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Title: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: kefkaownsall on February 02, 2012, 10:42:13 pm
According to Alabama state senator McGill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGlk0qPY1_8&feature=g-all-a&list=PL0CE4882E334A667D&context=G2b5860cFAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Cataclysm on February 02, 2012, 10:43:45 pm
Like Cenk said, we should cut his salary so we know he's in it for the integrity.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Stormwarden on February 02, 2012, 10:58:29 pm
^I agree. I MIGHT abide that decision...if the politicians forfeit their paychecks so that we know they're being sincere, and aren't allowed to take any gifts from lobbyists or anyone else as long as they're in office.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: ironbite on February 02, 2012, 11:03:13 pm
OOOOOOOOOOOH!  Think I saw this article in my twitter feed.

Yep here it is. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/shadrack-mcgill-alabama-teacher-pay-bible_n_1247765.html)

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Someone alert the unions: raising teacher pay will actually make for worse teachers--according to one GOP lawmaker.

Alabama state Sen. Shadrack McGill said that increasing teacher pay is against "a biblical principle" because it might attract people who otherwise wouldn't do the job.

So....better pay means people who wouldn't otherwise teach will try to be teachers.  This moron is aware that to teach you have to have a degree right?  A fairly intensive degree?

Ironbite-right?
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: TheL on February 02, 2012, 11:18:19 pm
Um...I'd probably be angrier about this if that wasn't more than I make in a year.  In a state with a higher cost of living.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on February 03, 2012, 12:18:08 am
Maybe we should start paying doctors minimum wage then. Because the only ones who want to do it would do it!
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Cataclysm on February 03, 2012, 12:21:10 am
But then we couldn't sue them for tens of thousands of dollars.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Cataclysm on February 03, 2012, 12:21:27 am
But then we couldn't sue them for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: MaybeNever on February 03, 2012, 12:29:39 am
Does... does he not realize that this is very foundation of supply and demand?
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: booley on February 03, 2012, 12:37:33 am
OOOOOOOOOOOH!  Think I saw this article in my twitter feed.

Yep here it is. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/shadrack-mcgill-alabama-teacher-pay-bible_n_1247765.html)

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Someone alert the unions: raising teacher pay will actually make for worse teachers--according to one GOP lawmaker.

Alabama state Sen. Shadrack McGill said that increasing teacher pay is against "a biblical principle" because it might attract people who otherwise wouldn't do the job.

So....better pay means people who wouldn't otherwise teach will try to be teachers.  This moron is aware that to teach you have to have a degree right?  A fairly intensive degree?

Ironbite-right?

Wait a minute, couldn't one make the same argument with CEOs who make a 10,000 times what the average teacher makes and does less for society?
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 03, 2012, 12:42:44 am
Are you fucking kidding me?
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Eniliad on February 03, 2012, 12:43:00 am
This is such bullshit. Teachers don't get paid enough in my opinion. This nonsense about cutting their salary will only discourage people from wanting to be teachers.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Sylvana on February 03, 2012, 01:35:48 am
This is such bullshit. Teachers don't get paid enough in my opinion. This nonsense about cutting their salary will only discourage people from wanting to be teachers.

Current teaching salaries are one of the reasons why there is a general shortage of qualified and capable teachers already. Making it less will actually force some teachers to quit just to find another job that pays enough to live on. Paying teachers more would greatly encourage people to become teachers, even people who would not normally have done so. This is a good thing. To be honest, a nation can pretty much never have too many teachers. Education is just too important.

I personally think that all public servants should effectively get the same salary, especially for politicians. Then police, nurse and teaching salaries will go up as the politicians that generally rake in millions will actually have incentive to raise their pay. Really it pisses me off to no end knowing that an elected official will do less for a country than a police officer or teacher of 20 years, but make more in their short term than those public servants will make in their lives.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: Random Gal on February 03, 2012, 04:12:40 am
Personally, I think allowing Congress to regulate its own pay was a terrible decision to begin with.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: StallChaser on February 03, 2012, 04:53:19 am
We have to give the super rich exorbitant pay to attract the "best and brightest" and motivate them to rise to the top.

Except teachers, because fuck 'em, that's why.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: TheL on February 03, 2012, 06:53:00 am
This is such bullshit. Teachers don't get paid enough in my opinion. This nonsense about cutting their salary will only discourage people from wanting to be teachers.

On the flip side, some people want to be teachers for entirely the wrong reasons (pedophilia, ephebophilia, desire to control others), but strict codes of conduct when earning one's certification tend to mitigate this aspect quite a bit.

The sad thing is, you get an education, jump through all sorts of hoops to get the job, and then you're worked as hard and paid roughly as much as the manager at your local shoe store.
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: kefkaownsall on February 03, 2012, 07:14:47 am
That is the other problem
most jobs that make 39 k do not require overpriced masters degrees
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: TheL on February 03, 2012, 07:46:19 am
Um...I work at a career college (transitioning to non-profit), and I make $32500/yr.  Full-time.[/i]
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: e13 on February 03, 2012, 08:05:51 am
Um...I work at a career college (transitioning to non-profit), and I make $32500/yr.  Full-time.[/i]
Man you're overpaid. Contribute your fair share while I go for a ride on my motherfucking boat!
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: kefkaownsall on February 03, 2012, 08:06:06 am
Um...I work at a career college (transitioning to non-profit), and I make $32500/yr.  Full-time.[/i]
Ouch *hugs*
point is this guy is stupid
Title: Re: God wants to not pay teachers (not sure if right board)
Post by: N. De Plume on February 03, 2012, 09:49:57 am
^I agree. I MIGHT abide that decision...if the politicians forfeit their paychecks so that we know they're being sincere, and aren't allowed to take any gifts from lobbyists or anyone else as long as they're in office.
You know, I heard that this was once put forth as an idea for the President of the U.S. back when they were deciding these things. The idea was rejected because they realized that meant only the independently wealthy would be able to take office.

220 years later… Yeah, only the wealthy can take office.

Pro-tip, Mr. McGill: even the best teacher in the world has to eat.