad to hear. And I'm sure you're aware all of us who know of you are watching you closely.

In the spirit of the topic: I was baptized and had my first communion. We hopped from Catholicism and moved around to Presbyterian and the like. My dad's somewhat of an atheist now, and I'm the dirty pagan. My mum's Christian but I dunno what denomination she ascribes to now.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Lithp on May 29, 2013, 11:11:01 pm
You seem vaguely familiar.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 29, 2013, 11:48:01 pm
This has nothing to really do with anything I posted SpaceProg, but I just recently got into watching Dr. Who. I'm on the 2nd season of the new TV show now. Good stuff.

Glad to hear. And I'm sure you're aware all of us who know of you are watching you closely.

In the spirit of the topic: I was baptized and had my first communion. We hopped from Catholicism and moved around to Presbyterian and the like. My dad's somewhat of an atheist now, and I'm the dirty pagan. My mum's Christian but I dunno what denomination she ascribes to now.

I expect that, though I think you'll find me a lot different now. At least I hope so. I thought I was banned from here but being years ago I don't really remember. Though I did have to sign up, I was kind of surprised I was able to use my old name.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: ironbite on May 30, 2013, 01:04:41 am
Why would anyone want to imitate you just to ban you?

Ironbite-that's....that's some egotism there.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: JohnE on May 30, 2013, 01:11:01 am
I think the confusion is that we've switched servers at least once or twice since the last time Chris was here. His ban must not have carried over.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Shane for Wax on May 30, 2013, 01:36:30 am
I think the confusion is that we've switched servers at least once or twice since the last time Chris was here. His ban must not have carried over.

Bans were "forgiven" when we moved to these forums. That is why Chris could sign up again and why nothing will be done to him now unless he breaks the rules.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: SpaceProg on May 30, 2013, 02:11:42 am
Guess I missed yet another bit of FSTDT Forum drama.  I'm intrigued, but I'm not going to ask for fear of tearing open scars.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Star Cluster on May 30, 2013, 11:40:30 am
This has nothing to really do with anything I posted SpaceProg, but I just recently got into watching Dr. Who. I'm on the 2nd season of the new TV show now. Good stuff.

Glad to hear. And I'm sure you're aware all of us who know of you are watching you closely.

In the spirit of the topic: I was baptized and had my first communion. We hopped from Catholicism and moved around to Presbyterian and the like. My dad's somewhat of an atheist now, and I'm the dirty pagan. My mum's Christian but I dunno what denomination she ascribes to now.

I expect that, though I think you'll find me a lot different now. At least I hope so. I thought I was banned from here but being years ago I don't really remember. Though I did have to sign up, I was kind of surprised I was able to use my old name.

Hi, Chris.  Been a while.  How you been?  Now that that's out of the way, I'm really interested to see just how you're "a lot different" that you were in the past.  This could get interesting.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 30, 2013, 01:48:02 pm
I guess I'm a little more mature, a little more laid back. My reason for coming here will always be the same, but my motives and action should reflect my change in attitude. Also, it's good to talk to you again. You are one of the people I remember from before.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Star Cluster on May 30, 2013, 03:12:27 pm
Okay, we'll see if that's the case.  If you recall, we butted heads a few times as well as you with several other forum members.  I'd like to think that although we disagree on philosophically we can now have some civil discourse.  I have my hopes, but, honestly, my expectations are not as strong considering the past.  It's up to you.

The biggest thing you have to remember is that this site, especially the main page, is not here to disparage all religion or all believers of any religion.  As has already been pointed out, we have quite a number of religious members here, although that doesn't necessarily mean Christian.  It's main purpose is to display, have a good laugh at, and/or refute some of the more outlandish, nonsensical, or outright incorrect things that some of the fundiest amongst us utter.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 30, 2013, 09:20:15 pm
I Believe when I first found this site, I was upset about it. Offended even, that people I didn't even know, and didn't know me but from a forum on the Internet, had formed such a negative opinion of me. Now I can see that most of you don't really mean to offended at first. I get the point of the site, it's a good laugh. However it's a laugh at other peoples expense. I don't want to judge anyone, just want to point out my thoughts and let you decide for yourselves. I picture it as you aren't laughing with us, but laughing at us. That makes people uncomfortable. it'd be like starting a site called retards say the darnedest things and making fun of handicapped people. Some people find it offensive. Others think people are just being too uptight. I just want to maybe show a different side of looking at it, and possibly it could help explain some of the more hostile conversations that have taken place here. Not just with me, but others as well.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: davedan on May 30, 2013, 09:22:53 pm
So are you accepting that Fundamentalists are 'Differently Abled'?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Sleepy on May 30, 2013, 09:37:12 pm
I don't see anything wrong with laughing at fundamentalists. You make it sound like we're laughing at Christians, just for a belief in a god. No, we're mocking fundies' insane beliefs.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: QueenofHearts on May 30, 2013, 09:42:56 pm
I think the confusion is that we've switched servers at least once or twice since the last time Chris was here. His ban must not have carried over.

Bans were "forgiven" when we moved to these forums. That is why Chris could sign up again and why nothing will be done to him now unless he breaks the rules.

If I recall, he wasn't even on the refugee board. He left right before Yahweh's attempt to burn FSTDT to the ground and the subsequent revival of the board.

Many years ago...
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: R. U. Sirius on May 30, 2013, 09:43:16 pm
The difference between the mentally handicapped and fundamentalists of ANY stripe (religious, atheist, political, what have you) is that the fundamentalist CHOOSES to believe what they believe. I know that many are raised with their beliefs from childhood, which can affect their later ability to examine other ways of thinking objectively, but, at least in the modern First World, they have access to more than ample resources to do their own research and come to their own decisions.

More than that, fundamentalists (at least the ones we mock here) tend to want to force other people to conform to their beliefs, willing or not. For an example of such thinking, watch the video "The Thaw", posted in this section of the board, along with the various threads that have videos refuting the claims made therein.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Lithp on May 30, 2013, 10:31:47 pm
It doesn't really bother me what the Fundies find offensive. Most of what will end up quoted on this site is something that I already find offensive. Gays are evil, atheism is evil, evolution is evil, Muslims are evil, etc. Besides, I'm already banned on Rapture Ready for asking Chris if he could please stop hounding me in every topic about accepting Jesus, & especially if he could stop using the deceased WinAce burning in Hell as his trump card. So, you know, it's like a vending machine. You put in offensive remarks & exclusion, you get back a specialized site dedicated to making fun of you.

Although I am assuming that, as you know there are Christians & other religious people on the site, you also know that the FSTDT archives are not limited to Christian or even religious quotes.

Seriously, though, do I know you?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 31, 2013, 12:57:50 am
Lithp I don't remember if I know you or not. Where do you think you know me from? It's possible I may have met you some place on the Internet I don't frequent anymore. Or even on here but it's been so long ago. I do remember certain people but I'm terrible with names.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on May 31, 2013, 01:12:04 am
I get what you guys are saying, and I realize you aren't trying to be offensive for the most part. It just seems like an awful lot of time and effort spent mocking others for their beliefs. No matter how rediculous you think they may be. There are a lot of bad people out their pretending to be Christian, I'm at least glad you try and make a distinction between Christian and Fundamentalist. However being that I believe much of the fundamental teachings it does pertain to me some of the time. Maybe it would help knowing to what end your site wishes to strive. I don't want to judge anyones motives because it's impossible for me to know them. I just think a little discourse won't do any harm.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: R. U. Sirius on May 31, 2013, 01:44:38 am
Chris-

In my not-always-humble opinion, there are only two fundamental rules that Jesus ever taught: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. These teachings permeate his parables and lessons. He never mentions anything about needing to profess a belief in him; he never says that people have to give up anything but their selfishness. The Good Samaritan never professes a belief in Jesus' divinity, yet he's held up in the story as an ideal for everyone to strive for. For historical context, the Samaritans were a sect that were feared and hated by mainstream Jews at the time; for Jesus to hold a Samaritan up as an example of ideal behavior would have shocked his audience.

Similarly, when the rich man's son asked, "What must I do to get to Heaven?" Jesus said, "Sell everything you own, give the money to the poor and follow me." Strict Biblical literalists have a lot of trouble with this passage, often claiming that Jesus was making a point about charity. I respectfully disagree; it's too simple for the deep, complex messages Jesus used his parables to convey. "The first shall be last, and the last, first." You want to find Heaven? Get over yourself. Stop worrying about what you want and look at everything the people around you lack. Do more than look: Help. The only thing wrong with having and enjoying luxury is when you let it blind you to the suffering around you.

The things that many Americans now consider fundamentals of Christianity are things that Jesus never spoke of, and indeed, wouldn't even recognize or would actively oppose. Opposition to homosexual rights, opposition to women's rights, opposition to governmental assistance for the needy, the myth of the "self-made man", enforcing Christianity as a state religion...the list goes on. Just on that last point, I have only one thing to say: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's." Additionally, the insistence on "justification through faith" is used as an excuse for all sorts of things that have demonstrable negative impacts on other people's lives. Every time Jesus speaks of judgement, he refers to judgement based on what a person DID, not what they believed.

I'm agnostic. I think the only afterlife we're guaranteed to have is the impact we leave on others; anything more is an unprovable hypothesis at this time. I'm not convinced Jesus existed as described in the Bible. I recognize that, while the teachings written in the Gospels were far ahead of their time, they were still very much a product of their time...would you honestly tell someone to visit a priest and have themselves anointed with oil in lieu of seeing a doctor? Or that women should only be considered in the light of how helpful they are to men? I draw inspiration and guidance from multiple different sources and traditions. But I consider myself a Christian in the same vein as the Good Samaritan...I try to help people however I can, even if it means a little immediate inconvenience. I'm far from perfect, but I don't have to be...I just try to make sure people have what they need and let the rest take care of itself.

As for the mocking and making fun...as Jesus showed when calling people out on their hypocrisy, what people often need most and want least is a swift kick in the ass to shake them out of their complacency. If this site could be said to have any higher purpose, I think that would be it. To shake people up, get them to think about what they've been taught, and make them DECIDE what they believe, rather than parroting what their parents or pastor say.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: JohnE on May 31, 2013, 01:51:16 am
It's not just about whether a belief is ridiculous or not. A ridiculous belief in and of itself deserves a chuckle, and little more. It's about people and organizations trying to push their ridiculous beliefs on everyone else, beliefs that in many cases are harmful to individuals and society, and the fact that those people and organizations actually have the political and social influence to make it happen. THAT deserves to be fought against tooth and nail. At least, that's how I see it.

(Again, as I see it,) we're not trying to be offensive, but neither are we trying to NOT be offensive. We don't care if you (or anyone else) is offended or not. IMO, "being offended" is one of the biggest red herrings in political/religious/social discussion. "I'm offended by this!" So what? Why should I care? Offense is entirely subjective and personal. It says a lot about the personal sensibilities of the person voicing offense, and very little about the object of their offense.

As for the the end the site is striving for? I'd say the end of religious (and other forms of) fundamentalism/extremism, but we're all realistic enough to know that our little site isn't even going to make a dent. So realistically, we're here to get a good laugh at the expense of fundies, help keep each other informed about fundie-related news, and hang out with like-minded* folks that we've become friends with.

* By "like-minded" I don't mean that we're all exactly alike. We're actually pretty diverse.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: wrightway on May 31, 2013, 01:55:08 am
Did it ever occur to you that the people who have been hurt, tormented, even tortured by fundamentalist flavored Christianity need some cathartic release? That people who have been harmed by a religion that is little more than a warmed over version of the epic of Gilgamesh with liberal plagiarism from the best the Greeks and Egyptians had to offer might be a tad miffed?

Not to mention that Christianity isn't the only religion, or even group, that has their fundies mocked on here. It's just the one with the biggest persecution complex.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 31, 2013, 01:56:10 am
Hell, we mock the odd atheist fundie when we can.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Lithp on May 31, 2013, 04:19:24 am
I'm not sure, but I feel like it would have either been RR or here.

If you ask me, either every Christian is faking it, or being Christian constitutes a diverse amount of viewpoints, & being an asshole aligns with some of them quite easily. Because there really isn't anyone who follows the Bible 100% to the letter. Even the Fundamentalists who are ardently against gays, sex before marriage, alcohol, etc. ultimately pick-&-choose what verses to follow.

As for the site, I don't know why it should have an ultimate end. Like most forums, it exists for multiple reasons. Humor, sociability, philosophy, news, & more, along with what everyone else already mentioned. It has changed ownership multiple times, & has often had members fight, or even quit. There is a very small overlap between users who use the archives & users who use the forums, & it is possible for anyone to suggest a quote, regardless of whether or not they contribute to the site. So I would go as far as to say that it's not even possible for it to have some final goal, & even what is defined as "Fundie" has changed at least slightly over the years.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 31, 2013, 02:33:22 pm
Maybe it would help knowing to what end your site wishes to strive
"The end the site strives for" is pretty ambiguous. Is it the purpose of the founder? The purpose of the current owner? The purpose of the majority of the users, or of each user individually?

Personally, I came to the mainpage for laughs, then stayed in the forums because I like the people here.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: QueenofHearts on May 31, 2013, 02:59:29 pm
Maybe it would help knowing to what end your site wishes to strive
"The end the site strives for" is pretty ambiguous. Is it the purpose of the founder? The purpose of the current owner? The purpose of the majority of the users, or of each user individually?

Personally, I came to the mainpage for laughs, then stayed in the forums because I like the people here.

Ditto, except I don't even go to the mainpage that often anymore. Over the years all the nuttiness just kind of blurs together and you get desensitized.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on May 31, 2013, 04:36:21 pm
My girlfriend's on this site, and she's Episcopalian.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Emperor Maximilian on June 02, 2013, 04:36:02 pm
My girlfriend's on this site, and she's Episcopalian.
I'm Episcopalian too.  I consider myself a pretty religious guy, but fundies irk me.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: kiwimac on June 02, 2013, 10:26:21 pm
And I'm around from time to time as well.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Rime on June 03, 2013, 06:29:05 pm
Well.  Last I checked, your CF profile had said "Science = God of Atheism"  It appears that you've mellowed out some (to my profound surprise), and I certainly hope it continues that there can be a dialogue as opposed to your previous reputation of trying to convert everybody to Christianity in a manner that pleases you, essentially being our High Priest where you dictate the wisdom and we all applaud. 

It's different than CF, for that the religious demographics are mostly shades of non-belief but they vary the same way from "Get rid of religion and most of our problems would vanish overnight" to "cool, you believe that, it's okay, I don't but I won't take a single thing about someone and make it the only thing."

Anyway, you asked what purpose this site served, I can't say for everyone, but it was a showcase of how you can use or defend religion to the point where people demonstrate that the people quoted look more like the High Priests that had your Savior executed than the renegade rabbi who sought to turn religion from a pair of shackles to a tool to sow a better mentality.  Leave it to people, though, to go right back to the way things were because it's so easy to turn it into a big game about who's getting the seat closest to Jesus.

To be clear, though, I've got problems with people on the mainpage who reply DIAF according to the Holy Gospel of Dawkins.   Sometimes I wished it was like when Allan was running the show and there wasn't a comments section.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Stormwarden on June 04, 2013, 12:36:28 am
Well, I can't really speak for the Christians here, being nonreligious myself, but I think I can speak for most people here when I say that we have no problem with religion usually. Just the ones who abuse it (or the lack thereof) for their own ends. Let's be honest, not many people are gonna cry if Ronald E. Williams ends up playing in the six-lane.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on June 05, 2013, 02:07:57 pm
Chris-

In my not-always-humble opinion, there are only two fundamental rules that Jesus ever taught: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. These teachings permeate his parables and lessons. He never mentions anything about needing to profess a belief in him; he never says that people have to give up anything but their selfishness. The Good Samaritan never professes a belief in Jesus' divinity, yet he's held up in the story as an ideal for everyone to strive for. For historical context, the Samaritans were a sect that were feared and hated by mainstream Jews at the time; for Jesus to hold a Samaritan up as an example of ideal behavior would have shocked his audience.

Similarly, when the rich man's son asked, "What must I do to get to Heaven?" Jesus said, "Sell everything you own, give the money to the poor and follow me." Strict Biblical literalists have a lot of trouble with this passage, often claiming that Jesus was making a point about charity. I respectfully disagree; it's too simple for the deep, complex messages Jesus used his parables to convey. "The first shall be last, and the last, first." You want to find Heaven? Get over yourself. Stop worrying about what you want and look at everything the people around you lack. Do more than look: Help. The only thing wrong with having and enjoying luxury is when you let it blind you to the suffering around you.

The things that many Americans now consider fundamentals of Christianity are things that Jesus never spoke of, and indeed, wouldn't even recognize or would actively oppose. Opposition to homosexual rights, opposition to women's rights, opposition to governmental assistance for the needy, the myth of the "self-made man", enforcing Christianity as a state religion...the list goes on. Just on that last point, I have only one thing to say: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's." Additionally, the insistence on "justification through faith" is used as an excuse for all sorts of things that have demonstrable negative impacts on other people's lives. Every time Jesus speaks of judgement, he refers to judgement based on what a person DID, not what they believed.

I'm agnostic. I think the only afterlife we're guaranteed to have is the impact we leave on others; anything more is an unprovable hypothesis at this time. I'm not convinced Jesus existed as described in the Bible. I recognize that, while the teachings written in the Gospels were far ahead of their time, they were still very much a product of their time...would you honestly tell someone to visit a priest and have themselves anointed with oil in lieu of seeing a doctor? Or that women should only be considered in the light of how helpful they are to men? I draw inspiration and guidance from multiple different sources and traditions. But I consider myself a Christian in the same vein as the Good Samaritan...I try to help people however I can, even if it means a little immediate inconvenience. I'm far from perfect, but I don't have to be...I just try to make sure people have what they need and let the rest take care of itself.

As for the mocking and making fun...as Jesus showed when calling people out on their hypocrisy, what people often need most and want least is a swift kick in the ass to shake them out of their complacency. If this site could be said to have any higher purpose, I think that would be it. To shake people up, get them to think about what they've been taught, and make them DECIDE what they believe, rather than parroting what their parents or pastor say.

You made a lot of statements about several different things I'd like to talk with you about. Would you be ok with me starting a new thread to discuss just one issue at a time with you? I feel if we focus on one it will be much better than trying to have 3 or 4 different conversations at the same time. If so which point that you made would you like to discuss first?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: R. U. Sirius on June 05, 2013, 03:16:12 pm
I'm okay with it. Just don't be surprised if other people chime in. We can start wherever you like.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Lithp on June 05, 2013, 04:43:30 pm
PMs? What the fuck are those?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: QueenofHearts on June 05, 2013, 04:55:03 pm
PMs? What the fuck are those?

Lithp, you so silly!
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on June 05, 2013, 05:01:04 pm
PMs? What the fuck are those?

I'd like to do it publicly, so others can also join in on the debate.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Lithp on June 05, 2013, 07:06:01 pm
Lithp? Who the fuck is that? Public? What the fuck is that?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: ironbite on June 05, 2013, 07:32:06 pm
Magnets?  How do they work?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: SpaceProg on June 06, 2013, 01:42:55 am
Tides come in, tides go out.  DUH.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Askold on June 06, 2013, 02:35:29 am
Magnets?  How do they work?

Well... Each magnet has a "north pole" and a "south pole," these two are REALLY attracted to each other. So much in fath that whenever you bring a N-pole anywhere near an S-pole they are like "OMG I love that dude I WANNA HAVE YOUR BABIES!" and then they just glomp and never want to let go.

But if you try to put two N-poles or two S-poles together they are like "What the Murgelgloop!? That is an N-pole, but I thought I was the N-pole! THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!" They simply cannot comprehend the situation and that is why two similar poles repel each other.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2013, 01:28:51 pm
Are you suggesting there are no gay magnets?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: mellenORL on June 06, 2013, 08:02:45 pm
Electro magnets are fabulous....they can be AC or DC, ya know? bwahahahaha!
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 06, 2013, 08:42:21 pm
I'm tempted to say "Fuck electromagnets", but that's mostly because I have to submit a lab report on the magnetic field of a solenoid and the device used for measurement was shit, meaning that most likely I'll be spending a decent part of the weekend trying to argue that my crap results are not as crap as they actually are.

Science!

What was this thread about, again?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: MadmanJohnson on June 17, 2013, 09:40:02 pm
I'm starting to think BCF needs a taste of my true form....but I digress.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: QueenofHearts on June 20, 2013, 08:51:39 pm
I'm starting to think BCF needs a taste of my true form....but I digress.

uhhhmmmmmmm..... "true form??"
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: JohnE on June 21, 2013, 02:00:45 am
Where'd Chris go, anyway?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: SpaceProg on June 21, 2013, 04:20:43 pm
I'm starting to think BCF needs a taste of my true form....but I digress.

uhhhmmmmmmm..... "true form??"

YOU CANNOT GRASP THE COMPLEXITY OF MADMAN JOHNSON'S TRUE FORM

I think it's time for Paula to pray.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: QueenofHearts on June 21, 2013, 04:26:08 pm
YOU CANNOT GRASP THE COMPLEXITY OF MADMAN JOHNSON'S TRUE FORM

I think it's time for Paula to pray.

Rain is pretty. :)
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: SpaceProg on June 21, 2013, 05:32:39 pm
Yes it is, isn't it?
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Rime on June 21, 2013, 08:16:52 pm
Where'd Chris go, anyway?

If I didn't know any better, he's done with his slumming gig and trying to implore people not to judge Jesus because fundies.  Still, it's miles over what I remember.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: Star Cluster on June 22, 2013, 07:24:47 am
Where'd Chris go, anyway?

If I didn't know any better, he's done with his slumming gig and trying to implore people not to judge Jesus because fundies.  Still, it's miles over what I remember.

I agree.  This was a far different Chris than what we knew from years past.  But for some reason, I was expecting him to go full blown nuclear BCF at any time.  I suppose old expectations die slowly.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: BigChrisfilm on June 26, 2013, 02:57:35 pm
I'm back, sorry I've been distracted with work and other things. Hopefully I can start reading and responding to your posts again.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: MadmanJohnson on June 27, 2013, 11:09:47 pm
Hehehe. Welcome to the forums, Chris. WHERE NO SHIT IS TOO MINOR.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: ironbite on June 27, 2013, 11:35:37 pm
Sit down boy.

Ironbite-gods you're embarrassing.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: MadmanJohnson on June 27, 2013, 11:44:32 pm
I know.
Title: Re: Christians on this site?
Post by: JohnE on June 28, 2013, 01:45:45 am
Hehehe. Welcome to the forums, Chris. WHERE NO SHIT IS TOO MINOR.
Pro-tip: Chris been on the forums a long time (on an off). If anything, he should be welcoming you. ;)