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Sherlock 2
« on: January 16, 2012, 12:11:17 am »
THIS thread's about the movie!

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 12:18:10 am »
First was one better than the sequel.
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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 12:39:14 am »
I'm torn on that.

Game of Shadows was a lot more straightforward & lost some of the theatrics, but on the other hand, Moriyarti was way more competent than Blackwood.

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 02:18:43 am »
I liked Moriarty better than Blackwood, and I like the setup of this one. 'Twas better.

But killing off Irene and throwing Mary off the train was such a ridiculous cop-out clearly designed to add as much slash as possible.

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 10:17:19 am »
Did not like it. The whole section based in the artillery town in Germany pissed me off. Also, of course no one has ever died from jumping off a cliff/waterfall/etc.

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 10:58:39 pm »
I liked how they subverted the slow-mo fight planning gimmick from the first one.

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 11:48:28 pm »
Twise!

I liked Moriarty better than Blackwood, and I like the setup of this one. 'Twas better.

But killing off Irene and throwing Mary off the train was such a ridiculous cop-out clearly designed to add as much slash as possible.

Irene was a minor character, and we wouldn't have expected Moriarty to let her live since she's crushing on Holmes. Mary wasn't really important with the action.
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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2012, 03:27:18 am »
I agree with Mary, it would just be character derailment to turn her into an Action Girl. However, Irene was not a minor character. She was the female lead from the first movie. By definition, she was minor in the second film, but the death scene MADE her a minor character, she wasn't killed because she was a minor character.

As for a canon justification, there's really very little besides to show that Moriyarti was a total asshole. What was he afraid of? Her not doing her job properly? Fire her. Her helping Holmes to stop him? Does that really justify letting dozens of people in on his murder plot?

I do like that they killed off a major character (which obviously would have to be Irene), but I would have preferred it to happen later.

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 07:34:36 pm »
Anyone else notice the crates labeled H1n1 in the arms factory???

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 09:31:32 pm »
I agree with Mary, it would just be character derailment to turn her into an Action Girl. However, Irene was not a minor character. She was the female lead from the first movie. By definition, she was minor in the second film, but the death scene MADE her a minor character, she wasn't killed because she was a minor character.


Sorry I meant in the Short stories.
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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 09:50:05 pm »
Ah. I had heard she got an expanded role for the film.

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 11:07:21 pm »
Anyone notice the HILARIOUS Graham Greene joke?

Something like "Who would have thought that a holiday to Brighton could be dangerous?"

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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 11:15:15 pm »
Sherlock 2 wasn't a perfect movie by a long stretch, but I had a blast watching it. The only thing that really stuck in my craw though was the very very last scene - it only works from that one specific angle, and so wouldn't fool the characters in the scene (just the audience).
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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2012, 12:52:37 am »
Also, what happened to the remote-controller thing from the first film?
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Re: Sherlock 2
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 01:27:43 am »
Also, what happened to the remote-controller thing from the first film?

My favourite theory is that either it was to be used in a later phase or it was to be used in a backup plan.

I liked the movie although having served as artillery spotter the cannon scene did hurt.

It was probably the most unrealistic use of cannon that I have seen in an live-action movie.

But otherwise it was a great movie.
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